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  1. The Question Inactive
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    Red Fish, Blue Fish:

    This is only true if your assumptions about Donald Trump are accurate and he is the horrible Democrat in disguise.

    If Ben Carson has reason to believe that he and Donald Trump agree in a host of issues, then this is a smart move for Ben Carson.

    I don’t think Trump is the monster many around here seem to think he is. He is not who I would choose for President by any means, but the fact that people whom we respected 10 days ago are all of a sudden lining up behind this guy should at least give you some pause in judging Trump so harshly. They are seeing something that perhaps hatred in the midst of a campaign is preventing others from seeing.

    .

    Maybe I’ll watch it.  The Christie endorsement made me more wary of Trump.  When Christie was introducing Trump, I felt like he had an alien attached to his neck controlling his actions, or he was under a voodoo spell or something.  It was creepy.

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  2. Chuck Grady Member
    Chuck Grady
    @ChuckGrady

    This is disappointing.  Not that I think it improves Trump but because it diminishes a good man.  I was not a candidate-Carson supporter because I just didn’t think he was cut out for this business and had no chance of winning.

    Of the remaining candidates, Trump seems the least likely home for those who supported Carson.  Besides their “outsider” status, what else do they have in common?  Which begs the question, What does Carson get for this?

    In terms of moving actual supporters, I think Carson’s endorsement would have meant more to any of the others than it will end up meaning to Trump.  Perhaps a savvy defensive move by Trump to take Carson off the table?

    Carson must really dislike Cruz.

    Finally, I called my 84 year old Mom this morning because she’s a big fan of Carson and had donated generously to his campaign.  She said she was sick to her stomach about the endorsement.  She can’t stand Trump, is no fan of Cruz and didn’t even mention Rubio.  She now lines up with Kasich (c’mon Mom, really?).

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  3. Jager Coolidge
    Jager
    @Jager

    Jamie Lockett:

    Red Fish, Blue Fish:

    That’s false. No, he is not a crusader on the issue. But he has provided a pro-life position, with caveats, in every debate so far when the issue was raised. His answers in debates have been the Republican Party platform for generations, with the exception being that he would not pull all funding on Planned Parenthood. You know who else won’t pull funding on Planned Parenthood…a majority of elected officials in the Republican Party.

    You mean the elected officials that just voted to de-fund Planned Parenthood?

    Look, I get being frustrated with Republicans, for Christ’s sake I’m the bloody Libertarian in the room, but when you ignore reality just to stoke the fires of your rage you beclown yourselves.

    The confusion is understandable. Just a few weeks prior the Republicans voted in the Omnibus bill to fully fund Planned Parenthood.

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  4. Jamie Lockett Member
    Jamie Lockett
    @JamieLockett

    Red Fish, Blue Fish:

    Jamie Lockett: You mean the elected officials that just voted to de-fund Planned Parenthood?

    Yes, those elected officials who voted to fund Planned Parenthood in every single budget of their careers until now. Umm, so are they pro-abortion too?

    My point being that Donald Trump’s stated position was the Republican Party’s position on abortion in action since Roe v. Wade.

    All of a sudden, that’s pro-abortion.

    I don’t recall any of those politicians standing on a Republican debate stage and defending the virtues and necessity of Planned Parenthood.

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  5. iDad Inactive
    iDad
    @iDad

    Say goodnight, Ben.

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  6. The Question Inactive
    The Question
    @TheQuestion

    I just watched Trump’s introduction to Carson.  Can someone please explain to me again how Trump is not a politician?  He runs Carson down last year, now he says he’s wonderful.  That’s fine.  This is politics.  But Trump is a politician.  He’s the quintessential politician.

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  7. Whiskey Sam Inactive
    Whiskey Sam
    @WhiskeySam

    Didn’t see that one coming

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  8. She Member
    She
    @She

    Oh, Lord.

    Now we must be lectured on how “There are two different Donald Trumps,” one who “sits on the stage,” and “one who is cerebral.”

    I thought Ben Carson was a brain surgeon, not a psychiatrist.

    And I thought Donald Trump was the no-holds-barred, give-it-to-us-straight, tell-it-like-it-is  candidate.

    You mean what we see is not what we’re going to get? ?

    You mean he’s been lying about himself all along??  

    That’s not possible.

    Is it?

    Now, I suppose we are going to have to go through endless iterations of Donald Trump re-introducing himself, a la Hillary Clinton, to the voting public.

