Bill Nye, Harry Potter, and Why Millennials Can’t Think

 

Millennials can’t think.  They get their science from Bill Nye.  Their only form of literary reference is the Harry Potter franchise.  Read another book, please! Bill Nye was fun in the 90’s to get the basics about science – law of gravity, simple machines, energy transfer.  I think the place that Bill Nye holds in the culture today is due to the nostalgia of millennials.

I’ve seen a number of the episodes of Nye’s original series, Bill Nye the Science Guy.  I remember watching the show in grade-school and junior high.  His shows and topics covered in each episode were quite superficial; they served as an entertaining introduction to whatever new topic we were beginning to learn about.  There was no depth there.  He was an entertaining figure when I was in fifth, sixth, and seventh grade; now he’s just a dolt.  Fellow millennials (and you gen-xers) please stop holding up this bad actor as a “scientist.”

I’ve read the Harry Potter franchise many times.  I’ve seen the movies multiple times.  I was six years old when the first book came out.  It was one of the first longer books that I read, not the first but one of the first.  I read each book when it came out.  When the later books came out, I remember going to the midnight releases and rushing home to read it until I was too tired to read another word.  A good series.  I enjoyed it and I still enjoy it.

With all that being said, fellow millennials please read another book!  Harry Potter is good.  It’s not great.  The first longer books that I read were Roald Dahl books.  I also loved C. S. Lewis’s Chronicles of Narnia, and there is actually some depth with that series.  Mark Twain is fantastic.  The Little House on the Prairie series is delightful.

Why should you read another book? So that you can make a literary reference.  You can understand a reference in the newspaper.  So that you’ll know what a Bacchanal is and where it comes from.  You’ll know what big brother is.  Some are more equal than others. (I hope you all caught that last one.)

The worst part of this lack of thought is that there are countless “journalists” that always and only ever make a reference to the principal villain in Harry Potter, Voldemort, when talking about the “evil” Donald Trump.  There are many, many tweets and articles that do this (I have no desire to find them again, because whenever I see one I am usually half-tempted to throw my computer out the window).  If you think Trump is so bad, then why not compare him to Mustapha Mond?  Or maybe call him Ralph?

This ignorance to other literary references and to trusting Bill Nye as a “scientist” is due to blind nostalgia.  Harry Potter and Bill Nye remind us of our adolescence.  They remind us of a time with no responsibility.  It’s fine to have memories.  It’s problematic to use those memories as a crutch and a reason to never expand your mind.

Millennials, Screwtape would be proud of your ignorance.

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  1. Roberto Inactive
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):
    I can only imagine that comparing a living, breathing person to Voldemort is intended at some level to be funny. Rowling’s wizarding world is deliberately somewhat absurd. Why would a comparison to, say, Mustapha Mond be similarly funny?

    I think you’re being too clever here; Voldemort is evil, Trump is evil, there’s not much more to it than that, although I probably could continue if I really wanted to. It’s similar to how people compared Dick Cheney to Darth Vader. Although I do find the part where these people are then comparing themselves to Harry Potter to be amusing.

    Well, Vader is evil. So why isn’t Trump called Vader? Johnny says it’s always Voldemort, though.

    I think you’re underestimating the degree to which Millennial writers try to be funny and clever (try is not the same as succeed, of course). Many Millennials seem to overthink pop-culture references, which is arguably a huge waste of time (in which case the world is a better place if the references are unthinking), but being a geek like that is part of the Millennial image.

    Well it is because you see that Vader redeems himself in the end by turning against the Emperor thus saving Luke, while Trump cannot be redeemed as he is a fascist. As for Millennials think of them more akin to Luke Skywalker early in his training with Obi-Wan Kenobi. Recall the scene in the Millennium Falcon where in learning to use the Force Luke is initially humbled by early inadequate efforts but eventually is able to deflect bolts from the drone with ease.

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  2. Vance Richards Inactive
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    Johnnie Alum 13: Fellow millennials (and you gen-xers) please stop holding up this bad actor as a “scientist.”

    Yeah, there is a big drop off from “tist” to “guy”.

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  3. Matt Balzer Member
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):
    Johnny says it’s always Voldemort, though.

    I think you’re underestimating the degree to which Millennial writers try to be funny and clever (try is not the same as succeed, of course). Many Millennials seem to overthink pop-culture references, which is arguably a huge waste of time (in which case the world is a better place if the references are unthinking), but being a geek like that is part of the Millennial image.

