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The Big Lie: Protecting Our Borders
If you were told that “Obama says it’s okay to come to the US,” wouldn’t you make the trip? That’s what people in Mexico are told, and they are also learning that they only need to say the right words to be able to stay here: “political asylum.”
Based on a piece produced by KUSI TV in San Diego, it’s clear that the Obama administration has no regard for the American people or for protecting our borders. Daniel Plante, a reporter with the TV station spoke to Chris Harris of the National Border Patrol Council about the current border issues in San Diego.
https://youtu.be/FsTMt1WHHJU
In the video, Harris reminds Plante that Congress approved funds for 2,000 more border patrol agents, but the funds have not been used to hire new agents. The partial walls are not walls, but are fences that provide little security for our border. They are sometimes destroyed or crawled over. In his comments, Harris explained that the border patrol is little more than a welcoming committee: illegal aliens are given food, blankets and medical supplies by the border patrol. They are then driven to the San Ysidro bus stop on our side of the border and dropped off. And they are also provided with more food, blankets, and medicine to take home with them.
To replace fences with walls, according to Harris, will be extremely expensive. Meanwhile, fences without an appropriate infrastructure to support them, will be useless.
The most telling story was about a man who crossed illegally and explained he had a heart condition. Of course, he was provided heart surgery in a US hospital.
Do people think the wall, with the necessary support technology will ever happen?
Published in Immigration
This conversation reminds me of why I took a break from Ricochet. Too many you know whats.Eds: Please don’t insult other Ricochet members.
I’m sorry you feel that way, Spin. There were some heated exchanges, but nothing compared to what I’ve seen on other posts. And some of the later comments were quite thoughtful. There was no name calling; just challenges that mainly asked people to respond to questions. Maybe I’m becoming inured to comments that are made; I’m trying to look at posts through a prism of tolerating passion and a commitment to sharing ideas. That is a commitment we all share. I’d be open to hearing how the conversation might have been more productive or helpful.
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I’m always in trouble with the teachers…
I think that when someone says “I believe X”, then someone else says “X is an untenable position, and you know it, and you haven’t explained to my satisfaction why you hold X or how you think X will work, so therefore you must not actually believe X, you actually believe Y, and this is just typical from you, telling us you believe X when you know and we know you believe Y” and then they top that all off with “just like the liberals” then I’m of the opinion that person is being unfriendly and unkind.
It really is no different than “What? Aren’t voting for Trump? You want Hillary to get elected then!”
So maybe people should stop doing that.
I hear you (or read you), Spin! Sometimes people say annoying things, even unkind things. But at least for me, that says more about them than the person(s) they’re criticizing. I’m getting better at letting that stuff go personally, but lots of others are more sensitive. I appreciate that you are looking out for them.
I hear one never expects the Fred Cole…
This is an interesting comment and I missed it earlier so I wanted to respond.
I don’t agree with anything you’ve said here. You are absolutely right. But here is the problem I have with this line of reasoning. As long as there are illegal Mexicans coming across the border and getting “free” health care, folks will stand on their soap box. “Don’t tell me I have to give up my social security until we stop paying for all those illegals!” someone once said to me.
But Fred and I are both of the camp that both the free health care and the social security need to go away. I just did a casual search to see if I could find out how much we spend on illegal immigrants, and I found the figure to be $113B. By contrast, we spend $888B on Social Security.
Now you can make the case that the social security is paid for by Americans, and doled out to Americans, and that is a fair distinction to make.
But you cannot complain about the federal deficit in the context of immigration, unless you are also willing to complain about Social Security, not when we spend 8 times on it. And not when the gubmint is taking hundreds and hundreds of dollars of my money to give to people who claim “it’s their money.”
This makes me laugh. I meant to say “I don’t disagree.” I could edit it, but it’s funny. “I don’t agree with anything you’ve said, and you are absolutely right!”
Spin- “But you cannot complain about the federal deficit in the context of immigration, unless you are also willing to complain about Social Security, not when we spend 8 times on it. And not when the gubmint is taking hundreds and hundreds of dollars of my money to give to people who claim “it’s their money.”
Why? What is your point? How does the spending of Social Security to Americans equal monies spent on people illegally in America?
Is Social Security ‘illegal’?
Because you and Fred think both spending allotments should go away conflates the two how?
Illegals = Social Security thus Illegals = Medicade thus Illegals = Military spending… what is this line of reasoning?
I can’t answer that question, because I didn’t suggest that.
I don’t think so, but it should be. I also don’t think it is illegal to spend tax payer dollars on taking care of an illegal Mexican, but it should be as well.
You will have to answer this question, because I did not suggest such a thing.
Again, you’ll have to explain this to yourself, because I did not suggest, intimate, imply, nor otherwise communicate such a line of reasoning.
Ponzi schemes are illegal, so yes.
Oh yeah, well of course. I forgot. So yes.
This is a question I can answer. My point to Ms. Bart is just that we spend a hell of a lot more money on Social Security than we do on caring for illegal immigrants. But you can’t talk about doing away with Social Security and not have the folks get out their torches and pitch forks. But if you are going to complain about the $20T debt we have then you gotta talk about the whole deal, not just one little smidgin. And I’ve brought Social Security up to folks in the past only to have them say “Well when we aren’t paying illegals to come here and take our jobs then…” Which is just a childish way to respond.
Lily Bart:
When did I ever say I was supportive of the Social Security program? You’re putting words in my mouth and arguing in bad faith. Listen, if you’re going to spend time accusing me of misrepresenting someone’s position, don’t turnaround and do the same to me in less than 24 hours, ok?
I didn’t suggest that you supported Social Security. Nor did I suggest you didn’t. I was simply using that as example, because it is a large part of the federal budget. See?
Also: I’m rubber, yer glue…what ever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.
We will never eliminate Social Security, but it desperately needs to be reformed. Anyone who cares about the future of this country needs to accept changing Social Security, for starters making the retirement age later. At least.
I’ll drink to that!
And I’ve said a number of times that we can afford to take less, since we have money put away. So there!
From my paycheck to your social security check!
I’m off for Shabbat, but please do carry on in my absence. My prayers go out to those in North Florida and in the Carolinas. Stay safe.
This from the man who wrote a post a few years ago carping about how he was a sucker for working while other people lived off benefits …
Does Fred Cole support the federal law that requires hospitals render emergency services and not turn people away?
Is Fred Cole willing to live in a libertarian world without it?
The answers to these questions can be inferred but I want it known for the record.
This is related to another question, “Can businesses discriminate against their customers, like customers discriminate against where to do business?” A major libertarian purity test.