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The Big Lie: Protecting Our Borders
If you were told that “Obama says it’s okay to come to the US,” wouldn’t you make the trip? That’s what people in Mexico are told, and they are also learning that they only need to say the right words to be able to stay here: “political asylum.”
Based on a piece produced by KUSI TV in San Diego, it’s clear that the Obama administration has no regard for the American people or for protecting our borders. Daniel Plante, a reporter with the TV station spoke to Chris Harris of the National Border Patrol Council about the current border issues in San Diego.
https://youtu.be/FsTMt1WHHJU
In the video, Harris reminds Plante that Congress approved funds for 2,000 more border patrol agents, but the funds have not been used to hire new agents. The partial walls are not walls, but are fences that provide little security for our border. They are sometimes destroyed or crawled over. In his comments, Harris explained that the border patrol is little more than a welcoming committee: illegal aliens are given food, blankets and medical supplies by the border patrol. They are then driven to the San Ysidro bus stop on our side of the border and dropped off. And they are also provided with more food, blankets, and medicine to take home with them.
To replace fences with walls, according to Harris, will be extremely expensive. Meanwhile, fences without an appropriate infrastructure to support them, will be useless.
The most telling story was about a man who crossed illegally and explained he had a heart condition. Of course, he was provided heart surgery in a US hospital.
Do people think the wall, with the necessary support technology will ever happen?
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Yes. Trump is a man of great pride an I expect his specific promises will get done. If Hillary is elected we might as well cease all border security. to save the money.
What did you want to happen to him?
Honestly? I think he should have been sent home. If we start providing free health care to illegal immigrants, Fred, like CA is trying to do, the system will crash even faster than projections and we won’t be able to care for our own citizens. I’m not saying it would be easy to do that, but we don’t know that his life was in immediate danger. I might feel differently if he was in the middle of a heart attack.
Okay, so they find a guy. He says he has a heart condition. And whatever the situation is, it’s dire enough that they take him to the hospital.
Your response is … send him home?
That’s your notion of decency? Those are the values you hold?
Citizens are being turned down for surgery if they cannot pay. There are Veterans who cannot see a doctor and die.
The concept that people from other countries have a blank check on our resources while our own citizens do not is a conceit of the non thinking left.
Some of us have traded in a life’s work for medical care and had to start over. I guess we need Fred-Cole Care, where all is free based on need.
I don’t know how dire it was, Fred. We don’t know what he meant by a “heart condition,” how serious it was, what needed to be done. The value of what you call decency has to be balanced with the rule of law and the message it sends to other illegals and even to our own citizens. I’d point to TKC’s comment #5, too. The man knew he was breaking the law, was willing to do so, at his own risk.
It was serious enough that the authorities who found him took him to the hospital. But your solution is to send him back to Mexico.
And you’re okay with that? That’s your idea of compassion? That’s your idea of mercy?
If it’s emergency surgery, and they’re taken to an ER, federal law says they cannot be denied service. You talk about the conceits of the non thinking left, but just spouted one.
I never said it should be free. I never said he shouldn’t be sent a bill. Once again, it is you who are resorting to the conceits of the non thinking left.
I merely asked if, when a guy says he has a heart condition, whether “Send him home” was a response that fit within Susan’s values and sense of compassion and decency.
Fred, please calm down and get real. He was sent to the hospital by policy, not medical evaluation of need. It is pure CYA bureaucratic snarfle.
Do you think the agents who got him ran an EKG and fell back on their years of cardiac surgery knowledge to know or the Obama rules, in the Spanish pamphlets printed by the Mexican government on how to stay in the USA and avoid return is to demand medical care.
I think your friends here would call your comment an ‘argument by authority’.
