Welcome to Adulthood; Please Visit the Post Office

 

During the debate last weekend, the candidates (starting with Rubio) were asked their stance on women being required to sign up for Selective Service. Rubio answered yes, and people lost their minds. Apparently, listening to the whole statement and following the thought from one complete sentence to the next is too much for some. Here’s the transcript of the exchange:

Raddatz: I want to move on to the military. Senator Rubio, all restrictions on women in combat as long as they qualify. Positions including special operations forces, like Navy Seals. Just this week military leaders of the Army and Marine Corps said that they believed young women, just as young men are required to do, should sign up for Selective Service in case the Draft is reinstated.

Many of you have young daughters. Senator Rubio, should young women be required to sign up for Selective Service in case of a national emergency?

Rubio: First, let me say there are already women today serving in roles that are like combat. That, in fact, whose lives are in very serious danger, and so I have no problem whatsoever with people of either gender serving in combat so long as the minimum requirements necessary to do the job are not compromised. But, I support that, and obviously now that that is the case I do believe that Selective Service should be opened up for both men and women in case a Draft is ever instituted.

What he said was this: a) Women already serve in arduous roles in the military in which their lives are just as much in danger as the men they serve along side; b) Women in combat are not an issue to him provided standards are not lowered to accommodate them; and c) Because the other two statements are true, registering for Selective Service is the next logical step for women concerning our armed services.

As to the first statement, yes, women are already serving in near-combat roles, placing themselves in harm’s way, and do serve and sacrifice themselves in many of the same ways as the young men of our nation. We can argue whether or not this should be the case, but it is the current reality. I work alongside some of these young women, and they serve just as honorably as their male counterparts. In fact, some of them pour extra effort into their service in order to be seen as equal. There are, however, times where they simply are not biologically equal to men. When they have to pull the poles at some of the vehicle gates to allow passage of oversized vehicles some (not all, but certainly a number of them) are not physically strong enough or even tall enough to drag the heavy iron posts out of the holes in the ground. There is also the problem that their sex cannot be hidden. Even wearing full tactical gear I can tell which ones are women from a considerable distance. The enemy could as well.

The second point is really a conundrum for our military. Military service must be towards the end of combat effectiveness, and that requires a heightened level of physical capability. As the Army learned when all eight women who first tried to become Rangers failed, there are few women who will make the grade. The Marines have determined that simply mixing the sexes in combat units has negative effects. We cannot degrade the readiness or effectiveness of our military in the name of inclusivity or “equality.” The standards must remain the same or we will suffer the consequences. This is the point Sen. Rubio was trying to make.

Those who have served already know what I’m about to say. The physical standards for men and women serving in the military have never been the same. Men and women in all branches have separate physical readiness standards. Less is required of women, but this simply acknowledges the physiological differences between the sexes. If we are to have true equality in the ranks then perhaps it’s time to address this glaring disparity. It won’t happen, however, because if the branches required of women the same body fat standards, cardiovascular standards, and strength standards they require of men, the vast majority of women would fail.

The last point Rubio made only makes sense when considering the previous two. Women already serve valid functions in our military. Though combat roles have been opened to those who can meet the combat standards, very few will. But the inability of women to swell the combat ranks should not exempt the female citizenry from meeting the same requirement of conscripted service in times of war that is currently the sole burden of men. There is a lot more to operating a military than sending lead down range, and compelling women to fill the roles for which they qualify would free-up more men who are fit for combat to fight on the front lines rather than providing support to those who are fighting.

I agree with Senator Rubio, and I say that as the father of two beautiful daughters. The Left has clamored for forced equality, and in this I think it makes some sense. He was not asked if women should be conscripted for combat. The question asked was, “Should young women be required to sign up for Selective Service in case of a national emergency?” I give the same qualified “yes” as Marco, and for the same reasons.

Welcome to adulthood, ladies. Please visit the post office to register.

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  1. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    The King Prawn:

    Spin: KP, why do you hate women?

    I hate them so much I want to confine them to the kitchen. No, wait. The kitchen is mine! (Mostly because I’m a picky eater. Want anything done right, and all that…)

    KP, now you’re telling us they can’t even cook? ;-)

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    My Daughter should not be drafted. Neither should my son unless their is a dire emergency.

    IF we need to draft women to fight, we are in a heap of trouble.

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  3. The King Prawn Inactive
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:

    The King Prawn:

    Spin: KP, why do you hate women?

    I hate them so much I want to confine them to the kitchen. No, wait. The kitchen is mine! (Mostly because I’m a picky eater. Want anything done right, and all that…)

    KP, now you’re telling us they can’t even cook? ;-)

    To my standards? I’m the only one in my household who can with any regularity.

    Actually, I enjoy the task. I enjoy providing for them even to that level.

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  4. Sowell for President Member
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    The King Prawn:

    Sowell for President: … It is insane that they are being pooh-poohed on a conservative website (e.g., #159).

    You’re arguing against a nightmare scenario where the newborn babe is stripped from his mother’s arms and replaced with a rifle. This is not at all what is being advocated for.

    Current policy in some branches of the military is to deploy mothers of babies.   See, e.g., this brief summary and comment on military.com.  The most relevant paragraph is:

    Today, pregnancy policies vary from one branch of the military to another. For example, Army regulations (AR 635-200, paragraphs 1-16, 1-36, 5-11, and 6-3; chapter 8) provide pregnant women with the option of remaining on active duty or separating. In the Navy, while “a pregnant servicewoman may request separation from active duty, requests for separation will not normally be approved unless there are extenuating circumstances” (SECNAV 100.10). The Marine Corps recently extended the time to assignment to a deploying unit for pregnant women from 6 months to 12 months from the date of delivery (MARADMIN 133/05 of 18 Mar 05).

