Never Trump Forces Halted on Convention Floor

 

Mike Lee RNCMany were predicting a floor battle Monday at the the Republican National Convention and they certainly got one.

A group of delegates, led by Sen. Mike Lee of Utah and Ken Cuccinelli of Virginia, sought to unbind delegates from voting for the presumptive Republican nominee. A majority of delegates from nine states had agreed to their plan for a roll call vote on the official party rules, and they only needed seven states to make the plan stick. Another key part to their effort was to encourage states to hold closed primaries, allowing only Republicans to vote.

Rep. Steve Womack of Arkansas was presiding at the time and insisted on a voice vote only. Many Never Trump supporters in the crowd shouted “roll call vote” and “point of order,” while pro-Trump delegates chanted his name to shout them down.

Womack abandoned the stage, leaving both sides in confusion wondering what was going on. After several minutes, he returned and announced that that three states had withdrawn support for a roll call vote, which means the measure had fallen short of the seven-state threshold. Another voice vote was held (the volume of which sounded even from the televised coverage), and Womack quickly declared the “Free the Delegates” plan dead and buried.

The crowd loudly expressed their pleasure and displeasure as Montana Sen. John Barasso took the stage for a low-energy speech demanding unity. But there were few signs of it on the convention floor.

“I have never seen anything like this,” said Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), a close ally of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), a rival to presumptive GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump.

“There is no precedent for this,” Lee said.

…After being denied the roll call vote, most of the delegation from Colorado walked off the floor in protest, leaving behind rows of empty seats.

…”It’s certainly disrespectful of the grassroots,” said former Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, an influential rules committee member who had worked to whip enough support from the rules vote. “You win races with people, you lose races with people.”

“It’s all on them,” he said of the RNC before acknowledging the fight was over. “There’s nowhere to appeal.”

…While one angry delegate was speaking to the media about what just transpired, another Trump-backing delegate interrupted.

“Get over it!” she yelled.

Another delegate screamed “Go home!” at another anti-Trump delegate conducting interviews on the convention floor.

Delegates furious over the roll call vote insisted they were not giving up their efforts, but at the same time did not exactly know what their next move would be.

“Stay tuned. There’s a Plan B,” said Kendal Unruh, a Colorado delegate who co-founded the “Free the Delegates” movement. “We’re going to go back, we’re going to strategize…what they chose was to play hardball to make sure there wasn’t dissent, and now they’re going to get it.”

Reince Priebus and the GOP Establishment is now completely committed to the candidate which vilified them throughout the primaries. It’s Donald Trump’s party now.

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  1. Robert McReynolds Member
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    Brian Watt:

    Robert McReynolds:

    Brian Watt:

    Robert McReynolds:

    Brian Watt:

    Trump sewed up the nomination on May 26th. Since that time what has he done to reach out an mend fences with those he insulted or to bring around or offer any concessions to gain their support? With the possible exception of naming Pence as his running mate…what else?

    The point being that leaders build coalitions. Narcissists hold grudges.

    You mean like a lot of folks here on Ricochet who were calling him a clown and his supporters Nazis? Pot calling kettle, come in kettle.

    Yes, I called Trump a clown. I still think he’s a clown and unfit to be president. What of it? I never called his supporters Nazis. I did write a post that I was concerned that some of his supporters were white supremacists and members of the Klan. What of that? Was that not factual?

    And so Trump has to pucker up for your [redacted]? I wouldn’t waste time on you Never Trumpers. I would make a play for the 98% of America who doesn’t read NR and the Bernie Supporters who aren’t voting Hillary.

    Try to keep it civil. No one has attacked you.

    Eye roll! Yes let’s run behind the civility wall. You made it personal not me.

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  2. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Robert McReynolds:

    Brian Watt:

    Robert McReynolds:

    Brian Watt:

    Robert McReynolds:

    Brian Watt:

    Trump sewed up the nomination on May 26th. Since that time what has he done to reach out an mend fences with those he insulted or to bring around or offer any concessions to gain their support? With the possible exception of naming Pence as his running mate…what else?