    Watch in stupefied admiration as the  amazing two-faced, double-jointed, man threads the needle between buffoonish vulgarian and insightful intellectual simultaneously keeping everyone on board who’s already there, and piping new midshipmen over the side in droves.  Get ready to ‘get to know the real Donald Trump.’

    Because, clearly, he’s done a very bad job of promoting himself to most of us thus far.

    Thank heavens Ben is around to help steer the ship.

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  9. GLDIII Reagan
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    @GLDIII

    RyanM

    Here’s why I’ll vote for Hillary: in 4 years, we could have another shot at the presidency. Maybe that would be enough time for us to either wake up or form a new political party out of the republican ashes.
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    Sorry Ryan that is a bridge too far. I know you were not old enought to witness her venomous performance the first trip thru DC. I could never vote for her even with all of the irritation I have for the current titular leaders in the GOP.

    If it is between Trump and Clinton I will write in Micky Mouse, because only he knows who moved my cheese.

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  10. billy Inactive
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    Red Fish, Blue Fish:

    RyanM: Actually, it is true if Trump is an unpleasant, boorish jerk,

    A lot of people, including apparently Ben Carson, don’t think that he is an unpleasant, boorish jerk. That’s an opinion.

    RyanM: who supports abortion (etc…)

    That’s false. No, he is not a crusader on the issue. But he has provided a pro-life position, with caveats, in every debate so far when the issue was raised. His answers in debates have been the Republican Party platform for generations, with the exception being that he would not pull all funding on Planned Parenthood. You know who else won’t pull funding on Planned Parenthood…a majority of elected officials in the Republican Party.

    He is strongly pro-life in the past few months.

    He has been pro partial birth abortion in the past.

    Stop kidding yourself

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  11. The Question Inactive
    The Question
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    GLDIII:RyanM

    Here’s why I’ll vote for Hillary: in 4 years, we could have another shot at the presidency. Maybe that would be enough time for us to either wake up or form a new political party out of the republican ashes.
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    Sorry Ryan that is a bridge too far. I know you were not old enought to witness her venomous performance the first trip thru DC. I could never vote for her even with all of the irritation I have for the current titular leaders in the GOP.

    If it is between Trump and Clinton I will write in Micky Mouse, because only he knows who moved my cheese.

    I don’t plan to vote for Hillary or Trump, unless I find out something worse about one or the other, like that they are a vampire or something.

    I’m amused that some people are saying they can’t vote for Trump because he doesn’t respect women.  Of all the people the Democrats could nominate, they got someone who respects women even less than Trump does.  Bad as he is, I’m not aware of Trump bullying rape victims.

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  12. EEM Inactive
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    I’m getting tired of political figures (and voters) making decisions in what can only be described as a fit of pique.

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  13. Douglas Inactive
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    Geez, guys. Bitter much? If what I think may happen plays out…. Trump offers Cruz Veep and Cruz accepts…. looks like there’s going to be a lot of wrist-slitting here.

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  14. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Member
    Claire Berlinski, Ed.
    @Claire

    Based on that speech, I’m very sad it wasn’t Trump endorsing Carson.

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  15. GirlWithAPearl Inactive
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    Hey, dr bens specialty is surgically separating twins! I heard him say something like, my schizophrenic is better than your pathological liar…would these healing hands steer you wrong?

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  16. Marley's Ghost Coolidge
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    @MarleysGhost

    This endorsement defies the logic that Ben Carson has purported to be necessary to pick a qualified candidate.  I have NO IDEA why he would choose Trump even over someone like Rubio or even Kasich.  Terribly disappointing to say the least and as I stated initially it is inexplicable taken in light of ALL of his previous statements regarding how we should pick a nominee.

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  17. iWe Coolidge
    iWe
    @iWe

    Douglas:Geez, guys. Bitter much? If what I think may happen plays out…. Trump offers Cruz Veep and Cruz accepts…. looks like there’s going to be a lot of wrist-slitting here.

    If Trump swore to appoint Cruz to SCOTUS, that would make it possible for me to vote for him. Even though I would be terrified by what he would otherwise do to the nation.

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  18. Theodoric of Freiberg Inactive
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    Ben Carson has dropped several more notches on my respect scale. :-(

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  19. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    @TheCloakedGaijin

    Liz:I can’t watch it.

    Me either.

    I remember Hugh Hewitt saying that he knew Arianna Huffington at least three Ariannas ago.

    Well, Ann Coulter the pragmatist and Chris Christie fan boy said that we should only support governors and senators from president, although I think vice presidents, secretaries of state, and ghosts of five-star generals are also qualified.

    Someone with a record would be better.  Any (expletive deleted) can say anything without a record.

