Admit it: Trump’s Victory Is a Win for Conservatives

 
Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT).

Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT).

Conservatives should be the first to recognize that Donald Trump’s victory was a win for them. Indeed, many forward-looking former NeverTrumpers have welcomed the electoral outcome. And yet, a few of the usual suspects still seem fixated on the fact that Trump is not one of us; and they are only tentatively accepting the proposition that Trump’s victory is preferable to that other of the two possible outcomes.

I sense that some of our colleagues are carefully positioning themselves and patiently biding their time in preparation to pounce. For the new President will certainly violate some conservative principle at some point, and those violations will certainly deserve clusters of posts asserting his assault on conservatism. We’ll be treated to dissertations on the damage that the Orange Populist has wrought on the “conservative brand.”

I get it that the “I told you so!” card is one of the most sought after cards in the deck; and I truly appreciate that many here are devoted to defending conservatism in its purest forms. But none of that moves conservatism forward in the real world. Sen. Mike Lee (R–UT) presents some surprising ideas on the importance of populism, and I’d like to zero in on this particular passage from the most principled of principled conservatives:

The chief political weakness of conservatism is its difficulty identifying problems that are appropriate for political correction. Conservatism’s view of human nature and history teaches us that problems are inevitable in this world and that attempts to use government to solve them often only make things worse.

This insight actually makes us good at finding solutions.

Populists, on the other hand, have an uncanny knack for identifying social problems. It’s when pressed for solutions that populists tend to reveal their characteristic weakness. Unable to draw on a coherent philosophy, populists can tend toward inconsistent or unserious proposals.

The rough terms of a successful partnership seem obvious. Populism identifies the problems; conservatism develops the solutions…

There is much to debate in Lee’s piece, but I’d like to pick up on this simple proposition and suggest that our primary focus right now should be exploiting the many opportunities that lie before us in the wake of our populist ally’s crushing defeat of the Democrats.

By all accounts, the Democratic Party a decrepit wreck. Breathe in the feeble despair over the popular vote. The Pelosi reaffirmation confirms that the party is a slave to its progressive instincts, obliviously doubling-down on identity politics at a time when its political potency has been buried under the rubble of a collapsed blue wall.

Let’s face it: Trump’s electoral strategy was a tremendous success. He not only won the election, but he decimated conservatives’ archenemy, attacking the leftist vision for America built by Pelosi/Reid/Obama, propped up by the media, and finally repudiated by an exhausted nation. The Clinton machine was “destined” to hold the corrupt, lawless Democrat coalition together long enough for demography to determine the arc of history. Thanks to Trump, the Obama phenomenon, including most of his administrative legacy as well as his Leftist rhetoric, can be deposited in that dustbin designated for debunked ideologies.

Populist Trump defeated candidate Clinton, but he also discredited the progressive support infrastructure throughout the media and academia. It is now abundantly clear that none of the conservative candidates could have delivered this kind of defeat to progressivism. Trump’s victory was decisive, and not merely partisan. It provides the greatest opportunity in decades to enact conservative reforms. He’s bringing serious people with conservative ambitions into his administration. Let’s get to work.

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  1. rico Inactive
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    Leigh: … I very much doubt that Trump would be operating within the bounds of the Constitution if we didn’t have the Constitution. I’m thankful we do have it.

    I too am thankful for the Constitution. But why would anyone operate within the bounds of a constitution that didn’t exist?

    Leigh: Would we be seeing that precise new version of the immigration policy if Trump had been elected absolute dictator of a land with no constitution?

    Why even posit such a scenario?

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  2. The Reticulator Member
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    rico: I too am thankful for the Constitution. But why would anyone operate within the bounds of a constitution that didn’t exist?

    Yet they do. Written constitutionalism is a relatively new gimmick in government, and I don’t mean that in a bad way when it comes to ours.  It’s not an absolute bulwark against anything, but it helps reinforce the boundaries between good and bad behavior that do exist, whether or not they are written down in a constitution.

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  3. Damocles Inactive
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    Leigh: The “Muslim ban” seems to have morphed into some quite reasonable immigration restrictions, and so forth. That doesn’t surprise me at all.

    If you would have been paying attention in the last year, you certainly shouldn’t be surprised, with all the people explaining that’s Trump’s MO… start bigger and more general, move towards smaller and more specific.  Astonishingly, the same strategy he recommends in his best-selling book.

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  4. rico Inactive
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    The Reticulator:

    rico: I too am thankful for the Constitution. But why would anyone operate within the bounds of a constitution that didn’t exist?

    Yet they do. Written constitutionalism is a relatively new gimmick in government, and I don’t mean that in a bad way when it comes to ours. It’s not an absolute bulwark against anything, but it helps reinforce the boundaries between good and bad behavior that do exist, whether or not they are written down in a constitution.

