The Standard Reaction to London’s Mass Murder

 

Get ready. Here are the steps:

  1. This has nothing to do with Islam and he does not represent Islam.
  2. Claim it to be the religion of peace.
  3. It’s blowback for the west being in the Middle East.
  4. The guy was mentally ill.
  5. It is “lone wolf attack.”
  6. It’s just part of living in a big city.
  7. Claim Christians do these things too.
  8. Those who object are racist bigots.
  9. Change Facebook profile to flag of inflicted country.
  10. Light some candles, hold a vigil and go on a peace march.
  11. Some lad will sing “Imagine.”
  12. Forget the dead.
  13. Have articles banging on about how we have to protect Muslims.
  14. Ignore the attacker’s religion, motivations, or ideology.
  15. Claim Muslims are the real victims.
  16. Wait for the next Islamic terrorist attack to happen.

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  1. Kozak Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):
    When I was at that very spot in London last summer there was a big impromptu floral memorial to Jo Cox, the MP who had been stabbed by a Brexit supporter. Or so the narrative went. Those barmy nationalists, you know: that’s the real threat.

    I have a picture of my wife to be in 1976, and again in 2015 standing on that spot with Big Ben in the background.

    Little did I know I was putting her at risk, it seemed such a quintessential “English” spot.

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  2. Suspira Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):
    Little did I know I was putting her at risk, it seemed such a quintessential “English” spot.

    Perhaps that’s why the terrorist chose it.

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  3. outlaws6688 Member
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    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):
    Eeekkk, I just heard a commentator on a panel here call this kind of attack “normal”! Huh?

    No problem if you don’t want to answer, but i thought I would ask so I know who to avoid in the future as I am new here. Who was the Commentator?

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  4. Johnny Dubya Inactive
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    Apparently, the attacker was UK-born.  The trend of western-born Muslim supremacists terrorizing their home countries is disturbing.  It suggests that immigration ‘bans’ will only combat a shrinking subset of terrorism.

    This may seem like a stretch, but it brings to mind the IRS scandal, in which the permanent bureaucracy was found to have abused its power for political reasons.  That sort of behavior might be expected once in a while from political appointees, but once it spreads to the bureaucracy as a whole, it is a dire sign.  In the same way, foreigners committing terrorist acts is one thing; a country’s own citizens doing so, using low-tech methods such as vehicles and knives, is a similarly dire sign.

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  5. Nanda Panjandrum Member
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    ST (View Comment):

    Paddy S (View Comment):
    And we deserve to be defeated.

    1. Ouch.
    2. Praying hard that those damned Methodist don’t ‘backlash’ again like that did last time. Give diversity a chance!

    Yep…Ouch, for sure; oh, and: Whose ‘diversity’ are we talking about here?  So many flavors…Sad that we in the West don’t know/care who we were anymore; or who we *need* to be right now.

    [Edit for relevance and clarity.]

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  6. JcTPatriot Member
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    Johnny Dubya (View Comment):
    Apparently, the attacker was UK-born. The trend of western-born Muslim supremacists terrorizing their home countries is disturbing. It suggests that immigration “bans” will be ineffective in combating terrorism.

    This may seem like a stretch, but it brings to mind the IRS scandal, in which the permanent bureaucracy was found to have abused its power for political reasons. That sort of behavior might be expected once in a while from political appointees, but once it spreads to the bureaucracy as a whole, it is a dire sign. In the same way, foreigners committing terrorist acts is one thing; a country’s own citizens doing so, using low-tech methods such as vehicles and knives, is a similarly dire sign.

    The trouble is, home-grown or not, they still get the same kind of brainwashing from their foreign-born Islamic radical Parents!

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  7. Nanda Panjandrum Member
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    outlaws6688 (View Comment):

    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):
    Eeekkk, I just heard a commentator on a panel here call this kind of attack “normal”! Huh?

    No problem if you don’t want to answer, but i thought I would ask so I know who to avoid in the future as I am new here. Who was the Commentator?

    Someone on Special Report’s panel, not a regular…Will double-check and update. (Not someone on Ricochet.)

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  8. outlaws6688 Member
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    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):

    outlaws6688 (View Comment):

    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):
    Eeekkk, I just heard a commentator on a panel here call this kind of attack “normal”! Huh?

