A Three-Letter Word from LGBTQ

 

The title of this OP was a clue in my morning crossword puzzle. It made me angry. I can’t even escape the leftist propaganda with my morning coffee, Crunch cereal with almond milk, raisins, and bananas. I have to be reminded that this term (which now has many more letters nowadays) has become part of our everyday lexicon.

My reaction is not just about the term LGBTQ; it’s about everyone trying to normalize those lifestyles which once were considered out of the norm. Don’t get me wrong: I love the diversity of my crossword puzzle — What’s a port in Yemen? Name a Wall Street index? What’s a desert plant used to make tequila? Who was the screenwriter, James, who wrote “The African Queen”? (Tuesday’s puzzles are pretty easy.)

I get enough politically correct nonsense from everywhere else. Please leave my crossword puzzle alone.

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  1. Fred Cole Inactive
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):
    All is fair game I guess, but rappers’ names might as well be random letters. (I know “DRE”.)

    Well, “Dre” is just short Andre.  The female version is “Drea.”

    I agree about rapper names.  There’s no way I’d get a clue like that.

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  2. Addiction Is A Choice Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: My reaction is not just about the term LGBTQ; it’s about everyone trying to normalize those lifestyles which once were considered out of the norm.

    They were once considered outside the norm. Now they’re not. Standards and mores change over time. Some are for the better (like not burning gay people at the stake) and some are for the worse (the prevalence of facial tattoos).

    What about the ongoing standard of throwing “gay people” off the top of buildings by that religion of peace (sic) …

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/06/isis-throws-man-off-roof-for-being-gay-mob-pelts-corpse-with-rocks.html

    This is what drives me insane! Homosexuals are routinely executed in the Middle East and activists have the nerve to lecture us about tolerance! I should rephrase that: Homosexuality is a crime punishable by death in most of the Middle East; activists lecture us because they don’t have the nerve to direct their ire where it belongs.

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  3. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Kozak (View Comment):
    Un PC word that would fit the clue….

    F##…..

    It depends on what letters are in any overlapping squares.

    Also, do we really need to go there?

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  4. She Member
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    Susan,

    Stop eating bananas for breakfast.  It only encourages them.

    • #34
  5. Bob Thompson Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: My reaction is not just about the term LGBTQ; it’s about everyone trying to normalize those lifestyles which once were considered out of the norm.

    They were once considered outside the norm. Now they’re not. Standards and mores change over time. Some are for the better (like not burning gay people at the stake) and some are for the worse (the prevalence of facial tattoos).

    What about the ongoing standard of throwing “gay people” off the top of buildings by that religion of peace (sic) …

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/06/isis-throws-man-off-roof-for-being-gay-mob-pelts-corpse-with-rocks.html

    The views and behaviors of others toward these abnormal elements of society is what needs to be normalized so that it is always civilized and not savage.

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  6. Bob Thompson Member
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    “Gay people’ could correctly go in quotes when referencing the views and actions of Islamic culture toward such people because that culture has not delved into the many variations and descriptions that provide the wide-ranging diversity of these abnormalities as has Western culture. In Islam they are all condemned and described by a single term.

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  7. Miffed White Male Member
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    Mate De (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):
    The reason why it seems everything is gay is because the vast majority live in coastal cities where much of the folks that create our media, movies, TV, etc…. live. So if you live in a place where it seems everyone one is gay, you lose sight of the fact that the percentage is pretty small, in comparison to the rest of the country.

    Nope. It’s a pretty small percentage even in those places.

    Gallup did a survey of self-identified gays by metropolitan area a few years ago. In San Francisco, the percentage of gays is something like 6%. And that was the highest percentage anywhere in the country.

    I know what you mean but the perception is that it is higher. My sister had one gay couple in her neighborhood and she would refer to it as the “gayberhood” when they would have get togethers. Like, I’m hanging with some folks from the gayberhood. I said to her how does one couple make the entire neighborhood gay? There are hundreds of people who live there. So it is more a perception than actual numbers. I hope that makes sense.

    But your thesis was that the concentrations are much higher on  “the coasts”, whereas the gallup poll indicates the spread is much more uniform.

