‘Creating Oneness’ through Progressive Comedy

 

Netroots Nation is an annual conference for online progressive activists. Over the past few days, the group held their ninth annual event in Detroit — America’s finest example of unchecked liberal policy.

Unbeknownst to the organizers, I attended the conference to see what the other side thinks about economics, education and the midterms. If their presentation on comedy is any guide, conservatives don’t have much to fear.

“The Left is supposed to be funnier than the Right, damn it,” the panel description stated. “So why do we so often sound in public like we’re stiltedly reading from a non-profit grant proposal?”

This defensive tone was apparent throughout the hour-plus session, brought up repeatedly by speakers and audience members. Much like a co-worker who doesn’t get anyone’s jokes but insists, “I have a great sense of humor!”

After futzing with computers for 10 minutes, the panel’s four comedians showed highlight reels, with one apologizing for the lack of audience laughs. (Her show was made for the web, you see, so it doesn’t have cues for laughter like television does.)

The crowd was most pleased with Russia Today’s Lee Camp, whose video mocked America’s regressive attitude on gays and oil drilling without noting he gets his paychecks from Vladimir Putin.

“Comedy creates oneness and that is what our side wants,” according to Julianna Forlano, host of a news parody without laughter cues called “Absurdity Today.” She noted how her stand-up performance even created “oneness” at a Pennsylvania Elks Lodge, despite the crowd being filled with racist men (she could tell they were racist from the animal heads displayed on the walls).

Katie Halper agreed with her fellow white comic that racism is endemic in their industry. “When the right says we have no sense of humor, it’s a great way for racist/sexist/homophobic men to make themselves seem funny.” Halper is a founding principal of Qualified Laughter, a production company “dedicated to comedic social justice media.”

Halper expressed concern that far too many comedians cross the line with offensive jokes. She listed several types of jokes that no one should tell; anything involving a “disenfranchised population” is off-limits.

Elon James White, creator of the web series “This Week in Blackness,” grudgingly admitted the obvious: “There is a segment of the left that is humorless.” He then lambasted African-American SNL writer Leslie Jones for telling jokes that invoked slavery.

Forlano agreed it is important not to tell jokes that reference ugly historical crimes, sexism or racism. “Sure, it might get a laugh — if that’s what you want.”

To ensure a joke isn’t unintentionally offensive, Forlano even recommended running it by a professional comedian first. Everyone on the panel agreed. “There is a difference between a comedian who covers politics,” she said, “and a comedian who is an activist.” Forlano prefers the latter.

The audience had several questions about what they were allowed to joke about and even how comedy works. A white septuagenarian proudly stated that she no longer tells jokes to black people because that might expose them to unwitting racism. Camp and White sadly noted that her preface of “I’m not a racist, but…” confirms that she is, in fact, a racist.

Another audience member asked how progressives can shut down funny, effective lines coming from the right on talk radio, blogs and Twitter. “The right has short, pithy things to say because they lie,” Halper replied.

She explained that clever jokes by conservatives aren’t actually funny because such people lack empathy and nuance. “Progressives are more nuanced, statistically speaking,” Halper said. The science is settled.

According to one audience member, “what makes Jon Stewart brilliant is that he only has to say the first line and the audience starts laughing because they already know the punchline.” There was general agreement that more young people should get their news from Stewart, Stephen Colbert and YouTube clips from the panelists.

As the session ended, audience members quickly walked toward the door. “Well, that was very funny,” a stone-faced woman said to a friend.

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  1. user_409996 Member
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    Lee,

    No subjects should be off limits.  But some are too disgusting to bother with – there’s bawdy, there’s dirty, and there’s degenerate.  And some need to be approached carefully.  Jokes about the mentally ill, the handicapped, and the learning disabled.

    Ann Coulter has a way of being careless with the word “retard” for instance.  And there are too many genuinely mentally ill people to throw the word “crazy” around indiscriminately.

    But I suspect that you don’t have to be Liberal or Conservative to tell jokes in poor taste.  You just have to not have a strong enough internal editor.  Strong enough, but not too strong.

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  2. user_7742 Inactive
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    @BrianWatt

    Comedy is mostly about non-conformity, saying things outloud that most people wouldn’t dare to say on their own but would love to, and poking fun at those in authority and those who conform. These very sad, desperate dopes are trying make comedy and comedians conform to a rigid set of political correctness and they are too stupid to realize that that’s just not funny.