    The point being that leaders build coalitions. Narcissists hold grudges.

    You mean like a lot of folks here on Ricochet who were calling him a clown and his supporters Nazis? Pot calling kettle, come in kettle.

    Yes, I called Trump a clown. I still think he’s a clown and unfit to be president. What of it? I never called his supporters Nazis. I did write a post that I was concerned that some of his supporters were white supremacists and members of the Klan. What of that? Was that not factual?

    [redacted] I wouldn’t waste time on you Never Trumpers. I would make a play for the 98% of America who doesn’t read NR and the Bernie Supporters who aren’t voting Hillary.

    Try to keep it civil. No one has attacked you.

    Eye roll! Yes let’s run behind the civility wall. You made it personal not me.

    Is your last name Trump?

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  3. Tom Meyer Member
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    Gentlemen, desist.

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  4. Judge Mental Member
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    Brian Watt: Yes, I called Trump a clown. I still think he’s a clown and unfit to be president. What of it? I never called his supporters Nazis. I did write a post that I was concerned that some of his supporters were white supremacists and members of the Klan. What of that? Was that not factual?

    Brian, I feel absolutely certain that some of Mitt Romney and John McCain’s supporters were white supremacists and members of the Klan.  You don’t think they were voting for Obama, do you?

    I don’t remember people getting all munged up about it then.

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  5. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Judge Mental: Your opinion. Bold text doesn’t change that.

    What I find interesting in this conversation (and others) is the lack of people asserting that Trump is indeed fit for office.  It’s “Well, Hillary is unfit too” or “It’s sour grapes” or “You just want Hillary to win.”

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  6. Judge Mental Member
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    Fred Cole:

    Judge Mental: Your opinion. Bold text doesn’t change that.

    What I find interesting in this conversation (and others) is the lack of people asserting that Trump is indeed fit for office. It’s “Well, Hillary is unfit too” or “It’s sour grapes” or “You just want Hillary to win.”

    Trump is more fit for office than Hillary.  Those are your choices.  That’s my pick.

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  7. Mike LaRoche Inactive
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    Trump is fit for office. Deal with it.

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  8. Judge Mental Member
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.:Gentlemen, desist.

    With the wacky alerts, I didn’t see this until after my next two comments.  I’m done.

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  9. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Mike LaRoche:Trump is fit for office. Deal with it.

    Based on what?

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  10. Grosseteste Thatcher
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    Mendel:Whatever the issues were, I don’t think Mike Lee, Cuccinelli, or anyone else serious was actually hoping to “steal” the nomination. They knew any vote they would propose would actually lose, they just wanted the chance for the dissenting vote to be heard.

    So it was only going to be a symbolic measure no matter what, and really isn’t worth losing sleep over. On the other hand, it sounds like the committee chair played dirty to silence the initiative, so if Trump’s allies feel like they have to play hardball just to squelch a symbolic protest vote from respectable members within their own party, that’s not a great sign for Trump either.

    Agree that they just wanted to stand and be counted, and they ought to have been granted the opportunity.

    On the other hand, if the need to play hardball to squelch dissenting voices is a sign of weakness, it’s a weakness that’s been endemic to the GOP for a while.  I recall Ron Paul delegates getting squelched in 2012 for much less and with much less possible threat to the presumptive nominee.

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  11. Z in MT Member
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    Jon Gabriel, Ed.: The crowd loudly expressed their pleasure and displeasure as Montana Sen. John Barasso

    John Barrasso is not from MT, he is from Wyoming.

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  12. Trinity Waters Member
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    Fred Cole:

    Robert McReynolds: but for others this is all sour grapes.

    There wasn’t a #NeverRomney movement or a #NeverMcCain movement. In those cases there were other Republican candidates who lost, but there was nothing like this year.

    This goes well beyond sour grapes. This man is unfit for office, dangerously so.

