Major Advance in 3D Metal Printing

 

I just got emails about this earlier today.  I have no idea on the cost (I’m waiting for my rep to quote it) and it won’t be released for sale until 2018, but if this tech works out then we’re looking at a truly massive breakthrough in affordable (for businesses anyway, not yet consumers) 3D metal printing.  Probably still out of the price range for my business, but this is a significant move towards affordable 3D printing of high-quality metal parts.

First up we have a desktop (really benchtop) metal printing system.  Nothing like this has been out before.

Next up we have a high-volume version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUOCiRktuCo

The second video demonstrates the mass printing of an impeller, with an estimated cost of under $5.00 a part.  If they are correct, that is a very affordable price.

Amazing.

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  1. David Foster Member
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    There is a lot of coverage of 3D printing at the GE blog…the company does see significant applications beyond prototyping, and is now making jet engine fuel nozzles with 3Dp, eliminating assembly steps allowing considerably more design flexibility.

    One recent post here:

     

    http://www.ge.com/reports/mind-meld-ge-3d-printing-visionary-joined-forces/

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  2. Percival Thatcher
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):
    Just how useful is this capability for manufactured goods today? Or even to make tooling for the manufacture of goods?

    Benjamin Franklin witnessed one of the early Montgolfier brothers hot-air balloon experiments. When one of the other people present said “Of what use is it?” Franklin supposedly retorted “Of what use is a newborn babe?”

    First, the capability, then the applications.

    I don’t disagree with that at all. My entire beef was the fantasy that 3d printing will be a revolution in any way comparable to the development of electronics and semiconductors. 3d printing has been slowly and steadily improving for years, and will continue to do so — slowly and steadily. It is useful, but it ain’t a magic wand, and won’t be.

    The vacuum tube was invented in 1904. Hot, fragile power-sucks. It took 40+ years to come up with the transistor. They are only getting started.

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  3. skipsul Inactive
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    Manny (View Comment):
    Skip, I’ve personally never had any parts made with 3-D printing. What kind of tolerencing can I expect? I’m assuming since they’re talking in microns that 3-D can give you tighter tolerences than machined parts. How good and is it shape dependent?

    By the way, fascintating. I was taken back when 3-D first came out and thought it was revolutionary then.

    It all depends on the printer.  The low end ones have an OK resolution, but you can see that they have a rough finish.  The higher up the printer line you go, the better the resolution and the greater variety of materials you can get.  This is the one we have:

    http://www.stratasys.com/3d-printers/idea-series/mojo

    It has a minimum layer thickness of 0.007″

    But you go up to this:

    http://www.stratasys.com/3d-printers/production-series/stratasys-j750

    And you are down to a 14 micron resolution.

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  4. skipsul Inactive
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    Laser tech seems to be moving fairly fast; it may not be too long before there’s laser sintered 3D metal printing. That will change things.

    Actually that’s been the standard way to do it, it’s just really slow.

    At the ConEx show in Vegas this year I watched a robotic welder that could “print” very very large metal parts, layer by layer by slowly welding up a structure.  It was extremely slow, but you had a very strong part (albeit with a rough finish) at the end.

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  5. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    So I take it manufacturing auto parts to spec is a fair ways off with 3D printing?

     

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  6. skipsul Inactive
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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    So I take it manufacturing auto parts to spec is a fair ways off with 3D printing?

    Depends on the part.  Plastics?  Already there for short run parts and specialty replacement parts.  Metal parts?  Depends on the expected duty cycle of the part.

    See here, for instance:

    And here:

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  7. Joseph Eagar Member
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    Manny (View Comment):
    Skip, I’ve personally never had any parts made with 3-D printing. What kind of tolerencing can I expect? I’m assuming since they’re talking in microns that 3-D can give you tighter tolerences than machined parts. How good and is it shape dependent?

    By the way, fascintating. I was taken back when 3-D first came out and thought it was revolutionary then.

    Tolerances are typically a bit worse than traditional methods.  How much worse depends on the specific method.  The video looked like a sintered thermoplastic method, so I doubt you can get tolerances below a tenth or two of a milimeter.

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  8. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Member
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    Wow.

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  9. MrAmy Inactive
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    You can’t ignore the most important development in 3d printing – chocolate.

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  10. 1967mustangman Inactive
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    To all the naysayers out there or those that feel like lecturing on how 3d printing will “never” replace traditional manufacturing…..just remember never is a very long time.

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  11. Manny Coolidge
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    skipsul (View Comment):
    It has a minimum layer thickness of 0.007″

    But you go up to this:

    http://www.stratasys.com/3d-printers/production-series/stratasys-j750

    And you are down to a 14 micron resolution.

    That’s outstanding actually.  Thanks.

