Breaking: CNN Calls Race for Trump & Sanders

 

With just a few percent in, too:

Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Bernie Sanders have cruised to victories in the New Hampshire primary, CNN projects, in a pair of results that will shake up the presidential race and confirm the strength of anti-establishment candidates. The billionaire reality star’s victory restores the mantle of a winner to his campaign after he trailed in second last week in Iowa and validates him as a powerful new force in American politics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTh2DwlR-N0

Sanders, meanwhile, delivered a painful blow to Democratic national front-runner Hillary Clinton after she edged out the slimmest of victories in Iowa. His win ensures that the fight for the Democratic nomination will only intensify heading into Nevada, South Carolina and the Super Tuesday contest and may exacerbate signs of internal discontent about the structure of Clinton’s campaign that are already emerging.

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  1. Ryan M Inactive
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    Melissa O'Sullivan: It appears that the Establishment Republicans will apparently go to any distance to stop Trump. Why? Because he is outside their ranks in much the same way that Buckley was outside the norm when he ran for mayor of New York. Bill too could be acidic, tempestuous and cutting in his own unique, yes, urbane way. Get used to Trump. This is a new era.

    There is obviously more to it than that.  I would go to any distance to stop Trump as well, and it has nothing to do with grand DC conspiracy theories.  It has to do with the candidate.

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  2. Ryan M Inactive
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    BrentB67: Respectfully to Tom and others. TKC1101, me, and others have been saying for months: This isn’t about Trump, it is about his supporters and the phenomena.

    The problem is that everyone keeps saying this as a defense of Trump.  It’s not a defense of him, nor is it an argument against those of us who dislike him.

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  3. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    Leigh:…I really, really don’t like seeing Bush beating Rubio by running the kind of campaign he did.

    Actually, they are both at 11% at the moment.

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  4. Metalheaddoc Member
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    Paul Dougherty:I have a question for Mr Trump:

    In the unlikely event that Mexico drops out of your deal to fund building the wall, will you proceed with the massive project with another source of funding? If so, from where are the funds to be obtained?

    Advertising, baby! Lots of room for ads on both sides was the wall.

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  5. Paul Dougherty Member
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    Metalheaddoc:

    Paul Dougherty:I have a question for Mr Trump:

    In the unlikely event that Mexico drops out of your deal to fund building the wall, will you proceed with the massive project with another source of funding? If so, from where are the funds to be obtained?

    Advertising, baby! Lots of room for ads on both sides was the wall.

    I’m tempted to query as to who would be so foolish as to purchase advertising on the huge wall but then I glance to the thread headline and am reminded.

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  6. AIG Inactive
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    Paul Dougherty:I have a question for Mr Trump:

    In the unlikely event that Mexico drops out of your deal to fund building the wall, will you proceed with the massive project with another source of funding? If so, from where are the funds to be obtained?

    “We’ll make China pay for it with all the money they’ve stolen from us” ~ The Donald

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  7. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Do not despair Ricochetti. If it ends up a three way race between Trump-R, Sanders-D, and Bloomberg-I, it seems entirely plausible Bloomberg would win enough states in the northeast corridor (especially NY with 29 electoral votes) to force the matter to Congress. What could possibly go wrong there?

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  8. Elephas Americanus Member
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    This is what happens when the outer suburbs of Boston get to hold the nation’s first presidential primary.

    fldore:Who knew New Hampshire turned into Europe. A big gov’t nationalist in Trump and a socialist in Bernie. This may as well be the National Front vs the Socialist Party of France.

    This wasn’t New Hampshire voting; this was Taxachusetts. The southern part of the state, which is where the vast majority of the population is located, is inhabited by Boston’s version of the bridge-and-tunnel crowd now.

    Yet another reason to give Iowa and New Hampshire the boot from the top of the voting pile…

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  9. AIG Inactive
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    Dear Mike LaRoche, I suspect you have a Bernie Sanders voter there in your picture. For some reason, I think that furies are over-represented in his electoral base.

