A Valentine from Hollywood: Whips, Leather, and Luv

 

images (1)Today is Valentine’s day and Hollywood has risen to the occasion by releasing the first of three movies that will be based on the Fifty Shades trilogy penned by Erika Leonard (better known by her pen name E. L. James). If you measure the significance of movies by the money they make, this one is a sure-fire winner. The books, which were issued in 2011 and 2012, have been translated into 52 languages and have sold 100 million copies worldwide. If you ponder the cultural significance of the trilogy’s success, it should give you pause.

The first volume, which forms the basis of the movie now in release, was entitled Fifty Shades of Grey. It had its origins in a series of episodes published on a Twilight fan fiction website. Leonard took as her first nom de plume Snowqueen Icedragon; she called her work Master of the Universe and conferred on its characters the names borne by Stephenie Meyer‘s characters in Twilight, Edward Cullen and Bella Swan. When readers objected to the sexually explicit character of what she wrote, Leonard left the site, rewrote the pieces, renamed the chief characters Christian Grey and Anastasia (Ana) Steele, gave the work the name it now bears, and began publishing it in dribs and drabs on her own website FiftyShades.com. In time, Leonard’s work was licensed by The Writer’s Coffee Shop, a virtual publisher in Australia; and, despite the fact that there was no marketing budget, the trilogy quickly took off. Eventually Vintage snapped it up.

No one with any taste or judgment describes Leonard’s work as well-written. As Tim Robey observed in The Daily Telegraph, its “prose style might charitably be described as unspeakable.” But despite the fact that the books are trite, treacly, and tedious, the trilogy nonetheless struck a nerve, and it clearly meets a felt need — which is puzzling. For the subject is bondage, domination, and sado-masochism (BDSM), and the audience is for the most part made up of married women over 30 years in age. In short, the Fifty Shades trilogy is porn — but not ordinary porn. This is Mommy Porn. Men, hitherto the usual purchasers of porn, have shown next to no interest.

I have not seen the film — though I have sampled the trailers and I have read reviews in a host of outlets including The Daily Telegraph, The Hollywood Reporter, The Baffler, Pravda-on-the-Hudson, Forbes, The Rolling Stone, Vanity Fair, and Newsday. By all accounts, it is a toned-down version of the novel — which makes sense. It is one thing to read about the infliction of pain. It is another thing to watch it. On the screen, at least, Mommy Porn has to be soft porn. The movie Fifty Shades of Grey differs from run-of-the-mill porn in only three particulars. The sex scenes are more frequent, the female lead is more often nude than is the norm, and one is repeatedly induced to anticipate her being lashed.

As Tim Robey puts it, the challenged posed to the screenwriter, Kelly Marcel, and to Sam Taylor-Johnson, the woman who directed the film, “was to please the books’ legion of (predominantly female) fans without allowing the film to become a soft-pornographic laughing stock.” She had this advantage, he tells us: she could dispense with Anastasia’s “bubblehead stream of consciousness,” by which he means “literary inner monologue such as this: ‘My heartbeat has picked up, and my medulla oblongata has neglected to fire any synapses to make me breathe,’ which Ana declares in one of the early chapters, as Christian announces he’s having a shower.” And she could have “the camera . . . occupy Ana’s point of view,” which was for the most part “a view of Jamie Dornan, the Northern Irish actor best-known for playing a hot serial killer in BBC Two’s The Fall.”

In Robey’s view, the enterprise has worked out “almost shocking well, considering.”

It proves that age-old saw that great books rarely make great films, whereas barely-literate junk can turn into something ripe and even electric on screen. The lead performances and sleek style choices sell it almost irresistibly to the target audience, but the film has the confidence to end bruisingly unresolved, with the structural equivalent of a slap in the face.

Meanwhile, for anyone who struggled to wade through the gruelling mire of James’s verbiage, it’s almost a form of revenge to watch the filmmaking slice through it, cleanly stripping off the fat. Great art it’s not – but it’s frisky, in charge of itself, and about as keenly felt a vision of this S&M power game as we could realistically have expected to see.

The film’s single biggest asset is [Dakota] Johnson [daughter of Melanie Griffith and Don Johnson], who has worked hard with [screenwriter Kelly] Marcel and Taylor-Johnson to perform a three-woman salvage job on the character of Anastasia. Gone is the book’s blithering simpleton, with her arsenal of “holy hell”s and “double crap”s and “oh my”s. Her inner goddess is, thank goodness, nowhere to be found or heard. She is at no point a quivering, moist mess, and doesn’t make the ruinous error of thinking the word “f___” is an epithet.

Instead, she projects an instantly compelling blend of vulnerability and spiky resistance – qualities that sometimes remind you of Griffith in her early roles. There’s more fight in this Ana than you’re ever expecting, and it raises the stakes during each stage of her seduction by Christian, from the moment she meets his eyes during an interview for her college paper.

Grey, for obvious reasons, is much more vividly described in the book than she is. Dornan, with his tousled hair and chunky build, is a precise physical match for this ludicrous fantasy-hottie-Bluebeard role, and somehow manages to render it only intermittently absurd. A good kind of absurd.

