Evan McMullin Is Happy with Hillary as President

 

In a recent interview, Evan McMullin outlined his strategy for victory. He then stated that if he could not force the issue to the House by stopping both candidate from getting 270, he would be happy to have stopped Trump from being elected. According to the candidate himself, voting for Clinton or McMullin will lead to the happy outcome of a Clinton win. 

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  1. Columbo Inactive
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    29% of Ricochetti are all in for McMullen …. 

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  2. DocJay Inactive
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    Columbo:29% of Ricochetti are all in for McMullen ….

    As in mind a Clinton presidency less than a Trump one.  They have other reasons but this is what we get though.   At least he’s honest about it, I’ll give him that.

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  3. Hoyacon Member
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    In fairness, he did say his first objective is to stop them both.  It’s interesting that he doesn’t seem to regard HRC as a “true authoritarian,” unlike Trump.

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  4. The King Prawn Inactive
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    Hoyacon:In fairness, he did say his first objective is to stop them both. It’s interesting that he doesn’t seem to regard HRC as a “true authoritarian,” unlike Trump.

    Have we hashed out the question of which one is the bigger authoritarian?

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  5. TKC1101 Member
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    And someone from Goldman Sachs knows his authoritarians, mind you.  They have been buying and selling them for decades.

     

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  6. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    In what way can he stop Trump from winning by helping to elect Clinton?  That isn’t possible.  He doesn’t have a path to win if Clinton gets to 270 on her own and neither he nor Trump are likely to stop that from happening.

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  7. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    The King Prawn:

    Hoyacon:In fairness, he did say his first objective is to stop them both. It’s interesting that he doesn’t seem to regard HRC as a “true authoritarian,” unlike Trump.

    Have we hashed out the question of which one is the bigger authoritarian?

    Trump is a bigger authoritarian because its all he knows.  Clinton is an authoritarian because it serves her ideology.

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  8. HeartofAmerica Inactive
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    Dbroussa:

    The King Prawn:

    Hoyacon:In fairness, he did say his first objective is to stop them both. It’s interesting that he doesn’t seem to regard HRC as a “true authoritarian,” unlike Trump.

     

    Trump is a bigger authoritarian because its all he knows. Clinton is an authoritarian because it serves her ideology her bank account.

     

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  9. HeartofAmerica Inactive
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    Johnson/Weld is the same as well. They’ve been highly complimentary of Hillary and her public service. Oh my.

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  10. Mike LaRoche Inactive
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    McMullin is angling for a position in the Hilldebeast administration, but he’ll be sorely disappointed.

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  11. Jager Coolidge
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    Dbroussa:In what way can he stop Trump from winning by helping to elect Clinton? That isn’t possible. He doesn’t have a path to win if Clinton gets to 270 on her own and neither he nor Trump are likely to stop that from happening.

    Votes for McMullen count even in states that he does not win. So the margin of victory in Clinton’s 270 matters.  If McMullen can get people to vote for him, that would have otherwise (if McMullen was not in the race) voted for Trump, then he has affected the election without winning a single electoral college vote.

    For example (and this is just a random example not based on any polling) if Clinton wins Colorado 48-47 over Trump. And McMullen gets regular Republican voters to support him so that he gets 4% of the vote, he had effected the result, and helped Clinton to win.

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  12. Western Chauvinist Member
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    No, no, no! #NeverTrumpers don’t want either Trump or Clinton to be president!! I don’t know how many times they have to tell us this before we get it into our thick skulls. Didn’t McMullen get the memo?!

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  13. Z in MT Member
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    If Utah is the difference in the election then McMullin looks like a hero. I doubt that will happen.

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  14. Jager Coolidge
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    Jager:

    Dbroussa:In what way can he stop Trump from winning by helping to elect Clinton? That isn’t possible. He doesn’t have a path to win if Clinton gets to 270 on her own and neither he nor Trump are likely to stop that from happening.

    Votes for McMullen count even in states that he does not win. So the margin of victory in Clinton’s 270 matters. If McMullen can get people to vote for him, that would have otherwise (if McMullen was not in the race) voted for Trump, then he has affected the election without winning a single electoral college vote.

