Why Trump’s “Wait and See” Was Brilliant

 

trumpIf you hear someone hyperventilating over Trump’s reply on automatically accepting the election results, tell them to take a breath. First, remember, that 41 percent of people now think things are rigged. And most remember eight years of Democrats claiming that Bush was not in office legitimately, and Gore demanding a recount.

Contrary to received wisdom, Trump was brilliant to say he would wait to see if the election was rigged. Why? First, the media will pick this up, criticize it (which will make Trump supporters feel they are right to be concerned), and carry it into the ether for Mr. Trump … more earned media on his point.

Second and more important, saying he’d “wait and see” about the election outcome was the only answer that fit his entire raison d’être as a candidate: standing up to a corrupt system, uncowed, and fighting for fairness.

Had he said he’d accept any outcome, his supporters would have thought, “He’s effectively told them it is OK to cheat! Now they actually can cheat since he’s effectively conceded in advance and we’re screwed!”

Instead, now they think that this will be a caution to Democrats not to cheat, and if Trump loses, expect him – as his supporters will – to first verify that he actually lost fair and square, that they weren’t cheated – and only then accept defeat.

Anything less and they’d wonder what happened to their champion.

As with Trump’s pattern for the last year, he starts with an extreme statement (garnering earned media), and ends at a reasonable result. All his remark was saying last night, translated into safe, no-earned media speak, was “We’re going to make sure this election is fair.”

It would be a good message for the GOP to echo and support.

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  1. CM Inactive
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.:

    Heather Higgins:Contrary to received wisdom, Trump was brilliant to say he would wait to see if the election was rigged. Why?

    A few thoughts:

    1. The fact that Trump so regularly alleges fraud and unfairness serverely undermines his claims here. One of the things that so distressing about that habit is that it’ll make it much easier for the Democrats to get away with cheating, if that’s what happens. Boys, wolves, and all that.
    2. I agree there’s nothing wrong with Trump saying that he’ll wait and see until afterward; after all, if there is clear evidence of fraud, then he should contest it. However, he’s going around alleging that it’s fraud now.

    Much easier as opposed to not being challenged at all?

    Come on. I’m tired of this. We, the intellectual party, only cares about perception when it is how the enemy pereives us.

    News flash: They already think we are stupid.

    The R party has been bleeding voters because it does not care about the perceptions of its own base. All of the issues, like being vetoed on Obamacare repeals, tat were going to result in media backlash, they should have trusted their base to have their back.

    Look at the abuse Trump supporters are willing to deal with. You think we would give less to Boehner and Rubio if they had just stood up and TRIED? Without apologizing for offending people or for their base’s baseness.

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  2. Postmodern Hoplite Coolidge
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    The only relevant question is, “Does Trump’s statement here draw more undecided voters into his column, or doesn’t it?”

    If Mr. Trump’s supporters like it, great. However, they are already likely to vote for him. Are Mrs. Clinton’s supporters collapsing with the vapors over it? So what? They’ll dispute that the sky is blue and grass is green if Mr. Trump were to say so.

    Does making argument that the election is systematically unfair towards him, and then suggesting he might not recognize the final results, advance his electoral strength among undecideds?

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  3. Tom Meyer Member
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    Viator:

    Tom Meyer, Ed.: Trump so regularly alleges fraud and unfairness serverely undermines his claims here

    Election sleuthing by Brian Maass of KCNC-TV in Denver exposed multiple instances in recent years where dead Coloradans were still voting. A dead World War II veteran named John Grosso voted in a 2006 primary election, and a woman named Sara Sosa who died in 2009 cast ballots in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. Mrs. Sosa’s husband Miguel died in 2008, but a vote was cast in his name one year later.

    I am not denying that voter fraud happens or that it’s a serious problem.

    I am saying that Trump’s been whining since the primaries began about how everyone is unfair to him and the system’s rigged, etc.

    Again, one of the reasons why this is so destructive is that it makes it that much harder to nail the democrats for their abuses; crying wolf is dangerous because then no one believes you when the wolf actually shows up.

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  4. JimGoneWild Coolidge
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    Trump, Keep fighting.

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  5. Cato Rand Inactive
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    Mike H:

    Cato Rand:

    Mike H:*rolls eyes*

    Only 20 more days of this… only 20 more…

    I wonder what Trump would have to do to convince Heather that he’s not brilliant?