    No problem if you don’t want to answer, but i thought I would ask so I know who to avoid in the future as I am new here. Who was the Commentator?

    Someone on Special Report’s panel, not a regular…Will double-check and update. (Not someone on Ricochet.)

    Thank You

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  9. Nanda Panjandrum Member
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    ST (View Comment):
    Highly encourage that you pick up (and maybe even read) The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam.

    Islam expert Robert Spencer reveals Islam’s ongoing, unshakable quest for global conquest and why the West today faces the same threat as the Crusaders did–and what we can learn from their experience.

    Hardcover, 270 pages

    Published July 13th 2005 by Regnery Publishing Inc (first published January 1st 2001)

    Original Title: The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)

    One of the all-time greats; Mr. Spencer is tireless in his mission to educate…

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  10. Nanda Panjandrum Member
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    Joseph Eagar (View Comment):
    American progressivism continues to implode, right before our eyes. What an awesome sight.

    American progressivism may be imploding, but the British/Continental version seems to be taking up the slack, unfortunately.

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  11. Isaiah's Job Inactive
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    18. It’s the fault of the NRA. Even though no firearms were involved. Because of the culture of violence they promote… or something.

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  12. Kozak Member
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    Johnny Dubya (View Comment):
    It suggests that immigration “bans” will be ineffective in combating terrorism.

    No.  In the long run it will at least reduce the exposure. We don’t need anymore potential terrorists, either those who immigrate or their spawn.

    Rule #1 Stop the bleeding.

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  13. Pony Convertible Inactive
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):
    Is Islam a faith or an ideology that controls all aspects of life, therefore not compatible with the West?

    The answer is, “Yes”.

    Watch, or listen to, Hillsdale colleges’s course on Athens and Sparta.  I think it in the second lecture that the professor discusses why the east and west were at odds and incompatible 2000 years ago.  The things he talks about are still true today.  One society believes that religion is the law and you are not free to think or do anything outside of the religious rules.  The other society believes if individual freedoms.  The two societies are not compatible.

    That doesn’t mean that people from one society can’t blend in and function in the other society, but it does require they blend in.  They cannot continue to live in the other society if they behave the same way they did before.  This is one reason immigration needs to be limited.  When a relatively small group of people enter a new society they tend to blend in and live by that society’s rules and values.  If an extremely large group of immigrants enter a society at the same time they tend to stay together as a group and to do blend in.  If their basic values are not the same, there will be conflict.

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  14. Chuckles Coolidge
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    I can’t find the exact source so I could quote him exactly, wish I could, but before he was Sec’y of Defense Mattis said that the seeds of ISIS are inherent in Islam.  We can defeat ISIS now but we will have to keep on doing so regularly, as has been happening since 600 AD.

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  15. Nanda Panjandrum Member
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    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):

    ST (View Comment):
    Highly encourage that you pick up (and maybe even read) The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam.

    Islam expert Robert Spencer reveals Islam’s ongoing, unshakable quest for global conquest and why the West today faces the same threat as the Crusaders did–and what we can learn from their experience.

    Hardcover, 270 pages

    Published July 13th 2005 by Regnery Publishing Inc (first published January 1st 2001)

    Original Title: The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)

    One of the all-time greats; Mr. Spencer is tireless in his mission to educate…

    I’d also include Robert Reilly’s: https://smile.amazon.com/Closing-Muslim-Mind-Intellectual-Islamist-ebook/dp/B00JBRUKZS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1490287944&sr=8-1&keywords=the+closing+of+the+muslim+mind

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  16. Johnny Dubya Inactive
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Johnny Dubya (View Comment):
    It suggests that immigration “bans” will be ineffective in combating terrorism.

    No. In the long run it will at least reduce the exposure. We don’t need anymore potential terrorists, either those who immigrate or their spawn.

    Rule #1 Stop the bleeding.

    I should have written, “It suggests that immigration ‘bans’ will only combat a shrinking subset of terrorism” (corrected).

    I should also add that I think the administration should effect whatever “bans” it deems necessary, within the law and reason, if they are expected to reduce terrorism.

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  17. Roberto Inactive
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    Johnny Dubya (View Comment):
    In the same way, foreigners committing terrorist acts is one thing; a country’s own citizens doing so, using low-tech methods such as vehicles and knives, is a similarly dire sign.

    Has it even been 24 hours?