    If Eric Holder had a sense of humor he wouldn’t have sent investigators to explore whether one American who created a float in a parade showing the future Obama Presidential Library as an outhouse was a racist, committing a hate crime. Barack Obama is not one for self-deprecating humor. Narcissists rarely are. Stalin wasn’t known for his sense of humor.

    I stopped watching Stewart and Colbert about two years ago because I no longer found them very funny. Now Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Albert Gore, Jr., Hillary Clinton, William Jefferson Clinton, Barbara Streisand, Joe Biden, Eric Holder, Barack Obama – those clowns are funny.

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  3. user_959864 Inactive
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    @ClosetRighty

    This all sounds so absurd.  I bet you read @exjon’s piece; you cannot believe that these things were said with earnestness and sincerity; and you are quick to dismiss them.  But don’t be so hasty.  Instead, be suitably concerned.

    I remember being a student at an Ivy League law school in the early nineties and hearing my classmates express views in class I thought then were similarly absurd and could not possibly gain traction.  They seemed as ludicrous to me then as the views expressed at Netroots do now.  I chose the private sector, and many of those classmates chose “public service.”  Now the views I thought so ridiculous when in law school are now the official policies of the United States government…

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  4. Howellis Inactive
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    @ManWiththeAxe

    What do you call a rich white person who lives in an all-white neighborhood, sends his or her child to an all-white private school, believes that black people are incapable of getting an ID card or passing the SAT exam, and thinks there is such a thing as a free lunch?

    A progressive.

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  5. Lee Inactive
    Lee
    @Lee

    Edward Smith:

    Lee,

    No subjects should be off limits. But some are too disgusting to bother with – there’s bawdy, there’s dirty, and there’s degenerate. And some need to be approached carefully. Jokes about the mentally ill, the handicapped, and the learning disabled.

    Ann Coulter has a way of being careless with the word “retard” for instance. And there are too many genuinely mentally ill people to throw the word “crazy” around indiscriminately.

    But I suspect that you don’t have to be Liberal or Conservative to tell jokes in poor taste. You just have to not have a strong enough internal editor. Strong enough, but not too strong.

     Yeah, I’m not a big fan of cruel jokes in general but regard ones that  target people for characteristics they have no control over to be especially tasteless. 


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  6. user_409996 Member
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    I was passing by the local barber shop on the way to the subway this morning when one of the locals, a bald man, was sitting in front of it, enjoying the shade.

    I remarked that it was a bit hopeful of him to be sitting in front of a barber shop.

    That’s as cruel as I get.  When I’m not really ticked off that is.  And I try not to write when I am ticked off.  It erodes at my dignity.

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  7. Miffed White Male Member
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    @MiffedWhiteMale

    Al Sparks:

    Edward Smith

    NEVER, EVER POST A PICTURE OF SANDRA FLUKE ON THIS WEBSITE AGAIN

    I don’t watch that much T.V., so though I knew who Sandra Fluke was, I didn’t know what she looked like. I found the photo to be of an attractive woman. I also commend Jon for not taking a cheap shot in choosing a flattering photo of her.

    Too many times I’ll see unflattering photos of Hillary Clinton posted on conservative websites (Rush does that a lot). I think we should leave such tactics to the liberals. Especially since they are so obviously classless anyway.

     I think the photo on this post is probably the least attractive picture of ms. Fluke I’ve ever seen.

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  8. user_158368 Inactive
    user_158368
    @PaulErickson

    Larry3435:

    “comedic social justice media.” Now that’s funny!

    I laughed out loud at that one.  In fact, I don’t know if this was his intent, but I found Jon’s post much funnier than most left wing “humor.”

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  9. Roberto Inactive
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    @Roberto

    ClosetRighty:

    This all sounds so absurd. I bet you read @exjon’s piece; you cannot believe that these things were said with earnestness and sincerity; and you are quick to dismiss them. But don’t be so hasty. Instead, be suitably concerned.

    I remember being a student at an Ivy League law school in the early nineties and hearing my classmates express views in class I thought then were similarly absurd and could not possibly gain traction. They seemed as ludicrous to me then as the views expressed at Netroots do now. I chose the private sector, and many of those classmates chose “public service.” Now the views I thought so ridiculous when in law school are now the official policies of the United States government…

     A good point. 