On purpose, he’s a little inexpressive at first: cold slate, with questioning eyes. The film doesn’t ever get totally under his skin and doesn’t want to – it needs to recoil, with a shiver of uncertainty, as we get to grips with his predilections.

The sex scenes clamber up the scale in intensity, without ever really threatening to get white-hot, and feature a lot more of Johnson than they do of Dornan. You could say she’s submissive to the point of baring all, from most angles, whereas he’s dominant enough to keep the camera from straying down where he doesn’t want it. Even when Grey, with his riding crops and cat-o’-nine-tails and Red Room of Pain, would claim otherwise, these sequences stay well within the bounds of vanilla mainstream taste.

And they offer an easy answer to the following question. Would you rather read an assortment of appallingly organised words describing two stick-thin characters yelping on the page, or watch two very attractive young stars going at it, in images filmed by Seamus McGarvey? This great cinematographer . . . is a ready-made cornerstone for the flatly indisputable argument that Fifty Shades is a far better film than it was a book.

Anastasia is no walkover here and sometimes gives as good as she gets, if not better. The funniest scene – debatably the sexiest, too – has the duo sitting at either end of a glass boardroom table, while Ana whips through the contract for their experimental relationship scratching out everything she won’t consent to. The script isn’t afraid to call a spade a spade here: “Find anal fisting. Strike it out.”

Johnson’s timing and verve are terrific, and manage to upend the more distasteful indignities of the book in gold-spun-from-straw ways. It’s her rebellion, not just her submission, that this version of Christian finds attractive, which gives Dornan something more interesting, human, and contradictory to play as well. If Taylor-Johnson and James bitterly tussled for control over this material, it’s a relief and even a bit of a thrill that the director came out on top.

Most of the other reviewers are less enthusiastic. Some think Jamie Dornan wooden. Some regret the absence of hardcore porn.  More than one thought that the sex scenes should be a lot more steamy. Richard Lawson at Vanity Fair quite liked the movie but, with a hint of the regret that others voice with greater vehemence, he did acknowledge that

if the sex were more intense, Fifty Shades might actually become the transgressive sex fable it kind of wants to be, one that genuinely challenges our square notions of what is and isn’t deviant sex, that questions our perhaps rigid ideas of how power dynamics should function in a relationship. Free of full-frontal nudity and excessive thrusting and, well, orgasming as this movie is, it never gets to that envelope-pushing place.

By and large, however, even those who dislike the film confirm Robey’s depiction of Dakota Johnson’s portrayal of Anastasia Steele.

Next to no one, however, questions whether it is appropriate that Hollywood treat us on Valentine’s Day to a toned-down, soft-core version of bondage and submission on screen, and no one asks what Hollywood is up to, why Universal Pictures is seeking to mainstream sadomasochism. And no one at all ponders the larger significance of the fact that bored housewives fall for this stuff.

Sheri Linden at The Hollywood Reporter does remark:

Both on the page and in the glossy, compellingly acted screen adaptation, one of the more perverse aspects of their zeitgeist-harnessing story is the breathless way it melds the erotic kink known as BDSM with female wish-fulfillment fantasy of a decidedly retro slant. Hearts and flowers are barely concealed beneath the pornographic surface, and as with most mainstream love stories, an infatuated but commitment-averse male is in need of rehabilitation. . . .

The movie . . . wants to have it both ways: Informative and nonjudgmental about bondage and discipline, it distances itself from such pursuits with shard-sharp slivers of backstory, indicating that Christian’s desires are expressions of trauma-induced pathology. He’s supremely dreamy damaged goods, ripe for the saving. And so the moonlit postcoital sonatas he plays at his piano — interludes of self-conscious melancholy that are among the most laugh-out-loud schmaltzy in the book, transplanted whole to the screen.

But that is as far as it goes, and one is left with the impression that Linden is less bothered by the “erotic kink” than by the “female wish-fulfillment fantasy of a decidedly retro slant.” In her outlook, like virtually all of the other reviewers, she appears to be resolutely nonjudgmental — which is another way of saying amoral.

The only real question anyone poses is whether the movie is somehow sexist. Here is the answer that Scott Mendelson provides in Forbes:

Yes, the film concerns young, naive, and impossibly attractive Anastasia Steele (Dakota Johnson, who sells the hell out of this film) being seduced by the slightly older, insanely wealthy, and ridiculously good-looking Christian Grey (Jamie Dornan, stuck with the worst lines but doing everything he can to sell it too). And yes the relationship quickly becomes one that involves domination, control, and periodic bouts of soft-core BDSM. But through it all, Anastasia Steele (which is a really great name for a James Bond villain or an Ayn Rand character) not only is awakened sexually but also finds herself completely in control of this unorthodox relationship. The only “sexist” thing about the overwhelmingly sex-positive picture is that we see so much of Ms. Johnson’s naked body but so little of Mr. Dornan’s.