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  12. Manny Coolidge
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    Joseph Eagar (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Skip, I’ve personally never had any parts made with 3-D printing. What kind of tolerencing can I expect? I’m assuming since they’re talking in microns that 3-D can give you tighter tolerences than machined parts. How good and is it shape dependent?

    By the way, fascintating. I was taken back when 3-D first came out and thought it was revolutionary then.

    Tolerances are typically a bit worse than traditional methods. How much worse depends on the specific method. The video looked like a sintered thermoplastic method, so I doubt you can get tolerances below a tenth or two of a milimeter.

    Skip says you can get to 14 microns.  If I’m doing my conversion correctly, that’s .0014 mm.  That’s millimeters, not inches.

    Edit.  Wrong decimal place.  That’s .014 mm.  That’s nothing special.  OK, high tolerencing is not a plus.

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  13. Arahant Member
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    Manny (View Comment):
    Skip says you can get to 14 microns. If I’m doing my conversion correctly, that’s .0014 mm. That’s millimeters, not inches.

    Psst! .014 mm. Still, it isn’t bad.

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  14. Manny Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Skip says you can get to 14 microns. If I’m doing my conversion correctly, that’s .0014 mm. That’s millimeters, not inches.

    Psst! .014 mm. Still, it isn’t bad.

    LOL, yeah I caught it myself.  It’s not bad but CNC machines do that easily.

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  15. skipsul Inactive
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    Manny (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Skip says you can get to 14 microns. If I’m doing my conversion correctly, that’s .0014 mm. That’s millimeters, not inches.

    Psst! .014 mm. Still, it isn’t bad.

    LOL, yeah I caught it myself. It’s not bad but CNC machines do that easily.

    Good enough for a lot of jobs though.

    There are some medical grade machines too.  Those invisalign braces?  They’re all printed to order.

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  16. Arahant Member
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    skipsul (View Comment):
    There are some medical grade machines too. Those invisalign braces? They’re all printed to order.

    I think my dentist prints certain types of filling, too.

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  17. Judge Mental Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    skipsul (View Comment):
    There are some medical grade machines too. Those invisalign braces? They’re all printed to order.

    I think my dentist prints certain types of filling, too.

    Inlays and onlays probably.

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  18. Manny Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    skipsul (View Comment):
    There are some medical grade machines too. Those invisalign braces? They’re all printed to order.

    I think my dentist prints certain types of filling, too.

    Yeah, I can see how having a 3D printer handy is beneficial there.  Quick turn arounds and odd geometries.

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  19. 1967mustangman Inactive
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    Manny (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    skipsul (View Comment):
    There are some medical grade machines too. Those invisalign braces? They’re all printed to order.

    I think my dentist prints certain types of filling, too.

    Yeah, I can see how having a 3D printer handy is beneficial there. Quick turn arounds and odd geometries.

    Crowns are another big one.  Not having to get a temporary account and come back for a second appointment is pretty awesome.

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  20. Steve C. Member
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    1967mustangman (View Comment):
    To all the naysayers out there or those that feel like lecturing on how 3d printing will “never” replace traditional manufacturing…..just remember never is a very long time.

    Both. You could use a 3D printer to make one time use plastic 20 oz cup lids. But why would you?

     

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  21. cirby Inactive
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    Currently, there are a few really good uses for short-run 3D printing.

    At least one small audio equipment manufacturer put the CAD for several of their parts (knobs and such) out for free. That way, if a customer breaks or loses a piece, they can get a new one reasonably fast (if they have access to a 3D printer, of course).

    Replacement parts for outdated machines? Oh, yeah. Not that many gadgets really need top-spec toughness. Knobs, cases, brackets… a whole lot of things that make up our things can easily be made of relatively weak plastics and metals.

    The thing that will really kick off 3D printing as a broad-use tech is ready availability of free/cheap CAD files. There are a few sites that host that sort of thing, but they’ll be as ubiquitous as photo-sharing sites in a few years.

     

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  22. Joseph Eagar Member
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    cirby (View Comment):
    Replacement parts for outdated machines? Oh, yeah. Not that many gadgets really need top-spec toughness. Knobs, cases, brackets… a whole lot of things that make up our things can easily be made of relatively weak plastics and metals.

    I’ve had a mania for taking stuff apart since I was a small child, especially plastic stuff (I find it fascinating).  And let me tell you, having decent plastics does make a difference.  Injection-molded engineering plastics are so much tougher and nicer.

    That said, I have printed several replacement parts in the past year.  But not everything that brakes has been amiable to 3D printing.  Sometimes I cast stuff out of resin, other times I use polymer clay.

     

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  23. Joseph Eagar Member
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    1967mustangman (View Comment):
    To all the naysayers out there or those that feel like lecturing on how 3d printing will “never” replace traditional manufacturing…..just remember never is a very long time.

    It’s already been 30 years, though.  That’s like saying consumer sewing machines will replace the textiles industry.  They each have their place.

