Nutbag Theories On Wellness — DocJay

 

What is your favorite stupid health theory?

I saw a patient recently with diabetes, hypertension, arthritis, hyperlipidemia and obesity. She was discussing the homeopathic “medications” and Indian spirit guidance her cleaning lady was espousing to her as a way forward.  My job at times means that I have to listen to various crackpots discuss these kind of theories, so I listened for a while about this lady’s cleaner and her path to wellness.   

I asked my patient — who has recently been making strides in diet and exercise — if she is feeling better. She answered yes, indeed she does. “Well, the reason your cleaning lady feels good,” I explained “is that she eats great, has a low body mass index, and exercises every single day. The other stuff this shaman suggests may hold her together, but the way for people to feel good physically is not a mystery.” Sigh.

Of important note from this interaction: Apparently if you can see out your back door from the front door there is a drain on wealth and health. Erect a barrier to stop the spirits from draining your goodies. Who knew?

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  1. Kay of MT Inactive
    Kay of MT
    @KayofMT

    Johnny Dubya:

    I’ve heard people ridicule the gluten-free diet lately, as if it is just another nutbag theory. My daughter has celiac disease, diagnosed by a gastroenterologist via an intestinal biopsy. Her villi were severely flattened, and she was sick on a daily basis. She’s fine now, eating an “annoying” diet of meat, fish, eggs, milk, cheese, rice, potatoes, vegetables, salads, nuts, and occasional sweets.

    Kay here: I had to develop all my own recipes in the 60s and 70s but today there are Celiac support groups with hundreds of ideas. Also I have a set of 5 books by Bette Hagman, “The Gluten-Free Gourmet” was her first book. She is deceased now. P.M. me if you need help with your daughter’s diet. I have a whole binder of recipes and will be glad to share. I sent gluten free snacks to school with my grandson for his entire classroom. School nurse called me, “I want your recipes.” So sent enough for the teacher and the school nurse.

    I made his hamburger and hot dog buns, and his tortillas. Don’t buy the gluten free bread products in the stores.

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  2. user_1938 Inactive
    user_1938
    @AaronMiller

    My preferred nutbag:
    518ID81lKaL

    Though beef jerky is better. Five strips a day keep the hippies away.

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  3. Kay of MT Inactive
    Kay of MT
    @KayofMT

    Arahant:

    PracticalMary: Gluten free is very popular these days and the market is wide open.

    For some of us, that is not just a nutty theory. But for most, they could keep eating all of those tasty grainy foods with little consequence.

     Same advice for you, p.m. me for some recipes. My feather light-gluten free flour makes the most delicious Belgian waffles you’ve ever tasted.

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  4. user_986247 Inactive
    user_986247
    @luly

    When I had a total collapse about 15 years ago and my regular doctor could do nothing for me except prescribe medications that didn’t help, I went over the line to alternative health practitioners.  Homeopathy gave me my life back.  It works.  You have to get way out of your box to be willing to understand it – it is completely counter-intuitive to people raised on allopathy.  But I am here to tell you it works.  

    Like cures like.  It’s easy to test: a kitchen burn treated with heat will heal quickly and without a blister or scar.  My niece takes a hot bath if she gets a sunburn and it makes it better.  She discovered this on her own.

    I have noticed conservatives are just as bad as liberals in their own little boxes.  

    Oh, and I wear birkenstocks, too, and with socks if it’s cold.  And I’m a conservative Christian.  Takes all kinds.

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  5. Kay of MT Inactive
    Kay of MT
    @KayofMT

    DocJay:

    Kay of MT:

    Johnny Dubya:

     

    I have a daughter and two grandchildren who are celiac. The daughter diagnosed in 1960 at age 15 months after she nearly died from malnutrition. Grandson diagnosed at 8 months, granddaughter diagnosed at 23. Hardly anyone heard of celiac in 1960 today practically an epidemic. Same with autism, who had ever heard of it in 1960? Today a world wide epidemic. Pay attention Doc, celiac can kill you.

    Highly aware of celiac and was actually on the cutting edge two decades ago.

