Trump Is Now The Establishment

 

Though I’m not willing to throw-in the towel yet — Lord knows this election has been unpredictable — it’s very nearly certain that Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee for President of the United States. As a once-and-future #NeverTrump and #NeverClinton, I’m going to have to start thinking hard about what options remain to me (short version: they all stink). But that’s not what this post is about: It’s about you, Trump voters.

First, a bit of preemptive congratulations: You did it. You took your candidate from someone snobs like me rolled their eyes at to the presumptive nominee of the GOP. More impressively, you steamrolled over Jeb Bush and Mike Murphy and their donor-class millions, as well as a bench of fifteen other candidates widely described in Trumpian superlatives (The best! The most beautiful! The bigliest!). You even blew-past National Review and the rest of the “respectable” conservative media. Moreover, you moved the national conversation toward your key issues. At least at the moment, you’re winners.

Which brings me to the friendly advice I wanted to offer: You’ve got a problem with a frustrated, demoralized minority whose concerns aren’t being met and who may sit out the election as a result. If you think defeating Hillary Clinton is as important as you’ve said — and I’ve no reason to doubt you — then you need to figure out how to appeal to this group of people. You need to understand them. You need to take their concerns with the kind of gravity you felt the GOP denied you for so long. And you need to figure it out quickly.

Now, again, I’m a lost cause here but libertarian squishes in Massachusetts aren’t going to turn this election (As Trump might say: Sad). But there’s a much larger number of people who have been opposed to Trump so far, but who might reluctantly fall in line if he gets the nomination. You need to figure out how to persuade enough of them to put their misgivings aside so your candidate gets over the line. That won’t be easy, and you should have started yesterday.

For illustration, consider what’s going on in the alternate reality — no, not that one — where Donald Trump tragically died in a meteor strike and Senator Marco Rubio is in the same position as Trump is in our universe. Over there, would-have-been Trump supporters are furious and some Rubio fans are starting to feel buyers’ remorse. “Why on Earth,” they ask each other, “Did we think it was a good idea to support a member of the Gang of Eight amidst a national freak-out over immigration? Romney after ObamaCare was bad enough; this looks even worse.”

Those Rubio supporters are in serious trouble. Their party is breaking apart because they chose one of the two most compromised candidates on the one issue that makes Republican voters reach for their pitchforks and torches and it’s their fault. “If we’re going to beat Hillary,” they say, “We need some real answers and we need them now.”

However, that’s an alternate reality. In this one, Trump supporters are the establishment, or just about to be. You’re not going to convince everyone — again, lost cause here — but you need to start taking #NeverTrump concerns seriously. Don’t tell people that Jon Gabriel, Claire Berlinski, Mona Charen, Kevin Williamson, Robert Zubrin, and I are jerks. That hasn’t worked and it’s probably not going to start working any time soon. You need to show #MaybeTrumps that we’re wrong.

Convince them that Trump gives a damn about the constitution. Demonstrate to them that he’s not going to wreck the economy or get goaded into a war with Vladimir Putin. Persuade them that he’s going to use the powers of the federal government to run vindictive little wars against anyone who insults him, only now with the added threat of guns and the IRS.

It doesn’t matter whether you think those concerns are valid, or if you think they’re a mote compared Hillary Clinton’s log. Their concerns are what they are and you need to grant their worries the attention they feel they deserve.

In short, you need to try to understand non-Trump voters.

Best of luck.

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  1. A-Squared Inactive
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    Ball Diamond Ball:

    Bob Laing:

    Ball Diamond Ball:

    Mission accomplished. I expect the effect on future nomination processes to be much more conservative, regardless of the merits, or utter lack thereof, present in one Jillionaire prick.

    I don’t follow how coalescing behind a person with a less-than-solid record of conservative behavior ensures more conservative picks in the future.

    It occurs to me that this primary represents a shift within the GOP towards cults of personality and nothing else.

    Well that’s your little-girl linear projection to ridiculous ends. It was 75 degrees at breakfast and 90 at lunch. By dinner it will be over a hundred, and we’ll all die at midnight.

    Would you mind elaborating?  How will moving far to the left in this year’s nomination process make it more likely that we will move back to the right in future years?

    It seems clear to me that GOP primary voters don’t want a conservative as their nominee?  Why will that change going forward?

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  2. Bob Laing Member
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    Ball Diamond Ball:

    Bob Laing:

    Ball Diamond Ball:

    Mission accomplished. I expect the effect on future nomination processes to be much more conservative, regardless of the merits, or utter lack thereof, present in one Jillionaire prick.

    I don’t follow how coalescing behind a person with a less-than-solid record of conservative behavior ensures more conservative picks in the future.

