Saving the Republic from the Heckler’s Veto: The Moral Imperative to Elect Trump

 
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We know that freedom of speech is under attack in America. Whole areas of discourse are off limits in the public square; wrongthink is punished by federal or state investigation; and any attempt to puncture the illusions of the unhinged Far-Left is increasingly met by violence which — in the classical statist two-step — leads to official censorship on the grounds of public safety.

It’s disgraceful when it happens on a college campus. It is another — one might almost call it an extinction-level event — when it occurs during a presidential election campaign. What happened at the Trump event in Albuquerque is just the first taste of what promises to be a long summer of hate directed at the heart of the Republic: freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom tout court.

Do not be misled by the protesters attacking the police and shouting down the Man; the Man has their back. At their direction, the circle of acceptable thought will be shrunk. The definition of racism will be expanded. “Authoritarian” and similar terms will be defined down and used as an excuse to suppress any speech, any behavior — indeed, any thought — that does not lead to the expansion and glorification of the state.

And America will die. Maybe with a bang. Perhaps with a whimper. But all that makes America positively different will be gone. You may hate what Donald Trump has to say, but your moral duty is to vote for him for saying it.

Hyperbole? Ask the #NeverTrumps.

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  1. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    Once again, we are told to vote for Trump because Hillary is worse. I fail to see how Trump is any better on free speech other than his own. I suspect it could be much more dangerous to speak you mind under a Trump administration than even Obama’s repressive regime. The fact that Trump is a vulgar, undisciplined loud-mouth has nothing to do the advocacy of free speech.

    What is going on outside of his rallies is despiccable, but I don’t see that he is the answer. Sorry!

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  2. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Eugene Kriegsmann: What is going on outside of his rallies is despiccable, but I don’t see that he is the answer. Sorry!

    This.

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  3. BastiatJunior Member
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    Eugene Kriegsmann: What is going on outside of his [Trump’s] rallies is despiccable, but I don’t see that he is the answer. Sorry!

    That would depend on the question.  If the question is, “Whom should the Republican Party nominate in 2016?”, Trump is not the answer.

    I agree with Merina’s comment elsewhere that those who voted for Trump’s nomination should own it.

    If the question is, “For whom do we vote in November, to stop Hillary?”, then the inescapable answer is Trump. Yes, inescapable.  If you believe that Trump is worse than Hillary, that makes this question irrelevant, but doesn’t change the answer.

    The unpleasant fact is that we’re not going to get a good President this time around.

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  4. Nick Stuart Inactive
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    David Carroll: I see it as an either or choice, because I live in a swing state. If I lived in Oregon,my vote would not matter. I would feel perfectly free to vote for the Libertarian or write in some random name

    Initially I thought that, but on reflection it occurred to me that it’s important to not have the country go through another “won the electoral/lost the popular vote” wringer like Y2K. So even if one lives in a bright blue or red state, get out and vote.

    While Oregon may be an even greater lost cause than The People’s Republic of Illinois, I think Trump is going to succeed in prying some very blue states out of the Dem column (like maybe New York).

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  5. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Nick Stuart:

    David Carroll: I see it as an either or choice, because I live in a swing state. If I lived in Oregon,my vote would not matter. I would feel perfectly free to vote for the Libertarian or write in some random name

    Initially I thought that, but on reflection it occurred to me that it’s important to not have the country go through another “won the electoral/lost the popular vote” wringer like Y2K. So even if one lives in a bright blue or red state, get out and vote.

    While Oregon may be an even greater lost cause than The People’s Republic of Illinois, I think Trump is going to succeed in prying some very blue states out of the Dem column (like maybe New York).

    Trump received less votes than Bernie Sanders did in New York during the primary.

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  6. Frank Soto Member
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    genferei: You may hate what Donald Trump has to say, but your moral duty is to vote for him for saying it.

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  7. RyanM Inactive
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    The dude in your picture has 4 legs.

    Crazy!

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  8. RyanM Inactive
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    BrentB67:

    Tom Meyer, Ed.:

    BrentB67:

    I will happily delete my comment if you wish to promote this post.

    A self-redaction of the relevant section would be appreciated.

    Done. A clean up of what passes for Main Feed contributor would similarly be appreciated.

    Would you support having Ann Coulter as a contributor?

    I mean that in all seriousness.  What about Larry Kudlow?  What about that Michael Stopa?

    None of those people are less obnoxious than Zubrin, they’re just on the other side.  It could be argued that Coulter is far more obnoxious, and deliberately inflammatory.

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  9. ctlaw Coolidge
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    RyanM:Would you support having Ann Coulter as a contributor?

    I mean that in all seriousness. What about Larry Kudlow? What about that Michael Stopa?

    None of those people are less obnoxious than Zubrin, they’re just on the other side. It could be argued that Coulter is far more obnoxious, and deliberately inflammatory.