Because Mr. Grey insists on explicit consent and will not proceed until Ms. Steele provides it in writing, it is the virginal would-be flower who calls the shots for much of their relationship. The highlight of the film is a matter-of-fact and rather blunt contract negotiation as Ms. Steele details what she will and will not consent to should she agree to be Mr. Grey’s “subservient.” Not only is it deliciously entertaining and an “I’ve never seen that before” moment, it features Ms. Steele at her most confident and thus her most attractive. Considering how much ink has been spent discussing the notion that fans of the book got off on the notion of being dominated and/or being controlled, it is worth noting that the most potent fantasy to be found is one of a single, sexually liberated woman being in control of her body and her relationships without judgment or scorn from either herself or any outside forces.

It seems to me that, if one wants to get to the bottom of this phenomenon, one must go back to the most politically incorrect article ever published in The American Spectator. I have in mind the piece, entitled “In Defense of Rape” and available online, that appeared in the 1 June 1976 issue (Volume 9, Issue 9) of that puckish journal. The author — who was, if I remember correctly, the director of the library system at the University of Iowa — chose for herself the pseudonym Helen S. Clark.

The title and the first couple of paragraphs were intended for shock value. What came after was serious. Ms. Clark, as she called herself, was no friend to rape, but she was interested in rape fantasies, and she knew that she was not alone. “A glance,” as she put it,

at any paperback bookstand proves that the publishing industry relies heavily on novels of romance. But this, lust and mush, is the only genre which does not attract both sexes. As any librarian will attest, cowboy novels and tough-guy adventures are read by women as well as men. But only women read romances — an interesting observation since it hints that the rituals of love which are reaffirmed in both every romance and every reader’s heart are peculiar only to women, that the mystery of the female (which is really quite simple) is, all protestations aside, really not too fascinating to men.

But lest you misunderstand, let me tell you briefly about myself. I am a woman executive — I hire and fire. I handle grievance procedures. I go to business lunches, and even on occasion (now get this) pick up the tab. My salary hovers in the top five percent of female workers in the country. I still receive enough proposals of marriage not to worry about it, and I am very pretty. And I read these books. I positively cannot put them down, and I must even ration them out to my seething soul, lest my mind turn to gray slush, and my sensitivity to throbbing tastelessness.

Later, lest we misunderstand, she tells us a little more about herself:

I was raised by two homesteading parents in the Alaskan woods. We — my mother, sisters, father, and I — pulled stumps every year. We cut down trees and dragged them from the woods to our home. We shot moose and packed in the carcasses. We built cabins. My father called us “you guys.” My mother lamented when we discovered lipstick. So you must realize, all you skeptics with suspicions of social indoctrination, I was not conditioned to be a female — I was simply born one. And it would be as foolish for me to deny this as it would be for a man to deny that he would really rather be a cowboy.

Helen Clark did not pick up the bodice-rippers she reads at K-Mart. She learned about them from her colleagues and friends. “I know from first-hand experience,” she adds, “that scratch any female, and you will find flutter: we all wear French cambric and scalloped lace with much more grace than we wear sweatshirts and blue jeans, and we waltz ever so much better than we march in street demonstrations.” In the regency novels that she and her friends prefer,

there is a stock plot which no reader would ever want altered. The novels are usually written in the third person, since things have to happen to the heroine which she does not understand, and the restrictions of the first person strain the naivete. She is generally misunderstood, or at least underestimated, by her family and associates and is always a virgin. She can on occasion be a hellion, but if so, she has a basic sensitivity which pulls her through. She always has a mind of her own and is more intelligent than all men, save one. She does not have to be beautiful — a significant point, considering the vulnerabilities of the audience. She frequently has eyes too far apart and a mouth a bit too wide. One [Georgette] Heyer heroine was a real dowd and got away with it.

On the other hand, the hero is always handsome. He may have cruel eyes, but we will take care of that. The veteran reader knows instantly when the hero comes on the stage because he sneers a bit and has gray eyes. . . . The man is jaded from years of high living and too many women. He has met no one whom he has loved — ardent affairs may splotch his past but not real love. He is wealthy and titled, preferably a duke. He knows hunting, horses, and boxing. He gambles but not to abandon, and is not above a duel now and then.

As you can see, the Fifty Shades trilogy is treading familiar ground — albeit in a new fashion. Helen Clark’s favorite writers — Georgette Heyer and Barbara Caitland — are not coarse. The kissing is generally left to the end. The subject is  “the excitement of seduction.” We hear a lot about “the smouldering eyes of the hero.” He may touch the heroine’s arm, and this has a powerful effect on her. That which is genuinely obscene is kept “off stage” in keeping with the etymology of the word.

Clark’s article is aimed at the feminist icon Germaine Greer — “a woman who ought to know better” but “isn’t smart enough to understand what’s going on here” — who devotes an entire chapter of The Female Eunuch to the phenomenon and who claims that, “if women’s liberation movements are to accomplish anything at all, they will have to cope with phenomena like the million-dollar Cartland industry.” Greer’s answer to the challenge posed by “romantic trash” is “hard-core pornography.”