    It occurs to me that this primary represents a shift within the GOP towards cults of personality and nothing else.

    Well that’s your little-girl linear projection to ridiculous ends. It was 75 degrees at breakfast and 90 at lunch. By dinner it will be over a hundred, and we’ll all die at midnight.

    Are you using a Ouija Board to construct your responses?  This makes no sense.

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  3. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Ball Diamond Ball:

    Jamie Lockett:

    Ball Diamond Ball: At this point it’s all diminishing returns. It doesn’t matter who wins. What matters is who loses, and the GOP needed to be taught that it does not dictate to conservatives and Republicans in general which planks are important.

    So we demonstrated that conservatives need to be taken seriously by nominating someone who stands counter to everything conservatives stand for? That is the definition of nonsensical.

    This is as childish as little girls who claim that you can’t fight for peace, you can’t cut taxes to raise revenue, and you can’t incarcerate to protect freedom. Easy to convince little girls with this sort of argument, like the one on the CNNi spot who says “I don’t think any war is fighting”. That’s a beautiful sentiment, and I give full credit for a pure soul and a blessed ignorance of what makes war worth fighting, but that’s because she’s a little girl.

    Grown-ups know better.

    You think the GOP is going to nominate more conservative candidates to appeal to an electorate that has demonstrated that they will reject the most conservative candidate in a generation in favor of the most liberal?

    Your Trumpian condescension aside that is just stupid.

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  4. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    Red Fish, Blue Fish:I say this as a conservative: He needs to understand non-Trump voters, just not conservative ones.

    My recommendation to Trump would be to ignore conservatives. Not because I think conservatives are wrong. I am one, and think we are largely right, and our solutions are largely better. Its because I don’t think electorally it is wise for him to associate with conservative policies and conservative leaders. He gets enough of them just by running against Hillary.

    If Trump all of a sudden started talking about the Constitution it would just serve to make conservatives realize he doesn’t understand it the way conservatives do and also would alienate his voter base who couldn’t care less about it to begin with. It’s a losing strategy. He wins by stealing Hillary voters and demonizing Democrats, not by consolidating conservatives.

    As to convincing others that he is not crazy on foreign policy, only time will tell on that. My personal opinion is that conservative fears are based on misunderstanding him, and juiced by the temperature of an election. That will only dissipate with time, if at all.

    Eventually, if he wins, he will need to govern. Can’t hide a record. It’s then that he will either convince conservatives or lose them permanently. It’s not likely to happen during the election because its not in his interest.

    Right.  He’ll be opposed harder by a GOP Congress than Obama ever was.

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  5. A-Squared Inactive
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    Guruforhire: No it wasn’t. It was against a big spending bill and reductions to medicare.

    I just recently threw away a sign that someone gave me at the Tea Party rally in Chicago.  It said “Just Say No To Socialism”

    It’s a good thing I threw it away since according to you, that was never what the Tea Party was about.

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  6. Klaatu Inactive
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    Bob Laing:

    Ball Diamond Ball:

    Bob Laing:

    Ball Diamond Ball:

    Mission accomplished. I expect the effect on future nomination processes to be much more conservative, regardless of the merits, or utter lack thereof, present in one Jillionaire prick.

    I don’t follow how coalescing behind a person with a less-than-solid record of conservative behavior ensures more conservative picks in the future.

    It occurs to me that this primary represents a shift within the GOP towards cults of personality and nothing else.

    Well that’s your little-girl linear projection to ridiculous ends. It was 75 degrees at breakfast and 90 at lunch. By dinner it will be over a hundred, and we’ll all die at midnight.

    Are you using a Ouija Board to construct your responses? This makes no sense.

    I believe he uses a random word generator.

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  7. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    Klaatu:Put me down as a lost cause as well.

    I’m still waiting for a Trump supporter to point out a single coherent answer he gave in the Washington Post interview a couple of weeks ago.

    How’s that working out for you?  You winning lots of fights by waiting for answers?

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  8. Dave_L Inactive
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    Red Fish, Blue Fish:He [Trump] is going to get more votes in the Republican primary than any other Republican…ever. Let that one swish around in your mouth for a bit before swallowing. Ever.

    I am anxious to see how this point will be explained away in the GOP’s 2016 nomination post-mortem.

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  9. Tom Riehl Member
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    OK, I’ll go first.

    Time to stop whining, wishing, pontificating, posturing and otherwise wasting energy on the Trump choice made by our fellow citizens.   We can however try to help him be a better President, but that won’t be accomplished by calling him a buffoon.

    Now it is time to use all of our considerable skills defeating Progressivism in November.  Nothing else matters now.  Our once great nation simply can’t endure even one more term of their socialism.  One more and possibly the rot will have gone too deep for effective removal, and we’ll be left thinking about how to create the American Dream from scratch, and falling to our knees in supplication to the only One who can save us.