    If you were looking for a picture of a modal Trump voter, might I suggest:

    KennyPowers

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  10. Elephas Americanus Member
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    “Yeah, President Trump is gonna be wicked smaht! Go Sox!” – the average NH primary Trump voter

    I also wouldn’t discount the “Sanjaya effect” of Denocrats’ voting in the open Republican primary for the worst candidate possible. (Hence Jeb Bush’s stultifying “success” tonight…) Were it a closed primary, the outcome would certainly be much different.

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  11. livingthehighlife Inactive
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    It’s official, we’re f’ed.

    That’s all.  Good night.

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  12. AIG Inactive
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    Elephas Americanus:Were it a closed primary, the outcome would certainly be much different.

    More votes for Trump? That’s what I suspect.

    Seriously people, can we get back some restrictions on voting. Simply being able to breath from your mouth can’t possibly be a sufficient qualification for voting for any office.

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  13. TKC1101 Member
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    Paul Dougherty: In the unlikely event that Mexico drops out of your deal to fund building the wall, will you proceed with the massive project with another source of funding? If so, from where are the funds to be obtained?

    So I assume you have a problem with an excise tax on remittances from non US citizens to Mexico? Did you think we were going to send them a bill?

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  14. Freesmith Member
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    Thank you, Chris Christie, for exposing the grinning facade known as Marco Rubio. The GOP voters of New Hampshire saw the truth and gave Chuck Schumer’s cat’s paw the support he deserved.

    Four times in the last debate Rubio proclaimed that Obama is deliberately trying to transform America according to a vision inimical to our traditions. Yet Rubio voluntarily became the vital Hispanic Republican front man for Obama’s number one second-term domestic priority, Comprehensive Immigration Reform, a policy and a piece of legislation that every single solitary Democrat supported. Obama even had a “war room” in the Senate Building to coordinate the efforts to pass CIR.

    By his own words and through his own actions Rubio cooperated to implement the destructive Obama’s plan. Now he wants to be President?

    Chief Dupe, OK. Chief Executive, never.

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  15. Jules PA Inactive
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    Maybe they make voters wear blindfolds in the NH voting booth?

    Or maybe NH voting booths resemble boardwalk “Whac-A-Mole” game?

    iur

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  16. AIG Inactive
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    Jules PA:Maybe they make voters wear blindfolds in the NH voting booth?

    Or maybe NH voting booths resemble boardwalk “Whac-A-Mole” game?

    Or maybe time to finally admit: you reap what you saw. 8 years of pandering to “the base”, eventually leads to the base. As in, the bottom of the bottom.

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  17. Jamie Lockett Member
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    TKC1101: called sub human at worst.

    I call shenanigans. Link or it didn’t happen.

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  18. Paul Dougherty Member
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    TKC1101:

    Paul Dougherty: In the unlikely event that Mexico drops out of your deal to fund building the wall, will you proceed with the massive project with another source of funding? If so, from where are the funds to be obtained?

    So I assume you have a problem with an excise tax on remittances from non US citizens to Mexico? Did you think we were going to send them a bill?

    Actually, I do kind of have a problem with that. I assume that the money belongs to the person making the transfer to Mexico. Assuming the money wasn’t stolen and fairly earned as a trade for service and assuming lack of prosecution of illegal activity including immigration status, kind of seems unduly punitive to put the security burden on these people.

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  19. AIG Inactive
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    Paul Dougherty:Actually, I do kind of have a problem with that. I assume that the money belongs to the person making the transfer to Mexico. Assuming the money wasn’t stolen and fairly earned as a trade for service and assuming lack of prosecution of illegal activity including immigration status, kind of seems unduly punitive to put the security burden on these people.

    When a Republican candidate advocates for stealing other people’s money, it’s not Socialism.

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  20. AIG Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett:

    TKC1101: called sub human at worst.

    I call shenanigans. Link or it didn’t happen.

    Well, I did call them mouth breathers. So he’s got a point there. Although in my defense, I included both Trump’s and Sanders’ voters in that description. So I’m covered.