The titillating mush of Cartland and her ilk is supplying an imaginative need but their hypocrisy limits the gratification to that which can be gained from innuendo: bypass the innuendo and you short-circuit the whole process.” I and my friends swapped True Confessions back and forth because we were randy and curious. If you leave The Housewives’ Handbook [on Selective Promiscuity] lying around your daughter may never read Cartland or Heyer with any credulity.

Clark thinks that this is utter nonsense: “There is no ‘short-circuiting’ at all. Prurient interest and romantic urges are as far apart as are, say, Increase Mather and Jacqueline Susann.” In her opinion, “Novels of romance are not a flirtation with pornography and in fact are just the opposite since the purpose of pornographic literature is to describe reality for those who aren’t fully enjoying it.”

Miss Greer should realize that one just cannot get around the truth that romance is more important to women than to men, and since women are so strikingly unique in maintaining this interest, she should begin to wonder why. With apologies for the obvious, I must say that it is the primary purpose of all animals to perpetuate themselves and that furthermore it is the responsibility of the female to see to it that the job gets done. It conveniently happens that every little cell in her body is attuned to this charge, and, as with all the really big things in life — God, growing up, death, etc. — intelligent beings have a tendency to ritualize the things their cells, nerve endings, and hormones so disturbingly tell them to do. The programming is there, nagging and insistent, and I wouldn’t dare, for the sake of my insanity, attempt to defy all my little cells when they tell me to cast a commensurate sidelong glance. The ritual merely lends grace to the task and disguises the enormity of its truth.

Helen Clark is aware that there are romance novels in which violence and even rape loom large. One such work — Lola Burford’s Vice Avenged — she discusses at length, noting that it is dedicated to Heyer and arguing that Burford “has merely translated the respectable flirtations” described by Georgette Heyer and the like “into rape and the final physical act into spiritual conquest.” She is “not necessarily more honest than Heyer. She is merely more direct.” In her opinion,

Rape as a ritual of love exists in the fantasy world of every woman. It is a man saying to a woman that she is so desirable that he will defy all rules of honor and decency in order to have her . . .

Male violence is outward-directed — posses go after bandits, people get shot, battles roar. Female violence is inward — torture, beatings, rape. Males do things to other bodies. Females have things done to their own. I cannot recall one female novelist who described a beating, for instance, that happened outside of her own character. . .

Women use violence in fiction for the same reasons men do. They are playing to a common human quirk that is a little more than the yen for excitement. It is the attempt to exploit emotion through physical action, and since the most physical thing that can happen to a body is, with the exception of lovemaking, pain, it is inevitable that violence finds its way into all sorts of fiction.

When I first read Helen Clark’s essay almost 40 years ago, I found it shocking. That was without a doubt the author’s intention. Even today, I find it disturbing. But about it I have always been inclined to say this: It is the only serious attempt I know of to make sense of an aspect of feminine conduct that I have always found puzzling. The other discussions of the phenomenon that I have encountered are, like that in Greer’s Female Eunuch, preachy and therapeutic. They all insist in the manner of Henry Higgins that a woman should be more like a man.

It is sometimes said that art imitates life, and sometimes it does. What can be asserted with greater confidence is that life frequently imitates art. Juliet accuses Romeo of kissing by the book, and many an American Romeo has learned to kiss from watching movies. The folks in Hollywood understand this — which is why it is worth asking what they are trying to do, apart from making money, with the movie Fifty Shades of Grey.

I suspect that, if the lady librarian who published a shocking essay nearly 40 years ago under the pseudonym Helen S. Clark were in a position to have her say today, she would tell us that Hollywood has appropriated the conventions of the Regency novel for the purpose of moving us ever so gently from romance to the hard-core pornography treasured by Germaine Greer and her twisted sisters. This year on Valentine’s Day we get Fifty Shades of Grey. Next year my bet is that we get Fifty Shades Darker, and I suspect that we will be treated to Fifty Shades Freed the year after that — and step by step the soft-core pornography of the first film will give way to the hard-core pornography so prominent in the later volumes. Stay tuned.

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  1. She Member
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    Paul A. Rahe:

    Vicryl Contessa:I think Fifty Shades speaks to two things that many- not all- women like: saving/reforming a tortured soul, and assertive men. Take away the BDSM and it’s a romance novel like any other at the drug store. The story follows the bodice ripper formula: beautiful, naive girl attracts the attention of aloof, hot bad boy. They start off having steamy but emotionally devoid sex. The girl is put in harms way, and the aloof bad boy realizes how much he loves her, going to extremes to get her back and keep her with him forever. At the end of the story, the girl is always pregnant, they’ve gotten married, and everyone is happy. This is exactly what happens in Fifty Shades, but there is the S&M factor that bothers people. Still, take that away, and it speaks to women’s desires to find someone that will go to the ends of the earth for them and love them passionately. Spoiler Alert!- at the end of the books, they’re married, Anastasia is pregnant with their second child, and they live happily ever after.

