Enlightened Elites Are Kindly Granting You A Grace Period In Which to Dissent — Merina Smith

 

What do you think of the public statement signed by a cadre of intellectuals entitled Freedom to Marry, Freedom to Dissent: Why We Must Have BothThe statement, signed by supporters of gay marriage, calls for more tolerance in the debate over the issue, pointing to recent incidents like the controversy surrounding Brendan Eich:

We support same-sex marriage; many of us have worked for it, in some cases for a large portion of our professional and personal lives. We affirm our unwavering commitment to civic and legal equality, including marriage equality. At the same time, we also affirm our unwavering commitment to the values of the open society and to vigorous public debate—the values that have brought us to the brink of victory.

It is admirable that the well-respected signatories are calling for tolerance, but I am less than impressed with their statement. First, they repeat that deceptive little slogan “marriage equality” in a celebratory way, as if it really explained or illuminated anything. Can these smart people be unaware that equality simply means treating like things alike? The question, which has never been answered satisfactorily by anyone on that side of the debate, is what is the significance of the differences, particularly for children? Might there be a good reason why sexual unions that produce children should be treated differently than those that can’t? That nasty little question-begging slogan  “marriage equality” has in fact been a means of preventing discussion about the real issues at stake.  

I do like their next point, that diversity is the natural consequence of liberty. They also say that this entails paying serious attention to the arguments of those they oppose. That’s good. Would that they would do so.  

But since they assert unequivocally throughout the piece that they all support redefining marriage and are certain that this course is correct — without ever acknowledging that there might be some good reasons that marriage has always been limited to connecting males and females — one has to doubt that they have taken their opposition seriously, especially when they claim that “free speech created the social space for us to criticize and demolish the arguments against gay marriage and LGBT equality.” Uh, might there be some hubris going on here? The term “marriage equality” demolished no arguments, just avoided them.  

Similarly, their use of judges to force their will on people who had voted against their side is not “demolishing” any sort of argument. In fact, Justice Kennedy’s shameful claim that there can be no reason besides animus against gays (read: “hate,” the queen of all delegitimizing words) is similarly a way to avoid dealing with objections and arguments. The myriad questions in this debate about social understandings and processes, fathers and mothers, family, and children and the importance of embedding them as often as possible in biological families have not been addressed. They tout the value of free speech without acknowledging their own complicity in subverting it on behalf of the cause they so self-righteously proclaim.

Then there’s this little gem:

We prefer debate that is respectful, but we cannot enforce good manners. We must have the strength to accept that some people think misguidedly and harmfully about us. But we must also acknowledge that disagreement is not, itself, harm or hate.  

Nice of them to say that those of us who disagree with them are not necessarily, per se, causing them “harm or hate”, but we are lacking in manners and are obviously misguided. Yup—that’s a time-honored way to respect the opinions of others and foster debate. Having lived through the run-up to Prop 8 here in California and observed the situation since, I can tell you that the lack of manners is preponderantly on their side.  

They end with an appeal for tolerance of opposing views—no one should lose their job (as Brendan Eich did) because they donated to Prop 8‚but there are limits to their patience. Their last passage reads, “we place our confidence in persuasion, not punishment. We believe it is the only truly secure path to equal rights.” In other words, they can put up with us for now, but if we aren’t eventually brought around by their wonderful patient persuasion, well… you kind of get the idea that what they’re asking for is a grace period during which the benighted ideas of their opponents can become so beyond the pale that no one will dare express them.

Don’t get me wrong. I actually do appreciate that they have released this statement, because it is much better than the desired course of the witch-hunting, take-no-prisoners wing of their coalition. But while patronizing statements are better than nothing, it would be far better to finally actually have the debate that they claim is over.  

 

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  1. tabula rasa Inactive
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    Umbra Fractus:

    tabula rasa: I grew up thinking the right to dissent and to hold one’s own view on a subject (without fear of reprisal) was baked into the cake of the American republic.

    I see what you did there. :-)

     If only I were that clever.  Purely inadvertent, but it’s growing on me.

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  2. user_517406 Inactive
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    UF and TR–must confess–missing the joke!

