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Campaigning Like He Wants To Win
Yes, I know. Trump. Short-fingered vulgarian. Enemy of all that’s good. Big state authoritarian. Say what you will about Trump, whoever wants to get in the cage with the Clinton Crime Family™ is going to have to fight like he wants to win. This one’s gotta sting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17EOM3RTD1Y
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Yeah, just awesome. The only guy in the Republican Party who could lose to Hillary, and will lose, is going to go down fighting. But that’s how it is these days. As Woody Harrelson said in White Men Can’t Jump, “You’d rather look good and lose than look bad and win.”
Wouldn’t they be more amazed at how many people have been taken in the Left?
That is a great commercial.
Unfortunately, the biggest take away for me is that this is going to possibly be the most nauseating 8 months of my life. I’m giving even odds that one of these lunatics walks off the stage during one of the debates. 2:1 says a glass of water is thrown by one of them at some point. 3:1 that at least one rally ends in a governor declaring a state of emergency.
Exactly. I’m coming to the conclusion that the reason they despise Trump so is because he’s not part of their intelligentsia club. It’s not the so called “establishment” that have gone off the deep end. It’s the “conservative commentariats.”
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Of course the response to this ad writes itself, http://youtu.be/2AfOH–HlIM
How does the Secret Service doing their job apply to this conversation?
Did you miss the tough guy cowering?
Fress, I’ve been playing that song for awhile now, but no one seems to like it. No hook.
Here is a better view of the incident. I didn’t think he was cowering, but that’s my opinion. As for the supporters, you have to discount the language of the farm boys in the front row. The language of the protesters in Chicago was far worse. (Absolutely NSFW on the Chicago video.)
Given his business history of going back on his word and using the threat of endless legal battles and legal fees to protect him from the wrath of those he’s bilked, I would say that anyone would be an absolute idiot to think that anything he is saying now is in the least bit sincere, or that Trump would suddenly change his spots and not screw over the people he has spent so much time and energy conning.
Then there is the matter of him quite obviously having absolutely no idea what is going on in the world or in this country and having no ideas or plans whatsoever to fix the problems. He doesn’t even respect his marks enough to even really pretend he does.
This is an especially disturbing part to me. I was just exchanging e-mail with a (Turkish) friend who pointed out that the difference in dishonesty between Trump and other candidates or predecessors in office was really only one of plausible deniability; it’s not as if we don’t know that Bill Clinton lied outright in office, for example.
I wrote back that it’s the difference between having an adulterous husband who doesn’t throw it in your face and one who brings home a different woman every night to your bed, and tells you you’re not seeing what you’re seeing and you’re crazy for objecting. Trump’s denying he said things within minutes of having said them — even though he said them with a thousand cameras trained on him — and saying things that indicate just a total contempt for voters’ intelligence, for the country, for the gravity of the problems a president faces. There’s something weirdly masochistic about pretending this isn’t happening and this isn’t a huge problem.
People aren’t just pretending it isn’t happening. They’re belittling people who are trying to point it out and questioning their motives. Instead of being the hero for pointing out that the would-be emperor has no clothes, you’re told that you’re a shill or dupe of the very class of people who is wholly embodied by Trump himself. It’s absurdity on stilts.
We don’t need to be a punchline, so we’re gonna choose Trump?
We are the punchline.
Great. He’ll play to win, but I don’t want him to win.
I think he has a real shot at it because she is just so incredibility awful in every possible way. If nothing else, the usual democrats and ‘centrist’ republicans decide may stay home in droves.
If an actual centrist democrat was running, I might be pursueded to vote democrat this time.
Um, do actual centrist democrats exist anymore, or have they all become republicans (like my current Senator Cory Gardener)? This would actually explain a lot!
Jim Webb. Oh, and John Kasich.
I hear the bit about no ideas all the time. Read his website. There are ideas there, most of them conservative staples. Don’t believe a word of it? Fine, but that’s a different issue – one which Fress is trying to account for and one (among others) which also prevents me from being a supporter rather than simply a defender and passive voter in the general election. Of course, though, if one thinks Trump is just Mussolini mated with Bernie Madoff then it’s obvious how Hillary Clinton(!) is a better vote. Obviously. It’s a wonder how Trump has managed to avoid being strung up by the populace before now.
Otherwise, nice conversing with you. It’s great that so many people like you remain dedicated to the idea of Ricochet as a civil conversation.
No. He has to take power before that happens. When it’s all promises, it’s all cheering crowds. Trump’s mob won’t turn on him until they find out how empty those promises were. It would almost be worth voting for him to see that happen.
The commercial is good. It hits Hillary in exactly the right spot. However, the alternative it presents, Trump, isn’t much better. I can see a counter commercial displaying Trump’s petty little hissy fits and endless hissy tweets. His campaign obviously has enough resources to hire good writers, but even the best cannot compensate for his out of control mouth and miniscule ability to handle anything that resembles criticism. All Vlad would have to do to resolve a problem with Don would be to send him a note saying how much he admires him.
The problem is that Trump sounds like he doesn’t read his own website. It is obviously prepared by others who actually understand the issues and can articulate them. Trump can’t and doesn’t have the wherewithal to just shut up and stop contradicting his own statements and those on the website.
The man who would defend Trump chastises my for not being civil enough. Obscenely ironic.
Quite right. Disagreeing with you is obviously obscene and uncivil. Please accept by apology.
He doesn’t sound that way to me. Oh, I don’t mean that there are no contradictions – there are. I mean that I managed to receive the same message that is on the website despite the contradictions and vulgarity and sometimes simplistic formulations and attention seeking.
You may be right. If Trump wins the primary, I really don’t care much who wins the general. I don’t have a dog in a contest between two Democrats.
I usually fall asleep a few seconds into a political commercial, but this was short and defined Clinton. It put an image to what 3/4 of the nation is thinking.
If Romney has run like Trump we would be watching him lead Hillary to a second term.
Trump is redefining the rules of politics. There’s has been this insane stupidity and fear of running someone who has actually said and done something, mostly because of some silly notion of not wanting to cause offense. And this weird glorification of the innocence of youth. Trump had a record, is not ashamed of it and will not apologize, and causes all kinds of uproar.
The reaction to Trump on the right is identical to the reaction of liberals to anyone to the right of Stalin. shock, horror, character assassination, taking words out if context to slander, etc. this is an old game, I hate it.
Clinton is lucky not to be indicted, and has a good chance of getting to the presidency. An old guy who has a couple half baked policy ideas is giving her a run for the money and humiliating there best and the brightest on the right.
The US military got beat by a bunch of inbred illiterate goat herders, and the cream of the conservative movement area getting beat by these two. I think shame is in order, or repentance.
Assuming Trump is the nominee, it will be an interesting contest between two scandal soaked liars. They both lie, but don’t actually need to lie to trash each other. With Romney, the Democrats hilariously resorted to cutting a commercial pointing out that Romney did not bring Gatorade for his garbage man. In contrast, Trump is so bad that he makes Hillary resort to telling the truth.
There’s a lot of subjective judgment involved. To name just a few names:
I’m otherwise reluctant to identify specific persons. There are people whose work is otherwise quite coherent and that I respect who seem to have just lost their minds on the subject of Trump. That would include at least one main feed podcast contributor (whose identity shouldn’t be that hard to deduce).
National Review is an institutional example. On any given day the majority of articles on their website are negative about one or another facet of Trump, his campaign, something he said or did, something his supporters said or did. I found it telling that the balance of opinion on NRO seemed to be that Trump was primarily responsible for the violent Leftists who dog his rallies, not the Leftists themselves.