    I actually see Fifty Shades as being less subversive in some ways than other romance novels. At least in this series, Anastasia is consensual in what happens to her sexually. She is 100% willing, and she walks away when it’s too much for her. In a lot of romance novels, the “heroine” is often coerced or blackmailed into being the aloof bad boy’s mistress, and she’s held hostage at his house under the watchful eye of a bodyguard of some sort. Yet there isn’t really the outcry against the Harlequin romance novels anyone can pick up at Walgreens. Perhaps the Fifty Shades series has gotten so much attention because it piggybacked on the success of Twilight. I guess I don’t see why everyone is so upset about this particular series when there are many, many more romance novels out there that are much more violent and damaging to women.

    Thank you for this. It is informative.

    I’m still ‘conflicted’ (to use a popular word) by the conflation of ‘romance’ novels with the ill-written drivel that is represented by 50 Shades of Grey.

    I’ve read lots of romance novels.  Some of them even qualify as what one of my late graduate professors used to call “litter-a-toor.”

    None of them are even remotely like 50 Shades of Grey, which I have not read the whole of, only the Kindle sample, because a member of my family was questioning whether it was something she should read.

    The sample was enough to convince me that:

    1. NO, it is not something she should read.
    2. It’s not a “Romance” novel (full disclosure:  I’m married to a retired Professor of Medieval English Literature.  The term “Romance” means something to me that it perhaps doesn’t mean in general discourse).
    3. It’s execrably written.
    4. It’s about loathsome people.  In that sense, I don’t care how good the film is.  (The English Patient is a movie that I think is beautifully made, and beautifully filmed.  But is is about loathsome people, as is the book.  I can’t stand either of them.)

    However, even I have to laugh at the London Fire Brigade’s Fifty Shades of Red campaign (warning, Gentle Readers, Not Really SFW).

    But, believe me,  it’s accurate.  My dear friend, the Supervisor of Boiler Room Operations at the community hospital where I worked for 20 years, has occasionally regaled us with stories that would be acutely embarrassing to the participants if names were revealed, many of which would have fit right into this article, and the resolution to many of which required clamp cutters and insulated electrical pliers.

    Proving only that even those of us stuck out here in the sticks in Rural America don’t need a movie to show us how to misbehave.

    Been there.  Done that.

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  2. Paul A. Rahe Member
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    EThompson:

    Paul A. Rahe:

    Vicryl Contessa:I think Fifty Shades speaks to two things that many- not all- women like: saving/reforming a tortured soul, and assertive men. Take away the BDSM and it’s a romance novel like any other at the drug store. The story follows the bodice ripper formula: beautiful, naive girl attracts the attention of aloof, hot bad boy. They start off having steamy but emotionally devoid sex. The girl is put in harms way, and the aloof bad boy realizes how much he loves her, going to extremes to get her back and keep her with him forever. At the end of the story, the girl is always pregnant, they’ve gotten married, and everyone is happy. This is exactly what happens in Fifty Shades, but there is the S&M factor that bothers people. Still, take that away, and it speaks to women’s desires to find someone that will go to the ends of the earth for them and love them passionately. Spoiler Alert!- at the end of the books, they’re married, Anastasia is pregnant with their second child, and they live happily ever after.

    I actually see Fifty Shades as being less subversive in some ways than other romance novels. At least in this series, Anastasia is consensual in what happens to her sexually. She is 100% willing, and she walks away when it’s too much for her. In a lot of romance novels, the “heroine” is often coerced or blackmailed into being the aloof bad boy’s mistress, and she’s held hostage at his house under the watchful eye of a bodyguard of some sort. Yet there isn’t really the outcry against the Harlequin romance novels anyone can pick up at Walgreens. Perhaps the Fifty Shades series has gotten so much attention because it piggybacked on the success of Twilight. I guess I don’t see why everyone is so upset about this particular series when there are many, many more romance novels out there that are much more violent and damaging to women.

    Thank you for this. It is informative.

    No it isn’t! I read this book because I read everything and don’t always pay as much attention to book reviews as I should.

    This is a story of deeply disturbed people who suffer from total insanity. No mentally sound man or woman would engage in this type of behavior and I am surprised that I have to make this point on a supposedly conservative web site.

    BTW, I have a library consisting of nearly 1,000 books but I didn’t hesitate to throw this one in the garbage.

    I think that you miss the point made by Vicryl Contessa — which is that Fifty Shades is tamer and more conventional than a lot of the current romance fiction. That does not make it sane.

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    Paul A. Rahe:

    EThompson:

    Paul A. Rahe:

    Vicryl Contessa:I think Fifty Shades speaks to two things that many- not all- women like: saving/reforming a tortured soul, and assertive men. Take away the BDSM and it’s a romance novel like any other at the drug store. The story follows the bodice ripper formula: beautiful, naive girl attracts the attention of aloof, hot bad boy. They start off having steamy but emotionally devoid sex. The girl is put in harms way, and the aloof bad boy realizes how much he loves her, going to extremes to get her back and keep her with him forever. At the end of the story, the girl is always pregnant, they’ve gotten married, and everyone is happy. This is exactly what happens in Fifty Shades, but there is the S&M factor that bothers people. Still, take that away, and it speaks to women’s desires to find someone that will go to the ends of the earth for them and love them passionately. Spoiler Alert!- at the end of the books, they’re married, Anastasia is pregnant with their second child, and they live happily ever after.