    We may laugh at the absurdity of this, because it is in fact absurd, however these individuals are absolutely in earnest and no doubt many of them are in positions of authority. These attendees will eventually leave this conference, returning to their workplaces and universities where they will craft the speech codes that enforce their doctrine. 

    Not funny. 

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  10. user_644842 Member
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    @Saxonburg

    doc molloy:

    According to one audience member, “what makes Jon Stewart brilliant is that he only has to say the first line and the audience starts laughing because they already know the punchline.”

    They’re programmed. Can’t they think for themselves and the answer in no because they are liberal/ progressive/ social justice/ cause prone ninnies.. “Progressives are more nuanced, statistically speaking,” That explains it.

     Yes.  It’s like the comedian’s club where every joke has been numbered.  All one of the members has to do is say a number, and everybody laughs.

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  11. Wylee Coyote Member
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    @WyleeCoyote

    These people are actually quite funny.

    They just don’t understand why.

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  12. Wylee Coyote Member
    Wylee Coyote
    @WyleeCoyote

    Michael Stopa

    Maybe not all of it but a lot of great humor is essentially cruel…from the Coyote chasing the Road Runner over a cliff

    That’s not funny.  >:(

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  13. Howellis Inactive
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    @ManWiththeAxe

    Doug Saunders: Yes.  It’s like the comedian’s club where every joke has been numbered.  All one of the members has to do is say a number, and everybody laughs.

    Did you ever notice how when B.H. Obama tells a “joke,” such as, “…and you know I really like pie,” the audience laughs as if he were Greg Geraldo roasting Larry the Cable Guy. 

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  14. Ansonia Member
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    @Ansonia

    Howellis:

    Doug Saunders: Yes. It’s like the comedian’s club where every joke has been numbered. All one of the members has to do is say a number, and everybody laughs.

    Did you ever notice how when B.H. Obama tells a “joke,” such as, “…and you know I really like pie,” the audience laughs as if he were Greg Geraldo roasting Larry the Cable Guy.

     I read there was prolonged clapping after Stalin’s speeches because no one there wanted to be noted as the first to stop clapping. For a long time, the audience’s  laughter over Obama’s jokes was a much milder form of the same thing.

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  15. user_92524 Member
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    @TonyMartyr

    According to one audience member, “what makes Jon Stewart brilliant is that he only has to say the first line and the audience starts laughing because they already know the punchline.”

    It has a name, apparently- “clapter“,  Described by Mike Sacks in his recent book “Poking a Dead Frog”, with the following anecdote:

    the author asks longtime Saturday Night Live head writer James Downey for a comedy pet peeve. Downey responds, “What has bothered me most for the last few years is that kind of lazy, political comedy, very safe but always pretending to be brave, that usually gets what my colleague Seth Meyers calls ‘clapter.’ Clapter is that earnest applause, with a few ‘whoops’ thrown in, that lets you know the audience agrees with you, but what you just said wasn’t funny enough to actually make them laugh.”

    Downey cites Bill Maher as a frequent seeker of clapter, describing Maher’s humor as “the ass-kissiest kind of comedy going, reassuring his status-anxious audience that there are some people they’re smarter than.” Clapter plays it safe and isn’t funny or original. According to Downey, anyway. Tina Fey has also dismissively mentioned clapter.

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  16. Quinn the Eskimo Member
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    Jon Gabriel, Ed.:

    Forlano agreed it is important not to tell jokes that reference ugly historical crimes, sexism or racism. “Sure, it might get a laugh — if that’s what you want.”

     If you don’t want a laugh, maybe comedy is not the right business for you.

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  17. C. U. Douglas Coolidge
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    @CUDouglas

    Wylee Coyote:

    Michael Stopa

    Maybe not all of it but a lot of great humor is essentially cruel…from the Coyote chasing the Road Runner over a cliff

    That’s not funny. >:(

    And that is the funniest reply in these comments.

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  18. C. U. Douglas Coolidge
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    @CUDouglas

    I’ve said this before, I think on another Jon Gabriel posting: Liberals have trouble with comedy because so much of their humor is really an Appeal to Ridicule. That’s what Stewart, Colbert, and now Oliver do on a regular basis. They seek to win the argument by making fun of the other position.