    I think if they were trying to be funny and clever, they’d be working at coming up with references that weren’t Voldemort. Although I might guess that part of that is also being able to identify themselves with Harry Potter, which ranges from wrong to hilariously wrong depending on the person making the reference.

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  4. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):

    Johnnie Alum 13: He was an entertaining figure when I was in fifth, sixth, and seventh grade

    Beakman was cooler.

    Beaker was the coolest.

    Beaker

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  5. Pugshot Inactive
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    The problem with millennials is that they grew up watching frauds like Bill Nye instead of the real thing:  Mr. Wizard!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfTaH13zAUA

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  6. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    Bill Nye is no Sir Isaac Newton.

     

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  7. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Vadar would own Voldemort.

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  8. Bob Thompson Member
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):
    I probably shouldn’t relate this because it seems small-minded, but every time I hear of Bill Nye I think of it.

    I live all summer on my sailboat at the Ithaca Yacht club. One day a couple of years ago during reunion weekend (Ithaca is home to Cornell U.) Mr. Nye appeared as a guest on the boat next to me in the marina (Mr. Science Guy is a Cornell alum.).

    His host, my friend and dock-mate, a truly awe-inspiring and internationally known Laser sailer, was trying to get his keelboat engine started, so they could all head out on the lake for a nice afternoon. He isn’t mechanically inclined, and so couldn’t work out his boat battery problem. Mr. Nye and he fussed and fumed for a while, were about to give up on the whole thing when I asked if I could help.

    I sorted it out for them in a minute, had a beer, waved to them as they headed out.

    But I have always wondered after that about Bill Nye. The “Science Guy” doesn’t understand how a battery works.

    But he does know how the planet’s climate works, so we’re all safer for that!

    It’s worse than that. I could let that go if he were a real scientist. I think his only related credential is a B.S. engineering degree from Cornell.

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  9. Johnnie Alum 13 Inactive
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    The Scarecrow (View Comment):
    I probably shouldn’t relate this because it seems small-minded, but every time I hear of Bill Nye I think of it.

    I live all summer on my sailboat at the Ithaca Yacht club. One day a couple of years ago during reunion weekend (Ithaca is home to Cornell U.) Mr. Nye appeared as a guest on the boat next to me in the marina (Mr. Science Guy is a Cornell alum.).

    His host, my friend and dock-mate, a truly awe-inspiring and internationally known Laser sailer, was trying to get his keelboat engine started, so they could all head out on the lake for a nice afternoon. He isn’t mechanically inclined, and so couldn’t work out his boat battery problem. Mr. Nye and he fussed and fumed for a while, were about to give up on the whole thing when I asked if I could help.

    I sorted it out for them in a minute, had a beer, waved to them as they headed out.

    But I have always wondered after that about Bill Nye. The “Science Guy” doesn’t understand how a battery works.

    But he does know how the planet’s climate works, so we’re all safer for that!

    It’s worse than that. I could let that go if he were a real scientist. I think his only related credential is a B.S. engineering degree from Cornell.

    Yes. And I think he worked at Boeing as an engineer before he left to become a comedian and then a TV personality.

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  10. Anamcara Inactive
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    I hesitate to bring this up because I can’t remember the lecturer but…In the 80’s my husband and I went to a lecture at Penn. The title was something like Perspectives on Science. The main premise was: if one can’t arrive at definitive information as the result of research, one can give an interpretation that promotes the common good.  My husband kept elbowing me saying, “Let’s get out of here.” He was involved in serious research and he was appalled and stressed that this was a really dangerous idea, would corrupt science, was based on hubris. Climate science could be a case in point.

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  11. RightAngles Member
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    Anamcara (View Comment):
    I hesitate to bring this up because I can’t remember the lecturer but…In the 80’s my husband and I went to a lecture at Penn. The title was something like Perspectives on Science. The main premise was: if one can’t arrive at definitive information as the result of research, one can give an interpretation that promotes the common good. My husband kept elbowing me saying, “Let’s get out of here.” He was involved in serious research and he was appalled and stressed that this was a really dangerous idea, would corrupt science, was based on hubris. Climate science could be a case in point.

    Oh dear.