    Police in the northern Belgian city of Antwerp said on Thursday they had detained a man who tried to enter the main pedestrianised shopping street in a car at high speed, adding security in the city would be stepped up…The Belgian prosecutor’s office said a 39 year old man had been arrested and that police found knives, a shotgun and a gas can with an unknown liquid in the car.

    The suspect was named as Mohamed R., a 39-year-old French national of North African origin and living in France.

    Madness, utter madness yet across the Western world governments are visiting this upon their own citizens.

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  18. Ekosj Member
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    Boss Mongo (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):
    Is Islam a faith or an ideology that controls all aspects of life, therefore not compatible with the West?

    Yes.

    Don’t just take it from Boss Mongo (though the Boss seems a fine source )

    Take it from one of the foremost Western scholars of all things Islam, Bernard Lewis…

    …here is an extract from Bernard Lewis, The Political Language of Islam (University of Chicago Press, 1988), pp. 2-3:

    “When we in the Western world, nurtured in the Western tradition, use the words “Islam” and “Islamic”, we tend to make a natural error and assume that religion means the same for Muslims as it has meant in the Western world, even in medieval times; that is to say, a section or compartment of life reserved for certain matters, and separate, or at least separable, from other compartments of life designed to hold other matters. That is not so in the Islamic world. It was never so in the past, and the attempt in modern times to make it so may perhaps be seen, in the longer perspective of history, as an unnatural aberration which in Iran has ended and in some other Islamic countries may also be nearing its end. “

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  19. The Reticulator Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):
    When we in the Western world, nurtured in the Western tradition, use the words “Islam” and “Islamic”, we tend to make a natural error and assume that religion means the same for Muslims as it has meant in the Western world, even in medieval times; that is to say, a section or compartment of life reserved for certain matters, and separate, or at least separable, from other compartments of life designed to hold other matters.

    If it’s just a separate compartment of life than it’s not really religion.

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  20. Ekosj Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):
    When we in the Western world, nurtured in the Western tradition, use the words “Islam” and “Islamic”, we tend to make a natural error and assume that religion means the same for Muslims as it has meant in the Western world, even in medieval times; that is to say, a section or compartment of life reserved for certain matters, and separate, or at least separable, from other compartments of life designed to hold other matters.

    If it’s just a separate compartment of life than it’s not really religion.

    Not to get off into the theological weeds … But I’d argue that “Give to Caesar that which is Caesar’s. Give to God that which is God’s” implies that there are  separations.    Indeed separation of church and state requires it.

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  21. She Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):
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    I think it is probably time to start arming more London police officers.

    Maybe the cops should carry guns?

    I suggested this to my sister, yesterday.

    Her response was, “but most of them don’t want to carry guns.”

    She worked as an independent contractor for the West Midlands Police for decades, and knows quite a few, so I’m sure she’s reporting their thoughts accurately.

    My response to her response was, “well, maybe after a few more days like today, they’ll change their minds.”

    She agreed that might be the case . . . .

    Something about certain events concentrating the mind springs to mind.

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  22. The Reticulator Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):
    Not to get off into the theological weeds … But I’d argue that “Give to Caesar that which is Caesar’s. Give to God that which is God’s” implies that there are separations. Indeed separation of church and state requires it.

    That’s actually a very good counter to my statement.  Or a limit on the extremes to which it could be taken.  Thanks for the reminder.

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  23. She Member
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    The perpetrator lived, till very recently, just down the road from my Auntie Pat, on the Hagley Road in Edgbaston (Birmingham).

    My brother-in-law flew down from Scotland on Tuesday morning to see the selfsame Auntie Pat, and rented his car at the same car rental branch that the perpetrator rented his from, on “Monday or Tuesday,” (according to the Telegraph).

    When you live in Birmingham (England’s second-largest city), they are that close.

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  24. Nanda Panjandrum Member
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    Yikes, She!

     

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  25. Old Bathos Member
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    Paddy S (View Comment):
    17. I forgot to add politicians and media talk about not giving in to violence and protecting our values.

    Which is meaningless. What are the West’s values today? Really ask a politician a writer or a celebrity who is informed. They will blather words. Meaningless words.

    Thats why in long term these extremists will win without God’s intervention. And we deserve to be defeated.

    And

    18.  The more modern, officially correct translation of “allahu akbar” is “my motives for doing this are unclear at this time.”

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