It’s Time to Own Trump

 

He’s our President and many good things will come from his administration despite his verbal cholera. Sure there are problems but the positives outweigh the negatives by far. I’m taking a break from politics. Too many crooks and haters not serving anything but themselves. Too much hate in the world and too much sensitivity in me to think about the impeach/assassinate crowd and where that all goes.

I’m off to shoot an elk at the end of next month and my Weatherby 300 is reliably hitting a pie plate at 500 yards. See you folks after I kill God’s creatures.

Best of luck and happiness to all the Rico crowd, old and new.

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  1. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):

    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):

    Did you eat it? Or does one just take the hide for a rug or something?

    Why not both? As I understand it, bear is edible unless it’s been hibernating. Apparently because they don’t excrete during hibernation the meat becomes toxic.

    Edit: But hunting a hibernating animal is kind of a douchey thing to do.

    Sort of like sitting ducks.

    Black bear is edible.  I like it.  Brown bear is not.  Some people eat the loin, but only if it is removed quickly and cooked immediately.  The rest is left for other bears or the wolves.

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  2. The Reticulator Member
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    Trinity Waters (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    He is the President at the moment, but our founders gave us the checks and balances to provide for his removal, including impeachment and the ratification of the 25th Amendment.

    We can have all of the positives with a President Pence, without the verbal and twitter incontinence of Trump.

    Boring.

    If deja vu is boring. Unfortunately, some of us have been around long enough to have learned from history. Gerald Ford was not really able to be President. His pardoning of Nixon was held against him every day.  If he hadn’t pardoned Nixon, the same people would have used him as a tool to exercise their Nixon hatred daily. The Democrats used Nixon’s impeachment to corrupt our budgetary process and to win the White House in 1976.

    Nixon was a bad president and deserved impeachment, but not as much as JFK and LBJ deserved impeachment before him, and not as much as a couple of our more recent presidents. I cheered on Nixon’s impeachment – had my class watch some of the Watergate hearings on teevee. It was probably a mistake. The reason Nixon was impeached was not because of his wrongdoing, but because the left/media had hated him with a burning fury since 1948, and because the Democrats controlled Congress, as they do now.

    Why anyone would want to go there again is a mystery.

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  3. Postmodern Hoplite Coolidge
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    DocJay: my Weatherby 300 is reliably hitting a pie plate at 500 yards.

    Now, now; I assume what you MEANT to say was, “and I am reliably hitting a pie plate at 500 yards with my Weatherby 300,” yes?

    Yup. That’ll do nicely for a one-shot kill in the heart-lungs of an elk. Good hunting, Doc!

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  4. profdlp Inactive
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    Doug Kimball (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    He is the President at the moment, but our founders gave us the checks and balances to provide for his removal, including impeachment and the ratification of the 25th Amendment.

    We can have all of the positives with a President Pence, without the verbal and twitter incontinence of Trump.

    Is that an echo I hear?

    PS:  Going to give bow season a try in six weeks, then back with the old 12 gauge when it gets cold out.

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  5. The Reticulator Member
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    Doug Kimball (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):

    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):

    Did you eat it? Or does one just take the hide for a rug or something?

    Why not both? As I understand it, bear is edible unless it’s been hibernating. Apparently because they don’t excrete during hibernation the meat becomes toxic.

    Edit: But hunting a hibernating animal is kind of a douchey thing to do.

    Sort of like sitting ducks.

    Black bear is edible. I like it. Brown bear is not. Some people eat the loin, but only if it is removed quickly and cooked immediately. The rest is left for other bears or the wolves.

    We ate this one, back in 1968.  Well, I was away at college and didn’t get to eat much of it myself, but the rest of the family did.

    One of Dad’s hunting buddies, probably the one who shot this bear, when asked what bear tasted like would reply, “About like dog.”

    It was edible, but nobody suggested getting any more when this one was all gone from the freezer.  One of my friends from college came home with me for Thanksgiving, swearing that he was not going to eat any bear meat. But Mom didn’t point out to him which meat was which, and he didn’t ask, so he did. He didn’t mind terribly, and he made a good story out of it.

    Dad ended up with it because his two buddies found themselves with three dead bears.  They shot two cubs, and then the sow bear came after them. The way they did it was probably not the most sporting thing to do, nor the smartest things they ever did. So they quickly had three bears, one over the legal limit, and gave one to Dad, who had been elsewhere in the woods.  I had always thought Dad ended up with the sow bear, and this one does look pretty big in the photo.  But his photo slide is labeled, “bear cub 11/16/68.”

    The other guys would ordinarily have eaten what they shot, too, but if this was not the sow bear I can’t guarantee that anybody ate that one.