    I get the impression burnt toast would look brilliant to Heather if it was running for president and had an (R) next to it.

    Oy vey.  I guess sarcasm violates the CoC now.  How ’bout them unicorns and rainbows?

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  6. I Walton Member
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    yes he protests too much, but you’re right this was the only answer available to him, but he should have limited it to voter fraud.  I’m sick of hearing Democrats and many Republicans say there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.  Why do the Democrats oppose voter I.D?  Why do Democrats carry with outsized majorities precincts with powerful urban Democrat machines.   The most frequent voter fraud is vote harvesting where some operative votes the name of a registered voter, the less likely to actually show up the better, non existent or dead people are the best but anyone of either party reliably known by the end of the voting day to be a non voter, is also as good as gold.

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  7. CM Inactive
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    Postmodern Hoplite: Does making argument that the election is systematically unfair towards him, and then suggesting he might not recognize the final results, advance his electoral strength among undecideds?

    It largely depends on how receptive independents are to learning if there is corruption in voting.

    If our “reasonable” media (as opposed to the “in the tank” media) would stop the cries of Trump’s uncouth behavior and spread what Valiuth posted across conservative media, independents may be more likely to have a favorable reaction.

    Right now, people who do a cursory look for election/voter fraud only find verified instances of Republicans doing it. There is something wrong with that if, indeed, democrats do it too.

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  8. Israel P. Inactive
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.: The fact that Trump so regularly alleges fraud and unfairness serverely undermines his claims here. One of the things that so distressing about that habit is that it’ll make it much easier for the Democrats to get away with cheating, if that’s what happens. Boys, wolves, and all that.

    Because it triggers a vigorous denial by the sensible Republicans, that they are stuck with no much matter what happens. Hugh Hewitt is a prime example of this phenomenon.

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  9. Tyler Boliver Inactive
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    A lot of spinning here, especially considering a month ago it was being argued that Trump was just like Ronald Reagan. Of course he isn’t, and that comparison was rather insulting to the Gipper.

    Trump isn’t going to come close to Reagan, in fact a betting man now is debating just how bad Trump is going to LOSE. Reagan was underestimated, but deep down was a brilliant man. Trump? He’s a bloviating moron, who is barely able to argue in complete sentences.

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  10. Publius Inactive
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    Cato Rand:

    Mike H:*rolls eyes*

    Only 20 more days of this… only 20 more…

    I wonder what Trump would have to do to convince Heather that he’s not brilliant?

    Lose an election?

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  11. matt.corbett Inactive
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    I’ll try to be civil, but this is crazy

    1. The reason so many people think things are rigged is precisely because irresponsible people like Trump keep saying so. Trump has created/coalesced a constituency that will believe anything he tells them, and he’s mostly been telling them lies. Trump is pandering to a belief that he bears some responsibility for creating
    2. Higgins implicitly assumes that Trump is doing this all for show, since at no point does she even imply that Trump has any basis in reality for saying “wait and see.” Instead it’s all about catering to the (presumably false?) beliefs among some of his supporters. This is cynical on a level that is repulsive, given the matter in question.
    3. The only acceptable reason for a candidate to dispute the legitimacy of an election is hard, tangible evidence of fraud on a scale to be decisive. To adopt a “wait and see” approach is to implcicalty claim that massive-scale fraud is likely. A candidate doing that without evidence is unnacceptably reckless
    4. Lets look at the scales here: on one side we have “winning” 2-3 news cycles, but only amongst committed supporters. On the other we have threatening to dispute the legitimacy of a presidential election and alienating / terrifying undecided voters who are undecided on whether Trump is too crazy to support even in the face of Clinton’s corruption. Even if one is max cynical about things, this is just a terrible cost/benefit choice
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  12. James Lileks Contributor
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    Israel P.:

    Because it triggers a vigorous denial by the sensible Republicans, that they are stuck with no much matter what happens. Hugh Hewitt is a prime example of this phenomenon.

    You mean this guy?

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  13. Damocles Inactive
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    Tyler Boliver: Trump? He’s a bloviating moron, who is barely able to argue in complete sentences.

    He’s from New York.  There’s a difference!

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  14. Trinity Waters Member
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    James Lileks:

    Trinity Waters: I didn’t get the basis for 2., James. Of course he plays the media, but I don’t understand if you’re commenting, agreeing or arguing with Heather’s post.

