A Three-Letter Word from LGBTQ

 

The title of this OP was a clue in my morning crossword puzzle. It made me angry. I can’t even escape the leftist propaganda with my morning coffee, Crunch cereal with almond milk, raisins, and bananas. I have to be reminded that this term (which now has many more letters nowadays) has become part of our everyday lexicon.

My reaction is not just about the term LGBTQ; it’s about everyone trying to normalize those lifestyles which once were considered out of the norm. Don’t get me wrong: I love the diversity of my crossword puzzle — What’s a port in Yemen? Name a Wall Street index? What’s a desert plant used to make tequila? Who was the screenwriter, James, who wrote “The African Queen”? (Tuesday’s puzzles are pretty easy.)

I get enough politically correct nonsense from everywhere else. Please leave my crossword puzzle alone.

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  1. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Annegeles (View Comment):
    Here’s one I hadn’t come across before: Headline, ” ‘Roseanne’ casting gender creative child.”

    Please enlighten us, Annegeles, if they defined it. I don’t want to be out of the loop. Or should I say, loopiness!

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  2. Kozak Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    Not nearly enough….

    “UK Facebook users can now choose from one of 71 gender options, including asexual, polygender and two-spirit person, following the feature’s successful integration in the US.”

    Good grief. Thanks for this, Kozak. ?

    The inmates are in charge of the asylum.

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  3. Kozak Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    Not nearly enough….

    “UK Facebook users can now choose from one of 71 gender options, including asexual, polygender and two-spirit person, following the feature’s successful integration in the US.”

    Good grief. Thanks for this, Kozak. ?

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  4. Gary McVey Contributor
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    They were once considered outside the norm. Now they’re not.

    When I say outside the norm, Fred, I’m saying they are a tiny part of the population. Not the same as saying “normal.” As a result, I think we spend a lot of time on them although they are outside the norm.

    Heck, Susan, I don’t spend any time on them and I don’t expect them to spend any time on me. But the social conservatives on Ricochet sure do seem to spend a big chunk of their lives thinking about it. It obviously fascinates them.

    A “lifestyle” is something you choose. They didn’t choose it, any more than you or I chose ours.

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  5. C. U. Douglas Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: My reaction is not just about the term LGBTQ; it’s about everyone trying to normalize those lifestyles which once were considered out of the norm.

    They were once considered outside the norm. Now they’re not. Standards and mores change over time. Some are for the better (like not burning gay people at the stake) and some are for the worse (the prevalence of facial tattoos).

    As someone pointed out several years back, homosexuality has gone from “the love that dare not speak its name”, to “the love that won’t shut up”.

    We have to keep talking about it, because the moment they go silent is the minute we start to realize that this is outside the norm, and may even cease endorsing their choices.

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  6. jaWes (of TX) Member
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    Susan Quinn:it’s about everyone trying to normalize those lifestyles which once were considered out of the norm.

    Looking at it from their perspective, they are trying to normalize something in the culture they believe to be good and true. There was a time when some might have said the same thing about interracial couples. Personally, I want my kids to see interracial couples on TV, or at the store, or at church. I want them to accept that as normal.

    I suspect we all tend to be in favor of influencing the culture in ways we agree with, but against others influencing the culture in ways we disagree with. So when I see this type of normalization occurring, it just makes me sad more than angry or frustrated.

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  7. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    They were once considered outside the norm. Now they’re not.

    When I say outside the norm, Fred, I’m saying they are a tiny part of the population. Not the same as saying “normal.” As a result, I think we spend a lot of time on them although they are outside the norm.

    Heck, Susan, I don’t spend any time on them and I don’t expect them to spend any time on me. But the social conservatives on Ricochet sure do seem to spend a big chunk of their lives thinking about it. It obviously fascinates them.

    A “lifestyle” is something you choose. They didn’t choose it, any more than you or I chose ours.