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  6. The Reticulator Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    The reason Nixon was impeached was not because of his wrongdoing, but because the left/media had hated him with a burning fury since 1948, and because the Democrats controlled Congress, as they do now.

    OK, OK, he wasn’t really impeached. He resigned. He would have been impeached and convicted if he hadn’t.

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  7. Gary Robbins Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    He is the President at the moment, but our founders gave us the checks and balances to provide for his removal, including impeachment and the ratification of the 25th Amendment.

    We can have all of the positives with a President Pence, without the verbal and twitter incontinence of Trump.

    No, you can’t. Sorry.

    I think that this theory will be tested.

    Do you believe that our country was well served by President Ford?

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  8. Gary Robbins Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Trinity Waters (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    He is the President at the moment, but our founders gave us the checks and balances to provide for his removal, including impeachment and the ratification of the 25th Amendment.

    We can have all of the positives with a President Pence, without the verbal and twitter incontinence of Trump.

    Boring.

    If deja vu is boring. Unfortunately, some of us have been around long enough to have learned from history. Gerald Ford was not really able to be President. His pardoning of Nixon was held against him every day. If he hadn’t pardoned Nixon, the same people would have used him as a tool to exercise their Nixon hatred daily. The Democrats used Nixon’s impeachment to corrupt our budgetary process and to win the White House in 1976.

    Nixon was a bad president and deserved impeachment, but not as much as JFK and LBJ deserved impeachment before him, and not as much as a couple of our more recent presidents. I cheered on Nixon’s impeachment – had my class watch some of the Watergate hearings on teevee. It was probably a mistake. The reason Nixon was impeached was not because of his wrongdoing, but because the left/media had hated him with a burning fury since 1948, and because the Democrats controlled Congress, as they do now.

    Why anyone would want to go there again is a mystery.

    I think that Nixon was the master of self-control and probidity compared to Trump.

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  9. Gary Robbins Member
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    Son of Barsham (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Guruforhire (View Comment):
    If someone told me 2 years ago that:

    • Donald Trump would have more moral courage than any politician in my entire lifetime
    • that Mitt Romney would red card himself from civilization
    • and that South Carolina would lead the country in racial reconciliation

    I would have questioned your sanity.

    But here we are.

    On the flip side of a bizarro world where nothing makes any sense anymore, my toddler is trying oh so hard to say “toothpaste.”

    One out of three is a failing grade.

    Lucky for us you can’t seem to count.

    Nikki Haley was an absolute visionary for her leadership.  I hope that in a matter of months President Pence names her as his Vice President.

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  10. Martel Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Trinity Waters (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    He is the President at the moment, but our founders gave us the checks and balances to provide for his removal, including impeachment and the ratification of the 25th Amendment.

    We can have all of the positives with a President Pence, without the verbal and twitter incontinence of Trump.

    Boring.

    If deja vu is boring. Unfortunately, some of us have been around long enough to have learned from history. Gerald Ford was not really able to be President. His pardoning of Nixon was held against him every day. If he hadn’t pardoned Nixon, the same people would have used him as a tool to exercise their Nixon hatred daily. The Democrats used Nixon’s impeachment to corrupt our budgetary process and to win the White House in 1976.

    Nixon was a bad president and deserved impeachment, but not as much as JFK and LBJ deserved impeachment before him, and not as much as a couple of our more recent presidents. I cheered on Nixon’s impeachment – had my class watch some of the Watergate hearings on teevee. It was probably a mistake. The reason Nixon was impeached was not because of his wrongdoing, but because the left/media had hated him with a burning fury since 1948, and because the Democrats controlled Congress, as they do now.

    Why anyone would want to go there again is a mystery.

    Only today things would go far worse for both the GOP and nation as a whole.

    Trump was voted into office largely for the specific purpose of disrupting the insider Washington monopoly.  If that monopoly removes him without reasons that far exceed those that caused problems for Clinton and Nixon, it will be perceived as a coup, as proof that we’re not going to get what we vote for unless the elites approve of it.  Since what we want is by nature the de-throning of the elites, they’re not going to approve.

    So what happens when vast swaths of rural and industrial America are told their votes don’t matter?  They’ll probably resort to methods somewhat less peaceful than voting.

    The Tea Party was polite but was marginalized, so next came the loud and crude Trump.  Throw out Trump and what comes next will make Trump seem like an altar boy.

    Those who want Trump deposed have no idea what they’re dealing with.

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  11. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    He is the President at the moment, but our founders gave us the checks and balances to provide for his removal, including impeachment and the ratification of the 25th Amendment.

    We can have all of the positives with a President Pence, without the verbal and twitter incontinence of Trump.

    President Pence?  Once the Left start impeaching Republicans they will not stop until they are back in power.  Pence will not stand a chance.  I doubt they will be thankful to your help for siding with their cause.