    Not arguing with Heather per se. It’s just that there seems to be a contradiction between “he says politically incorrect things! That’s why he’s winning!” and “he says politically incorrect things then walks them back! That’s why he’s winning!” Although I suppose it depends on the blurt du jour.

    Gotcha, thanks.

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  15. Trinity Waters Member
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    matt.corbett: To adopt a “wait and see” approach is to implcicalty claim that massive-scale fraud is likely. A candidate doing that without evidence is unnacceptably reckless

    That’s a powerful claim.  Has any candidate in the past ever been asked about this issue?  Has any one of them proactively stated they’d accept any outcome, even despite grievous irregularities?  Why is stating that you’ll wait until presented with the situation before giving a definitive decision reckless?  Anyway, using the word reckless implies some damage.  Who would be damaged?

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  16. Mike H Inactive
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    Cato Rand:

    Mike H:

    Cato Rand:

    Mike H:*rolls eyes*

    Only 20 more days of this… only 20 more…

    I wonder what Trump would have to do to convince Heather that he’s not brilliant?

    I get the impression burnt toast would look brilliant to Heather if it was running for president and had an (R) next to it.

    Oy vey. I guess sarcasm violates the CoC now. How ’bout them unicorns and rainbows?

    Yeah, was I expressing bad faith, or simply a bad attempt at a joke? Perhaps I should have put a wink after it ;)

    Either way, sorry Heather!

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  17. matt.corbett Inactive
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    Trinity Waters:

    That’s a powerful claim. Has any candidate in the past ever been asked about this issue? Has any one of them proactively stated they’d accept any outcome, even despite grievous irregularities? Why is stating that you’ll wait until presented with the situation before giving a definitive decision reckless? Anyway, using the word reckless implies some damage. Who would be damaged?

    The normal and correct way for a candidate to answer is “Of course I’ll accept the outcome. What kind of question is that?” because the operating assumption is and should be that the process is legitimate. The possibility ex ante that fraud could decide the election should be treated by candidates as so remote as to not be worth discussing as a hypothetical, in part because “I will dispute fraud” should go without saying. If during or afterwards that assumption turns out to be shaky (e.g. Franken/Coleman in MN in ’08 or , Rossi/Gregoire in WA in ’06) only then do you start picking “accept the outcome” fights. As a practical matter, suggesting in advance the possibility of widespread fraud accomplishes nothing except eroding trust. Even if a candidate does expect fraud, the way to go about dealing with it is to have poll watchers on election day and report irregularities ahead of time to police. Only if those aren’t dealt with do you start raising a stink.

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  18. Fritz Coolidge
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    I was surprised Trump did not refer to the news story of this week about the organized efforts to commit vote fraud, per the Project Veritas video. If he had added a little context and reminded viewers of Al Gore’s not accepting the election in 2000, he still would have made the point while giving a lot less ammo to the pearl-clutching media.

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  19. CM Inactive
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    Fritz:I was surprised Trump did not refer to the news story of this week about the organized efforts to commit vote fraud, per the Project Veritas video. If he had added a little context and reminded viewers of Al Gore’s not accepting the election in 2000, he still would have made the point while giving a lot less ammo to the pearl-clutching media.

    I think we all may fall into this trap that we expect something big to have been heard of by a lot of people and need not have direct reference.

    I’m continually surprised how my right-leaning friends haven’t heard much of what I have to the point of shock when I tell them. Like the Muhammad video maker… I still have to look this up to make sure *I* am not crazy because no one else knows about it.

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  20. Wiley Inactive
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    Heather Higgins: As with Trump’s pattern for the last year, he starts with an extreme statement (garnering earned media), and ends at a reasonable result.

    Yes, I believe a recent biography of him quotes Trump as saying he uses “hyperbolic truth” to garner media attention. It has worked brilliantly.

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  21. Wiley Inactive
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.: The fact that Trump so regularly alleges fraud and unfairness serverely undermines his claims here. One of the things that so distressing about that habit is that it’ll make it much easier for the Democrats to get away with cheating, if that’s what happens. Boys, wolves, and all that.

    Where has he alleged fraud where there actually was none?  To be like the boy who cried wolf, one must cry wolf when there is none. I see plenty of wolves.

