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  1. Ryan M(cPherson) Inactive
    Ryan M(cPherson)
    @RyanM

    huh

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  2. Wiley Inactive
    Wiley
    @Wiley

    Good. Let’s get it right and do it again. We need free market insurance and not government managed insurance.

    Medical insurance is too important to leave it in the hands of the government.

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  3. Guruforhire Inactive
    Guruforhire
    @Guruforhire

    Of course they did.  Why would anybody think that republicans were capable of governing like mature adults?

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  4. Kwhopper Inactive
    Kwhopper
    @Kwhopper

    Write a new bill that’s Conservative and eliminate the filibuster. Problem solved.

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  5. cdor Member
    cdor
    @cdor

    Wiley (View Comment):
    Good. Let’s get it right and do it again. Get the economy starting to hum. Then do healthcare.

    edit: I wanted to say…do tax reform and get the economy humming. Then do healthcare insurance reform.

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  6. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
    blood thirsty neocon
    @bloodthirstyneocon

    It gives me no pleasure to have been right about this. Okay, it gives me a little pleasure. Hey, guys, when you deserve to lose you deserve to lose.

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  7. Kwhopper Inactive
    Kwhopper
    @Kwhopper

    Kwhopper (View Comment):
    Write a new bill that’s Conservative and eliminate the filibuster. Problem solved.

    Odd that I was just at NR reading Kevin Williamson:

    The Case for Petty Partisanship

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  8. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
    blood thirsty neocon
    @bloodthirstyneocon

    Look for the congealing of a new consensus conventional wisdom that goes like this:

    Trump and Ryan burned a ton of political capital. They should have started with tax reform. They should have allowed multiple plans to be considered and built consensus around the most popular one. To see how that goes, just read this and this post that I wrote in January.

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  9. I Walton Member
    I Walton
    @IWalton

    So what are the key features and what are the problems?  I’ll make a guess, we have to pass the bill to see what’s in it.

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  10. Kozak Member
    Kozak
    @Kozak

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  11. Jager Coolidge
    Jager
    @Jager

    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):
    Look for the congealing of a new consensus conventional wisdom that goes like this:

    Trump and Ryan burned a ton of political capital. They should have started with tax reform. They should have allowed multiple plans to be considered and built consensus around the most popular one. To see how that goes, just read this and this post that I wrote in January.

    Yeah the role out of this bill was a total failure. Here is the bill take it or leave it, is not the way to build a consensus. The last minute changes to the bill to try to get votes should not have been last minute. They had 6 years. They should have known what they needed to do to get 218 votes like four years ago.

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  12. Lois Lane Coolidge
    Lois Lane
    @LoisLane

    I’m not really sure something that makes Nancy Pelosi so happy was wise or good, but hey ho.  I’m probably in the minority.

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  13. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
    blood thirsty neocon
    @bloodthirstyneocon

    Jager (View Comment):

    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):
    Look for the congealing of a new consensus conventional wisdom that goes like this:

    Trump and Ryan burned a ton of political capital. They should have started with tax reform. They should have allowed multiple plans to be considered and built consensus around the most popular one. To see how that goes, just read this and this post that I wrote in January.

    Yeah the role out of this bill was a total failure. Here is the bill take it or leave it, is not the way to build a consensus. The last minute changes to the bill to try to get votes should not have been last minute. They had 6 years. They should have known what they needed to do to get 218 votes like four years ago.

    Paul Ryan is like a farmer who salts the soil for 50 miles around his little plot of land. No one can plant around his plot, even him. They have to buy crops from him. Then he wonders why everyone flees to greener pastures.

    We can’t govern like that. Let 1000 plants bloom. Pick the best.

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  14. I Walton Member
    I Walton
    @IWalton

    Ryan is too smart and clever by half.  I suspect he is the only guy on the Hill who understands what he’s done.  I’ll say it again.  Those things have to be tossed and begun from scratch, a simple scratch with all the impossible complexities worked out through market adjustments around basic principles and the subsidies made explicitly outside the healthcare law.

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  15. Brad2971 Member
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    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):
    Look for the congealing of a new consensus conventional wisdom that goes like this:

    Trump and Ryan burned a ton of political capital. They should have started with tax reform. They should have allowed multiple plans to be considered and built consensus around the most popular one. To see how that goes, just read this and this post that I wrote in January.