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  10. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Tom Riehl: Now it is time to use all of our considerable skills defeating Progressivism in November.

    Sadly the choice will be between two progressives – not much of choice.

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  11. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    Klaatu:

    Bob Laing:

    Ball Diamond Ball:

    Bob Laing:

    Ball Diamond Ball:

    Mission accomplished. I expect the effect on future nomination processes to be much more conservative, regardless of the merits, or utter lack thereof, present in one Jillionaire prick.

    I don’t follow how coalescing behind a person with a less-than-solid record of conservative behavior ensures more conservative picks in the future.

    It occurs to me that this primary represents a shift within the GOP towards cults of personality and nothing else.

    Well that’s your little-girl linear projection to ridiculous ends. It was 75 degrees at breakfast and 90 at lunch. By dinner it will be over a hundred, and we’ll all die at midnight.

    Are you using a Ouija Board to construct your responses? This makes no sense.

    I believe he uses a random word generator.

    And why not?  I know you’ll be along shortly to re-define the words of conservatives to fit progressive ends.  Just like Reagan, the dirty commie.

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  12. Guruforhire Inactive
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    A-Squared:

    Guruforhire: No it wasn’t. It was against a big spending bill and reductions to medicare.

    I just recently threw away a sign that someone gave me at the Tea Party rally in Chicago. It said “Just Say No To Socialism”

    It’s a good thing I threw it away since according to you, that was never what the Tea Party was about.

    You can say whatever you want, but “Keep your hands off my medicare” is every bit the tea party as whatever else it was about.  I wrote it off as upper middle class day in the park long ago.

    If the tea party was about anything it was about factional ideological projection and solipsism.

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  13. Klaatu Inactive
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    Ball Diamond Ball:

    Klaatu:Put me down as a lost cause as well.

    I’m still waiting for a Trump supporter to point out a single coherent answer he gave in the Washington Post interview a couple of weeks ago.

    How’s that working out for you? You winning lots of fights by waiting for answers?

    I wasn’t aware I was in a fight.

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  14. BD Member
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    #NeverTrump = Conservative Amnesty Party.

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  15. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    Jamie Lockett:

    Tom Riehl: Now it is time to use all of our considerable skills defeating Progressivism in November.

    Sadly the choice will be between two progressives – not much of choice.

    Quitter.

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  16. Red Fish, Blue Fish Inactive
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    Tom Riehl: Time to stop whining, wishing, pontificating, posturing and otherwise wasting energy on the Trump choice made by our fellow citizens. We can however try to help him be a better President, but that won’t be accomplished by calling him a buffoon.

    I agree with this.  We need help steer him.

    And to flip the OP’s post around.  The first step needs to be conservatives trying to understand and convince HIM.  Not the other way around.  We were flat wrong about who the electorate is, and he seems to get it.

    Why?  That’s where we start.

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  17. Tom Meyer, Ed. Member
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    Guruforhire:#nevertrump are the people intellectually and tempermentally incapable of cooperative behavior.

    As I said, it ain’t about us at this point. It’s about you and how you’re going to get #MaybeTrumps over to you.

    Guruforhire: They are like a kid with a nintendo who forgot the rules of next game. Instead of passing the controller for a game, they toss the nintendo out of their window.

    So the lesson I should take from this is that Trump supporters would have all fallen in line and voted ¡Rubio/Jeb! rather than sitting out the election? Got it.

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  18. Klaatu Inactive
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    @Klaatu

    Tom Riehl:OK, I’ll go first.

    Time to stop whining, wishing, pontificating, posturing and otherwise wasting energy on the Trump choice made by our fellow citizens. We can however try to help him be a better President, but that won’t be accomplished by calling him a buffoon.

    Now it is time to use all of our considerable skills defeating Progressivism in November. Nothing else matters now. Our once great nation simply can’t endure even one more term of their socialism. One more and possibly the rot will have gone too deep for effective removal, and we’ll be left thinking about how to create the American Dream from scratch, and falling to our knees in supplication to the only One who can save us.

    With both major party nominees being progressives?

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  19. A-Squared Inactive
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    Guruforhire:You can say whatever you want, but “Keep your hands off my medicare” is every bit the tea party as whatever else it was about. I wrote it off as upper middle class day in the park long ago.

    Wasn’t what I saw, but your experience may have been different.

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  20. Jamie Lockett Member
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    A-Squared:

    Guruforhire:You can say whatever you want, but “Keep your hands off my medicare” is every bit the tea party as whatever else it was about. I wrote it off as upper middle class day in the park long ago.

    Wasn’t what I saw, but your experience may have been different.