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  21. TKC1101 Member
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    Paul Dougherty: Actually, I do kind of have a problem with that. I assume that the money belongs to the person making the transfer to Mexico. Assuming the money wasn’t stolen and fairly earned as a trade for service and assuming lack of prosecution of illegal activity including immigration status, kind of seems unduly punitive to put the security burden on these people.

    Then all excise taxes are illegal under your definition. Good luck with that.

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  22. TKC1101 Member
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    Jamie Lockett: I call shenanigans. Link or it didn’t happen.

    Read AIG on this very thread.

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  23. Tom Meyer, Ed. Member
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    Melissa O'Sullivan:Trump … would defend the Founding, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Federalist Papers. Trump is a real conservative — in the arena. He is striking a cord with the public without hiring a speechwriter either (sorry George.)

    No, he won’t. Trump shows not only no knowledge of separation of powers, but positive disdain for the concept.

    He’s going to make Obama look like an amateur when it comes to unrestrained power.

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  24. AIG Inactive
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    TKC1101:

    Jamie Lockett: I call shenanigans. Link or it didn’t happen.

    Read AIG on this very thread.

    I’m just trying to make America great again. I agree with The Donald, “How stupid are the people of Iowa?”

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  25. Joseph Eagar Member
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    I can’t stand the “voters are irrational” argument.  There’s a much simpler explanation: intergroup conflict is on the rise in the U.S., politicians are playing power politics, and voters are voting their own interests, either to protect themselves or punish their “enemies.”

    Of course it’s a huge taboo to admit that, so instead we just call everyone stupid.

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  26. Tom Meyer, Ed. Member
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    BrentB67:Respectfully to Tom and others. TKC1101, me, and others have been saying for months: This isn’t about Trump, it is about his supporters and the phenomena.

    And I’ve been saying for months that there’s a huge cohort of voters who are being underserved by the other republican choices, particularly on immigration (though I maintain that this is very different than being “ignored”). We agree here.

    But it is about Trump, too. When people voted for Obama in 2008 because they were angry at Bush and wanted to elect a black guy, the particular candidate they chose came with all the baggage and problems we’ve been struggling under.

    If people wanted to send a message, there were better vessels to be found in the country than Trump and now the message is inseparable from Trump.

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  27. AIG Inactive
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    Joseph Eagar:I can’t stand the “voters are irrational” argument. There’s a much simpler explanation: intergroup conflict is on the rise in the U.S., politicians are playing power politics, and voters are voting their own interests, either to protect themselves or punish their “enemies.”

    Of course it’s a huge taboo to admit that, so instead we just call everyone stupid.

    No you’re misinterpreting my stance. I didn’t say it was irrational. They are perfectly rational in voting for the person they think best represents their views.

    And that’s precisely the problem. If Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump represent the views of most of the electorate, it’s time to rejoin the Commonwealth of Nations. No point in dragging this experiment on. At least we in Texas always have other options.

    Being rational and not being too intelligent are not mutually exclusive. They’re perfectly compatible. The fact that “inter-group conflicts” are rising is evidence of the later.

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  28. TKC1101 Member
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    Tom Meyer, Ed.: underserved by the other republican choices, particularly on immigration (though I maintain that this is very different than being “ignored”).

    Sorry, I was not aware that “underserved” was a synonym for “Screwed royally”

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  29. Craig Inactive
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    Interesting Tweet from AP reporter Kathleen Ronayne

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  30. AIG Inactive
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    TKC1101:

    Tom Meyer, Ed.: underserved by the other republican choices, particularly on immigration (though I maintain that this is very different than being “ignored”).

    Sorry, I was not aware that “underserved” was a synonym for “Screwed royally”

    I have a serious question for you Donald Trump populist “listen to me!” types:

    Where exactly did you get the idea that the US government was set up to listen to your desires? Why is “they don’t listen to me!” such an important issue for you? Is it purely narcissism, or do you actually think this nation was set up to listen to the whims of the mob?

    Isn’t this exactly the mirror image of the Bernie Sander’s supporters? “I want it!” is the rally cry of Socialist babies. “Listen to what I want!”, is the rally cry of Trump narcissists. (what they want is the same thing in both cases, other people’s money)

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