    Tom, unfortunately Jonah Goldberg is probably correct that using the Civil Rights paradigm doesn’t leave much room for compromise.  There have been possibilities of compromise along the way.  Civil union was a compromise position, respecting religious freedom is one, but it’s become something of a zero sum game.  People might naturally create a compromise in everyday speech that identifies people as “married” or “gay married.”  This makes some sense because it conveys social information that people actually want to know and indicates a relevant difference.  It’s also not the sort of thing that can be easily controlled by an interest group.  

    Still, there are legal questions and religious freedom questions that it is harder to address in informal ways. I honestly don’t think the population that supports gender  neutral marriage in a weak way–and that is a lot of people–wants a big battle over this.  They’d like a compromise position that keeps religious freedom and freedom of association intact while allowing gay people to marry.  That doesn’t seem to be what that lobby wants, however, hence the statement.

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  3. FloppyDisk90 Member
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    Umbra Fractus:

    FloppyDisk90: As for Eich/Mozilla and legal decisions I do indeed hold a higher standard for bullying then simply anything I don’t agree with. Mob behavior, yes, bad legal decisions and cowardice in the face of on-line pressure, no.

    And you don’t consider the mass push to make Eich unemployable to be mob behavior?

     No.  Just because more than one person was involved doesn’t make it a mob.  The on-line response was legal and peaceful, albeit misguided and not respectful.

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  4. user_668525 Inactive
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    Very late to this discussion, but wanted to add a few comments regarding the sea change in public acceptance of same-sex, so-called, marriage.

    As a mother of 5 kids ranging in age from 19 – 7, I can tell you that the issue of “marriage equality” (scare quotes are intentional) is presented to them as a matter of fairness.  That is the ultimate question posed in school about every social issue – from homosexuality to environmentalism, to fossil fuel consumption to even what we eat.  “Is it fair?”  When Mendel argues that the change has been organic I can appreciate his use of that word, but it is only organic if one considers the long-term indoctrination that has been going on for years in our public schools and in the entertainment media to be organic.  Mendel asserts that attitudes have changed because we’ve gotten to know homosexuals on a personal level.  That may be so, but if the incidence is only 2 – 3% of the general population I’d say we more likely have gotten to know those fun gay characters on TV starting with “Will and Grace” and culminating in “Glee.”

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  5. user_517406 Inactive
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    Nerina– (name-rhyming Mom-of-five alter ego!) Yes–I’ve noticed the same thing during my kids’ school education.  We should always be kind and respectful to others, certainly, but “fairness” is a slippery word if there ever was one.  When my daughter Rachel was a child she had an exquisite sense of fairness, her most frequent complaint being “That’s not fair!”  We got so we called “fair” the unspeakable four letter F word in our family.

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  6. user_668525 Inactive
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    Merina!  We also have a Rachel – she’s number four in the mix.

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  7. Mendel Inactive
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    Merina Smith:

    Now–the type of change that the left has tried to foist on us is utterly unimaginable given the stable history of marriage without some powerful bullying of all sorts. It just is. There is no way this would have happened without it.

     Haven’t had much time today online, but just wanted to respond to this point:
    It may seem that the incredible change from marriage as a millenia-old stable institution to acceptance of gay marriage is too drastic a change to happen within a generation without being mainly driven by activists.
    But you’re omitting a huge chapter in that generation: the divorce boom. As the child of a late 70s divorce, it is impossible for me to overstate how the widespread introduction of divorce has cheapened, if not ruined the “stable” institution of marriage for me and so many of my peers.
    The divorce epidemic of the last 30 years has been like a pack of termites to the stable house of marriage. While it might seem like the activists tore down the house, all they really had to do was lightly tap on it – it was already so hollowed it that a slight push by the activists was enough to make it collapse.

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  8. user_517406 Inactive
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    Oh trust me Mendel, no-fault divorce is not something I have omitted from any histories. And I will agree with you that it has contributed to the problem, which is no reason to take a further step toward ruining such an important social institution.

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  9. user_517406 Inactive
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    Nerina Bellinger:

    Merina! We also have a Rachel – she’s number four in the mix.

     I love it!  They say everybody has their twin out there somewhere!!!!  I hope your Rachel doesn’t  constantly demand fairness.   

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  10. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Merina Smith: UF and TR–must confess–missing the joke!

     Cake bakers, especially those who cater to weddings, are one of the major battlegrounds in the fight to retain religious freedom.

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  11. user_517406 Inactive
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    Oh–OK–thanks for explaining!

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