Breaking: CNN Calls Race for Trump & Sanders

 

With just a few percent in, too:

Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Bernie Sanders have cruised to victories in the New Hampshire primary, CNN projects, in a pair of results that will shake up the presidential race and confirm the strength of anti-establishment candidates. The billionaire reality star’s victory restores the mantle of a winner to his campaign after he trailed in second last week in Iowa and validates him as a powerful new force in American politics.
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Sanders, meanwhile, delivered a painful blow to Democratic national front-runner Hillary Clinton after she edged out the slimmest of victories in Iowa. His win ensures that the fight for the Democratic nomination will only intensify heading into Nevada, South Carolina and the Super Tuesday contest and may exacerbate signs of internal discontent about the structure of Clinton’s campaign that are already emerging.

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  1. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Joseph Eagar:

    Jamie Lockett:Who is blaming working class people? I’m simply pointing out that the conservative solution to all this is not what they are asking for and what they are asking for would not actually help them in the end. The collapse in productivity has more to do with the slowing pace of truly transformative productivity inventions, the rise of applications and technology that lower transaction costs to free or near free and government regulation of industry than anything to do with trade or labor protectionism, but that’s not what these people want to hear. They want to hear that someone is going to win, for them, somehow, we’ll get to the specifics later.

    No one is claiming trade protectionism raises productivity, but labor protectionism does seem to be a different thing, at least when combined with other structural reforms (e.g deregulation of product and service markets).

    How does one implement labor protectionism in a global economy without also enacting trade protectionism? Who determines what jobs get protected? How? Why is it governments job to do so? Where in the Constitution is the government granted the power to do these things?

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  2. Paul Dougherty Member
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    Leigh:

    Paul Dougherty:At the risk of being laughed off Ricochet, I sense that the plan for change will generate in the House. After the passing of the Omnibus (resting of old era) Speaker Ryan has sent a repeal of ACA and defunding of Planned Parenthood to the President (admittedly symbolic) and seems to be returning to regular order. I noticed the rare action of not even scheduling a hearing of the Presidents budget. I know most conservatives have given up on him but I sense hope from Speaker Ryan.

    I missed, and rather like, that bit about not giving the President’s budget a hearing — even though I’m not sure that fits into the “regular order” style.

    But how much do most people hear about these things?

    Beyond symbolism and an agenda, how many people know that, thanks to Congressional Republicans, President Obama leaves the Department of Education less powerful than he found it? That they got through provisions that would do much to protect states if Clinton becomes president, while leaving room for a Republican to go farther?

    Here is a CNN report on the tiff.

    My favorite pull- “Republicans said before the document even arrived they would break the long precedent of hearing from the President’s budget chief as they draft their own fiscal blueprint.”

    and “The decision enraged Democrats, who said the decision broke four decades of precedent.”

    This all took place during the NH primary.

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  3. Joseph Eagar Member
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    Jamie Lockett:

    Joseph Eagar:

    Jamie Lockett:Who is blaming working class people? I’m simply pointing out that the conservative solution to all this is not what they are asking for and what they are asking for would not actually help them in the end. The collapse in productivity has more to do with the slowing pace of truly transformative productivity inventions,

    No one is claiming trade protectionism raises productivity, but labor protectionism does seem to be a different thing, at least when combined with other structural reforms (e.g deregulation of product and service markets).

    How does one implement labor protectionism in a global economy without also enacting trade protectionism? Who determines what jobs get protected? How? Why is it governments job to do so? Where in the Constitution is the government granted the power to do these things?

    You do realize our Founders invented a form of protectionism?  The so-called American  School of the 19th century?  Protectionism has always been constitutional; the Constitution clearly gives the federal government the right to levy tariffs and control the borders.

    And it’s not a matter of picking and choosing jobs.  It’s about engineering a tight labor market; once the government has restricted the supply of labor, employers will sort out how best to allocate workers themselves.

    Picking and choosing which jobs to protect is why so many upper middle class professions are so heavily subsidized.  Of course I’m not advocating that.

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  4. Leigh Inactive
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    Paul Dougherty:My favorite pull- “Republicans said before the document even arrived they would break the long precedent of hearing from the President’s budget chief as they draft their own fiscal blueprint.”

    and “The decision enraged Democrats, who said the decision broke four decades of precedent.”

    Yes, I’d missed that. I’d seen Ryan saying the tax hike idea was dead on arrival, but I would have taken that for granted. And of course Ryan is making the most of it politically — a rare chance to give Republicans a hint of what Obama would be doing if Ryan et al weren’t in his way.

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  5. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Joseph Eagar:

    Jamie Lockett:

    Joseph Eagar:

    Jamie Lockett:Who is blaming working class people? I’m simply pointing out that the conservative solution to all this is not what they are asking for and what they are asking for would not actually help them in the end. The collapse in productivity has more to do with the slowing pace of truly transformative productivity inventions,

    No one is claiming trade protectionism raises productivity, but labor protectionism does seem to be a different thing, at least when combined with other structural reforms (e.g deregulation of product and service markets).