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  12. Anamcara Inactive
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    Victor Davis Hanson elaborates this point:

    Lying in America has become not lying when “good” liars advance alternative narratives for noble purposes — part of our long slide into situational ethics and moral relativism.
    NRO August 30, 1016 Why Hillary Is Never Held Accountable for Her Lies

     

     

     

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  13. barbara lydick Inactive
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    Pugshot (View Comment):
    The problem with millennials is that they grew up watching frauds like Bill Nye instead of the real thing: Mr. Wizard!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfTaH13zAUA

    Ah, yes. I’m glad (and fortunate) to be older and therefore can remember Mr. Wizard (Don Herbert) who was pure science and very entertaining.

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  14. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Dolph.jpg

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  15. Unsk Member
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    Please don’t conflate the Harry Potter series with Bill Nye and crazy Al Gore.

    The Harry Potter series at it’s root teaches about the differences between good and evil, a concept thoroughly lacking in today’s schooling.

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  16. Johnnie Alum 13 Inactive
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    Unsk (View Comment):
    Please don’t conflate the Harry Potter series with Bill Nye and crazy Al Gore.

    The Harry Potter series at it’s root teaches about the differences between good and evil, a concept thoroughly lacking in today’s schooling.

    You’ve missed my point.

    I said that I think the Harry Potter series is good and that I’ve enjoyed it.  Many “journalists,” especially millenial ones appear to have only ever read the Harry Potter series and when they feel the need to make a literary reference they can only make a Harry Potter one.  That is a lack of interest in knowledge.   That is a lack of creativity.  That is juvenile thought.  That feeds into the idea that many millenials have that everything that came before 1995 is bad/evil/wrong.

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  17. Matt Balzer Member
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    Unsk (View Comment):
    Please don’t conflate the Harry Potter series with Bill Nye and crazy Al Gore.

    The Harry Potter series at it’s root teaches about the differences between good and evil, a concept thoroughly lacking in today’s schooling.

    Sure, but I believe the point the OP was making is that it’s a bad thing when that’s the only literary reference you can make, and it’s even worse when you think that you’re being original and/or clever by doing so.

    Edit: Beaten to the punch.

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  18. blank generation member Inactive
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    Is Howard Zinn’s A People’s History… the primary history text at school or just reference material?  Just wondering these days.

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  19. Johnnie Alum 13 Inactive
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    blank generation member (View Comment):
    Is Howard Zinn’s A People’s History… the primary history text at school or just reference material? Just wondering these days.

    Eric Foner’s “Give Me Liberty” is the main introductory US history college text.  He’s just as much of a communist as Zinn.

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  20. Paula Lynn Johnson Inactive
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    I wish my kids made references to books.  It’s usually references to Internet memes (Justice for Harambe!) or, like @midge mentioned, really bad movies (“Keep your stupid comments in your pocket!”).

     

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  21. RightAngles Member
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    Unsk (View Comment):
    Please don’t conflate the Harry Potter series with Bill Nye and crazy Al Gore.

    The Harry Potter series at it’s root teaches about the differences between good and evil, a concept thoroughly lacking in today’s schooling.

    I agree with Johnnie that they should be able to cite other literary references, but I remember when these books came out, and they got kids reading again, so it’s a very good thing.

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  22. Stina Member
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    Paula Lynn Johnson (View Comment):
    I wish my kids made references to books. It’s usually references to Internet memes (Justice for Harambe!) or, like @midge mentioned, really bad movies (“Keep your stupid comments in your pocket!”).

    Well…

    One time, I completely missed a reference to Tanya Harding. Then I proceeded to miss the follow up of being Patrick from Sponge Bob (he lives under a rock).

    Judging from Trivial Pursuit, the ability to make pop-culture references shouldn’t be completely overlooked.

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  23. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Paula Lynn Johnson (View Comment):
    I wish my kids made references to books. It’s usually references to Internet memes (Justice for Harambe!) or, like @midge mentioned, really bad movies (“Keep your stupid comments in your pocket!”).

    Well…

    One time, I completely missed a reference to Tanya Harding. Then I proceeded to miss the follow up of being Patrick from Sponge Bob (he lives under a rock).

    Judging from Trivial Pursuit, the ability to make pop-culture references shouldn’t be completely overlooked.

    Most Internet meme references go over my head.  Case in point: Justice for Harambe?  Who is Harambe?

    I’m not too broken up about it, though…

     

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  24. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):
    Who is Harambe?

    Martyred gorilla.

