The Highly Baffling Mystery of the Garland Shootings

 

Hostess-Twinkies-boxI’m as perplexed as you must be:

Two gunmen have been shot dead after opening fire outside a conference on cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in a suburb of Dallas, US police say.

They drove to the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland as the event was ending, and began shooting at a security officer before being killed by police.

The bomb squad has been called in to search their vehicle for explosives.

The event, organised by a group critical of Islam, included a contest for drawings of the Prophet.

Security had been high around the centre because of the controversial nature of the event, which included Dutch anti-Islamic politician Geert Wilders as one of the keynote speakers.

But Garland Police Department spokesman Joe Harn said there had been no credible threats in advance, and it was not immediately clear if the shootings were related to the event.

I applaud Mr. Harn’s open-mindedness and unwillingness to rush to judgment. After all, there are so many other obvious reasons two men might be inspired to attack this event. Here are my top ten theories:

1) They were sore that Pamela unfriended them on Facebook.

2) Someone in the audience stole their parking space.

3) When they said, “Stop eating your popcorn so loudly, it’s ruining the exhibition for me,” they meant it.

4) They were in love with Jodie Foster.

5) That’s what too many Twinkies will do to you, everyone knows that.

6) Pacquiao was robbed, man.

7) Yet another out-of-control iPhone-v-Android feud.

8) That’ll show Geert that you can’t go through the express lane with more than 20 items in Texas!

9) They told Geller to stop playing “Hotel California,” but would she listen?

10) Geert should have known better than to mess with their Dungeons & Dragons character.

All equally plausible, right? We’ll just have to wait for the results of the investigation, I guess, but in the meantime, what’s your theory?

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  1. user_82762 Inactive
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    @JamesGawron

    Claire Berlinski:

    Mike LaRoche:11.) Those stupid bastards thought they could mess with Texas and get away with it.

    CowboysandMuslims

    They were wrong.

    As exciting as it is that they’re dead, they would have been of more intelligence value alive.

    Claire,

    Pam Geller and her event probably just saved between 5 and 100 lives or maybe more. This two Jihadist psychopaths were like bombs with a random fuse waiting to go off. If this event hadn’t triggered them they could have gone after soft targets like they just did in France and elsewhere. They went for a target that was really prepared to shoot back and they are dead with minimum of damage, an excellent result.

    It is the nature of Jihadists that they give you very few other options but to kill them before they kill you. This result is, for the moment, the best result. If we can do better in the future it will be because we focus on Jihad as the indicator of future behavior and stop wasting effort on extraneous factors.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  2. Devereaux Inactive
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    @Devereaux

    PsychLynne:Given their status as maginalized persons in our society, they have likely experienced a lifetime of discrimination and oppression. Their “otherness” has been held against them, resulting in internalized self-disgust that sadly was turned on their oppressors. Their attempts to find the identity and acceptance our society rigidly withheld from them has led to a cry for help, a response in the only way their limited options in our cruel society left them. It is a tragedy, but the greater tragedy would be that we do not see our role, if not fault, in this.

    Solving these type of complex societal problems involves a mix of nationally sponsored and administered programs focused on acceptance of all races and ethnicities without judgement. In addition, investment in programs with a proven track record of success such as Head Start and bi-lingual education would begin to address the “otherness” that likely characterized their upbringing.

    This tragedy could have been averted had the officers been trained to deal with these men in a respectful and honoring way, chatting with them to understand and hear their problems. And, of course, if guns were not available, if never would have happened at all.

    Lastly, I would call for a series of city-wide cultural conversations, training officers in sensitivity to marginalized and oppressed persons, as well as an examination of the intent and insensitivity of the conference attendees. Please see my web-site for other cities and corporations I have worked with.

    Winner!

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  3. Eric Hines Inactive
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    @EricHines

    I applaud Mr. Harn’s open-mindedness and unwillingness to rush to judgment.

    A view to which he, and cops everywhere, are bound, however imperfectly they might implement it.

    Cops are government representatives; leaving aside objectivity’s requirement not to publish conclusions before the facts are known as completely as they might be, cops cannot announce their conclusions prior to the investigation’s completeness.

    We’re not cops; we can draw conclusions based on the facts available (which are not yet all of the facts known to the cops) to our heart’s content–both reasonable conclusions and those that fit predetermined outcomes.

    I applaud the neighboring city’s cop’s refusal to prejudge.

    Other, more responsible news outlets than the BBC, are making no bones about the connection between Islamic terrorism and the attack on the exhibitors, while the Garland police, and the FBI, continue to withhold judgment.

    Separately, but relatedly, the Dallas Morning News opened an article prior to the shootings with this sentence:

    For the second time this year, free speech and religious liberties are colliding at Garland ISD’s Curtis Culwell Center [where the exhibit and shooting took place].

    There’s no collision there; the two are aspects of the same thing.

    Eric Hines

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  4. Quinn the Eskimo Member
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    Eric Hines:For the second time this year, free speech and religious liberties are colliding at Garland ISD’s Curtis Culwell Center [where the exhibit and shooting took place].

    You didn’t realize that shooting infidels is part of religious liberty?