    Just to be clear, Gary, I was using the crossword example of how often gay issues show up: television, movies, newspaper stories, magazines. There are those who seem to want to make these folks the center of attention, often. I understand it is more than a lifestyle, but they or their representatives are making their sexuality an issue. For many, it is in fact a lifestyle, when they wear their sexuality on their sleeves; for others, it is just like you and me, our gender. What word do you think would be more appropriate than lifestyle?

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  8. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    C. U. Douglas (View Comment):
    We have to keep talking about it, because the moment they go silent is the minute we start to realize that this is outside the norm, and may even cease endorsing their choices.

    Could you clarify this comment, C.U. Not understanding . . .

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  9. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    jaWes (of TX) (View Comment):
    I suspect we all tend to be in favor of influencing the culture in ways we agree with, but against others influencing the culture in ways we disagree with. So when I see this type of normalization occurring, it just makes me sad more than angry or frustrated.

    Very good point, jaWes. I guess normalizing can take time. If they were more patient, we wouldn’t be thinking about it at all, as something that had to be spotlighted. It reminds me a bit of the fact that few people know: many black American families were middle-class, self-reliant, two-parent and employed–before the Civil Rights Act. One has to wonder, however long it may have taken, if accepting black Americans would have occurred naturally. You can’t force acceptance down people’s throats.

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  10. C. U. Douglas Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    C. U. Douglas (View Comment):
    We have to keep talking about it, because the moment they go silent is the minute we start to realize that this is outside the norm, and may even cease endorsing their choices.

    Could you clarify this comment, C.U. Not understanding . . .

    It’s similar to a statement I heard the other day about “Settled Science.” The speaker said that the science was not settled by virtue of the fact that there’s so much controversy about it. Settled science doesn’t engender heated discussion, we just know it to be so.

    Similar, the alphabet-sex crowd has insisted that this is all settled and normal, but evidence speaks otherwise – The very fact that they have to constantly remind everyone that this is the norm speaks to the idea that it is not.

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  11. Gary McVey Contributor
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    They were once considered outside the norm. Now they’re not.

    When I say outside the norm, Fred, I’m saying they are a tiny part of the population. Not the same as saying “normal.” As a result, I think we spend a lot of time on them although they are outside the norm.

    Heck, Susan, I don’t spend any time on them and I don’t expect them to spend any time on me. But the social conservatives on Ricochet sure do seem to spend a big chunk of their lives thinking about it. It obviously fascinates them.

    A “lifestyle” is something you choose. They didn’t choose it, any more than you or I chose ours.

    Just to be clear, Gary, I was using the crossword example of how often gay issues show up: television, movies, newspaper stories, magazines. There are those who seem to want to make these folks the center of attention, often. I understand it is more than a lifestyle, but they or their representatives are making their sexuality an issue. For many, it is in fact a lifestyle, when they wear their sexuality on their sleeves; for others, it is just like you and me, our gender. What word do you think would be more appropriate than lifestyle?

    A reasonable question, Susan. “Gender” probably, whether they wear it on their sleeves or not. There’s a beach near here where young heterosexual women wear their sexuality without any sleeves at all. (Vive la differance!)

    “Lifestyle” sounds more like, “Every Sunday afternoon we have chicken and biscuits”.

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  12. Gary McVey Contributor
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    I keep reading that activists and propaganda outlets are relentlessly pounding the drums claiming that homosexuality is vastly, overwhelmingly more popular than it really is. The mainstream/left media (LA Times, NYT, WaPo, etc.) say it’s about 3% for men, 1.5 % for women. That’s what your opponents keep quoting.

    Does anyone here find those numbers way out of line?

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  13. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    A reasonable question, Susan. “Gender” probably, whether they wear it on their sleeves or not. There’s a beach near here where young heterosexual women wear their sexuality without any sleeves at all. (Vive la differance!)

    “Lifestyle” sounds more like, “Every Sunday afternoon we have chicken and biscuits”.

    Great response. Thanks for making me smile, too!

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  14. Gary McVey Contributor
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    I have to stay on Susan’s good side, because someday she and I will publish “Ricochet’s Guide to Everyday Judaism, by Quinn and McVey”. I bet we’d sell a few copies!

