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  1. Mike LaRoche Inactive
    Mike LaRoche
    @MikeLaRoche

    Note:

    Schadenfreude -- especially of the drive-by kind -- against fellow members is not in accord with the Code of Conduct.

    Loving the lamentations…

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  2. Paul A. Rahe Member
    Paul A. Rahe
    @PaulARahe

    Eric Hines:

    Paul A. Rahe:Someone should make every delegate to the Republican convention watch this ad. It is not too late for the delegates to rebel and put a stop to this nonsense.

    Sure. Because the will of the people should be disregarded whenever it becomes inconvenient to the Know Betters. How very Democratic Party of you, Mr Rahe. How very monarchist.

    Eric Hines

    According to the rules, the delegates to the convention represent the party, not the voters in the primary. The latter recommend; the former decide. There is a reason for this.

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  3. Paul A. Rahe Member
    Paul A. Rahe
    @PaulARahe

    The Question:Trump and Hillary are both liars, but they’re both so awful they don’t need to lie about each other.

    Alas, all too true.

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  4. Eric Hines Inactive
    Eric Hines
    @EricHines

    Paul A. Rahe:

    Eric Hines:

    Paul A. Rahe:Someone should make every delegate to the Republican convention watch this ad. It is not too late for the delegates to rebel and put a stop to this nonsense.

    Sure. Because the will of the people should be disregarded whenever it becomes inconvenient to the Know Betters. How very Democratic Party of you, Mr Rahe. How very monarchist.

    Eric Hines

    According to the rules, the delegates to the convention represent the party, not the voters in the primary. The latter recommend; the former decide. There is a reason for this.

    Among those rules is the binding of the delegates to a candidate on the first ballot.  You want the delegates to rebel.

    Keep going.  You’re illustrating my point beautifully.

    Eric Hines

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  5. Petty Boozswha Inactive
    Petty Boozswha
    @PettyBoozswha

    Is it too late for Ben Sasse or some other #neverTrumper to get on the ballot in the remaining states? I still think a Romney/Sasse ticket could save us on a later ballot.

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  6. She Member
    She
    @She

    Mike LaRoche:Loving the lamentations…

    It’s a mistake to confuse those who are merely identifying, and commenting on, the mess with those who are wailing, gnashing their teeth, lamenting the mess. and sulking in their tents (I actually don’t know many people like that, truth be told).  Most people who are commenting here certainly aren’t sulking in their tents.  Otherwise, they wouldn’t be here.  (Because they would be. Sulking. In tents.)

    To sum it up, there are only three things to do with a mess.

    1. Bemoan the mess
    2. Clean up the mess
    3. Enjoy the mess

    *

    I am thoroughly enjoying the mess.  Sometimes, the only way to salvation, and eventually clean up, lies in going through the mess, and one might as well be cheerful about it.  Enjoyment of the mess, though, does not foreclose the opportunity to observe and report mordantly and critically on all sides of it.

    It’s good to see someone, even Hillary, finally going after Trump. I only wish that his competitors in the GOP had taken him on sooner and with more verve.  Had that happened, there would have been more mess to enjoy, and it would have come along sooner.

    Yay, mess!

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  7. Pseudodionysius Inactive
    Pseudodionysius
    @Pseudodionysius

    Pro-life organization Susan B. Anthony List praised Donald Trump for hiring John Mashburn as a campaign policy adviser, calling Mashburn an “excellent hire, especially for the pro-life movement and our legislative priorities.”

    In other news, the front of Bill Clinton’s pants still a federal disaster area.

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  8. Pseudodionysius Inactive
    Pseudodionysius
    @Pseudodionysius

    Today I’ll take you to the third dimension of persuasion to see how Clinton and Trump are matching up lately. I can’t make this post appear balanced because Clinton is making big mistakes on the persuasion dimension while Trump is being his usual skillful self. So the best I can do is remind you that my political preferences do not align with Trump or any other candidate.