    I don’t see why folks are even anywhere near the level of agitation shown on this thread. I mean, everyone won: Dems get to keep their precious Obamacare, Reps (and Trump) get to blame Dems for the law’s every little failing.

    Heck, even you’re entertained, I assume.

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  16. Matt Y. Inactive
    Matt Y.
    @MattY

    Kwhopper (View Comment):
    Write a new bill that’s Conservative and eliminate the filibuster. Problem solved.

    I don’t have a problem with eliminating the filibuster. A few years ago I would have, but more and more recent events show that the filibuster is no longer a cherished tradition that either side is reluctant to overrule when they want to get something done. A lot of senators used to be philosophically opposed to cloture; now, they usually are willing to even use the nuclear option. Might as well get rid of the filibuster permanently.

    Problem with simply saying, “write a new bill that’s conservative”, is that you have to define conservative (is it synonymous with what the Freedom Caucus wants, or is it more broadly something compatible with the center-right?). And then if you define it as something that only part of the Republican party will support, it won’t be passed then either; you need nearly the whole party in order to pass it. Or, you need most of the party, plus an amount of Democrats equal to the amount lost on the Republican side. You need to keep both the Freedom Caucus and the Tuesday Group – people like this. Or this – note the comments on protection for those with preexisting conditions, no lifetime limits and protections for maternity and prevention care, and opposition to an “immediate end” to Medicare expansion.

     

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  17. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
    blood thirsty neocon
    @bloodthirstyneocon

    Brad2971 (View Comment):

    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):
    Look for the congealing of a new consensus conventional wisdom that goes like this:

    Trump and Ryan burned a ton of political capital. They should have started with tax reform. They should have allowed multiple plans to be considered and built consensus around the most popular one. To see how that goes, just read this and this post that I wrote in January.

    I don’t see why folks are even anywhere near the level of agitation shown on this thread. I mean, everyone won: Dems get to keep their precious Obamacare, Reps (and Trump) get to blame Dems for the law’s every little failing.

    Heck, even you’re entertained, I assume.

    Trump just said he’s gonna wait until Obamacare collapses and then we’ll revisit health care. Democracy is people getting what they want and getting it good and hard.

    On to tax reform!

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  18. Matt Y. Inactive
    Matt Y.
    @MattY

    I get that this bill had some good elements, and I get why some people supported it. If it had passed, I wouldn’t have been really mad or glad, I think. I can’t say what my feelings might have been for sure, since it didn’t happen. But I think the moderates and the Freedom Caucus with their unintentionally united opposition might have saved the party from an electoral disaster. Perhaps not, but we’ll see.

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  19. Jager Coolidge
    Jager
    @Jager

    Brad2971 (View Comment):
    I don’t see why folks are even anywhere near the level of agitation shown on this thread. I mean, everyone won: Dems get to keep their precious Obamacare, Reps (and Trump) get to blame Dems for the law’s every little failing.

    Heck, even you’re entertained, I assume.

    No I am not entertained. How many times has the House voted to Repeal ObamaCare. In 2016 the House and Senate actually put a repeal bill on Obama’s desk. It was all just a show, a lie.

    They have had 6 years and can’t get a bill passed the House when it matters. The House did not change much last election. If they would have passed the same bill Obama vetoed, Trump would have signed it.

    This just showed they have no clue and have been lying to us for years.

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  20. Brad2971 Member
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    Jager (View Comment):

    Brad2971 (View Comment):
    I don’t see why folks are even anywhere near the level of agitation shown on this thread. I mean, everyone won: Dems get to keep their precious Obamacare, Reps (and Trump) get to blame Dems for the law’s every little failing.

    Heck, even you’re entertained, I assume.

    No I am not entertained. How many times has the House voted to Repeal ObamaCare. In 2016 the House and Senate actually put a repeal bill on Obama’s desk. It was all just a show, a lie.

    They have had 6 years and can’t get a bill passed the House when it matters. The House did not change much last election. If they would have passed the same bill Obama vetoed, Trump would have signed it.

    This just showed they have no clue and have been lying to us for years.

    I’ve asked this once before, and it bears repeating: If you, as a conservative, were to get from 90-100% of what you want, policywise, would you recognize what you’ve “won?” And if you did recognize what you’ve “won,” would you subject yourself and your family to it?

