How Far Back Can I Throw You?

 

TTunnelTime Tunnel was a cheesy Irwin Allen science fiction show about a government project to facilitate time travel that ran for one season on ABC in the late 1960’s,* starring James Darren, Robert Colbert, and former Miss America Lee Meriwether. There was a lot of historical inaccuracies in episodes set in the past and a lot of people wrapped up in aluminum foil for shows set in the future. Of course, our protagonists seemed to be able to function highly anywhere and in any time.

If, by mechanical means or the power of angels, how far back into the past do you think you could be thrown back and still survive? Could you hunt for food and build shelter in the 1850’s? Would your children even know how to operate a phone in the 1940’s? Could you find work or would you create it? Good Lord, what would you do without the Internet!?

Send me back far enough and I could pass as a doctor, my 21st Century layman’s knowledge would surpass that of many professionals in the 19th. Put me at the dawn of network radio and I could become the stuff legends are made of.

*Many things ran for only one season on ABC in those days. The standard joke was that the best way to end the war in Vietnam was to put it on ABC – it would get cancelled in 13 weeks.

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  1. Tom Riehl Member
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    Seawriter:If anyone participating in this conversation has not yet read 1632, by Eric Flint, I recommend you do so. Click on the link for a free online copy. You’re welcome.

    Seawriter

    How about Sterling Hayden’s Voyage of 1896?

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  2. Tom Riehl Member
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    I take the question as stated, that it’s not my choice.  Well, from a survival standpoint, it doesn’t matter when I end up, because I had a real father who taught me how to fix and build anything using whatever is at hand.  I tell people all the time that if it’s not breathing, I can fix it.  So of course I greatly admire MD’s.

    As for what I’d miss?  If I went back too far, books would be entirely too precious, and Bill Watterson may not have been born yet.

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  3. Seawriter Contributor
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    Tom Riehl: How about Sterling Hayden’s Voyage of 1896?

    Are we talking about Voyage: A Novel of 1896? As I remember that was a straight historical novel.

    Seawriter

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  4. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Before I answer: Do I get to choose how long I have to stay?

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  5. Tom Riehl Member
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    Seawriter:

    Tom Riehl: How about Sterling Hayden’s Voyage of 1896?

    Are we talking about Voyage: A Novel of 1896? As I remember that was a straight historical novel.

    Seawriter

    Yes, that’s it.  I sure got the title goofed up!  I read up a bit on 1632 and it sounds interesting with its historical basis and the whole fish out of water meme.  Thanks for the tip.

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  6. Seawriter Contributor
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    Tom Riehl: Yes, that’s it. I sure got the title goofed up! I read up a bit on 1632 and it sounds interesting with its historical basis and the whole fish out of water meme. Thanks for the tip.

    Watch out. They offer the first book free because the series is seriously addictive. There are at least twenty books published and a whole lot more available electronically at the Grantville website.

    Seawriter

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  7. Songwriter Inactive
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    Matt Bartle:I think it was P.J. O’Rourke who said he would not want to live in the past for one simple reason: dentistry.

    It was O’Rourke. I stole that line from him earlier.

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  8. Cow Girl Thatcher
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    Our family went “back in time” one year, when our water pipeline from the spring froze, and broke, in the middle of the winter. Until the weather warmed up, and my dad could fix the pipes,  we had to haul water from town to use in our house, and for our farm animals. I was 9 or 10 years old, #3 in a family with eight children, and there was no laundromat anywhere, either. My mom used an old wringer washer, and we carried a bucket to the toilet (at least we could still flush!!) No thanks! That was enough of the past for me.

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  9. Arahant Member
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    Cow Girl: Our family went “back in time” one year, when our water pipeline from the spring froze, and broke, in the middle of the winter.

    I spent one vacation with some friends in a place with an old hand-pump well for all the water. We had some old five-gallon dairy cans for bringing water in for the toilets, bathing, and such. And, yes, that water was cold! It was even colder than Lake Michigan that early in the spring, but we went swimming anyway. Didn’t mind it a bit.

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  10. Man With the Axe Inactive
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    I’ve already spent some time in the past. I didn’t like it.

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  11. Arahant Member
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    Man With the Axe:I’ve already spent some time in the past. I didn’t like it.

    Luckily, time keeps on slipping, slipping, slipping into the future.

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  12. Titus Techera Contributor
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    Easy with the hippie stuff-

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  13. Pilli Inactive
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    Do I get to choose my age when I go into the past?  If not, then I don’t want/need to go.

    If I could go back as a 21 year old…Woo Hoo!

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  14. Matt Bartle Member
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    I’d be willing to back as far as the year I got my first big flat-screen TV.

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  15. Titus Techera Contributor
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    Pilli:Do I get to choose my age when I go into the past? If not, then I don’t want/need to go.

    If I could go back as a 21 year old…Woo Hoo!

    Finally, a bit of fire! So what’s the story? Where’d you go? What’d you do with the oft misspent powers of youth?

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  16. Weeping Inactive
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    Judge Mental:From EJ’s title of throwing us, I took that to mean a surprise, one-way trip. You arrive with whatever you have in your pockets.

    This is what I envisioned too – and no thanks. But there are plenty of times, events, and historical figures I wouldn’t mind dropping in on for a bit and observing.

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  17. Weeping Inactive
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    Titus Techera:So we’re all too reasonable to have any real attraction to the past? Is there nothing from the past for which anyone in their right mind would risk all the lack of medicine?