    (BTW, My wife’s cousin wrote “Jewish Pirates of the Caribbean”. I’ve always wanted to buy the adaptation rights. I don’t know if we could sell Disney on it, though.

    “Awwk! Awwk! Polly wants a matzoh”

    “Yo ho ho, and a bottle of Manischewitz! Man oh Manischewitz, what a wine!”)

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  15. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    I have to stay on Susan’s good side, because someday she and I will publish “Ricochet’s Guide to Everyday Judaism, by Quinn and McVey”. I bet we’d sell a few copies!

    I LOVE it! Just say the word. Except somebody has to, uh, be charge, you know. Partnerships can be really difficult. ;-)

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  16. Addiction Is A Choice Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    I have to stay on Susan’s good side, because someday she and I will publish “Ricochet’s Guide to Everyday Judaism, by Quinn and McVey”. I bet we’d sell a few copies!

    I LOVE it! Just say the word. Except somebody has to, uh, be charge, you know. Partnerships can be really difficult. ?

    Love the book idea! Of course, for maximum impact, you may want to “Judify” your names a bit. “Quinn & McVey” sounds like a Scottish law firm ;)

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  17. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    @jawesoftx, I keep thinking about your point that much of the propaganda is about the efforts to normalize gays and the rest of the alphabet. At least for gays, I wonder if any of you think that gays would have been accepted more easily (by accepted, I mean a kinder response) if we weren’t bombarded with information. We are, after all, created in G-d’s image.

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  18. Gary McVey Contributor
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    I have to stay on Susan’s good side, because someday she and I will publish “Ricochet’s Guide to Everyday Judaism, by Quinn and McVey”. I bet we’d sell a few copies!

    I LOVE it! Just say the word. Except somebody has to, uh, be charge, you know. Partnerships can be really difficult. ?

    I’ve been married for decades. Take it from me: the Jewish woman is always in charge.

    (An old family joke:) A kid comes home from school, all excited. “Mom, guess what? I’m in the school play!”

    “What role did they give you?”

    “The Jewish husband”

    (Mom, sternly:) “Now you go back there and make them give you a speaking part!”

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  19. Joe P Member
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    Mate De (View Comment):
    Perhaps people like the novelty or something, I don’t know. But this is why I think many people think the percentage is much higher.

    That, and the initial studies into the prevalence of homosexually had some pretty serious methodological flaws that resulted in over-estimations.

    The most quoted figure was that 10% of men were gay, but the study that produced it sampled prisons inmates from 3 prisons in the south. But, 10% is easy to quote as “1 in 10” and that made it easy to use for all kinds of activism purposes.

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  20. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Joe P (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):
    Perhaps people like the novelty or something, I don’t know. But this is why I think many people think the percentage is much higher.

    That, and the initial studies into the prevalence of homosexually had some pretty serious methodological flaws that resulted in over-estimations.

    The most quoted figure was that 10% of men were gay, but the study that produced it sampled prisons inmates from 3 prisons in the south. But, 10% is easy to quote as “1 in 10” and that made it easy to use for all kinds of activism purposes.

    The data also tell us that women’s sexuality is much more “fluid,” which seems to indicate that women tend to choose a sexual orientation rather than being born into it. Thanks, Joe.

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  21. Gary McVey Contributor
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    Joe P (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):
    Perhaps people like the novelty or something, I don’t know. But this is why I think many people think the percentage is much higher.

    That, and the initial studies into the prevalence of homosexually had some pretty serious methodological flaws that resulted in over-estimations.

    The most quoted figure was that 10% of men were gay, but the study that produced it sampled prisons inmates from 3 prisons in the south. But, 10% is easy to quote as “1 in 10” and that made it easy to use for all kinds of activism purposes.

    That was the 1948 Kinsey study, which has also been partly discredited on the straight side of things for being exaggerated as well. It hasn’t been quoted as 10% on the left or the mainstream press in about forty years.