    Are they not operating within the bounds of an unwritten constitution? Don’t unwritten constitutions exist? @leigh is positing “a land with no constitution.”

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  5. Damocles Inactive
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    Man With the Axe:

    Paul Dougherty:

    Forgive me for indelicately pointing out that he is in the process of “shortening” the line of civilian authority over the military. Secondly, the fools on the left are probably gearing up for events that will appear as triggering pretext.

    I was thinking about this tonight watching the news about the Mattis appointment. But then I remembered Ike, who only left the army 5 years before taking office as the civilian commander in chief.

    I think the left and the TruCons are both going to be playing the same game for a while.  Watching someone successful, and jumping on the smaller percentage of things gotten wrong.  I think most people will start to ignore both.

    It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds;

    http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/trsorbonnespeech.html

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  6. Damocles Inactive
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    Casey:

    rico: Conservatives should be the first to recognize that Donald Trump’s victory was a win for them.

    Thanks, you don’t need to spin this for us. We lost, you won. It can’t go back now.

    Don’t be such a sourpuss!

    I’m in San Francisco, and people called in sick over the election results.  We literally had a group hug the next day. I wore a safety pin, pledging my life, fortune, and sacred honor to protect innocents against the neonazi hordes apparently surrounding the city!

    You better believe it was a victory for conservatives!

     

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  7. Damocles Inactive
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    TKC1101:

    Quake Voter:Trump’s win creates a new map for conservatives, and, sadly for some, a new conservative coalition which is far more center-right with some heavy upfront costs for small r Republicans to accept.

    It’s exciting and a little bit appalling.

    I fully expect conservatives to apply their minds to crafting effective policy which leads to increasing high value employment for as many citizens as possible, for citizens who are accumulating wealth are natural conservatives. It is a virtuous feedback loop. Ignoring the welfare of the electorate creates the dwindling demographic mess you were living in. The game for conservatism just went from slow death to potential big time win, if they can adapt.

    Mike Pence, your transition team can contact this man here by typing @tkc1101 !

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  8. Damocles Inactive
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    rico:

    Leigh: Would we be seeing that precise new version of the immigration policy if Trump had been elected absolute dictator of a land with no constitution?

    Why even posit such a scenario?

    It’s the same make believe land where Trump appoints his sister to the Supreme Court, his entire family to the Cabinet, and pushes the Red Button just to watch the world die!

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    Damocles: It’s the same make believe land where Trump appoints his sister to the Supreme Court, his entire family to the Cabinet, and pushes the Red Button just to watch the world die!

    When Reagan was running they told me he would start a nuclear war. I voted for him and never got one. I think they lie about that stuff.

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  10. Leigh Inactive
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    rico:

    Leigh: … I very much doubt that Trump would be operating within the bounds of the Constitution if we didn’t have the Constitution. I’m thankful we do have it.

    I too am thankful for the Constitution. But why would anyone operate within the bounds of a constitution that didn’t exist?

    Nobody, probably. That’s why we have one, because the Founders knew that and they wanted to control people like Trump.

    Leigh: Would we be seeing that precise new version of the immigration policy if Trump had been elected absolute dictator of a land with no constitution?

    Why even posit such a scenario?

    Because my point is that the Constitution has a significant impact on how Trump governs, and I think that’s what many #NeverTrumpers missed.

    Basically, if I follow you correctly, you find that point irrelevant because you disagree with the #NeverTrump analysis altogether and believe they should admit that events have proven them wrong — is that a fair summary?

    I don’t agree. I believe the #NeverTrump criticisms of Trump’s minimal commitment to conservative principle, his style of leadership, and his personal character were well taken and valid and have not been disproven.  I believe they erred in evaluating Trump in isolation, rather than Trump as President of the United States and stuck with Congress and the Supreme Court and re-election to think about.

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  11. Leigh Inactive
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    To put what I’m getting at more simply, I do not believe #NeverTrumpers erred in seeing in Trump exactly the kind of politician the Founders considered dangerous. What they missed is that — because of that — he’s also exactly the kind of politician the Founders built our political system around. Which means he’s much less dangerous in our context than he might be had they been less wise.

    And a thought exercise considering what might have been does no harm; it should only make us appreciate their wisdom more.

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  12. Leigh Inactive
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    Damocles:

    Leigh: The “Muslim ban” seems to have morphed into some quite reasonable immigration restrictions, and so forth. That doesn’t surprise me at all.

    If you would have been paying attention in the last year, you certainly shouldn’t be surprised, with all the people explaining that’s Trump’s MO… start bigger and more general, move towards smaller and more specific. Astonishingly, the same strategy he recommends in his best-selling book.