    I suspect that Guru’s experience with the TEA Party is limited to what he saw on the news.

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  21. Spin Inactive
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.: Don’t tell people that me, Jon Gabriel, Claire Berlinski, Mona Charen, Kevin Williamson, and Robert Zubrin are jerks.

    Why don’t I get a mention here?  I’m at least as big a jerk as any of those knuckleheads.

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  22. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Spin:

    Tom Meyer, Ed.: Don’t tell people that me, Jon Gabriel, Claire Berlinski, Mona Charen, Kevin Williamson, and Robert Zubrin are jerks.

    Why don’t I get a mention here? I’m at least as big a jerk as any of those knuckleheads.

    Yeah but you’re not as important.

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  23. The King Prawn Inactive
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    Red Fish, Blue Fish: We were flat wrong about who the electorate is, and he seems to get it.

    We still had the fire of the founding burning in our souls. The rest of the nation not so much.

    Now every time I hear Thatcher in the podcast intro saying people want more conservatism instead of socialism I recognize how delusional such a statement is.

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  24. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.: Don’t tell people that me, Jon Gabriel, Claire Berlinski, Mona Charen, Kevin Williamson, and Robert Zubrin are jerks. That hasn’t worked and it’s probably not going to start working any time soon. You need to show them that we’re wrong.

    Tom, we’ve been showing that you’re wrong since “Compassionate Conservatism” blossomed on the scene.  And you don’t care.  Now that you’ve been grievlously wounded, suddenly you;re full of the Kum-ba-yah about how to mend the party.

    Good luck!  been broken for over a decade, and you all are ju-u-ust seeing it.  Go check out Free Republic from eight years ago, or Little Green Footballs from twelve years ago.

    There we were.

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  25. Guruforhire Inactive
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.:

    Guruforhire:#nevertrump are the people intellectually and tempermentally incapable of cooperative behavior.

    As I said, it ain’t about us at this point. It’s about you and how you’re going to get #MaybeTrumps over to you.

    Guruforhire: They are like a kid with a nintendo who forgot the rules of next game. Instead of passing the controller for a game, they toss the nintendo out of their window.

    So the lesson I should take from this is that Trump supporters would have all fallen in line and voted ¡Rubio/Jeb! rather than sitting out the election? Got it.

    Depends on which trump supporters.  The traditionally disaffected would probably return to disaffection, and the cross over voters would probably fall off into disaffection.  The non-disaffected supporters who traditionally vote Republican would come around yes.

    Having a few new kids in the neighborhood over to play doesn’t fundamentally change the dynamic here.

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  26. Ball Diamond Ball Member
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    Spin:

    Tom Meyer, Ed.: Don’t tell people that me, Jon Gabriel, Claire Berlinski, Mona Charen, Kevin Williamson, and Robert Zubrin are jerks.

    Why don’t I get a mention here? I’m at least as big a jerk as any of those knuckleheads.

    Spin, you’re little people.  Oh, and you’re a jerk.

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  27. Fred Cole Inactive
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    “Very nearly certain”?

    He has to win 50% of the remaining delegates. I consider that far from certain.

    He just won, by large margins, the six states that you’d predict he’d win by large margins.

    The map at this point is tougher for him. It’s far from “very nearly certain.”

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  28. Bob Laing Member
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    Ball Diamond Ball:

    Tom Meyer, Ed.: Don’t tell people that me, Jon Gabriel, Claire Berlinski, Mona Charen, Kevin Williamson, and Robert Zubrin are jerks. That hasn’t worked and it’s probably not going to start working any time soon. You need to show them that we’re wrong.

    Tom, we’ve been showing that you’re wrong since “Compassionate Conservatism” blossomed on the scene. And you don’t care. Now that you’ve been grievlously wounded, suddenly you;re full of the Kum-ba-yah about how to mend the party.

    Good luck! been broken for over a decade, and you all are ju-u-ust seeing it. Go check out Free Republic from eight years ago, or Little Green Footballs from twelve years ago.

    There we were.

    Tom never struck me as a member of the Compassionate Conservatism crowd.

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  29. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Spin:

    Tom Meyer, Ed.: Don’t tell people that me, Jon Gabriel, Claire Berlinski, Mona Charen, Kevin Williamson, and Robert Zubrin are jerks.

    Why don’t I get a mention here? I’m at least as big a jerk as any of those knuckleheads.

    Get in line pal.

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  30. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Fred Cole:“Very nearly certain”?

    He has to win 50% of the remaining delegates. I consider that far from certain.

    He just won, by large margins, the six states that you’d predict he’d win by large margins.

    The map at this point is tougher for him. It’s far from “very nearly certain.”

    Amen and order a New York pizza on my tab for the gentleman from the Daily Shot.

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