     So glad to hear that DocJay, was wondering… It really isn’t difficult if you make up you mind to live gluten free. I wasn’t about to cook two different meals for my family, so both daughters raised on gluten free diets. Same when cooking for my grandson, he lived with me for several years and entire family ate gluten free, and guess what? They didn’t even know it.

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  6. Ryan M Inactive
    Ryan M
    @RyanM

    Docjay, those Crystals you prescribed for me have been working wonders.  I’m with you – a real medical license is essential.  Notice how I capitalized Crystal?

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  7. DocJay Inactive
    DocJay
    @DocJay

    Ryan M:

    Docjay, those Crystals you prescribed for me have been working wonders. I’m with you – a real medical license is essential. Notice how I capitalized Crystal?

     I’m sure your neighbors are upset their Sudafed isn’t available because you cooked it all.

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  8. DocJay Inactive
    DocJay
    @DocJay

    luly:

    When I had a total collapse about 15 years ago and my regular doctor could do nothing for me except prescribe medications that didn’t help, I went over the line to alternative health practitioners. Homeopathy gave me my life back. It works. You have to get way out of your box to be willing to understand it – it is completely counter-intuitive to people raised on allopathy. But I am here to tell you it works.

    Like cures like. It’s easy to test: a kitchen burn treated with heat will heal quickly and without a blister or scar. My niece takes a hot bath if she gets a sunburn and it makes it better. She discovered this on her own.

    I have noticed conservatives are just as bad as liberals in their own little boxes.

    Oh, and I wear birkenstocks, too, and with socks if it’s cold. And I’m a conservative Christian. Takes all kinds.

     Yes it does take all kinds and I’m glad you feel better.

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  9. Nicegrizzly Inactive
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    @Nicegrizzly

    DocJay: “Well, the reason your cleaning lady feels good,” I explained “is that she eats great, has a low body mass index, and exercises every single day. The other stuff this shaman suggests may hold her together, but the way for people to feel good physically is not a mystery.” Sigh.

     This is actually a really important point. I had a friend point to all the supplements they take and their “natural” approach to wellness as the reason for his health. I directed him to look at his lifestyle: runs several times a week, eats a great diet, etc – all complies with conventional medical advice. 
    I believe that’s why many diehard proponents of alternative medicine tend to be very healthy – they diet and exercise and manage stress. Of course, they would point to the herbs and essential oils and such. 

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  10. DocJay Inactive
    DocJay
    @DocJay

    Kay of MT:

    Arahant:

    PracticalMary: Gluten free is very popular these days and the market is wide open.

    For some of us, that is not just a nutty theory. But for most, they could keep eating all of those tasty grainy foods with little consequence.

    Same advice for you, p.m. me for some recipes. My feather light-gluten free flour makes the most delicious Belgian waffles you’ve ever tasted.

     If I’d been on the ball 15 years ago I’d have had a whole series of foods named after me and of course, diagnosed everyone with gluten issues the only cure for which is my food line ( or more cowbell).  

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  11. DocJay Inactive
    DocJay
    @DocJay

    Nicegrizzly:

    DocJay: “Well, the reason your cleaning lady feels good,” I explained “is that she eats great, has a low body mass index, and exercises every single day. The other stuff this shaman suggests may hold her together, but the way for people to feel good physically is not a mystery.” Sigh.

    This is actually a really important point. I had a friend point to all the supplements they take and their “natural” approach to wellness as the reason for his health. I directed him to look at his lifestyle: runs several times a week, eats a great diet, etc – all complies with conventional medical advice. I believe that’s why many diehard proponents of alternative medicine tend to be very healthy – they diet and exercise and manage stress. Of course, they would point to the herbs and essential oils and such.

     Right you are but I done heard her AIDS was also cured with coconut oil.  Nuff said?

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  12. Fricosis Guy Listener
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    @FricosisGuy

    anonymous:

    Johnny Dubya:

    Why does wheat have to be in so many foods–even condiments such as soy sauce and barbeque sauce? It makes no sense.