    We’ll start with Clinton’s new campaign slogan:

    LOVE TRUMPS HATE

    Based on the slogan, I can tell you with confidence that the Clinton campaign doesn’t have anyone with a persuasion background helping with the big decisions. Here’s why:

    1. Humans put greater cognitive weight on the first part of a sentence than the last part. This is a well-understood phenomenon. And the first part literally pairs LOVE and TRUMP.

    2. The slogan increases exposure to the name Trump. That’s never a good idea.

    3. Spoken aloud, the slogan sounds like asking people to agree with Trump’s hate, as in “Love Trump’s hate (because Trump hates war, terrorism, and bad trade deals, same as you?).

    This is the sort of mistake you never see out of the Trump campaign. The slogan is pure amateur hour. It accomplishes the opposite of its intent, and you can’t fail harder than that.

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  9. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Richard Fulmer:

    Mike LaRoche:A bunch of career politicians insulting Donald Trump? Oh yeah, devastating. Sure.

    It is devastating because, for once in their lives, those career politicians are telling the truth.

    Almost.

    Lindsey Graham was still full of it. His unblemished record continues.

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  10. Pseudodionysius Inactive
    Pseudodionysius
    @Pseudodionysius

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  11. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
    blood thirsty neocon
    @bloodthirstyneocon

    Paul A. Rahe:Someone should make every delegate to the Republican convention watch this ad. It is not too late for the delegates to rebel and put a stop to this nonsense.

    I think this is a no lose strategy. Best case scenario, we get Paul Ryan as our candidate. Second best scenario, I can watch and eat popcorn as the Republican leadership is torn to pieces outside the Quicken Loans Arena.

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  12. billy Inactive
    billy
    @billy

    Nick Stuart:Main Feed PTB it’s over. Get over your butthurt.

    It’s going to be Trump or Clinton, and you need to decide which you prefer.

    “If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures.”

    -Alexander Hamilton

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  13. Tyler Boliver Inactive
    Tyler Boliver
    @Marlowe

    Petty Boozswha:Is it too late for Ben Sasse or some other #neverTrumper to get on the ballot in the remaining states? I still think a Romney/Sasse ticket could save us on a later ballot.

    A independent conservative can still run, but none have stepped up yet. The Libertarian Party will be running on candidate though.

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  14. billy Inactive
    billy
    @billy

    Tyler Boliver:

    Petty Boozswha:Is it too late for Ben Sasse or some other #neverTrumper to get on the ballot in the remaining states? I still think a Romney/Sasse ticket could save us on a later ballot.

    A independent conservative can still run, but none have stepped up yet. The Libertarian Party will be running on candidate though.

    The filing deadline for Texas is Monday. An independent conservative would have to either gather 79,000 signatures by then or win 270 electoral votes without Texas.

    Scroll down for the list of every state’s deadline.

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  15. Dietlbomb Inactive
    Dietlbomb
    @Dietlbomb

    One of the Trump campaign’s main messages was that he was the enemy of the Republican establishment, and Hillary does her best to vindicate that message.

    How many voters who see a group of politicians they already don’t like insult the guy those politicians’ party’s voters chose and decide that Trump looks worse in the comparison?

    Really, Jeb Bush? Way to remind everyone why they pulled the lever for Trump, Mrs. Clinton.

    This reminds me of a silly ad the Cruz campaign ran last year portraying Mrs. Clinton as a character from Office Space destroying her server in a fit of rage. It was clever for those people who like to connect fact A to argument B. But on a visceral level, the ad painted Hillary in a positive light, because the person beating a computer with a baseball bat is intuitively the good guy to anyone who has ever used a Microsoft product.

    Here’s the score: Hillary’s anti-Trump ad awards 1 point to Trump, 0 points to Hillary, and -1 points to the Republican Party. Good job.

    One thing is for sure; this will be a long election season.