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  22. Randy Webster Inactive
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    MarciN: Does she think those labels are attached to documents frivolously by the military and our intelligence agencies?

    Actually, they probably are.  I’d guess that lots of stuff is classified merely from force of habit.

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  23. Randy Webster Inactive
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    matt.corbett: As a practical matter, suggesting in advance the possibility of widespread fraud accomplishes nothing except eroding trust

    He isn’t eroding my trust.  I already have zero trust in the electoral system.

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  24. Wiley Inactive
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.:I am saying that Trump’s been whining since the primaries began about how everyone is unfair to him and the system’s rigged, etc.

    Again, one of the reasons why this is so destructive is that it makes it that much harder to nail the democrats for their abuses; crying wolf is dangerous because then no one believes you when the wolf actually shows up.

    Tom, I reviewed the article you linked. From my perch, the ten examples of Trump false claims were in fact truthful claims of wolves were there were indeed wolves.

    Item 1. Trump complained that the Emmys were rigged. Well, I believe Oscars, Emmys, Nobel and awards in general are all political, not to mention academic tenure, and now even science. Thus Trump is accurate. Wolf.

    Items 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 are all complaints about biased media. Is there any dispute that the media is biased against Trump? Wolf.

    Item 7 is a complaint about Khizr Khan as not knowing what’s in the constitution. As tempting as that might be, it is unlikely Trump is so ignorant. Wolf.

    Item 8 is a complaint Clinton “spent hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads on me, many of which are absolutely untrue.” We all know that is true. Wolf.

    Item 9. At the second debate Trump said “One on three.” True, Wolf.

    Item 10. During the second debate, Trump complained that Clinton was getting more time to speak. True Wolf.

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  25. Wiley Inactive
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    (I am limited to 250 words so I will continue)

    Tom Meyer, Ed.:I am saying that Trump’s been whining since the primaries began about how everyone is unfair to him and the system’s rigged, etc.

    Again, one of the reasons why this is so destructive is that it makes it that much harder to nail the democrats for their abuses; crying wolf is dangerous because then no one believes you when the wolf actually shows up.

    The claim against Trump is not falsehood, but a variant of bad decorum. For example, if one fails to get an Emmy, it is bad decorum to complain. We are past good decorum. The democrats use our decorum against use, so the electorates have chosen a fighter and wisely so. Let him do what others have failed to do. Even without decorum he is at least fighting back. It is more than I can say for most Republicans.

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  26. Salvatore Padula Inactive
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    Wiley: Even without decorum he is at least fighting back. It is more than I can say for most Republicans.

    Lord Cardigan was a fighter. I suppose ours is not to reason why…

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  27. Damocles Inactive
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    Wiley:

    Heather Higgins: As with Trump’s pattern for the last year, he starts with an extreme statement (garnering earned media), and ends at a reasonable result.

    Yes, I believe a recent biography of him quotes Trump as saying he uses “hyperbolic truth” to garner media attention. It has worked brilliantly.

    I think he talks about this approach in his book. Basically start bigger and more general, work toward smaller and more specific.

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  28. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Israel P.: Only because they thought it would make Hillary’s job easier. Oh yeah, and ratings.

    It’s amazing (and a little sad) how many people did exactly what the media told them to do, and still think they’re sticking it to the man.

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  29. Trinity Waters Member
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    matt.corbett:

    Trinity Waters:

    That’s a powerful claim. Has any candidate in t… Anyway, using the word reckless implies some damage. Who would be damaged?

    The normal and correct way for a candidate to answer is “Of course I’ll accept the outcome. What kind of question is that?” because the operating assumption is and should be that the process is legitimate.

    Where do you apply for the “normal and correct” parsing tool?  I want one, too!  A majority of citizens do not assume the process is secure or legitimate anymore.  All Trump said was that he’ll answer if and when an issue arises.  You and others speak as if he’s the incumbent and may decide not to call the moving van in January.

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  30. Salvatore Padula Inactive
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    Wiley:

    Yes, I believe a recent biography of him quotes Trump as saying he uses “hyperbolic truth” to garner media attention. It has worked brilliantly.

    Except it hasn’t. We’ve yet to see if it worked brilliantly. At the moment it looks like Trump’s strategy of “hyperbolic truth” is simply the mirror image of Jeb!’s, “lose the primary to win the general” strategy.

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