    I actually see Fifty Shades as being less subversive in some ways than other romance novels. At least in this series, Anastasia is consensual in what happens to her sexually. She is 100% willing, and she walks away when it’s too much for her. In a lot of romance novels, the “heroine” is often coerced or blackmailed into being the aloof bad boy’s mistress, and she’s held hostage at his house under the watchful eye of a bodyguard of some sort. Yet there isn’t really the outcry against the Harlequin romance novels anyone can pick up at Walgreens. Perhaps the Fifty Shades series has gotten so much attention because it piggybacked on the success of Twilight. I guess I don’t see why everyone is so upset about this particular series when there are many, many more romance novels out there that are much more violent and damaging to women.

    Thank you for this. It is informative.

    No it isn’t! I read this book because I read everything and don’t always pay as much attention to book reviews as I should.

    This is a story of deeply disturbed people who suffer from total insanity. No mentally sound man or woman would engage in this type of behavior and I am surprised that I have to make this point on a supposedly conservative web site.

    BTW, I have a library consisting of nearly 1,000 books but I didn’t hesitate to throw this one in the garbage.

    I think that you miss the point made by Vicryl Contessa — which is that Fifty Shades is tamer and more conventional than a lot of the current romance fiction. That does not make it sane.

    I guess I don’t get it. How is S&M tamer than Danielle Steele?

    I had a much easier time reading Nabokov (even Joyce and Lawrence)  than this.

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    She:  many of which required clamp cutters and insulated electrical pliers.

    Sorry. I never thought I had a bad imagination, but insulated electrical pliers???

    That is too far out for my mind to even achieve a boggling state. Do I want to know?

    No. I am pretty sure I don’t. Insulated electrical pliers???!

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    She:However, even I have to laugh at the London Fire Brigade’s Fifty Shades of Red campaign (warning, Gentle Readers, Not Really SFW).

    Hysterical! Like something out of a Dave Barry column.

    ….Clearly males need to be more careful, especially if they get naked anywhere near a Hoover Dustette, which is apparently auditioning for a role as a major appliance in Fatal Attraction II.

    What you are no doubt saying to yourself now is, “Hmmmm, I wonder if there have been any similar incidents involving lobsters.” We regret to report that the answer is yes, as we learned from an article alertly sent in by Janice Hill (notice that it is women who are sending these articles in).

    This article concerns a man who attempted to steal a lobster from a Boston fish market by stuffing it (the lobster) down the front of his pants. The lobster had been wearing those rubber-band handcuffs, but apparently they slipped off, and the lobster, with revenge on its tiny mind, angrily grasped hold of the first thing it found, and we will not go into what happened next except to say that, if you are a guy, it makes a toothpick to the eyeball sound like a day at the Magic Kingdom.

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    EThompson:

    This is a story of deeply disturbed people who suffer from total insanity. No mentally sound man or woman would engage in this type of behavior and I am surprised that I have to make this point on a supposedly conservative web site.

    Actually, it’s not associated with ill mental health quite as much as is generally supposed. But, as I said earlier, the book does not depict normal BDSM practices.

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  7. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    The King Prawn:

    Actually, it’s not associated with ill mental health quite as much as is generally supposed.

    Interesting…

    Thus it would seem that people who are into BDSM generally prefer the role that fits their own level of agreeableness. Tough, domineering people would seem to prefer the dominant role…. [suggesting] that doms have found a way to express their disagreeableness in a way that is actually welcomed and appreciated by their submissive partners. This is in contrast to more ordinary disagreeableness in everyday life which is usually seen as annoying and rude.

    If being tough means having low agreeableness, I wonder if some people are attracted to conservatism because it offers another appreciative audience (fellow conservatives) for disagreeableness. It’s OK for a conservative to be a curmudgeon, to be a sarcastic tough guy, a misanthrope.

    Conservative men in particular seem wary of being thought too agreeable – that is, too “soft” and unmanly.

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  8. iWc Coolidge
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake: It’s OK for a conservative to be a curmudgeon, to be a sarcastic tough guy, a misanthrope.

    And a good thing, too! Otherwise I would never fit in!

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  9. EThompson Member
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:

    The King Prawn:

    Actually, it’s not associated with ill mental health quite as much as is generally supposed.

    Interesting…

    Thus it would seem that people who are into BDSM generally prefer the role that fits their own level of agreeableness. Tough, domineering people would seem to prefer the dominant role…. [suggesting] that doms have found a way to express their disagreeableness in a way that is actually welcomed and appreciated by their submissive partners. This is in contrast to more ordinary disagreeableness in everyday life which is usually seen as annoying and rude.

    If being tough means having low agreeableness …

    I’m purposefully hijacking the direction of this thread so I will have to take argument with you and KP here. (Whew- thanks for the distraction!)

    Anybody who describes a “tough” as “disagreeable” is a fraidy cat.