    Bold type doesn’t add to your stale arguments, Fred.  Is it maybe time to stack the firearms of the circular firing squad?  Hillary must have goat pictures, to explain the longevity of the anti-Trumpers.

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  13. Z in MT Member
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    I have come to the conclusion that none of the candidates are fit for office, including Gary Johnson. Two words: Dumpster Fire.

    SMOD 2016!

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  14. Al Kennedy Inactive
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    BrentB67:I am not a never Trump guy, but if these folks operated according to the rules they deserve to be heard and have a roll call vote.

    Mike Lee and Ken Cuccinelli are a team that know the rules and how to operate. I think this is an awful backhanded maneuver by the GOP, but what we’ve come to expect from the most feckless political party on the planet.

    What happened to Lee and Cuccinelli is the definition of “hardball politics” and is hardly conducive to Party unity.

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  15. Al Kennedy Inactive
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    Brian Watt:

    Trump’s unwillingness to sit down and hear out folks like Lee and Cuccinelli and ask what it would take to get their support will hurt Trump going forward.

    Trump would be wise to reach out to the NeverTrump contingent and make some concessions for cabinet positions, policy positions and agreed-upon first term objectives. He will need all the friends he can get.

    @brianwatt I find it hard to believe that Trump (and Manafort) are capable of this.  I think this will hurt Trump in states that turn out to be close.

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  16. Al Kennedy Inactive
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    BrentB67:

    Politico reported that a majority from 7 states is required for a roll call vote. Majorities from 9 states were on record, but when it got the floor the presiding officer walked off stage, came back awhile later and reported that 3 states recanted.

    The two issues I’ve read is that one would put Ted Cruz’s name in for the nomination and the other was to award more delegates to states with closed primaries.

    @brentb67 The interview I saw with Mike Lee said the closed primary issue was about the 2020 Primaries.  The RNC favors open primaries, many delegates do not according to Senator Lee.

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  17. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Trinity Waters: Hillary must have goat pictures, to explain the longevity of the anti-Trumpers.

    No goats are necessary. The reason for the movement becomes blatently obvious every time Trump opens his mouth.

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  18. Carey J. Inactive
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    Al Kennedy:

    BrentB67:I am not a never Trump guy, but if these folks operated according to the rules they deserve to be heard and have a roll call vote.

    Mike Lee and Ken Cuccinelli are a team that know the rules and how to operate. I think this is an awful backhanded maneuver by the GOP, but what we’ve come to expect from the most feckless political party on the planet.

    What happened to Lee and Cuccinelli is the definition of “hardball politics” and is hardly conducive to Party unity.

    What Lee and Cuccinelli were trying to pull was hardly conducive to Party unity, either. Seriously,  change the rules so the delegates can ignore the primary results and pull off a coup with establishment ringer delegates slipped in to the delegations during state party conventions. Establishment hacks with no loyalty to the candidate their states voted for them to support. Boy, that would surely bring the party together, wouldn’t it?

    If they’d managed to actually pull the coup off, I’d have been voting straight party Democrat in November. You don’t screw voters that way and expect them to ever vote for you again.

    I used to like Cuccinelli before he involved himself in this crap.

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  19. Al Kennedy Inactive
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    Carey J.:

    Al

    What happened to Lee and Cuccinelli is the definition of “hardball politics” and is hardly conducive to Party unity.

    What Lee and Cuccinelli were trying to pull was hardly conducive to Party unity, either. Seriously, change the rules so the delegates can ignore the primary results and pull off a coup with establishment ringer delegates slipped in to the delegations during state party conventions. Establishment hacks with no loyalty to the candidate their states voted for them to support. Boy, that would surely bring the party together, wouldn’t it?

    If they’d managed to actually pull the coup off, I’d have been voting straight party Democrat in November. You don’t screw voters that way and expect them to ever vote for you again.

    I used to like Cuccinelli before he involved himself in this crap.

    @CareyJ  Trump has enough delegate votes to be nominated.  The Never-Trumps never had a candidate to substitute for Donald Trump.  A roll call vote would have been an embarrassment at worst–it wouldn’t have changed anything.  Cuccinelli is trying to get Ted Cruz nominated in 2020.  The rules approved Monday cover the 2020 Primaries as well as the Convention.