    To the extent the Dallas Morning News believes that, it certainly explains a lot about the media’s coverage of religious liberty issues.

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  5. Fastflyer Inactive
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    @Fastflyer

    It was a trap. It worked. Do it some more.

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  6. Z in MT Member
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    @ZinMT

    When I heard this on the radio I was thinking that everybody surrounding this attack were acting stupidly, both the event organizers and the attackers. Why have a specific Mohammed cartoon contest? and Why try attacking a right wing event in well armed Texas?

    However, now that I have learned that Pam Geller was the organizer and Geert Wilders was the keynote, I realized that it was not just a Mohammed cartoon contest, it was a pro-western, anti-Islamic terrorist conference.

    Now I just think the attackers were stupid.

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  7. Tommy De Seno Member
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    @TommyDeSeno

    Fastflyer:It was a trap. It worked. Do it some more.

    A bit reckless with the lives of the attendees, no?

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  8. Tommy De Seno Member
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    @TommyDeSeno

    Z in MT:When I heard this on the radio I was thinking that everybody surrounding this attack were acting stupidly, both the event organizers and the attackers. Why have a specific Mohammed cartoon contest? and Why try attacking a right wing event in well armed Texas?

    However, now that I have learned that Pam Geller was the organizer and Geert Wilders was the keynote, I realized that it was not just a Mohammed cartoon contest, it was a pro-western, anti-Islamic terrorist conference.

    Now I just think the attackers were stupid.

    I think you had it right the first time.

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  9. Ricochet Member
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    Not to forget : The shots fired may not have been intended for the two victims. There are a lot of guns in Texas and they could have been holding target practice, or just celebrating the new train line from Houston to Dallas(Yee Haw!), and stray bullets hit them by accident.

    We don’t have all the facts yet.

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  10. Eric Hines Inactive
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    @EricHines

    Tommy De Seno:

    Fastflyer:It was a trap. It worked. Do it some more.

    A bit reckless with the lives of the attendees, no?

    No.

    I think you had it right the first time.

    It’s never stupid to ridicule thugs, or to poke them where they’re most irritable.  It draws them out.

    Eric Hines

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  11. Misthiocracy Member
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    @Misthiocracy

    screenshot.1

    Isn’t it just a wee bit sexist to refer to her as a “wealthy housewife”?

    From the wikipedia page: “Geller spent most of the 1980s working at the New York Daily News, first as a financial analyst and then in advertising and marketing. Subsequently she was associate publisher of The New York Observer from 1989 through 1994.”

    (FYI: The actual article is from the Washington Post, and in that publication the headline referred to her as an “incendiary organizer”, rather than a “wealthy housewife”. I’m more than a little disappointed in the National Post today.)

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  12. Illiniguy Member
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    @Illiniguy

    Mike LaRoche:11.) Those stupid bastards thought they could mess with Texas and get away with it.

    CowboysandMuslims

    They were wrong.

    Mike:  My only question is whether Texas allows fields to be baited.

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  13. ctlaw Coolidge
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    @ctlaw

    Misthiocracy:screenshot.1

    Isn’t it just a wee bit sexist to refer to her as a “wealthy housewife”?

    That was a compromise after the first draft said “Jewess”.

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  14. Fake John Galt Coolidge
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    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    Tommy De Seno:

    Fastflyer:It was a trap. It worked. Do it some more.

    A bit reckless with the lives of the attendees, no?

    No, a group of Anti-Islamist Terrorism meeting in Texas probably has more arms and protection than a NRA convention.

    If I read the articles correctly these jokers did not even get near the attendees but got themselves killed by the outer security ring.

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  15. Nick Stuart Inactive
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    @NickStuart

    Claire Berlinski:

    Mike LaRoche:11.) Those stupid bastards thought they could mess with Texas and get away with it.

    CowboysandMuslims

    They were wrong.

    As exciting as it is that they’re dead, they would have been of more intelligence value alive.

    Not after they lawyered up which would have been about 3 femtoseconds after they were arrested.

    Better that they’re dead pour encourager les autres.

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  16. Songwriter Inactive
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    @user_19450

    Tommy De Seno:

    Fastflyer:It was a trap. It worked. Do it some more.

    A bit reckless with the lives of the attendees, no?

    My guess is that the attendees inside were probably better armed the the police outside.

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  17. Eric Hines Inactive
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    @EricHines

    …got themselves killed by the outer security ring.

    A ring manned by 40 off-duty cops and security officers hired by the event’s organizers.  Not much risk to the attendees.

    Eric Hines

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  18. TKC1101 Member
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    Ah, America lives!  After all of the bad news lately we see local police handling the situation with courage and a calm, reasoned approach to community outreach.

    A new paradigm is established. Solve the problem before the media shows up.

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  19. Fake John Galt Coolidge
    Fake John Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    Nick Stuart:

    Claire Berlinski:

    Mike LaRoche:11.) Those stupid bastards thought they could mess with Texas and get away with it.

    CowboysandMuslims

    They were wrong.

    As exciting as it is that they’re dead, they would have been of more intelligence value alive.