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  10. The King Prawn Inactive
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:

    If being tough means having low agreeableness, I wonder if some people are attracted to conservatism because it offers another appreciative audience (fellow conservatives) for disagreeableness. It’s OK for a conservative to be a curmudgeon, to be a sarcastic tough guy, a misanthrope.

    Conservative men in particular seem wary of being thought too agreeable – that is, too “soft” and unmanly.

    From what I’ve read this type of relationship is generally not instigated by the dominant and normally has more to do with the submissive’s desire/need to let go of control than the dominant’s need or desire to go Grey on someone. And, this is kind of counter intuitive from our outside perspective, the stimulation/sensation/pain and even the pleasure is means rather than ends. The dominant is required to know/discover the submissive’s required type and level of stimulation, and the submissive trusts in the dominant to provide adequately without going overboard. It’s a little hard to explain because whole thing is sexual, but it’s not about the sex. It is dangerous because when it goes wrong it goes wildly wrong and causes physical and emotional harm.

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  11. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    EThompson:Anybody who describes a “tough” as “disagreeable” is a fraidy cat.

    To be honest, I haven’t got much clue as to what psychologists mean when they say “disagreeableness”, except that they mean it as a technical term – having less “agreeableness”, where “agreeableness” is also a technical term:

    “[S]kepticism about other people’s motives” is apparently “disagreeable” whereas “compliance” and “tender-mindedness” (making judgments based on emotions) are “agreeable”. I would say skepticism, noncompliance, and tough- rather than tender-mindedness are traits many conservatives would be proud to possess ;-)

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  12. EJHill Podcaster
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    What if we all wrote a cheesy novel about a college history professor who dominates the political psyche of a small Michigan town into voting Republican? We can call it 50 Shades of Rahe.

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  13. MaggiMc Coolidge
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    While I’m certain that any number of “bored housewives” read this novel, I wil throw in that 100% of the women I know who have read this book are executive women. It’s an extremely limited sample, admittedly, but I don’t get out much.

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  14. Paul A. Rahe Member
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    EJHill:What if we all wrote a cheesy novel about a college history professor who dominates the political psyche of a small Michigan town into voting Republican? We can call it 50 Shades of Rahe.

    It would be the world’s most boring book — and small Michigan towns tend to vote Republican anyway.

    In any case, posts like this one might make the towns people vote for the Democrats.

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  15. blank generation member Inactive
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    EThompson:

    BTW, I have a library consisting of nearly 1,000 books but I didn’t hesitate to throw this one in the garbage.

    Before or after reading it?

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  16. blank generation member Inactive
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    Finally Ricochet is having an intelligent conversation on fine literature.

    Although they’re not 50SoG (I love that acronym) who exactly reads all those Jackie Collins novels?  Let alone Jackie Susann.

    The Valley of the Dolls really helped engender a really funny movie Beyond the Valley of the Dolls.

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  17. EThompson Member
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    blank generation member:

    EThompson:

    BTW, I have a library consisting of nearly 1,000 books but I didn’t hesitate to throw this one in the garbage.

    Before or after reading it?

    After reading it as I’ve already made clear.

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  18. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Paul A. Rahe:

    EJHill:What if we all wrote a cheesy novel about a college history professor who dominates the political psyche of a small Michigan town into voting Republican? We can call it 50 Shades of Rahe.

    It would be the world’s most boring book — and small Michigan towns tend to vote Republican anyway.

    Besides, who could compete with Senik in “Fifty Shades of Spots”?

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  19. EThompson Member
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    blank generation member:Finally Ricochet is having an intelligent conversation on fine literature.

    Although they’re not 50SoG (I love that acronym) who exactly reads all those Jackie Collins novels? Let alone Jackie Susann.

    The Valley of the Dolls really helped engender a really funny movie Beyond the Valley of the Dolls.

    Now that was an excellent trash novel! The film  (1967) Valley of the Dolls starring Patty Duke and Sharon Tate and Barbara Parkins was even better.

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  20. blank generation member Inactive
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    EThompson:

    blank generation member:

    EThompson:

    BTW, I have a library consisting of nearly 1,000 books but I didn’t hesitate to throw this one in the garbage.

    Before or after reading it?

    After reading it as I’ve already made clear.

    A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone’s feelings unintentionally.

    Oscar Wilde


    Although I’ve seen a better attribution in PJ O’Rourke’s Modern Manners.

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  21. Instugator Thatcher
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    Thank you Judithanne

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    Instugator:Thank you Judithanne

    Thank you, Instugator, but why are you thanking me? :)

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  23. blank generation member Inactive
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    What happened between Bridges of Madison County and where we are today?

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  24. EThompson Member
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    blank generation member:What happened between Bridges of Madison County and where we are today?

    The good news is that Clint Eastwood is still alive and well and directing great films!

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  25. CandE Inactive
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:Speaking only for myself, I’m relieved to have a husband who, when presented with options, chooses the one he really wants rather than dithering.

    If I ask him, “Chops or chili for dinner?” he’ll simply tell me which one he’s more hungry for. Same if we’re dressing for a night out: if I ask him about what I plan to wear, he’ll tell me what he likes better, rather than worrying that whichever one he chooses might be the wrong one. And that I can do little things like this to please him at little cost to myself also makes me happy.