    Furthermore, if the percentage in San Francisco is only 6% (and don’t tell me anyone is refusing to “self-identify” in San Francisco for fear of discrimination or ostracization), then the real population is much lower than portrayed in media.

     

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  8. Jules PA Inactive
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):
    What paper was it in? My 81 year old mother-in-law has done a crossword puzzle weekly (might be daily) for most of her life – she has multiple language dictionaries and is very sharp, but I bet that would have stumped her !! GADS!!

    That is a good point. Perhaps the demographic of those who still do crossword puzzles aren’t down with the new jargon.

    I often wonder how Millenials would be able to complete them, Mate De; lots of the clues are oldies. But maybe some of them are fans of the good ol’ days. Or maybe just us more mature folks are doing them!

    The need to finish a puzzle with missing clues can spur an interaction with, the horror, another human outside your generation.

    ?

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  9. Zafar Member
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    Addiction Is A Choice (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: My reaction is not just about the term LGBTQ; it’s about everyone trying to normalize those lifestyles which once were considered out of the norm.

    They were once considered outside the norm. Now they’re not. Standards and mores change over time. Some are for the better (like not burning gay people at the stake) and some are for the worse (the prevalence of facial tattoos).

    What about the ongoing standard of throwing “gay people” off the top of buildings by that religion of peace (sic) …

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/06/isis-throws-man-off-roof-for-being-gay-mob-pelts-corpse-with-rocks.html

    This is what drives me insane! Homosexuals are routinely executed in the Middle East and activists have the nerve to lecture us about tolerance! I should rephrase that: Homosexuality is a crime punishable by death in most of the Middle East; activists lecture us because they don’t have the nerve to direct their ire where it belongs.

    That’s a pretty low bar to set for a gold star. Just saying.

    Also – apparently you care about your reputation for tolerance – which speaks well of you. Saudi doesn’t care. Might as well lecture a chair on the virtues of abstinence.

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  10. Columbo Inactive
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):
    What about the ongoing standard of throwing “gay people” off the top of buildings by that religion of peace (sic) …

    Why did you put “gay people” in quotes?

    I consider myself “gay”. However, in a different way than you used the term. Hence, the quotes.

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  11. Mate De Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):
    The reason why it seems everything is gay is because the vast majority live in coastal cities where much of the folks that create our media, movies, TV, etc…. live. So if you live in a place where it seems everyone one is gay, you lose sight of the fact that the percentage is pretty small, in comparison to the rest of the country.

    Nope. It’s a pretty small percentage even in those places.

    Gallup did a survey of self-identified gays by metropolitan area a few years ago. In San Francisco, the percentage of gays is something like 6%. And that was the highest percentage anywhere in the country.

    I know what you mean but the perception is that it is higher. My sister had one gay couple in her neighborhood and she would refer to it as the “gayberhood” when they would have get togethers. Like, I’m hanging with some folks from the gayberhood. I said to her how does one couple make the entire neighborhood gay? There are hundreds of people who live there. So it is more a perception than actual numbers. I hope that makes sense.

    But your thesis was that the concentrations are much higher on “the coasts”, whereas the gallup poll indicates the spread is much more uniform.

    Furthermore, if the percentage in San Francisco is only 6% (and don’t tell me anyone is refusing to “self-identify” in San Francisco for fear of discrimination or ostracization), then the real population is much lower than portrayed in media.

    No, my thesis isn’t about numbers per se, it is about the perception of numbers. I pointed out that two gay people in a neighborbood of about 300 now turned the neighborhood into a gayberhood, to those who lived there. Perhaps people like the novelty or something, I don’t know. But this is why I think many people think the percentage is much higher.

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  12. Zafar Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    They were once considered outside the norm. Now they’re not.

    When I say outside the norm, Fred, I’m saying they are a tiny part of the population. Not the same as saying “normal.” As a result, I think we spend a lot of time on them although they are outside the norm.

    Gays are part of the norm.

    A society with no gays would be abnormal.

    Being part of the norm (which im using as a completely value neutral descriptor) doesn’t mean being the same as everybody else. As a species we come in Bell Curves (or Kinsey Scales), not binaries.