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  24. Boss Mongo Member
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    Joseph Eagar: I have a simple question for those who disagree: how can you love a country where a plurality of the population openly encourages another, bigger plurality to kill themselves, such is their hatred? Please, enlighten me. What part of America is so awesome and morally good to compensate for that.

    From your loathe America post.  Don’t mean to divert (I got another comment coming up on actual fabbers), but:

    I love this country with a breadth, depth, and density that is neither  scale-able nor negotiable, and mostly (for me, ’cause I always end up crying like a [CoC]) indescribable.  But this country is well worth loving.  I grew up a TCK, so ‘pon my return to the US of A, I had to compare and contrast what I saw in the US with what I’d grown up with.  I fell in love.  And do so over and over again.

    We have sharp, jagged, ragged differences about what our body politic should do, is doing, will do.  But as passionate (or histrionic/vitriolic/venomized) as our public discourse has been, you would be hard pressed to find any countries that have handled it as well as we have, at any point in history.

    Was going to post a post (that’s either really good writing, or really bad) on The Things That Bring Me Joy.  I was headed home and transitioned from the Dixie Highway to the Overseas Highway.

    I saw a kid, pumping hard on a bike, back-pack on, long hair flowing in the wind, with a crazy grin on his face.

    I love this country because, as bitter as our internecine disputes are, no one is looking to trash that kid’s bike, or hack his arm off with a machete, or execute him because of national politics, state politics, or municipal politics.  I love this country.

    I worked with a guy named Sar.  He had an amazing “tattoo” of silvered flesh from the knuckles of his hand up to his shoulder. Kind of like how hipsters get sleeve tattoos without even knowing who they are, except not.  Counter-sniper fire had hit his arm and traveled up; the result was glistening, silvery scars.  He earned those amazing scars whilst serving as a sniper.  At the age of 13.

    Sar willingly tied his fate and destiny to the United States.  Has put his life on the line for these United States again, and again, and again.  He exemplifies diversity, patriotism and love of liberty.

    That’s why I love these United States, and will never loathe us.  Or US.

     

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  25. cirby Inactive
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    Joseph Eagar (View Comment):
    I’ve had a mania for taking stuff apart since I was a small child, especially plastic stuff (I find it fascinating). And let me tell you, having decent plastics does make a difference. Injection-molded engineering plastics are so much tougher and nicer.

     

    Compared to plain ABS from a printer? Yeah.

    But there are some newer and better printer plastics out there, and some of them are quite strong. PLA is what, 2.5 times the strength of ABS? The only issue would be getting that slick finish you get from injection molding, and for the vast majority of uses, that’s certainly not critical. I’d much rather have a not-as-perfect but perfectly functional item in my hand in a few minutes than a somewhat nicer one that I have to spend a day making – or a couple of days waiting for a shipment from the manufacturer.

    If you need even higher strength, there’s always nylon-carbon fiber. Right now, it’s mostly for the more expensive printers, but give it time. It’s nice looking, and pretty damned strong – approaching machined aluminum in raw strength.

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  26. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Manny (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Skip says you can get to 14 microns. If I’m doing my conversion correctly, that’s .0014 mm. That’s millimeters, not inches.

    Psst! .014 mm. Still, it isn’t bad.

    LOL, yeah I caught it myself. It’s not bad but CNC machines do that easily.

    Absolutely, but a heckuva lot of good stuff got made to tolerances of .0006 inches which is about what 14 µ is.

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  27. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    Skip says you can get to 14 microns. If I’m doing my conversion correctly, that’s .0014 mm. That’s millimeters, not inches.

    Psst! .014 mm. Still, it isn’t bad.

    LOL, yeah I caught it myself. It’s not bad but CNC machines do that easily.

    Absolutely, but a heckuva lot of good stuff got made to tolerances of .0006 inches which is about what 14 µ is.

    Heck, if I’m careful, I can do .001″ on my hand-crank manual mill, 25µm.

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  28. cirby Inactive
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    Absolutely, but a heckuva lot of good stuff got made to tolerances of .0006 inches which is about what 14 µ is.

    Aside from a few parts in my computers and the finicky bits of my firearms, I don’t think there’s a lot of stuff in my house that needs that sort of tolerance to work…

     

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  29. The Reticulator Member
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    OldDan Rhody (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    I’ll finally be able to get a helmet that fits.

    Of titanium!

    I’ll stick with tinfoil.  It fits anything.

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  30. The Reticulator Member
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    Hank Rhody (View Comment):
    We were just using it to replicate the mass production system we had previously. But we weren’t constrained to mass produced product anymore; you get the same speeds and efficiencies producing a thousand units or ony one. I’ve thought a lot about that since. I think the future’s in that direction, where you can make things that are both cheap and unique.

    What would be really cool would be to have men’s clothes that fit again instead of one or two sizes that fit all, badly.  I’ve often wondered why we don’t have it already.

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