    My husband, though, is the champion of not being a martyr when he does me a favor. He appears to get much more pleasure out of doing me favors than I had thought was even possible.

    Of course, our life hasn’t yet been invaded by very small barbarians forever shoving their fingers into inappropriate places and shoving inappropriate things up their noses. When that happens, it might become harder to enjoy doing favors for each other and appreciating the favors done for us. I sincerely hope it doesn’t, but suspect realistically it probably will. Perhaps if we’re vigilant, we won’t lose too much of it.

    It’s funny how little behaviors can make a big impact on a relationship.  My wife tells me that when we were first courting, I made a big impression on her when I asked if she wanted a hot dog (no, this is not a double entendre, it really was just a hot dog).

    We were at a college football game.  I was hungry and went in search of a hot dog stand, but first I asked my wife (then girlfriend) if she wanted one too.  She said, “No thanks,” so I got up and left.  Unbeknownst to me, she was actually hungry, but felt that courtesy demanded that she wait for me to invite a 2nd or even 3rd time to show my sincerity, maybe even plead to let me get her something.  It’s one of those weird games that dating singles play and she had come to expect that because she thought it was the norm.

    Of course, I have no memory of this, but it made an impression on her because it showed that I don’t mess around – there wasn’t a need for games.  That has been very helpful to our marriage because she knows that she can take my words at face value and talk straight with me.  And, wonderful woman that she is, she doesn’t play the silly mind games that too many woman are wont to do.

    -E

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  26. CandE Inactive
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:Of course, our life hasn’t yet been invaded by very small barbarians forever shoving their fingers into inappropriate places and shoving inappropriate things up their noses. When that happens, it might become harder to enjoy doing favors for each other and appreciating the favors done for us. I sincerely hope it doesn’t, but suspect realistically it probably will. Perhaps if we’re vigilant, we won’t lose too much of it.

    As a father of 2 tykes under 4, I’ve found that it is harder maintain your current activities in their current form once kids come along.  That doesn’t mean that doing favors for the other (or appreciation of them) will decrease, but they will have to adapt.  If anything, there will be more opportunities to serve, but they will be much less “sexy” and can turn into drudgery if not properly appreciated.  Whereas before they may have been more spontaneous and whimsical, now they will be regular and practical.  Gratitude will be more important than ever, but it will take an increased effort to recognize and express thanks for service rendered.

    The single best way to grow love is to serve, so having kids is a great opportunity to increase love in the household because there are so many more needs.  If people rise to the challenge of caring for a new child and for each other, then their love will be even stronger.

    -E

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  27. blank generation member Inactive
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    EThompson:

    blank generation member:What happened between Bridges of Madison County and where we are today?

    The good news is that Clint Eastwood is still alive and well and directing great films!

    Very good.  That’s a Hillary Clinton level dodge.  Please stand by your man.

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  28. Karen Inactive
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    Yeah, I don’t see what the outrage is about. After years of a porn industry that caters mostly to men, are we surprised that women are joining the bandwagon? Only men can use their disposable incomes to indulge in campy and sleazy sex fantasies? Erotica has been popular for years. Here is my theory: it’s not that women are bored, it’s that they believe their sex lives are boring. They’re told by the culture that they’re sexually boring (e.g. Cosmo sex quizzes). That they are boring to the men in their lives. The desirability expectations for women are practically impossible in world where you should have rock hard abs, Kim K’s butt and a perky rack even after having kids and trying to live a normal life that includes gluten and chocolate. Women don’t think they measure up, so they’re just gonna put on their yoga pants and say “Screw it. If I can’t be the sexually perfect woman (and Anastasia is), I’ll pretend to be.” It’s sad, but the 50 Shades phenomenon is more about collective self-loathing than BDSM. FWIW, I tried reading the book, but it was so stupidly written, I put it down after 1/4 in. I don’t plan to see the movie.

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    Karen, have you read the Victory Girls Blog Review that was linked to earlier in this thread? The author of the post is a survivor of domestic abuse; her ex husband nearly killed her on at least a couple of occasions. When she questioned the idea that Christian Grey is supposedly an attractive man, many of his fans accused her of being a prude and suggested to her that maybe if she had just loved her abuser more, she could have have worked things out with him the way Ana did with Christian. The women she describes are sick, and it’s not men’s fault that they are sick. It’s not the media’s fault that they are sick.

    But the more I think about it, the more I am actually really glad that all of this Fifty Shades stuff is happening. I was always aware that I disagreed with feminists, but never realized how messed up many of them are until this. It’s very possible that all of this will ultimately play out in conservatives’ favor.

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  30. Muleskinner Member
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    blank generation member:What happened between Bridges of Madison County and where we are today?

    What happened between 1954, when “The Story of O” was published and today? Except perhaps bad writing sells more books.

    I read O in the late 70’s and heard a philosophy professor challenge his students who thought they were existentialists to read it and tell him if they still were so inclined after seeing that philosophy taken to its logical conclusion. That experience provided enough immunity to 50SoG.

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