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  13. EJHill Podcaster
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    Dear @fredcole : I am perfectly aware what the prefix “pan” means. Do you have any idea what the term “wordplay” means? Or shall I send you a link?

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    Mate De (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):
    The reason why it seems everything is gay is because the vast majority live in coastal cities where much of the folks that create our media, movies, TV, etc…. live. So if you live in a place where it seems everyone one is gay, you lose sight of the fact that the percentage is pretty small, in comparison to the rest of the country.

    Nope. It’s a pretty small percentage even in those places.

    Gallup did a survey of self-identified gays by metropolitan area a few years ago. In San Francisco, the percentage of gays is something like 6%. And that was the highest percentage anywhere in the country.

    I know what you mean but the perception is that it is higher. My sister had one gay couple in her neighborhood and she would refer to it as the “gayberhood” when they would have get togethers. Like, I’m hanging with some folks from the gayberhood. I said to her how does one couple make the entire neighborhood gay? There are hundreds of people who live there. So it is more a perception than actual numbers. I hope that makes sense.

    But your thesis was that the concentrations are much higher on “the coasts”, whereas the gallup poll indicates the spread is much more uniform.

    Furthermore, if the percentage in San Francisco is only 6% (and don’t tell me anyone is refusing to “self-identify” in San Francisco for fear of discrimination or ostracization), then the real population is much lower than portrayed in media.

    No, my thesis isn’t about numbers per se, it is about the perception of numbers. I pointed out that two gay people in a neighborbood of about 300 now turned the neighborhood into a gayberhood, to those who lived there. Perhaps people like the novelty or something, I don’t know. But this is why I think many people think the percentage is much higher.

    Many people think the percentage is much higher because Leftist mass media deliberately created that impression.

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  15. Miffed White Male Member
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    Mate De (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):
    The reason why it seems everything is gay is because the vast majority live in coastal cities where much of the folks that create our media, movies, TV, etc…. live. So if you live in a place where it seems everyone one is gay, you lose sight of the fact that the percentage is pretty small, in comparison to the rest of the country.

    Nope. It’s a pretty small percentage even in those places.

    Gallup did a survey of self-identified gays by metropolitan area a few years ago. In San Francisco, the percentage of gays is something like 6%. And that was the highest percentage anywhere in the country.

    I know what you mean but the perception is that it is higher. My sister had one gay couple in her neighborhood and she would refer to it as the “gayberhood” when they would have get togethers. Like, I’m hanging with some folks from the gayberhood. I said to her how does one couple make the entire neighborhood gay? There are hundreds of people who live there. So it is more a perception than actual numbers. I hope that makes sense.

    But your thesis was that the concentrations are much higher on “the coasts”, whereas the gallup poll indicates the spread is much more uniform.

    Furthermore, if the percentage in San Francisco is only 6% (and don’t tell me anyone is refusing to “self-identify” in San Francisco for fear of discrimination or ostracization), then the real population is much lower than portrayed in media.

    No, my thesis isn’t about numbers per se, it is about the perception of numbers. I pointed out that two gay people in a neighborbood of about 300 now turned the neighborhood into a gayberhood, to those who lived there. Perhaps people like the novelty or something, I don’t know. But this is why I think many people think the percentage is much higher.

    Reread the first sentence of your original comment: “The reason why it seems everything is gay is because the vast majority live in coastal cities where much of the folks that create our media, movies, TV, etc…. live.”

    But according to the gallup survey, the vast majority aren’t concentrated in a few coastal cities – they’re actually spread with remarkable uniformity across metro areas through the country.

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  16. Zafar Member
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    Mate De (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):
    The reason why it seems everything is gay is because the vast majority live in coastal cities where much of the folks that create our media, movies, TV, etc…. live. So if you live in a place where it seems everyone one is gay, you lose sight of the fact that the percentage is pretty small, in comparison to the rest of the country.

    Nope. It’s a pretty small percentage even in those places.

    Gallup did a survey of self-identified gays by metropolitan area a few years ago. In San Francisco, the percentage of gays is something like 6%. And that was the highest percentage anywhere in the country.