    For example (and this is just a random example not based on any polling) if Clinton wins Colorado 48-47 over Trump. And McMullen gets regular Republican voters to support him so that he gets 4% of the vote, he has effected the result, and helped Clinton to win.

     

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  15. Columbo Inactive
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    Western Chauvinist:No, no, no! #NeverTrumpers don’t want either Trump or Clinton to be president!! I don’t know how many times they have to tell us this before we get it into our thick skulls. Didn’t McMullen get the memo?!

    But the converse is always true … if you are NeverHillary, you are Pro-Trump.

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  16. Z in MT Member
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    Jager:

    Dbroussa:In what way can he stop Trump from winning by helping to elect Clinton? That isn’t possible. He doesn’t have a path to win if Clinton gets to 270 on her own and neither he nor Trump are likely to stop that from happening.

    Votes for McMullen count even in states that he does not win. So the margin of victory in Clinton’s 270 matters. If McMullen can get people to vote for him, that would have otherwise (if McMullen was not in the race) voted for Trump, then he has affected the election without winning a single electoral college vote.

    For example (and this is just a random example not based on any polling) if Clinton wins Colorado 48-47 over Trump. And McMullen gets regular Republican voters to support him so that he gets 4% of the vote, he had effected the result, and helped Clinton to win.

    Nobody that is voting for McMullin would have voted for Trump (except maybe Mormons). They would have voted for someone else or not at all.

    The Trump supporters have to realize that they made a terrible pick.

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  17. WI Con Member
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    Does anyone here seriously believe that the same House of Representatives that can’t find a way to cut spending, wets themselves at the sound of “shut down” is going to elect someone to the Presidency that didn’t get most votes or ran for the office?

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  18. Western Chauvinist Member
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    WI Con:Does anyone here seriously believe that the same House of Representatives that can’t find a way to cut spending, wets themselves at the sound of “shut down” is going to elect someone to the Presidency that didn’t get most votes or ran for the office?

    Can you imagine the dumpster fire that would ensue if they did??

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  19. Jager Coolidge
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    WI Con:Does anyone here seriously believe that the same House of Representatives that can’t find a way to cut spending, wets themselves at the sound of “shut down” is going to elect someone to the Presidency that didn’t get most votes or ran for the office?

    No, I made that same point on another post. I had to tell a Republican State Senator who McMullin was. He does not have any name recognition outside of Utah and Ricochet/NRO. There was never a real way for him to be President. He has now told us the goal is just to stop Trump.

    The House members are not going to their own voters and saying ” I know you voted Trump but we selected some guy you have never heard of to be President”

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  20. Hoyacon Member
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    The King Prawn:

    Hoyacon:In fairness, he did say his first objective is to stop them both. It’s interesting that he doesn’t seem to regard HRC as a “true authoritarian,” unlike Trump.

    Have we hashed out the question of which one is the bigger authoritarian?

    I’m not sure, but, when in doubt, go with the Democrat.

     

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  21. RightAngles Member
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    Jager:

    There was never a real way for him to be President. He has now told us the goal is just to stop Trump.

    I’m trying to imagine the Democrats pulling a stunt like this, and I can’t. No wonder we always lose. When will we stop this dumb behavior.

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  22. Hoyacon Member
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    RightAngles:

    Jager:

    There was never a real way for him to be President. He has now told us the goal is just to stop Trump.

    I’m trying to imagine the Democrats pulling a stunt like this, and I can’t. No wonder we always lose. When will we stop this dumb behavior.

    He will say “principled,” but I like dumb better.   If Rube Goldberg was a strategist, he’d come up with something like this.

     

     

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  23. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    Jager:

    For example (and this is just a random example not based on any polling) if Clinton wins Colorado 48-47 over Trump. And McMullen gets regular Republican voters to support him so that he gets 4% of the vote, he had effected the result, and helped Clinton to win.