    I wasn’t surprised, as I noted. I’m not really surprised at a single decision he’s taken thus far, though that’ll change if he does put Romney at State — I wouldn’t have seen that one coming. (Nikki Haley at the UN — as opposed to some domestic role — does have me a little puzzled).

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  13. RightAngles Member
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    Leigh: (The popular vote doesn’t bother me — …)

    It shouldn’t. Because it’s meaningless. Had the election been based on it, both campaigns would have been run entirely differently. Also, millions of conservatives in California who stayed home knowing their votes don’t matter would have turned out. In addition, though, everyone knows that in all likelihood, millions of her votes were dead people or illegals. It is utterly devoid of meaning. Not that the Dems will admit it.

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  14. rico Inactive
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    Leigh: I believe the #NeverTrump criticisms of Trump’s minimal commitment to conservative principle, his style of leadership, and his personal character were well taken and valid and have not been disproven. I believe they erred in evaluating Trump in isolation, rather than Trump as President of the United States and stuck with Congress and the Supreme Court and re-election to think about.

    I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment here. This has been apparent to all/most of us who voted for Trump in the general despite opposing him in the primaries. It is the constraints imposed by the Constitution that emboldened us to elect him. Now, those constraints provide confidence that we can explore the numerous positive changes his administration can bring.

    So, other than my optimism and your “dictator” imagery, I think we’re pretty much in agreement.

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  15. Leigh Inactive
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    RightAngles:

    Leigh: (The popular vote doesn’t bother me — …)

    It shouldn’t. Because it’s meaningless. Had the election been based on it, both campaigns would have been run entirely differently. Also, millions of conservatives in California who stayed home knowing their votes don’t matter would have turned out. In addition, though, everyone knows that in all likelihood, millions of her votes were dead people or illegals. It is utterly devoid of meaning. Not that the Dems will admit it.

    Moreover because it was meaningless many people who would have been “reluctant Trump” in Ohio or Pennsylvania were “never Trump” in California and New York, and even Texas and Utah.  It’s hard to estimate how large that number was, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was sizable.

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  16. Leigh Inactive
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    rico:

    It is the constraints imposed by the Constitution that emboldened us to elect him. Now, those constraints provide confidence that we can explore the numerous positive changes his administration can bring.

    So, other than my optimism and your “dictator” imagery, I think we’re pretty much in agreement.

    I don’t know that we disagree on the optimism. I’m cautiously optimistic from a policy standpoint. If you have a problem with my “dictator imagery” I think you’re missing that I’m not using the word “dictator” as a comparison to anyone, I’m using it as a technical term with no connotation intended. Some rulers hold a lot more power than an American president, and Trump seems likely to be more dangerous with such powers than, say, Scott Walker would be. I don’t see why you have a problem with that observation if you basically agree with my assessment of Trump.

    Some conservatives who saw Trump that way underestimated the Constitution. That’s all I’m really saying. They saw “dictator Trump,” not a president-elect who needs Preibus, McConnell, Ryan, and a bunch of swing voters and queasy Republicans to get anything he wants and win re-election.

    FWIW, I had no problem with “reluctant” Trump voters, and my decision to go the other way was carefully considered and in no small part strategic.

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  17. Trinity Waters Member
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    Casey:

    rico: Conservatives should be the first to recognize that Donald Trump’s victory was a win for them.

    Thanks, you don’t need to spin this for us. We lost, you won. It can’t go back now.

    Not to be facetious, but who won and who lost exactly what?  My “spin” is that the citizenry won.

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  18. Bob Thompson Member
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    Leigh: And a thought exercise considering what might have been does no harm; it should only make us appreciate their wisdom more.

    Exactly why we don’t have her.

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  19. rico Inactive
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    Leigh: Some conservatives who saw Trump that way underestimated the Constitution. That’s all I’m really saying. They saw “dictator Trump,”…

    Well, if you’re criticizing Evan McMullin I’ll enthusiastically join you.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/white-house-hopeful-evan-mcmullin-on-donald-trump-i-know-a-dictator-when-i-see-one-2016-10-04

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  20. Leigh Inactive
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    rico:

    Leigh: Some conservatives who saw Trump that way underestimated the Constitution. That’s all I’m really saying. They saw “dictator Trump,”…

    Well, if you’re criticizing Evan McMullin I’ll enthusiastically join you.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/white-house-hopeful-evan-mcmullin-on-donald-trump-i-know-a-dictator-when-i-see-one-2016-10-04

    I didn’t have him specifically in mind but yes, he’s making exactly the mistake I’m pointing out — forgetting that the #1 trait of a dictator is “someone who holds absolute power” and forgetting that our political system works to squelch would-be dictators.