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  12. The Reticulator Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I think that Nixon was the master of self-control and probidity compared to Trump.

    If your re-direction is your way of conceding that we can’t really have a effective President Pence, then your concession is accepted.

    And I’ll give you that on superficial points of style, Nixon is ahead of Trump. For some people.  There is no accounting for taste, I suppose.

    But on issues of substance, who has done more to cut corporate welfare? Trump hasn’t eliminated the EX-IM bank, but he has stood by his nomination of Scott Garrett, thereby upsetting the corrupt crony class that favors it. Nixon’s Secretary of Agriculture eliminated some of the New Deal-era payments for non-production of crops, but he was in favor of the agriculture subsidies that still have our political system in a deathgrip.

    I think I’ll give that round to Trump.

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  13. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I think that Nixon was the master of self-control and probidity compared to Trump.

    From where I sit, unmistakably plotting to offer hush money to criminals evidences neither self-control nor probity.  I suppose that, if we had a scintilla of evidence of criminal conduct by Trump, we could compare the two.  But we don’t and we can’t.

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  14. Martel Inactive
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    He is the President at the moment, but our founders gave us the checks and balances to provide for his removal, including impeachment and the ratification of the 25th Amendment.

    We can have all of the positives with a President Pence, without the verbal and twitter incontinence of Trump.

    President Pence? Once the Left start impeaching Republicans they will not stop until they are back in power. Pence will not stand a chance. I doubt they will be thankful to your help for siding with their cause.

    The night after Trump singled out the racists (but before his second comments blaming both sides), I saw a roundtable on MSNBC saying that they didn’t care about Trump’s rhetoric in the slightest, that what bothered them was his “racist” policies.  You know, opposing vote fraud, supporting law enforcement, tax giveaways for the rich, etc.

    None of this changes under Pence.  If anything, they like Pence even less, seeing him as a true conservative that’s more likely to damage their agenda.  Even if he turns on Trump tomorrow, they’ll find plenty of reason to impeach him.

    On the other hand, Pence caved pretty quickly as soon as he took some heat for Indiana’s religious freedom bill.  So maybe if Pence is a good boy and doesn’t rock the boat he’ll be left alone.

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  15. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I think that Nixon was the master of self-control and probidity compared to Trump.

    From where I sit, unmistakably plotting to offer hush money to criminals evidences neither self-help nor probity. I suppose that, if we had a scintilla of evidence of criminal conduct by Trump, we could compare the two. But we don’t and we can’t.

    But we do have evidence.  The best evidence the Left can manufacture. It may not be true evidence, but that matters not.  It is the best type of evidence, it is the evidence everybody already knows is true.

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  16. Ralphie Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    He is the President at the moment, but our founders gave us the checks and balances to provide for his removal, including impeachment and the ratification of the 25th Amendment.

    We can have all of the positives with a President Pence, without the verbal and twitter incontinence of Trump.

    As Nixon noteiced, if the party supports you, you’ll stay, but if the party doesn’t, you’ll go.   I do think he has done some good things,  and without as many appointments as Obama at this time.  His personality is such he tackles issues with brute force. It worked with the Norks. They might be thinking our guy is crazier than their guy. He is his own worse enemy most of the time. But when someone like Sheryl Attikson gives him credit, you have to think a little bit about what is really going on. I only know what I read. I don’t live in Washington and don’t know anyone there.

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  17. Dean Murphy Member
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    Mike LaRoche (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Trinity Waters (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    He is the President at the moment, but our founders gave us the checks and balances to provide for his removal, including impeachment and the ratification of the 25th Amendment.

    We can have all of the positives with a President Pence, without the verbal and twitter incontinence of Trump.

    Boring.

    Repetitive, too.

    And tense.

    With Linda Ronstadt?

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  18. Concretevol Thatcher
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    You suck, I hate you.

     

    Have fun :)

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  19. DocJay Inactive
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    Martel (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Trinity Waters (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    He is the President at the moment, but our founders gave us the checks and balances to provide for his removal, including impeachment and the ratification of the 25th Amendment.

    We can have all of the positives with a President Pence, without the verbal and twitter incontinence of Trump.

    Boring.

    If deja vu is boring. Unfortunately, some of us have been around long enough to have learned from history. Gerald Ford was not really able to be President. His pardoning of Nixon was held against him every day. If he hadn’t pardoned Nixon, the same people would have used him as a tool to exercise their Nixon hatred daily. The Democrats used Nixon’s impeachment to corrupt our budgetary process and to win the White House in 1976.