    But she’s more accurate. And accuracy counts. It is not equally obnoxious to call Bill Clinton a philandering misogynist and to call Mitt Romney the same thing.

    Kudlow is like Mother Theresa in that group.

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  10. BrentB67 Inactive
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    RyanM:

    BrentB67:

    Tom Meyer, Ed.:

    BrentB67:

    I will happily delete my comment if you wish to promote this post.

    A self-redaction of the relevant section would be appreciated.

    Done. A clean up of what passes for Main Feed contributor would similarly be appreciated.

    Would you support having Ann Coulter as a contributor?

    Will it be pictures mostly?

    If she chooses to produce zany incoherent sensational content and insult our members no. That may be what is going on at her site lately, I haven’t ventured across the bridge in a while.

    I mean that in all seriousness. What about Larry Kudlow? What about that Michael Stopa?

    Associating Kudlow with anything produced by Zubrin is a cheap shot at Larry who has done a lot for this site. You are better than that Ryan.

    Stopa hasn’t passed up chances to issue provocative posts. I don’t recall him insulting people of faith, but if it makes you happy we can jettison Stopa long with Zubrin.

    None of those people are less obnoxious than Zubrin, they’re just on the other side. It could be argued that Coulter is far more obnoxious, and deliberately inflammatory.

    Everyone including you are less obnoxious than Zubrin.

    If he wants to pay his membership dues and publish this stuff the same way as you and I do, have at it.

    That he was made a Contributor and we still have staff assuming they have any credibility to redact comments, etc. is disappointing.

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  11. RyanM Inactive
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    BrentB67:

    RyanM:

    Will it be pictures mostly?

    If she chooses to produce zany incoherent sensational content and insult our members no. That may be what is going on at her site lately, I haven’t ventured across the bridge in a while.

    I mean that in all seriousness. What about Larry Kudlow? What about that Michael Stopa?

    Associating Kudlow with anything produced by Zubrin is a cheap shot at Larry who has done a lot for this site. You are better than that Ryan.

    Stopa hasn’t passed up chances to issue provocative posts. I don’t recall him insulting people of faith, but if it makes you happy we can jettison Stopa long with Zubrin.

    Everyone including you are less obnoxious than Zubrin.

    If he wants to pay his membership dues and publish this stuff the same way as you and I do, have at it.

    That he was made a Contributor and we still have staff assuming they have any credibility to redact comments, etc. is disappointing.

    I won’t argue with this – my point is simply that tensions are high and both sides seem to issue “obnoxious” pretty freely right now.

    There are apparently some of Zubrin’s more inflammatory posts that I haven’t seen, though I was told that they exist and I have no reason to doubt that.

    I still maintain that Coulter is probably equally obnoxious.  She tries very hard.

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  12. BrentB67 Inactive
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    RyanM:

    BrentB67:

    RyanM:

    Will it be pictures mostly?

    If she chooses to produce zany incoherent sensational content and insult our members no. That may be what is going on at her site lately, I haven’t ventured across the bridge in a while.

    I mean that in all seriousness. What about Larry Kudlow? What about that Michael Stopa?

    Associating Kudlow with anything produced by Zubrin is a cheap shot at Larry who has done a lot for this site. You are better than that Ryan.

    Stopa hasn’t passed up chances to issue provocative posts. I don’t recall him insulting people of faith, but if it makes you happy we can jettison Stopa long with Zubrin.

    Everyone including you are less obnoxious than Zubrin.

    If he wants to pay his membership dues and publish this stuff the same way as you and I do, have at it.

    That he was made a Contributor and we still have staff assuming they have any credibility to redact comments, etc. is disappointing.

    I won’t argue with this – my point is simply that tensions are high and both sides seem to issue “obnoxious” pretty freely right now.

    There are apparently some of Zubrin’s more inflammatory posts that I haven’t seen, though I was told that they exist and I have no reason to doubt that.

    I still maintain that Coulter is probably equally obnoxious. She tries very hard.

    I used to read her stuff, but she left the reservation.

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  13. Solon Inactive
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    Franco:My take is: They are desperate for a Hitler. They tried with Bush.

    They are drunk on narcissistic self-righteousness.

    Well put.  There has to be a bad guy out there for their belief system to even work.  It’s based on negativity.

    All morality, such as it is, is taking place in the public sphere, while immorality runs rampant in private. None of these people as individuals have any extra piety than ordinary people and many have significantly less. All they have is some belief system that has determined that other people are wrong and that some group must be repressed or eliminated.

    This sounds like Cicero.  These times are similar to the late Roman Republic, 1st century BC.

    It is like a Greek Tragedy of the masses. The quality they run away from so desperately becomes the very quality they unconsciously embrace and embody.

    There’s a human tendency for you.