    Not after they lawyered up which would have been about 3 femtoseconds after they were arrested.

    Better that they’re dead pour encourager les autres.

    The sad thing is that now that the left has gained control of KickStarter so they can shut down the projects involving Christian beliefs and defending police officers in Baltimore.  I bet they could really get behind a kickstarter for terrorist defense funding, just to show how high / open minded they were in protecting their rights.

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  20. Devereaux Inactive
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    @Devereaux

    Illiniguy:

    Mike LaRoche:11.) Those stupid bastards thought they could mess with Texas and get away with it.

    CowboysandMuslims

    They were wrong.

    Mike: My only question is whether Texas allows fields to be baited.

    Wait! Wait! ?You mean this wasn’t “baiting the fields”. Putting up a cartoon-drawing-of-Mohamed section, then ringing it with cops is rather like making a distressed animal call, waiting for the coyotes to come.

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  21. Tom Meyer Member
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    @tommeyer

    Fastflyer:It was a trap. It worked. Do it some more.

    When I was in highschool, I busted my knee and had to get surgery. The very day my cast came off, one of my buddies grabbed me by the shoulders and shook me hard in good-natured roughhousing, but it caused an audible rrrrrrrrrip! sound to be heard in class, while I experienced the most awful pain I’ve ever felt.

    Turns out what happened is that his shaking caused the scar tissue to break-up all at once, something that would have taken weeks of physical therapy to do otherwise. As my doctor put it “Tell your friend he did you a favor, but not to do it again.”

    I think the same rule applies here.

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  22. Ricochet Member
    Ricochet
    @ArizonaPatriot

    It seems to me that the event in Garland is precisely the correct way to peaceably protest Muslim violence against free speech.  I understand that cartoons and other depictions of Mohammed are offensive to Muslims, but the entire point of freedom of speech is that offensive speech is protected.

    I find it difficult to believe that anyone attending the event would not understand that there was some risk involved.  Frankly, attendance was an act of courage in the promotion of American ideals.  It also appears that the organizers of the event provided appropriate security (or at least security that proved to be adequate in the circumstances).

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  23. user_44643 Inactive
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    @MikeLaRoche

    Muslims should be offended, and often, and by someone who knows how.

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  24. TKC1101 Member
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    @

    Percival:Charlie Hebdo was a fixed location with a security arrangement that could be reconnoitered.This conference was a one-time event, with no way of knowing in advance what security if any would be there.

    It still doesn’t look like they sent the A-team this time.

    Heck no, the A Team would have fired thousands of rounds and never hit anyone.

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  25. Misthiocracy Member
    Misthiocracy
    @Misthiocracy

    ctlaw:

    Misthiocracy:screenshot.1

    Isn’t it just a wee bit sexist to refer to her as a “wealthy housewife”?

    That was a compromise after the first draft said “Jewess”.

    Considering that the CEO of the company which owns the paper is pretty darned Jewish (not to mention fairly right-wing), I don’t think that would fly.

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  26. user_44643 Inactive
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    @MikeLaRoche

    TKC1101:

    Percival:Charlie Hebdo was a fixed location with a security arrangement that could be reconnoitered.This conference was a one-time event, with no way of knowing in advance what security if any would be there.

    It still doesn’t look like they sent the A-team this time.

    Heck no, the A Team would have fired thousands of rounds and never hit anyone.

    And they also would have caused several cars to flip over without hurting anyone, too.

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  27. user_44643 Inactive
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    @MikeLaRoche

    But in any case, after I heard the news of what happened to those terrorists in Garland, I couldn’t help but light up a cigar and say this:

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  28. user_138562 Moderator
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    @RandyWeivoda

    For the first time in months I watched the first couple of segments of Hardball on MSNBC.  Chris Matthews and his guest essentially believe that the people at that contest were asking for it.  They say everybody knew something like this was likely to happen.  It’s also offensive that the organizers are trying to spread the message that Islam is violent. The guest said again and again how people of all religions are violent.

    Huh?  So followers of Islam are no more likely to be violent than anybody else, yet the organizers should have known that this would happen.  If a couple guys fired shots at a rally celebrating Roe v Wade, I wonder if Chris Matthews would say that the ralliers were looking for trouble by being so provocative as to celebrate something that so many people detest?

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  29. user_522280 Inactive
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    @StevenJones

    Just a few observations:

    Although my house is a mere TWO MILES from the Curtis Culwell Center, I did not happen upon the scene a la Claire. I was oblivious to the nearby terrorist attack until I logged onto Twitter and saw all the what-has-Pamela-Geller-done-now traffic.

    I don’t know, but suspect that the venue, being the property of the school district, is a gun-free zone.

    Had Geert Wilders had the foresight to enter the US via Mexico, wouldn’t he be entitled to US citizenship?

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  30. user_451895 Inactive
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    @CynthiaBelisle

    Jim is correct. I was in attendance at the event in Garland. I was also outside when the shooting started. AFDI, Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, Geert Wilders, all of the contest entries, & the attendees wish the world would wake up this threat to our lives, freedom, & culture. Those who choose to ignore will one day be victims of Jihad. I’d really hate to have to say “I told you so.”

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