    What you dismiss as a “nightmare scenario” has already been happening for quite some time!

    Do you really think our federal government is somehow so pro-family as to allow mothers to stay home once women are eligible for the draft?

    Simply put, you don’t know what you are talking about.

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  5. Sowell for President Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt: After all a womyn needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle has been drummed into modern men’s heads since birth. If so why do womyn need a man to go to fight and die for their freedoms? They can go and fight for and die for those freedoms their own self. That is equal.

    I am all for sending self-identified feminist leaders (e.g., the academics, lawyers, journalists, diversity chiefs, etc.) into combat (in their own platoons, of course).  There’s no need to punish anyone else for their sins, however.

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  6. The King Prawn Inactive
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    Sowell for President: Do you really think our federal government is somehow so pro-family as to allow mothers to stay home once women are eligible for the draft?

    I honestly would expect deferment for mothers, especially if they were sole care givers. As far as women who volunteered not getting 18 years out of deployment for child rearing, they know that going in.

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  7. The King Prawn Inactive
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    Sowell for President: Simply put, you don’t know what you are talking about.

    Actually, it is you who has no clue.

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  8. Leigh Inactive
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    Kozak:See, this is one of the things I admire about the Left.

    They NEVER accept something as a final result until they get one they want. 10 years ago the concept that gay “marriage” would be the law of the land was unthinkable.

    Why do we have to “accept the present reality”. We should fight to change it. It weakens our ability to defend the country, and eats away at a basic tenant of Western Civilization, the men fight to protect women and children.

    See, in substance I agree with you. But in politics I would have to note that the opposite is true. Politically, the Democrats (including President Obama) accepted the then-current reality on marriage as recently as 2011.

    Basically, I suppose, to say: by all means fight the present reality, but don’t expect the politicians to do the heavy cultural lifting for you. If our primary strategy on such things consists of “getting people elected who say what I want them to say” it will ultimately fail.

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  9. Leigh Inactive
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:I didn’t see it that way. It seemed to me that KP was mocking anyone who thought that all traditional women were fit for was sandwich-making and baby-having. Traditional women have always done far more than that, after all. The domestic sphere itself involves far more than that.

    And there is no issue I care more about than preventing feminists from taking over the military: if conservatives are not willing to go to the mat for that issue, than I am done with conservatism.

    You also care very much about pro-life causes, no?

    Like Leigh, the sum of what I know about KP makes it hard for me to believe he’s a pawn of feminism. Or contemptuous toward traditional women.

    KP has his dander up, though, and snark and sarcasm don’t always come across well in writing.

    Agreed.

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  10. Kate Braestrup Member
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    The King Prawn:

    Kozak: No. but limit their roles to rear area support, nursing etc. What was wrong with the model used in WW2 with the Waves, Wafs etc? It worked.

    Also, I don’t think we should limit them by sex but by ability, suitability, qualification, etc. There are (admittedly few) women who would do just fine in any military situation. Because the vast majority would not is no reason to limit the individuals who would perform well or deprive the nation of their full service. Yes, I know this is having my cake and eating it too, but that would be the optimal outcome in my opinion.

    KP for president!
    About which I am semi-serious; I woke up this morning thinking that my preference is for political leadership is for people who have actually served in the military, but maybe all I mean is that he or she has done work where the outcome is concrete, measurable and important. Like, say, a police officer, a firefighter, a carpenter, a doctor, a nurse. Or an electrician—flip the switch, and the lights either come on or don’t.

    When Thomas Sowell talks about the unaccountability of intellectuals, he’s really onto something: people who spend all their lives in their heads (by nature, I’m one of them) at least need to recognize how easy it is to create beautiful theories that bear so little resemblance to reality that they’re sure to make a mess on the ground.

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  11. James Of England Inactive
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    Kate Braestrup:

    The King Prawn:

    Kozak: No. but limit their roles to rear area support, nursing etc. What was wrong with the model used in WW2 with the Waves, Wafs etc? It worked.

    Also, I don’t think we should limit them by sex but by ability, suitability, qualification, etc. There are (admittedly few) women who would do just fine in any military situation. Because the vast majority would not is no reason to limit the individuals who would perform well or deprive the nation of their full service. Yes, I know this is having my cake and eating it too, but that would be the optimal outcome in my opinion.

    KP for president!
    About which I am semi-serious; I woke up this morning thinking that my preference is for political leadership is for people who have actually served in the military, but maybe all I mean is that he or she has done work where the outcome is concrete, measurable and important. Like, say, a police officer, a firefighter, a carpenter, a doctor, a nurse. Or an electrician—flip the switch, and the lights either come on or don’t.

    When Thomas Sowell talks about the unaccountability of intellectuals, he’s really onto something: people who spend all their lives in their heads (by nature, I’m one of them) at least need to recognize how easy it is to create beautiful theories that bear so little resemblance to reality that they’re sure to make a mess on the ground.

    You woke up this morning thinking that America needs Gilmore (the only veteran who was still in the race) and that day he turns in his campaign? Either you have very bad luck, or Gilmore was running in the hope of earning your subconscious endorsement. Once he’d got that, there was nothing more left for him to achieve in the race. Don’t ask me how he found out; sometimes a man just knows.

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