    If I could be guaranteed that I would be able to advert WWI, I might be willing to consider it – or maybe some other major negative event along those lines. But WWI is what comes to mind at the moment.

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  18. Titus Techera Contributor
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    Weeping:

    Titus Techera:So we’re all too reasonable to have any real attraction to the past? Is there nothing from the past for which anyone in their right mind would risk all the lack of medicine?

    If I could be guaranteed that I would be able to advert WWI, I might be willing to consider it – or maybe some other major negative event along those lines. But WWI is what comes to mind at the moment.

    Very good example, but I really don’t know how that could be done! Ideas?

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  19. Arahant Member
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    Titus Techera: Very good example, but I really don’t know how that could be done! Ideas?

    One would probably have to go back significantly further in order to stop WWI. The assassinations were a spark, but they were not the only possible spark. For instance, disrupting the consolidation of the German Empire might have helped. Of course, next you’ll ask, how would you have done that?

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  20. Titus Techera Contributor
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    Arahant:

    Titus Techera: Very good example, but I really don’t know how that could be done! Ideas?

    One would probably have to go back significantly further in order to stop WWI. The assassinations were a spark, but they were not the only possible spark. For instance, disrupting the consolidation of the German Empire might have helped. Of course, next you’ll ask, how would you have done that?

    Obviously, by assassinating either Bismarck or Wilhelm II. Next question please!

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  21. Casey Inactive
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    Arahant: Of course, next you’ll ask, how would you have done that?

    Candy.

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  22. Arahant Member
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    Titus Techera: Obviously, by assassinating either Bismarck or Wilhelm II. Next question please!

    Well then, it doesn’t seem so hard to stop WWI, then, does it? (And do you mean Wilhelm I?)

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  23. Titus Techera Contributor
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    Arahant:

    Titus Techera: Obviously, by assassinating either Bismarck or Wilhelm II. Next question please!

    Well then, it doesn’t seem so hard to stop WWI, then, does it? (And do you mean Wilhelm I?)

    No, the 2.0 or what do you futuristic Americans call’em?

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  24. Arahant Member
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    Titus Techera: No, the 2.0 or what do you futuristic Americans call’em?

    Right, but that would not disrupt the formation of the German Empire under the Hohenzollerns. Bismarck or Wilhelm I might. Would that have stopped WWI, if you killed off Short-arm Willy before it started? Perhaps, but again, the powder keg is still sitting there awaiting any fool with a match.

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  25. Titus Techera Contributor
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    Arahant:

    Titus Techera: No, the 2.0 or what do you futuristic Americans call’em?

    Right, but that would not disrupt the formation of the German Empire under the Hohenzollerns. Bismarck or Wilhelm I might. Would that have stopped WWI, if you killed off Short-arm Willy before it started? Perhaps, but again, the powder keg is still sitting there awaiting any fool with a match.

    I don’t think it’s quite that way. The war was hardly inevitable. Undermining German power & militarism would suffice, I believe.

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  26. Arahant Member
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    Titus Techera: Undermining German power & militarism would suffice, I believe.

    Like the general in the tutu having a heart attack wasn’t enough?

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  27. Weeping Inactive
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    Titus Techera:

    Weeping:

    Titus Techera:So we’re all too reasonable to have any real attraction to the past? Is there nothing from the past for which anyone in their right mind would risk all the lack of medicine?

    If I could be guaranteed that I would be able to advert WWI, I might be willing to consider it – or maybe some other major negative event along those lines. But WWI is what comes to mind at the moment.

    Very good example, but I really don’t know how that could be done! Ideas?

    I see it’s already been discussed, but I was thinking of keeping Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria from being assassinated when I said that. Don’t know if doing that would actually work, but I’ve always heard that that was the trigger that set everything in motion so I was thinking if you could eliminate the trigger, you might avoid the war.

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  28. Arahant Member
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    Weeping: So I was thinking if you could eliminate the trigger, you might avoid the war.

    It was a gun loaded with a thousand potential triggers. It’s just that that particular one was pulled.

    One of the most interesting aspects was the plot failed. The group dispersed and one happened to stop for a sandwich. Coming out of the shop, he saw the Archduke and his wife in their carriage, still had his pistol, so he shot them. Luck like that is difficult to counter when meddling with time. You would have to start further back. Perhaps forty-five to 120 years further back.

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  29. Arahant Member
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    And I might know a thing or two about changing history.

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  30. Weeping Inactive
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    Arahant:

    Weeping: So I was thinking if you could eliminate the trigger, you might avoid the war.

    It was a gun loaded with a thousand potential triggers. It’s just that that particular one was pulled.

    One of the most interesting aspects was the plot failed. The group dispersed and one happened to stop for a sandwich. Coming out of the shop, he saw the Archduke and his wife in their carriage, still had his pistol, so he shot them. Luck like that is difficult to counter when meddling with time. You would have to start further back. Perhaps forty-five to 120 years further back.

    Except for the fact that you’re looking backward and (supposedly) know how events played out and where to look for those “lucky incidents”. Seems that would give you a bit of advantage.

    However, you’re right about the number of potential triggers. Eliminate one, and another might very well wind up taking its place – human nature being human nature and all. If one doesn’t do it, someone else probably will.

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    Arahant:And I might know a thing or two about changing history.

    Hey, I have that first book sitting on my Kindle. I’m hoping to get around to reading it soon. It sounds interesting.

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