So @fredcole, we the American taxpayers should provide free medical care to the world? Anyone who can get across our borders. I work in the ER of a major University hospital. EVERY day, we see 5- 10 patients who are illegals and come for “emergency dialysis”. Each patient needs dialysis 2-4 times a week. So they get cycled through the ER, and and we send them to dialysis. This is one hospital, multiply by thousands. The following is a screen capture for a patient…
[This image has been temporarily taken down. We asked Kozak to further blur the part that could conceivably be deciphered if someone were sufficiently determined. We don’t think it could be, and there was no problem with the image that we could see on our screens. But we’d rather be safe, since we’re not sure what it looks like on screens with better resolution. The image showed a staggeringly large number of visits.]
About 100 visits a year. Thats ONE patient. Example of ONE disease process.
So yeah, I think the illegal should be sent home for his surgery.
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AS an ER doctor Mr Cole, who pays me for my services in these cases? Enlighten me.
Now you’re putting words in my mouth.
But let me ask you something as a medical professional. You run into someone in the outside world who expresses to you that they have a heart condition. Do you ship them off somewhere (some government processing center on the way to Mexico or something), or do you make sure they’re not in acute distress?
I am shocked, shocked, that someone who thinks it is immoral to force you to fight to protect America, is all for putting a gun to someone’s head and ordering them to pay for or absorb the costs for a criminal’s surgery.
@fredcole You pay for it with your money. Don’t demand I pay for it with mine, and use force to see it through.
No he is not. Your statement is clear: You want to force the doctor to take care of the person free of charge, or you want the American Taxpayer to pay for it. Unless you are on offer to pay for it yourself, of course.
You may never have had to bill anyone, but let me tell you, billing someone does not equal getting paid. Especially people with no money.
I’d make sure he wasn’t in immediate danger. Then I would send him to Mexico.
Who’d you think was going to pay for his treatment?
This is why charity is (should be) a personal thing, not a government / collective thing. You don’t have the right to bring ruin to one person trying to help another.
One other thing. If we had a border fence and visa controls much of this would be a non issue.
Lots of ER groups see 35- 45% non pay rates. Not only do we have to provide free care for illegals, we have provide them with professional translation services in the ER. In one day recently I needed Urdu, Arabic, Spanish and Malay.
I’m not sure how you got that from what I said…
I didn’t say you should pay for it. I didn’t say that “we” should pay for it. I asked whether “send him home” was an appropriate response to a person in distress.
And just to be clear, just because you’ve branded him as a “criminal” does not mean that he’s not a human being.
Yes. Because if there’s one thing that rabid libertarians like myself believe in, it’s state funded healthcare.
Okay. That’s interesting. Let me dissect that.
Why would you do the first part before the second?
So how do I get paid for seeing those patients under the EMTALA law you quoted, and are oh so compassionate about ? Enlighten me oh noble Libertarian.
Just to clarify, that figure includes people other than “illegals,” right?
And do you have to provide translators for everyone if they need it, or just “illegals”?
Because thats what I do. But once their “emergency” is over, they should be sent home for the rest of their care.
I would love to see open-borders types try spouting their pious nonsense after having lived on the U.S.-Mexico border for the better part of two decades, as I did.
You are advocating for it here. Don’t play coy. You did not just ask the question, you clearly think he should be treated here. Your answer later was “bill him”. Unless you say here, that you want to pay for him with your own money, then you are asking others to do it. The moment that is tax dollar one, you are demanding that money be extracted from others by force and used for the ends you prefer.
Frankly, you are a lousy spokesperson for libertarainism. Usually, libertarians are much more consistent.
Yes. But why do you do that? Because that’s what you’re paid to do? Or because you’re require to do so out of a sense of medical ethics and human decency?
I have such a good comeback for that, but I think it would get redacted.
Yeah we have to provide anyone who doesn’t speak English with an interpreter. It’s just a coincidence that most of them are illegals, or on Medicaid. So we get next to zero in reimbursement for doing it. Not many people show up unable to speak any English and have a nice insurance policy.
Again, enlighten me on where the money to pay for this to come from.