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  21. Jager Coolidge
    Jager
    @Jager

    Brad2971 (View Comment):

    Jager (View Comment):

    I don’t see why folks are even anywhere near the level of agitation shown on this thread. I mean, everyone won: Dems get to keep their precious Obamacare, Reps (and Trump) get to blame Dems for the law’s every little failing.

    Heck, even you’re entertained, I assume.

    No I am not entertained. How many times has the House voted to Repeal ObamaCare. In 2016 the House and Senate actually put a repeal bill on Obama’s desk. It was all just a show, a lie.

    They have had 6 years and can’t get a bill passed the House when it matters. The House did not change much last election. If they would have passed the same bill Obama vetoed, Trump would have signed it.

    This just showed they have no clue and have been lying to us for years.

    I’ve asked this once before, and it bears repeating: If you, as a conservative, were to get from 90-100% of what you want, policywise, would you recognize what you’ve “won?” And if you did recognize what you’ve “won,” would you subject yourself and your family to it?

    Yes if I could get 90-100% of what I wanted I would consider it a win. And yes I would subject my family to it.

    Frankly I was perfectly happy with both my health insurance and health care before Obamacare. My insurance is now both worse and more expensive.

     

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  22. Luke Thatcher
    Luke
    @Luke

    better to stop a bad law than to pass a good one…

    • some guy in a book

    or something like that

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  23. Lazy_Millennial Inactive
    Lazy_Millennial
    @LazyMillennial

    The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.

    GK Chesterton, from nearly a hundred years ago. Nothing has changed.

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  24. Luke Thatcher
    Luke
    @Luke

    I’ve brought this up from before

    but, this is why we’re doomed.

    from the republican primary debates …

    Fox Business Host maria bartiromo asks: what’s your plan

    carly fiorina says: to let others make their own plans

    maria bartiromo: but… what’s your plan?

    FacePalm.

    we are all liberals, now.

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  25. philo Member
    philo
    @philo

    Ricochet Editors' Desk: Breaking: House GOP Withdraws AHCA

    Good.  The coming national pain and suffering to be endured during the Obamacare implosion is appropriate and necessary as punishment for ever allowing the evil troika of President Obama (Progressiveness), Majority Leader Reid (Corruption), and Speaker Pelosi (Ignorance) to simultaneously assume the reins of power. Hard lessons must yet be learned for this society to return to and remain based on the liberties (or not) that it inherited from much better stock.

    Now, onward into the abyss…

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  26. Bob W Member
    Bob W
    @WBob

    The toothpaste is out of the tube. Preexisting conditions are covered and insurance can’t be denied. This is a perfect example of how liberals just need one victory to get an entitlement enacted, and it’s impossible to take back. Single payer is the logical ending point of the current trajectory.

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  27. iWe Coolidge
    iWe
    @iWe

    The solution has to be to SELL FREEDOM.

    Pass a law that people can waive all regulatory and administrative oversight, and freely contract with other parties who similarly waive their rights.

    All that stands is contract law – what you agreed to.

    Then people can buy and sell medical services and insurance packages freely. Those who want to keep their Obamacare can keep it. All others can opt out and reap the benefits of the free market.

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  28. iWe Coolidge
    iWe
    @iWe

    Republicans have to go back to simple, first principles. Don’t tweak or try to fix the Deep State. Do an end-run around it.

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  29. Sweezle Inactive
    Sweezle
    @Sweezle

    My biggest beef with Obamacare is that too many rich people can get the subsidies and I ashamed to admit many of my friends are in this club. Some even get free medical care with medicaid which is ridiculous when you have millions in assets.

    Until we count assets not just income they will continue to game the system. If that continues I prefer a single payer system that is at least honest for taxpayers. If I have to subsidize medical care for millionaires, let it be above the table. Genuinely poor folks deserve to be helped.

     

     

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  30. Brad2971 Member
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    Bob W (View Comment):
    The toothpaste is out of the tube. Preexisting conditions are covered and insurance can’t be denied. This is a perfect example of how liberals just need one victory to get an entitlement enacted, and it’s impossible to take back. Single payer is the logical ending point of the current trajectory.

    While I try not to argue with folks who engage in logicism, I will merely note that those Dems who tried to push for single payer in the last 7 or so years (including those misbegotten Dems who tried to get ColoradoCare passed. Only 20% of the people voted for it on 11/8) sounded very similar to the likes of Bill Kristol pushing for “pre-emptive war” with Iran while Iraq was a festering wound in 2006-7.

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