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  16. Tyler Boliver Inactive
    Tyler Boliver
    @Marlowe

    billy:

    Tyler Boliver:

    Petty Boozswha:Is it too late for Ben Sasse or some other #neverTrumper to get on the ballot in the remaining states? I still think a Romney/Sasse ticket could save us on a later ballot.

    A independent conservative can still run, but none have stepped up yet. The Libertarian Party will be running on candidate though.

    The filing deadline for Texas is Monday. An independent conservative would have to either gather 79,000 signatures by then or win 270 electoral votes without Texas.

    Scroll down for the list of every state’s deadline.

    My assumption would be that an independent conservative would only want to stop both Clinton and Trump from getting to 270, and therefor putting it in the hands of the House. Fact is though I don’t think it’s going to happen anymore.

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  17. Petty Boozswha Inactive
    Petty Boozswha
    @PettyBoozswha

    billy:

    Tyler Boliver:

    Petty Boozswha:Is it too late for Ben Sasse or some other #neverTrumper to get on the ballot in the remaining states? I still think a Romney/Sasse ticket could save us on a later ballot.

    A independent conservative can still run, but none have stepped up yet. The Libertarian Party will be running on candidate though.

    The filing deadline for Texas is Monday. An independent conservative would have to either gather 79,000 signatures by then or win 270 electoral votes without Texas.

    Scroll down for the list of every state’s deadline.

    Thanks guys, but I was talking about the west coast primaries, not the general. I know Sasse was spearheading Cruz’s campaign in the Nebraska caucuses and would hope he’d be willing to step up now that Cruz has dropped out.

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  18. Pseudodionysius Inactive
    Pseudodionysius
    @Pseudodionysius
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  19. billy Inactive
    billy
    @billy

    Petty Boozswha:

    billy:

    Tyler Boliver:

    Petty Boozswha:Is it too late for Ben Sasse or some other #neverTrumper to get on the ballot in the remaining states? I still think a Romney/Sasse ticket could save us on a later ballot.

    A independent conservative can still run, but none have stepped up yet. The Libertarian Party will be running on candidate though.

    The filing deadline for Texas is Monday. An independent conservative would have to either gather 79,000 signatures by then or win 270 electoral votes without Texas.

    Scroll down for the list of every state’s deadline.

    Thanks guys, but I was talking about the west coast primaries, not the general. I know Sasse was spearheading Cruz’s campaign in the Nebraska caucuses and would hope he’d be willing to step up now that Cruz has dropped out.

    Those deadlines are long passed. We are stuck with Trump.

    Unless he can be convinced to drop out.

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  20. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Dietlbomb: Really, Jeb Bush? Way to remind everyone why they pulled the lever for Trump, Mrs. Clinton.

    Way to remind everyone who didn’t pull the lever for Trump why they didn’t, too.

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  21. Douglas Inactive
    Douglas
    @Douglas

    blood thirsty neocon:So now we’re distributing Hillary ads?

    Sure looks that way.

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  22. Pseudodionysius Inactive
    Pseudodionysius
    @Pseudodionysius

    Douglas:

    blood thirsty neocon:So now we’re distributing Hillary ads?

    Sure looks that way.

    Better put some ice on that.

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  23. Douglas Inactive
    Douglas
    @Douglas

    Paul A. Rahe:

    Eric Hines:

    Paul A. Rahe:Someone should make every delegate to the Republican convention watch this ad. It is not too late for the delegates to rebel and put a stop to this nonsense.

    Sure. Because the will of the people should be disregarded whenever it becomes inconvenient to the Know Betters. How very Democratic Party of you, Mr Rahe. How very monarchist.

    Eric Hines

    According to the rules, the delegates to the convention represent the party, not the voters in the primary. The latter recommend; the former decide. There is a reason for this.

    What do you think would happen were your scenario to play out; that at the convention, those assembled more or less void the primary results, hand-pick a candidate, and tell Republican voters “This is your nominee. Do your duty and march to the polls”.

    What do you think would happen to down-ballot races? What do you think it would ultimately do to the conservative movement?