    This is really a great comment, Franco.

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  14. Franco Member
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    Solon: This sounds like Cicero. These times are similar to the late Roman Republic, 1st century BC.

    And me, a High School drop out. Never read a word of it. Thanks Solon!

    Cicero didn’t graduate High School either though, did he?

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  15. Z in MT Member
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    It’s pretty rich that nullifying a heckler’s veto is being used to justify voting for the ultimate heckler.

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  16. Frank Soto Member
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    Z in MT:It’s pretty rich that nullifying a heckler’s veto is being used to justify voting for the ultimate heckler.

    Also, where is the limit of this?  Is anyone who is being heckled as such entitled to my vote?  Is there no amount of legitimate reasons to oppose a man that this moral obligation of negating the heckler’s veto doesn’t override?

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  17. iDad Inactive
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    Z in MT:It’s pretty rich that nullifying a heckler’s veto is being used to justify voting for the ultimate heckler.

    It’s pretty rich that assisting leftists in achieving their political ends is justified as standing up for conservative principles.

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  18. TKC1101 Member
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    The GOP with assistance from anyone who can research, needs to make the linkage between these paid rioters and the DNC allied groups and donors  as public as possible.

    Let America see who is sending private armies to shut down their choice.

    If you think these people are doing this for free, you are kidding yourself.

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  19. Z in MT Member
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    iDad:

    Z in MT:It’s pretty rich that nullifying a heckler’s veto is being used to justify voting for the ultimate heckler.

    It’s pretty rich that assisting leftists in achieving their political ends is justified as standing up for conservative principles.

    I think voting for Trump assists the leftists.

    Conservatives lost this election the moment Trump became the presumptive nominee. Our choices now are between a crooked, power hungry statist democrat, and a buffoonish, fame seeking statist democrat disguised as an orange Republican. Forgive me as I would rather not endorse either of them.

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  20. Damocles Inactive
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.:

    I think it looks bad when the first comment on a Main Feed-worthy post bashes the site.

    I think you’d get less site-bashing if that weren’t a concern.

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  21. BrentB67 Inactive
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    TKC1101:The GOP with assistance from anyone who can research, needs to make the linkage between these paid rioters and the DNC allied groups and donors as public as possible.

    Let America see who is sending private armies to shut down their choice.

    If you think these people are doing this for free, you are kidding yourself.

    Additionally, show the full photos of them waving Mexican flags on American soil.

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  22. Jamie Lockett Member
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    BrentB67:

    TKC1101:The GOP with assistance from anyone who can research, needs to make the linkage between these paid rioters and the DNC allied groups and donors as public as possible.

    Let America see who is sending private armies to shut down their choice.

    If you think these people are doing this for free, you are kidding yourself.

    Additionally, show the full photos of them waving Mexican flags on American soil.

    I’ve been known to wave the Australian flag during the the World Cup or Olympics. I’ll have to change that soon…

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  23. BastiatJunior Member
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    Z in MT: fame seeking statist democrat disguised as an orange Republican.

    Isn’t this the first time we didn’t nominate a white guy?

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  24. Franco Member
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    Jamie Lockett:

    BrentB67:

    TKC1101:The GOP with assistance from anyone who can research, needs to make the linkage between these paid rioters and the DNC allied groups and donors as public as possible.

    Let America see who is sending private armies to shut down their choice.

    If you think these people are doing this for free, you are kidding yourself.

    Additionally, show the full photos of them waving Mexican flags on American soil.

    I’ve been known to wave the Australian flag during the the World Cup or Olympics. I’ll have to change that soon…

    You aren’t trying to claim it’s the same, are you? You are just being pithy right? My understanding is that you wave a lot of flags here at Ricochet too.

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  25. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett:

    BrentB67:

    TKC1101:The GOP with assistance from anyone who can research, needs to make the linkage between these paid rioters and the DNC allied groups and donors as public as possible.

    Let America see who is sending private armies to shut down their choice.

    If you think these people are doing this for free, you are kidding yourself.

    Additionally, show the full photos of them waving Mexican flags on American soil.

    I’ve been known to wave the Australian flag during the the World Cup or Olympics. I’ll have to change that soon…

    I think there is a big difference between supporting a team in sports and supporting breaking the law.

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  26. Doctor Robert Member
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    Robert Lux: Par for the course, I have lost all respect for Claire Berlinski

    Don’t forget Mona and Jay and Jonah

    Good people, all of them; perhaps the campaign will open their eyes.

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  27. Kozak Member
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    Jamie Lockett: I’ve been known to wave the Australian flag during the the World Cup or Olympics. I’ll have to change that soon…

    Oh. Don’t worry until millions of your fellow Aussies have illegally entered the US and campaign to turn large parts of it into Oz.  Then we might get a little touchy.

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