    How does one implement labor protectionism in a global economy without also enacting trade protectionism? Who determines what jobs get protected? How? Why is it governments job to do so? Where in the Constitution is the government granted the power to do these things?

    You do realize our Founders invented a form of protectionism? The so-called American School of the 19th century? Protectionism has always been constitutional; the Constitution clearly gives the federal government the right to levy tariffs and control the borders.

    And it’s not a matter of picking and choosing jobs. It’s about engineering a tight labor market; once the government has restricted the supply of labor, employers will sort out how best to allocate workers themselves.

    Picking and choosing which jobs to protect is why so many upper middle class professions are so heavily subsidized. Of course I’m not advocating that.

    Again you’re talking about trade protectionism to enforce a restricted labor market. Do you really think that’s going to work in a modern globalized economy?

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  6. Jamie Lockett Member
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    BrentB67:Jamie, your analysis is correct and relevant. Tom’s concurrence lends credence to your thoughts.

    My rebuttal. We are so far away from conservative solutions to problems that nobody is proposing conservative solutions let alone explaining why those are preferable to the strong man scenario.

    Republicans offer candidates who outside of possibly Ted Cruz and Rand Paul have no interest in fighting for anything approaching a limited gov’t free market approach to our problems. Considering we have no committed limited gov’t candidates is it any shock none of them are evangelizing limited gov’t/free market principles to Trump’s (or anyone else) supporters?

    Republicans are a different party of big gov’t. This is what I have been pounding the table about. Republicans gave up on the Constitutional limits, accept the extra Constitutional role of the federal government, and only propose to manage it differently. Not reduce or eliminate any of it. Liberty declines and reliance on gov’t intervention increases at all levels under either a Republican or Democrat administration.

    Since Republicans surrendered on limited gov’t please do not be shocked that a majority of voters now wants bigger better managers for the leviathan bureaucracy. Who better than the guy promising everything for nothing (Sanders) or fabulous winning with Trump?

    We wanted a debt funded welfare state. Now we have it. Welcome to the consequences portion of the program. Once you agree to extra Constitutional government all that is left is deciding which strongman wins.

    Sorry I missed this earlier. You’re not entirely wrong, but I would argue that you’re letting your perfect be the enemy of the good here. I see no path towards the minarchist constitutional state that you and I prefer through one single President. Even if we elect Ludwig Rand von Hayek president tomorrow and populate congress entirely with attendees from Freedom Fest, they will not return us to our platonic ideal of government. What matters is that we are moving in the right direction. Reagan didn’t achieve all of his limited government goals like eliminating the Dept. of Education, but he did move the country rightwards – that matters. My belief is that we need a President that will move us in that direction while showing the people the positives of limited government. People scare easily. People don’t like change. Thus change has to be gradual and the positives need to be emphasized. Within any given Presidency there is probably capital for one or two big pushes (Reagan had Taxes and defeating the Soviets, Obama had Healthcare). It will take many presidents in a row to get us where you and I would like. To that end I think its more important to get someone elected who will win on one or two important conservative issues rather than try and force Ludwig Rand von Hayek into the general election which would just result in President Hilary Sanders.

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  7. Leigh Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett: Even if we elect Ludwig Rand von Hayek president tomorrow and populate congress entirely with attendees from Freedom Fest, they will not return us to our platonic ideal of government. What matters is that we are moving in the right direction.

    I would add to this that there are two things that matter. There are the goals we seek, and there is the desperate urgency of preserving what we have left. If we think that is not worth our while we have no understanding of how much we have to lose.

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  8. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett:

    BrentB67:…

    Sorry I missed this earlier. You’re not entirely wrong, but I would argue that you’re letting your perfect be the enemy of the good here. I see no path towards the minarchist constitutional state that you and I prefer through one single President. Even if we elect Ludwig Rand von Hayek president tomorrow and populate congress entirely with attendees from Freedom Fest, they will not return us to our platonic ideal of government. What matters is that we are moving in the right direction. Reagan didn’t achieve all of his limited government goals like eliminating the Dept. of Education, but he did move the country rightwards – that matters. My belief is that we need a President that will move us in that direction while showing the people the positives of limited government. People scare easily. People don’t like change. Thus change has to be gradual and the positives need to be emphasized. Within any given Presidency there is probably capital for one or two big pushes (Reagan had Taxes and defeating the Soviets, Obama had Healthcare). It will take many presidents in a row to get us where you and I would like. To that end I think its more important to get someone elected who will win on one or two important conservative issues rather than try and force Ludwig Rand von Hayek into the general election which would just result in President Hilary Sanders.

    So who is moving that way?

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  9. Jamie Lockett Member
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    BrentB67: So who is moving that way?

    I would say that either President Cruz or President Rubio would move us in the right direction. President Walker sure would have.

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