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  24. Douglas Inactive
    Douglas
    @Douglas

    Pseudodionysius:

    Douglas:

    blood thirsty neocon:So now we’re distributing Hillary ads?

    Sure looks that way.

    Better put some ice on that.

    I’m not one of the people raging about how Cruz lost (and badly) and is concocting fantasy scenarios to void the primaries, like some coach whose team is getting plastered by four touchdowns with 30 seconds left, and tells his team “We’ve got a secret play, boys!”. Maybe they need the ice.

    Maybe you can ask Mona to come back and tell us again how we all had no business not choosing Marco Rubio. That went over well the first time.

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  25. Tyler Boliver Inactive
    Tyler Boliver
    @Marlowe

    billy:

    Petty Boozswha:

    billy:

    Tyler Boliver:

    Petty Boozswha:Is it too late for Ben Sasse or some other #neverTrumper to get on the ballot in the remaining states? I still think a Romney/Sasse ticket could save us on a later ballot.

    A independent conservative can still run, but none have stepped up yet. The Libertarian Party will be running on candidate though.

    The filing deadline for Texas is Monday. An independent conservative would have to either gather 79,000 signatures by then or win 270 electoral votes without Texas.

    Scroll down for the list of every state’s deadline.

    Thanks guys, but I was talking about the west coast primaries, not the general. I know Sasse was spearheading Cruz’s campaign in the Nebraska caucuses and would hope he’d be willing to step up now that Cruz has dropped out.

    Those deadlines are long passed. We are stuck with Trump.

    Unless he can be convinced to drop out.

    The GOP is stuck with him. #NeverTrump isn’t.

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  26. Tyler Boliver Inactive
    Tyler Boliver
    @Marlowe

    Douglas:

    What do you think it would ultimately do to the conservative movement?

    It’d end the idea that to be conservative means you agree with Trump. As I type right now the articles and blog post are already being written about how Trump has taken over the GOP, and how the right has fundamentally changed. Never again to care about things that we have been defending for 30 years.

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  27. Tom Riehl Member
    Tom Riehl
    @

    Yet another post crying over spilled milk.  Wake up.  The nomination process is over, so it’s time to choose.  The whining on this site is deafening.  Maybe in your next life you’ll be king and get to choose who keeps us safe, using your apparently unlimited wisdom.  Until then, I demand that you spurn Hillary.

    I said I wasn’t going to engage in this anymore, but I read a few comments and couldn’t help myself!  I hereby apologize.

    The fact is that Trump is the disrupter, so more power to him.  Not saying it will be pretty, but necessary.  It will soon be difficult to get a U-Haul trailer in the DC beltway.

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  28. Von Snrub Inactive
    Von Snrub
    @VonSnrub

    I really don’t see how everyone’s surprised. Trump was the only candidate spoke about ending illegal immigration in any real way. It would not have even been a subject if not for him.

    I know many of you have lofty utopian ideas of how importing 90 percent of South America will make our country a better place. Maybe for you it does. Perhaps your home value will increase as we see a shrinking of viable neighborhoods around our city centers.

    There are mini third world nations growing within our country and it appeared the only options was to do nothing but to increase it. Trump said it’s a problem and everyone else joined in too late.

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  29. Tom Riehl Member
    Tom Riehl
    @

    Von Snrub:I really don’t see how everyone’s surprised. Trump was the only candidate spoke about ending illegal immigration in any real way. It would not have even been a subject if not for him.

    I know many of you have lofty utopian ideas of how importing 90 percent of South America will make our country a better place. Maybe for you it does. Perhaps your home value will increase as we see a shrinking of viable neighborhoods around our city centers.

    There are mini third world nations growing within our country and it appeared the only options was to do nothing but to increase it. Trump said it’s a problem and everyone else joined in too late.

    Agreed, 110%.

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  30. iWe Coolidge
    iWe
    @iWe

    Without welfare, immigration would not be a problem. None of the candidates is suggesting reforming entitlements.

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