    I know what you mean but the perception is that it is higher. My sister had one gay couple in her neighborhood and she would refer to it as the “gayberhood” when they would have get togethers. Like, I’m hanging with some folks from the gayberhood. I said to her how does one couple make the entire neighborhood gay? There are hundreds of people who live there. So it is more a perception than actual numbers. I hope that makes sense.

    But your thesis was that the concentrations are much higher on “the coasts”, whereas the gallup poll indicates the spread is much more uniform.

    Furthermore, if the percentage in San Francisco is only 6% (and don’t tell me anyone is refusing to “self-identify” in San Francisco for fear of discrimination or ostracization), then the real population is much lower than portrayed in media.

    No, my thesis isn’t about numbers per se, it is about the perception of numbers. I pointed out that two gay people in a neighborbood of about 300 now turned the neighborhood into a gayberhood, to those who lived there. Perhaps people like the novelty or something, I don’t know. But this is why I think many people think the percentage is much higher.

    Wishful thinking?  Let’s face it, we’re good for property values.

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  17. Percival Thatcher
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):
    What about the ongoing standard of throwing “gay people” off the top of buildings by that religion of peace (sic) …

    Why did you put “gay people” in quotes?

    Do you suppose the throwers are all that concerned with rules of evidence and such Western fripperies?

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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: My reaction is not just about the term LGBTQ; it’s about everyone trying to normalize those lifestyles which once were considered out of the norm.

    They were once considered outside the norm. Now they’re not. Standards and mores change over time. Some are for the better (like not burning gay people at the stake) and some are for the worse (the prevalence of facial tattoos).

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):
    As someone pointed out several years back, homosexuality has gone from “the love that dare not speak its name”, to “the love that won’t shut up”.

    That’s because if you spoke its name you’d be burned at the stake for it.

    Fred, right here you are carrying water for the Leftists who want to destroy traditional values, morals and traditional gender roles.

    You are parroting the Leftist meme that executions for homosexuality were commonplace, which is not true.  The actual number of executions for homosexuality is probably between 100 and 200 persons in the entire history of western civilization.  Of course, you only had to kill about one per century per country to keep the homosexuals deep in their closets, but the fact remains that only the most flamboyant or insulting were executed.

    You already went to Wikipedia as a source, which, since they are solidly Leftist, we should use for this purpose.  They list all known executions from 1292 AD through 1835 AD, and they only list 15 persons.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_for_homosexuality

    Being an out homosexual was not safe.  Getting killed for it required very special circumstances.   Making out like it was common is the sort of unhistorical exaggeration that I find to be similar to finding LBGTQQ answers buried in the crossword puzzle.

    The “burned at the stake” meme is especially noxious.  Burned alive was not a common method for those executions; it was extraordinarily rare.  That came from a false tale of the etymology of the word “faggot.”  It has been de-bunked.   It is more associated with artistic depictions of homosexuals burning in hell than with actual faggots used to burn actual homosexuals.  For a lame but interesting discussion on that aspect of that offensive word, see the talk page at Wikipedia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AFaggot

     

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  19. Mate De Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):
    The reason why it seems everything is gay is because the vast majority live in coastal cities where much of the folks that create our media, movies, TV, etc…. live. So if you live in a place where it seems everyone one is gay, you lose sight of the fact that the percentage is pretty small, in comparison to the rest of the country.

    Nope. It’s a pretty small percentage even in those places.

    Gallup did a survey of self-identified gays by metropolitan area a few years ago. In San Francisco, the percentage of gays is something like 6%. And that was the highest percentage anywhere in the country.

    I know what you mean but the perception is that it is higher. My sister had one gay couple in her neighborhood and she would refer to it as the “gayberhood” when they would have get togethers. Like, I’m hanging with some folks from the gayberhood. I said to her how does one couple make the entire neighborhood gay? There are hundreds of people who live there. So it is more a perception than actual numbers. I hope that makes sense.

    But your thesis was that the concentrations are much higher on “the coasts”, whereas the gallup poll indicates the spread is much more uniform.

    Furthermore, if the percentage in San Francisco is only 6% (and don’t tell me anyone is refusing to “self-identify” in San Francisco for fear of discrimination or ostracization), then the real population is much lower than portrayed in media.