    To reiterate what I had posited before: When you depend on the Appeal to Ridicule to win arguments, you destroy your sense of humor. You cease to be able to laugh at yourself, because if you do something that can bring laughter, that can be taken for ridicule and that means by your own standard you are discredited. Many Progressives can’t allow that, so they can’t laugh at themselves.

    They take themselves way too seriously and then wonder why they can’t laugh.

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  19. Lee Inactive
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    @Lee

    Edward Smith:

    I was passing by the local barber shop on the way to the subway this morning when one of the locals, a bald man, was sitting in front of it, enjoying the shade.

    I remarked that it was a bit hopeful of him to be sitting in front of a barber shop.

    That’s as cruel as I get. When I’m not really ticked off that is. And I try not to write when I am ticked off. It erodes at my dignity.

    That’s not cruel at all, plus, how could you have passed up the opportunity?

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  20. user_512412 Inactive
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    @RichardFinlay

    Mike LaRoche:

    Q: How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

    A: That’s not funny!

     It really isn’t!  Even if the lightbulb were big enough, it doesn’t seem like it would be comfortable… and you’d have to be way too careful to make sure it wouldn’t break.

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  21. Waldo Inactive
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    @Waldo

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:

    Edward Smith:

    NEVER, EVER POST A PICTURE OF SANDRA FLUKE ON THIS WEBSITE AGAIN!

    The lenses of my glasses are plastic and designed to be resilient, but cracks started to appear in them because they were forced to transmit that image.

    Luckily my eyes started to tear up they way they do when you you been cutting onions for an hour or so, so there was no permanent damage to my eyes.

    Oh, come now. She is not that bad looking. My first thought was, “She seems to have lost some weight.” And maybe she could use a less-saggy bra.

     She would be glad to use a less-saggy bra if we would buy one for her.

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  22. MSJL Thatcher
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    @MSJL

    Please tell me this is parody.

    There are times when you like to think your opponents are worthy of the fight.

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  23. MLH Inactive
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    @MLH

    Richard Finlay:

    Mike LaRoche:

    Q: How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

    A: That’s not funny!

    It really isn’t! Even if the lightbulb were big enough, it doesn’t seem like it would be comfortable… and you’d have to be way too careful to make sure it wouldn’t break.

     Plus, light bulbs are getting hard to find.

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  24. Johnny Dubya Inactive
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    @JohnnyDubya

    “[A]nything involving a ‘disenfranchised population’ is off-limits.”

    What?! We can’t tell jokes about felons? 

    (But I suspect the word “disenfranchised” is being misused here, as it frequently is. Progressives: That word doesn’t mean what you think it means.)

    “'[W]hat makes Jon Stewart brilliant is that he only has to say the first line and the audience starts laughing because they already know the punchline.’”

    I guess “brilliant” doesn’t mean what I thought it meant. Apparently, it means “predictable”:

    The action movie was brilliant, with lots of explosions, bad CGI effects, and a by-the-numbers script.

    John came home to find that, brilliantly, his teenaged daughter was lying on the couch, texting her friends.

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  25. Howellis Inactive
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    @ManWiththeAxe

    There is a great episode of “Louis” with Louis C.K. (probably from 2010) in which Nick DiPaolo does a stand-up routine, and begins to criticize the newly-elected Obama. The audience meets his witty lines with dead silence, though we know they would have laughed their heads off if the jokes had been about George Bush. Later, having a drink with Louis, Nick complains that people are in love with Obama and that’s why they don’t have a sense of humor about him. Louis, a die-hard liberal, calls Nick a Nazi, and they have a physical altercation. 

    The episode points out realistically how humorless the left is when the object of their affection is the target of the joke. “Food on your family” is hilarious, but “corpse man” is an honest mistake. It took years for any comedian to poke fun at Obama. Jon Stewart actually said that Obama just doesn’t provide any humorous material. Now, that’s funny.

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  26. user_656019 Coolidge
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    @RayKujawa

    Mike LaRoche:

    Q: How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

    A: That’s not funny!

     I didn’t think you can fit any feminists in a lightbulb. Answer: Zero.

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  27. user_1121313 Inactive
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    @AnotherLawyerWaistingTime

    It is nuanced “oneness” and you all are not included in the nuanced-ness of one because you all are a bunch of racist, sexist, homophobic, gun toting, God clinging, haters and statically speaking liberals are just funnier . . . because they think they are.

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