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  22. Bob Thompson Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    The data also tell us that women’s sexuality is much more “fluid,” which seems to indicate that women tend to choose a sexual orientation rather than being born into it. Thanks, Joe.

    What do the numbers say about which party is the physical abuser in domestic violence?

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  23. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    That was the 1948 Kinsey study, which has also been partly discredited on the straight side of things for being exaggerated as well. It hasn’t been quoted as 10% on the left or the mainstream press in about forty years.

    I think that was what Joe was referring to in his first paragraph about flaws, but I’m not sure.

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  24. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    The data also tell us that women’s sexuality is much more “fluid,” which seems to indicate that women tend to choose a sexual orientation rather than being born into it. Thanks, Joe.

    What do the numbers say about which party is the physical abuser in domestic violence?

    This article says it’s about the same as with straight couples, but I don’t know how solid the data is.

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  25. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    I keep reading that activists and propaganda outlets are relentlessly pounding the drums claiming that homosexuality is vastly, overwhelmingly more popular than it really is. The mainstream/left media (LA Times, NYT, WaPo, etc.) say it’s about 3% for men, 1.5 % for women. That’s what your opponents keep quoting.

    Does anyone here find those numbers way out of line?

    I realize that this is a dodge, but my preference would be to have something in black and white in front of me, so I can check out the data and manner in which it was collected.  I seem to recall a number of around 10% being bandied about in the Times at some point.  I think one’s personal view on this is likely to be influenced by where one lives.

     

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  26. Gary McVey Contributor
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    I keep reading that activists and propaganda outlets are relentlessly pounding the drums claiming that homosexuality is vastly, overwhelmingly more popular than it really is. The mainstream/left media (LA Times, NYT, WaPo, etc.) say it’s about 3% for men, 1.5 % for women. That’s what your opponents keep quoting.

    Does anyone here find those numbers way out of line?

    I realize that this is a dodge, but my preference would be to have something in black and white in front of me, so I can check out the data and manner in which it was collected. I seem to recall a number of around 10% being bandied about in the Times at some point. I think one’s personal view on this is likely to be influenced by where one lives.

    Probably. But that “some point” was likely in the now-pretty-distant past. (Though, for what it’s worth, I’ve never met any gay men who exaggerated their numbers, but I have met a few lesbians who can’t live with “1.5%”).

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  27. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    I swear this is true. I’m working on the WSJ crossword, and guess what one clue asked:

    “An Inconvenient Sequel: Truth to Power” figure. (four letters) Guess who? They could have used all kinds of clues (and have in the past) for him.

    Propaganda.

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  28. Nanda Panjandrum Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    The latest norm :

    At full throttle, the letters wind up something like LGBTQQIP2SAA – Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender,

    • Two Q’s to cover both bases (queer and questioning);
    • I for Intersex, people with two sets of genitalia or various chromosomal differences;
    • P for Pansexual, people who refuse to be pinned down on the Kinsey scale;
    • 2S for Two-Spirit, a tradition in many First Nations that considers sexual minorities to have both male and female spirits;
    • A for Asexual, people who do not identify with any orientation; and
    • A for Allies, recognizing that the community thrives best with loving supporters, although they are not really part of the community itself.

    Alphabet soup used to be a treat at lunch, now it’s a tongue-twister.

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  29. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Gays are part of the norm.

    A society with no gays would be abnormal.

    Being part of the norm (which im using as a completely value neutral descriptor) doesn’t mean being the same as everybody else. As a species we come in Bell Curves (or Kinsey Scales), not binaries.

    Yes, Zafar, they are part of the norm. But a tiny part of the norm. And promoted and talked about far beyond their numbers–just for being gay. No one celebrates my being a woman–well, except maybe my husband . . .

    I’m sort of glad my wife is, and I’ll bet my kids really are.

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  30. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    The data also tell us that women’s sexuality is much more “fluid,” which seems to indicate that women tend to choose a sexual orientation rather than being born into it. Thanks, Joe.

    I think there’s even an acronym for it, something about being lesbian until graduation.

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