    By that logic then Johnson is going to be an even bigger spoiler.  You assume that those who will vote for McMullin would have instead voted for Trump.  Most would not.  I was not going to vote for Trump and am happy that I have someone that I CAN vote for.

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  24. Xennady Member
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    Of course he’s happy with Hillary Clinton as president.

    He’s working hard to make it happen, after all.

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  25. Jager Coolidge
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    Dbroussa:

    Jager:

    For example (and this is just a random example not based on any polling) if Clinton wins Colorado 48-47 over Trump. And McMullen gets regular Republican voters to support him so that he gets 4% of the vote, he had effected the result, and helped Clinton to win.

    By that logic then Johnson is going to be an even bigger spoiler. You assume that those who will vote for McMullin would have instead voted for Trump. Most would not. I was not going to vote for Trump and am happy that I have someone that I CAN vote for.

    Sure it is an assumption. There is no polling on McMullin voters, he is included in virtually no polls. So there is no way to empirically state what his voters would do if he was not in the election. What I believe is that where McMullin gets votes he is pulling at least some votes from Trump and virtually no votes from Clinton. This may be out of date but the last time I looked at it I believe Johnson was pulling votes more equally from Trump and Clinton.

    There have been a number of states with very close elections in the past. Places like Florida, Ohio or the Minnesota Senate race. In a close election it may not have needed  all McMullin supporters to vote Trump, just some.

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  26. Bob Thompson Member
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    I am a registered Republican in Utah. I first became a Trump supporter when he became the Republican nominee. I agree with TKC1101 that the reason we have political parties is to elect candidates. I also think the fact that we have Trump signals the demise of the Republican Party in its form of the last 2 decades. Exactly what the formal outcome of this death or transformation will be, I don’t see, some others here may. But I do think the failure of traditional supporters of the GOP to support Trump as nominee may cause this death of the party to be more troublesome and lengthy than otherwise and enables the progressive enemy within to strengthen their position.

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  27. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    @jager I have only seen consistent polling for McMullin in Utah.  He has only seriously campaigned in UT, ID, and very lightly in GA.  The Morning Jolt even pointed out that no one has polled ID in ages because its so solidly Republican.  One wonders what might happen there this cycle.

    Outside of those two states, its unlikely that McMullin will draw even 1% of the vote for many reasons.  If Trump loses GA, it won’t be because of McMullin, and even if it was a slim margin that he loses…that is squarely on Trump and his terrible campaign.

    Well, that is how I see it.  Others can see it differently.  The really sad part is that here we are two weeks before the election and we already know that we have lost and are trying to fix blame.

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  28. Spiral9399 Inactive
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    I live in Indiana and I will be voting for Evan McMullin, even though McMullin isn’t officially a write-in candidate in Indiana.  So, there is some likelihood that my vote for McMullin won’t be counted.

    I have been never Trump as far back as 1992, when I saw Trump talking politics on David Letterman’s show.  In my opinion, Trump is a Leftist, which explains why he praised President Obama’s 2009 economic stimulus plan during an interview on Fox Business Channel and why he said during the 1st Republican presidential debate in 2015 that socialized medicine works “incredibly well.”

    If you give me the choice between two New York Leftists, don’t be surprised if I decide not to vote for either one.

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  29. Metalheaddoc Member
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    I think McMullin is banking on some degree of name recognition. If you aren’t looking too closely, the ballot will look like “Egg McMuffin”. Who wouldn’t vote for that, especially in the morning? Especially with his running mate being Hesh Brown-Coffey.

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  30. Jager Coolidge
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    Dbroussa: He has only seriously campaigned in UT, ID, and very lightly in GA.

    If I were trying to beat both Trump and Clinton, I would be campaigning in Florida, Virginia, Ohio. Or maybe expanding into Iowa, Colorado or Wisconsin. Take actual swing type states that both candidates need to win and push hard.

    I get that UT and ID give him Mormons, but these are also hard Red States. Winning here does not hurt Clinton at all. Winning here only insures that even if Trump performs well in Purple states, Trump cannot win.

    Basically he is doing what his quote says. He might like to win, but the important thing is that Trump loses.

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