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  20. Son of Spengler Member
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    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:he said of the RNC before acknowledging the fight was over. “There’s nowhere to appeal.”

    Go figure. It’s as if the process is… rigged, to coin a phrase.

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  21. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    If the rule change and immaculate voice vote didn’t bother you in 2012, don’t complain in 2016.

    I am going to enjoy a frosty cold beer this evening, sit out back on the wood deck I built.  That’s my platform.

    #Winning

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  22. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    Fred Cole:

    Mike LaRoche:Trump is fit for office. Deal with it.

    Based on what?

    35 years old, born in America.  Yeah, that’s most of it.  Which criteria would you have separate Americans from their votes?

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  23. Al Kennedy Inactive
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    Ball Diamond Ball:If the rule change and immaculate voice vote didn’t bother you in 2012, don’t complain in 2016.

    Going to enjoy as frosty cold beer this evening. Sit out back on the wood deck I built. That’s my platform.

    #Winning

    I thought the 2012 rules change to keep Ron Paul from being nominated was petty and another example of hardball politics.

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  24. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    Fred Cole:

    Judge Mental: Your opinion. Bold text doesn’t change that.

    What I find interesting in this conversation (and others) is the lack of people asserting that Trump is indeed fit for office. It’s “Well, Hillary is unfit too” or “It’s sour grapes” or “You just want Hillary to win.”

    This is because you are harping on a goofy point.  This is more of the popular non-argument “Well, I have not seen proof of X” when X is The One True Scotsman.

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  25. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    The RNC is a private organization and can do whatever it wants.  This has been made clear.  Verily, let the good times roll.

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  26. Al Kennedy Inactive
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    Ball Diamond Ball:The RNC is a private organization and can do whatever it wants. This has been made clear. Verily, let the good times roll.

    Noah Rothman in Commentary discussed the vote on the Rules: The Foolishness of the RNC.  John Podhoretz also commented: The Goons at the RNCThe Weekly Standard also had a good article: Mike Lee Fights the RNC Machine.

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  27. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Al Kennedy:

    Ball Diamond Ball:The RNC is a private organization and can do whatever it wants. This has been made clear. Verily, let the good times roll.

    Noah Rothman in Commentary discussed the vote on the Rules: The Foolishness of the RNC. John Podhoretz also commented: The Goons at the RNC. The Weekly Standard also had a good article: Mike Lee Fights the RNC Machine.

    Go Clinton!

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  28. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Ball Diamond Ball: 35 years old, born in America. Yeah, that’s most of it. Which criteria would you have separate Americans from their votes?

    Meeting the basic minimum requirements and fit for office aren’t the same thing

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  29. Cato Rand Inactive
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    Carey J.:

    Al Kennedy:

    BrentB67:I am not a never Trump guy, but if these folks operated according to the rules they deserve to be heard and have a roll call vote.

    Mike Lee and Ken Cuccinelli are a team that know the rules and how to operate. I think this is an awful backhanded maneuver by the GOP, but what we’ve come to expect from the most feckless political party on the planet.

    What happened to Lee and Cuccinelli is the definition of “hardball politics” and is hardly conducive to Party unity.

    What Lee and Cuccinelli were trying to pull was hardly conducive to Party unity, either. Seriously, change the rules so the delegates can ignore the primary results and pull off a coup with establishment ringer delegates slipped in to the delegations during state party conventions. Establishment hacks with no loyalty to the candidate their states voted for them to support. Boy, that would surely bring the party together, wouldn’t it?

    If they’d managed to actually pull the coup off, I’d have been voting straight party Democrat in November. You don’t screw voters that way and expect them to ever vote for you again.

    I used to like Cuccinelli before he involved himself in this crap.

    There are more important things than party unity.

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  30. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    Cato Rand:There are more important things than party unity.

    You said it, brother!

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