     

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  21. Sash Member
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    No, I can’t say it’s a win for Conservatives.  Since when do conservative dictate to business?  I am getting sick of Trump already.  Just sick of all the crowing.  Beginning to long for the lecturing of Obama over the constant media circus.

    For a couple of weeks it’s been fun watching the left melt down, but now, I’m just sick of the hypocrisy.

    This is not conservative, this is hubris.

    Trump stole my Party, and there is no place that stands up for what is right anywhere.  It’s about winning.

    Yuck.

     

    By the way McMullin is looking pretty smart right now.

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  22. Sash Member
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    And…

     

    Just once in my life I wish a good guy could win.  Just once.

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  23. rico Inactive
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    Sash: By the way McMullin is looking pretty smart right now.

    Who?

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  24. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    Sash:By the way McMullin is looking pretty smart right now.

    Sorry, I don’t think any person who validates the Left’s view of Republican voters as racist is smart or praiseworthy; its at least as bad as the gross hypocrisy exhibited by former free-market supporters who now attack anyone who criticizes Trump on that basis.  The only relevant difference between McMullin and Trump was that only one of the jerks was in a position to stop Hillary.

    I wish a good person would have won, too, but that wasn’t an option this year.

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  25. Leigh Inactive
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    Sash:And…

    Just once in my life I wish a good guy could win. Just once.

    That’s how I felt about Ron Johnson. He just deserved to be re-elected: solidly conservative, decent, boringly focused on actual work rather than showboating, and behind by double digits for months. The NRCC gave up on him, but by a few days before the election he’d narrowed it to one point, but everyone expected him to fall just short — but he won. With something like 70,000 votes more than Trump at that. It was just deeply satisfying — it was right.

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  26. The Reticulator Member
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    rico:

    The Reticulator:

    rico: I too am thankful for the Constitution. But why would anyone operate within the bounds of a constitution that didn’t exist?

    Yet they do. Written constitutionalism is a relatively new gimmick in government, and I don’t mean that in a bad way when it comes to ours. It’s not an absolute bulwark against anything, but it helps reinforce the boundaries between good and bad behavior that do exist, whether or not they are written down in a constitution.

    Are they not operating within the bounds of an unwritten constitution? Don’t unwritten constitutions exist? @leigh is positing “a land with no constitution.”

    I think we’re both getting away from her original meaning. Maybe let her explain. (Maybe she already did and I haven’t been keeping up.)

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  27. Leigh Inactive
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    The Reticulator:

    rico:

    The Reticulator:

    rico: I too am thankful for the Constitution. But why would anyone operate within the bounds of a constitution that didn’t exist?

    Yet they do. Written constitutionalism is a relatively new gimmick in government, and I don’t mean that in a bad way when it comes to ours. It’s not an absolute bulwark against anything, but it helps reinforce the boundaries between good and bad behavior that do exist, whether or not they are written down in a constitution.

    Are they not operating within the bounds of an unwritten constitution? Don’t unwritten constitutions exist? @leigh is positing “a land with no constitution.”

    I think we’re both getting away from her original meaning. Maybe let her explain. (Maybe she already did and I haven’t been keeping up.)

    I did… if you’re interested, see 70 and 76.

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  28. rico Inactive
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    The Reticulator:

    rico:

    The Reticulator:

    rico: I too am thankful for the Constitution. But why would anyone operate within the bounds of a constitution that didn’t exist?

    Yet they do. Written constitutionalism is a relatively new gimmick in government, and I don’t mean that in a bad way when it comes to ours. It’s not an absolute bulwark against anything, but it helps reinforce the boundaries between good and bad behavior that do exist, whether or not they are written down in a constitution.

    Are they not operating within the bounds of an unwritten constitution? Don’t unwritten constitutions exist? @leigh is positing “a land with no constitution.”

    I think we’re both getting away from her original meaning. Maybe let her explain. (Maybe she already did and I haven’t been keeping up.)

    She has, and we seem to be in accord.

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  29. Xennady Member
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    Sash:No, I can’t say it’s a win for Conservatives. Since when do conservative dictate to business?

    I remember hearing of the Bush administration going to court to prevent a small meatpacking company from testing every single one of its animals for mad cow disease (bovine spongiform encephalopathy.)

    WSJ story here, just to show that I’m not making this up.

    So there’s your answer.

    Precedents matter, and history matters. If you want to successfully argue against Trump and the Carrier deal you must pretend George W. Bush was never president.

    Protip: This won’t work. It didn’t work before the election, and it won’t work now. Too many people remember him and his administration, and not fondly.

    And Egbert McMuffin deserves nothing but contempt.

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  30. Severely Ltd. Inactive
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    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/12/03/what-exactly-is-the-nevertrumpumpkins-problem/

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