    Nixon was a bad president and deserved impeachment, but not as much as JFK and LBJ deserved impeachment before him, and not as much as a couple of our more recent presidents. I cheered on Nixon’s impeachment – had my class watch some of the Watergate hearings on teevee. It was probably a mistake. The reason Nixon was impeached was not because of his wrongdoing, but because the left/media had hated him with a burning fury since 1948, and because the Democrats controlled Congress, as they do now.

    Why anyone would want to go there again is a mystery.

    Only today things would go far worse for both the GOP and nation as a whole.

    Trump was voted into office largely for the specific purpose of disrupting the insider Washington monopoly. If that monopoly removes him without reasons that far exceed those that caused problems for Clinton and Nixon, it will be perceived as a coup, as proof that we’re not going to get what we vote for unless the elites approve of it. Since what we want is by nature the de-throning of the elites, they’re not going to approve.

    So what happens when vast swaths of rural and industrial America are told their votes don’t matter? They’ll probably resort to methods somewhat less peaceful than voting.

    The Tea Party was polite but was marginalized, so next came the loud and crude Trump. Throw out Trump and what comes next will make Trump seem like an altar boy.

    Those who want Trump deposed have no idea what they’re dealing with.

    People who hunt elk, hate gun grabbers and love America.  Millions of blue collar families.  Lots of LEOs and the military.   It won’t be pretty.

    The impeachment crowd, Libs and NTs,  are deluding themselves about the consequences.

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  20. Judge Mental Member
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    Dean Murphy (View Comment):

    Mike LaRoche (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Trinity Waters (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    He is the President at the moment, but our founders gave us the checks and balances to provide for his removal, including impeachment and the ratification of the 25th Amendment.

    We can have all of the positives with a President Pence, without the verbal and twitter incontinence of Trump.

    Boring.

    Repetitive, too.

    And tense.

    With Linda Ronstadt?

    And then the murders began.

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  21. DocJay Inactive
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    I just met the oldest living Oakland Raider.  A linebacker named Tom who is 84.

    I also just finished a house call tonight on a guy who worked closely with Howard Hughes, pre-recluse days.

    I’m going to listen to Vice President for the next 3.5 years,Mike Pence,  and Gov Susanna Martinez speak next Saturday at yet another Basque testicle feast.  Mmmm.

    I’ll have to save up some adventures to write about.

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  22. DocJay Inactive
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    For some ungodly reason I’m driving 7 hours to see an eclipse.  I think the videos later on HD will be way better.

    I’m putting out positive energy for our country.  The planets are lined up baby.  Out with the old in with the …..oh wait.   Back to positive energy.

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  23. Percival Thatcher
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Dean Murphy (View Comment):

    Mike LaRoche (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Trinity Waters (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    He is the President at the moment, but our founders gave us the checks and balances to provide for his removal, including impeachment and the ratification of the 25th Amendment.

    We can have all of the positives with a President Pence, without the verbal and twitter incontinence of Trump.

    Boring.

    Repetitive, too.

    And tense.

    With Linda Ronstadt?

    And then the murders began.

    What this post calls for is a visual non sequitur.

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  24. dajoho Member
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    Good hunting Doc.

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  25. Black Prince Inactive
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    Have fun and stay safe, Doc. I look forward to your return.

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  26. Bob Thompson Member
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    Martel (View Comment):
    So what happens when vast swaths of rural and industrial America are told their votes don’t matter? They’ll probably resort to methods somewhat less peaceful than voting.

     

    Well, yes, because it has a much deeper meaning than can be expressed in the thought ‘their votes don’t matter’. So far President Trump, duly elected, has acted admirably and frequently spoken as Trump speaks. Based on where we are now with what we know, anti-Trump posturing is nothing more than that so it is a bad move to let these fools take America down. Our elected federal Republican representatives need to get focused on why they have been sent to Washington.

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  27. Bob Thompson Member
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    Ralphie (View Comment):
    I only know what I read. I don’t live in Washington and don’t know anyone there.

    You should be thankful and just be cautious about accepting as accurate anything you read in the WaPo.

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  28. Karl Nittinger Inactive
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    DocJay: He’s our President and many good things will come from his administration despite his verbal cholera. Sure there are problems but the positives outweigh the negatives by far.

    There is no objective evidence for either of these assertions. I remain Never(EverEver)Trump and will continue to remain so. I didn’t vote for him in 2016 and wouldn’t under any circumstances vote for him if he were to stand for election again (which, I would assert, is not a guarantee).

    On a positive note, today’s news that the loathesome Steve Bannon will be exiting will make the single-malt scotch taste a little better this evening.

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  29. Mike LaRoche Inactive
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    At the end of the day, Trump is still president and the Nevers are still consumed with bitterness.

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  30. Bob Thompson Member
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    Mike LaRoche (View Comment):
    At the end of the day, Trump is still president and the Nevers are still consumed with bitterness.

    This is true. I like the winning.

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