    No, my thesis isn’t about numbers per se, it is about the perception of numbers. I pointed out that two gay people in a neighborbood of about 300 now turned the neighborhood into a gayberhood, to those who lived there. Perhaps people like the novelty or something, I don’t know. But this is why I think many people think the percentage is much higher.

    Reread the first sentence of your original comment: “The reason why it seems everything is gay is because the vast majority live in coastal cities where much of the folks that create our media, movies, TV, etc…. live.”

    But according to the gallup survey, the vast majority aren’t concentrated in a few coastal cities – they’re actually spread with remarkable uniformity across metro areas through the country.

    Ok, you’re right. The premise of my thesis changed. However, I would like to see the percentage of gays in media and entertainment to the rest of the population. That creates the perception problem.

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  20. Annegeles Reagan
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    Here’s one I hadn’t come across before:  Headline, ” ‘Roseanne’ casting gender creative child.”

     

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  21. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    Just because something is common does not make it normal.

    Thank you, Bob. My point exactly.

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  22. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Mate De (View Comment):
    I know what you mean but the perception is that it is higher. My sister had one gay couple in her neighborhood and she would refer to it as the “gayberhood” when they would have get togethers. Like, I’m hanging with some folks from the gayberhood. I said to her how does one couple make the entire neighborhood gay? There are hundreds of people who live there. So it is more a perception than actual numbers. I hope that makes sense.

    It makes lots of sense. Amazing what a good propaganda machine will do!

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  23. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    Pansexuality may be considered a sexual orientation in its own right or a branch of bisexuality, to indicate an alternative sexual identity.[3][6][7] Because pansexual people are open to relationships with people who do not identify as strictly men or women, and pansexuality therefore rejects the gender binary,[3][7] it is often considered a more inclusive term than bisexual.[8][9] To what extent the term bisexual is inclusive when compared with the term pansexual is debated within the LGBT community, especially the bisexual community.[9]

    Sheesh.

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  24. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Kozak (View Comment):
    Not nearly enough….

    “UK Facebook users can now choose from one of 71 gender options, including asexual, polygender and two-spirit person, following the feature’s successful integration in the US.”

    Good grief. Thanks for this, Kozak. ;-)

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  25. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):
    The trend I’d rather kvetch about is the ever-growing convenient out for the constructor of using rappers’ names. I have NO idea, and apparently they could be anything – any random spelling. I always have to solve it with the crossing words, but there’s no way to be sure until the app plays the little music that announces my daily victory.

    All is fair game I guess, but rappers’ names might as well be random letters. (I know “DRE”.)

    Isn’t that age discrimination?? I must say that even though I’m Jewish and know some Yiddish, they throw me off with those answers. Like kvetch or shlepp.

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  26. Sisyphus Member
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):
    As someone pointed out several years back, homosexuality has gone from “the love that dare not speak its name”, to “the love that won’t shut up”.

    That’s because if you spoke its name you’d be burned at the stake for it.

    Or end up in gaol.

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  27. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Addiction Is A Choice (View Comment):
    This is what drives me insane! Homosexuals are routinely executed in the Middle East and activists have the nerve to lecture us about tolerance! I should rephrase that: Homosexuality is a crime punishable by death in most of the Middle East; activists lecture us because they don’t have the nerve to direct their ire where it belongs.

    Same issue with women’s rights, AIAC. Who cares if they do genital mutilation in Africa?

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  28. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    She (View Comment):
    Susan,

    Stop eating bananas for breakfast. It only encourages them.

    Oh, well blame me for that . . . wait . . . encourages whom?

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  29. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Jules PA (View Comment):
    The need to finish a puzzle with missing clues can spur an interaction with, the horror, another human outside your generation.

    Except I’m the youngest one in our household! Then what?

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  30. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Gays are part of the norm.

    A society with no gays would be abnormal.

    Being part of the norm (which im using as a completely value neutral descriptor) doesn’t mean being the same as everybody else. As a species we come in Bell Curves (or Kinsey Scales), not binaries.

    Yes, Zafar, they are part of the norm. But a tiny part of the norm. And promoted and talked about far beyond their numbers–just for being gay. No one celebrates my being a woman–well, except maybe my husband . . .

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