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    Pugshot (View Comment):
    The problem with millennials is that they grew up watching frauds like Bill Nye instead of the real thing: Mr. Wizard!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfTaH13zAUA

    Finally!  I was trudging through all this “Science Guy” fraudster stuff, wondering if I was going to be the first one to bring up one of my childhood heros.  It was Mr. Wizard, not this pompous half-wit, who played a major role in drawing me to a life-long interest in, and study of, natural science.

    Now ask me what I really think…

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  26. barbara lydick Inactive
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    Roberto (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):
    It’s funny that probably the most widely lauded “experts” on global warming are Bill Nye, Al Gore, and Prince Charles, none of whom are climatologists or scientists of any stripe. But hey, appearing on TV (or movies) gives one credibility. Rush Limbaugh has often pointed out the time when a trio of famous actresses testified before Congress on agricultural policy. Their expertise?

    The more important point is that is does not even matter what their expertise is, it does not matter what any of their expertise is. I do not care about meaningless credentials. Tell me what temperature you predict and where in one, two, three, four, five years (take your pick!) and let us see. Make a prediction, test it, report the result. Either you will be wrong or you will be right.

    If you are incapable of making a testable prediction then you are not engaging in science, you are engaged in astrology. So far climate research is failing to meet this test.

    Re video clip: I’d love to hear Algore refute this!  And Dr Feynman’s reply (were he still with us) to Gore’s claim of consensus science as his proof.  Contrary to popular belief, public floggings of scientists’ reputations doesn’t quite fit the scientific method approach…

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  27. barbara lydick Inactive
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    Roberto (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):
    It’s funny that probably the most widely lauded “experts” on global warming are Bill Nye, Al Gore, and Prince Charles, none of whom are climatologists or scientists of any stripe. But hey, appearing on TV (or movies) gives one credibility. Rush Limbaugh has often pointed out the time when a trio of famous actresses testified before Congress on agricultural policy. Their expertise?

    The more important point is that is does not even matter what their expertise is, it does not matter what any of their expertise is. I do not care about meaningless credentials. Tell me what temperature you predict and where in one, two, three, four, five years (take your pick!) and let us see. Make a prediction, test it, report the result. Either you will be wrong or you will be right.

    If you are incapable of making a testable prediction then you are not engaging in science, you are engaged in astrology. So far climate research is failing to meet this test.

    Re video clip (sorry, it didn’t copy for this comment – see comment # 16): I’d love to hear Algore refute this!  And Dr Feynman’s reply (were he still with us) to Gore’s claim of consensus science as his proof.  Contrary to popular belief, public floggings of scientists’ reputations doesn’t quite fit the scientific method approach…

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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):
    Please don’t conflate the Harry Potter series with Bill Nye and crazy Al Gore.

    The Harry Potter series at it’s root teaches about the differences between good and evil, a concept thoroughly lacking in today’s schooling.

    I agree with Johnnie that they should be able to cite other literary references, but I remember when these books came out, and they got kids reading again, so it’s a very good thing.

    Harry Potter is a qualified good thing.  The stories are a good read and I enjoyed reading them with my sons.  There is a clear message of siding with good and opposing evil while celebrating friendship, loyalty, courage, forbearance and other worthy virtues.

    However it is also a muddle.  JK Rowling used medieval symbols throughout her works (stag, unicorn, etc.) but she mixed them up with memes and types taken from Grimm and Pagan mythologies.  Some of these symbols or icons she used in a context where they are suitable as references to their antecedants, but in many cases they are miscast or opposite-cast, so that the works as a whole amount to a mixup that gives impressions that a young reader will have to unlearn in order to become truly literate.

    Then there is the whole business about Dumbledore and Harry taking turns playing the “Christ figure.”

    And her post-hoc addition of the “Dumbledore is gay” confusion.

    What a mess.

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  29. Randy Webster Inactive
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    MJBubba (View Comment):
    Harry Potter is a qualified good thing. The stories are a good read and I enjoyed reading them with my sons.

    I think Rowling lost her way a little bit in the later books.

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  30. RightAngles Member
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    MJBubba (View Comment):
    … Then there is the whole business about Dumbledore and Harry taking turns playing the “Christ figure.”

    And her post-hoc addition of the “Dumbledore is gay” confusion.

    What a mess.

    Rowling has kind of gone off the rails, and has unfortunately joined the ranks of celebrity-as-liberal activist. My daughter was well past the Harry Potter phase by the time she decided Dumbledore was gay (oh please, spare us). And now it seems there’s to be a sequel to Frozen where the heroine has a lesbian lover. For children.

    What a shame.

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