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  20. RyanM Inactive
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    @RyanM

    GLDIII:RyanM

    Here’s why I’ll vote for Hillary: in 4 years, we could have another shot at the presidency. Maybe that would be enough time for us to either wake up or form a new political party out of the republican ashes.
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    Sorry Ryan that is a bridge too far. I know you were not old enought to witness her venomous performance the first trip thru DC. I could never vote for her even with all of the irritation I have for the current titular leaders in the GOP.

    If it is between Trump and Clinton I will write in Micky Mouse, because only he knows who moved my cheese.

    I was in High-School during her trip through DC.  But as I said, even with all of that, perhaps she can rally republicans to reject her in a way they never did manage to reject Obama.  She is almost as disgusting as Trump, and it is likely that a challenge in 4 years would yield good results if we can pull our collective heads out of the mud.  While I believe that Trump has a 0% chance of winning a general election, I think the point is moot, but my conscience could support the decision to pull for Hillary over Trump, never the other way around.  If, by some miracle, Trump happened to win, we’d be stuck with him as our candidate in 2020 as well.  I’m not willing to doom us to 8 years when I can doom us to 4 instead.

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  21. RyanM Inactive
    RyanM
    @RyanM

    iWe:

    Douglas:Geez, guys. Bitter much? If what I think may happen plays out…. Trump offers Cruz Veep and Cruz accepts…. looks like there’s going to be a lot of wrist-slitting here.

    If Trump swore to appoint Cruz to SCOTUS, that would make it possible for me to vote for him. Even though I would be terrified by what he would otherwise do to the nation.

    A) That will never happen

    B) Even if he did say it, he would not follow through

    C) Cruz would be blocked, and then we’d get Trump’s sister anyway

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  22. RyanM Inactive
    RyanM
    @RyanM

    Douglas:Geez, guys. Bitter much? If what I think may happen plays out…. Trump offers Cruz Veep and Cruz accepts…. looks like there’s going to be a lot of wrist-slitting here.

    Trump offers Cruz Veep and they both lose.  My wrists will be intact.  I’m not a huge Cruz fan, either, so maybe we’d get someone decent for 2020.  Perhaps Walker was biding his time.

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  23. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    @RandyWeivoda

    Frank Soto:All you have to do to get Ben Carson’s endorsement is compare him to a child molester.

    And question whether his religion is as good as Trump’s.

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  24. dukenaltum Inactive
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    Carson’s antics of faux indignation during the self inflicted Iowa Caucus kerfuffle eliminated any respect or consideration for him.  This treachery kills any residual appreciation for his long overdue departure from a race that he was never qualified to participate in.

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  25. Theodoric of Freiberg Inactive
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    Why would a surgeon endorse a political candidate who incites his followers to violence?

    http://youtu.be/u3fKpztpTY0

    This is sickening.

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  26. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    Someone else made an endorsement today:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432682/ted-cruz-national-review-endorses-texas-senator-president

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  27. Jules PA Inactive
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    We went from a “deep field” of candidates and this is where we are?

    How do we organize national unity for a single name write in candidate?

    I just deleted Ben Carson from my FB. And he was the first ‘political’ page I ever added on my FB.

    we are truly through the looking glass. Wher is the hookah-smoking caterpillar?

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  28. Jamie Lockett Member
    Jamie Lockett
    @JamieLockett

    The Cloaked Gaijin:Someone else made an endorsement today:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432682/ted-cruz-national-review-endorses-texas-senator-president

    But I thought National Review was a bunch of America Hating RINO Leftist-Libertarian Chamber of Commerce Club for Growth Amnesty Mongering Wimps who refuse to FIGHT…this is IMPOSSIBLE. WE MUST FIGHT. ARGHLEGARBLEWARBLEFARBLE….

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  29. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    @TheCloakedGaijin

    Jamie Lockett:

    The Cloaked Gaijin:Someone else made an endorsement today:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432682/ted-cruz-national-review-endorses-texas-senator-president

    But I thought National Review was a bunch of America Hating RINO Leftist-Libertarian Chamber of Commerce Club for Growth Amnesty Mongering Wimps who refuse to FIGHT…this is IMPOSSIBLE. WE MUST FIGHT. ARGHLEGARBLEWARBLEFARBLE….

    I guess those are the words of either a Rubio backer or a Trump backer.  (Just trying to be funny.)

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  30. Theodoric of Freiberg Inactive
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    The Cloaked Gaijin: Well, Ann Coulter the pragmatist…….

    Ann Coulter told us Romney was the man in 2012. She was wrong then and she’s wrong now.

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