    The agricultural revolution was largely about the development of technologies which allowed humans to eat grass. As hunter-gatherers, we either hunted animals which ate grass or gathered fruit and vegetables which grew naturally. With the domestication of wheat, oats, barley, maize, etc., we learned to eat the seeds of these highly-efficient plants which convert sunlight, water, and soil nutrients into carbohydrates and protein. This allowed a great expansion in the human population, settled communities, and civilisation. Modern warfare developed from settled farmers defending their fields.

    Unfortunately, evolution works very slowly, and we still haven’t completely adapted to this radical change in diet. Its consequences can be seen in stark detail in nomadic populations which have been settled in villages and transitioned to the agricultural diet, such as the Inuit of Canada. If you’re much over the age of 40, evolution hasn’t had a chance to adapt you to this innovative diet (since selection ceases to work after the childbearing years), so you might consider eating more like our ancestors.

     In a riff off John’s comment about radical changes, here’s something on another radical change. Has anyone listened to the recent Econtalk on emerging work re: the role of our suddenly hygienic environment? From the summary:

    Moises Velasquez-Manoff, author of An Epidemic of Absence, talks with EconTalk host Russ Roberts about his book–a discussion of why allergies and autoimmune diseases have been on the rise in the developed world for the last half-century. Velasquez-Manoff explores a recent hypothesis in the epidemiological literature theorizing the increase is a response to the overly hygienic environment in rich countries and the absence of various microbes and parasites.

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  13. user_981769 Inactive
    user_981769
    @Derringdoo

    The one that drives me to distraction is every time someone other than me in the house gets a cold, my wife insists on maxing them out on symptom suppressants so that “the immune system can do its job”.  No matter how many times I’ve explained that cold symptoms _were_ the immune system doing its job.

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  14. Kay of MT Inactive
    Kay of MT
    @KayofMT

    DocJay:

    Kay of MT:

    Arahant:

     

    For some of us, that is not just a nutty theory. But for most, they could keep eating all of those tasty grainy foods with little consequence.

    Same advice for you, p.m. me for some recipes. My feather light-gluten free flour makes the most delicious Belgian waffles you’ve ever tasted.

    If I’d been on the ball 15 years ago I’d have had a whole series of foods named after me and of course, diagnosed everyone with gluten issues the only cure for which is my food line ( or more cowbell).

     Doc, I tried some of the stuff they sell in the stores, and most of it is crap. My stuff has to be eaten within several days because no preservatives. I give away my recipes. I have a friend whose grandson is celiac but also glucose intolerant, as well as allergic to corn and soy. I made up a corn free baking powder for her, and she makes his biscuits for him.

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  15. Vance Richards Inactive
    Vance Richards
    @VanceRichards

    DrewInWisconsin:

    Lately it seems I’m hearing all about “oil pulling.” This is the “ancient ayurvedic practice” of putting a gob of coconut oil in your mouth and swishing it around for 20 minutes. It’s supposed to cure everything from bad breath and gingivitis to AIDS. Yes, AIDS.

    Of course, “Big Pharma” doesn’t want you to know that.

    (Sigh.)

     Now even if could work, how do you keep a mouthful of oil for 20 minutes? At some point don’t  you need to breathe, swallow, speak, spit, etc.? And if you sneeze with a mouthful of oil it will be time to buy a new carpet.

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  16. Vance Richards Inactive
    Vance Richards
    @VanceRichards

    A while back my wife complained to me that one of her cousins was getting into “that reiki crap.” Evidently that is like a massage but instead of massaging the body they massage your “energy”.

    And to think, my wife put up with surgery, chemo, and radiation when all we really needed to do was wave away the negative energy. I wonder if Obamacare will replace surgery, chemo, and radiation with reiki? It would be cheaper.

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  17. PracticalMary Member
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    DocJay:

    Johnny Dubya:

    DocJay:

    PracticalMary:

    Gluten free is very popular these days and the market is wide open.

    Indeed. I test for it a lot. It is more prevalent than we thought but far less prevalent than the alternative docs claim….since they claim everyone has it.

    I’ve heard people ridicule the gluten-free diet lately, as if it is just another nutbag theory. My daughter has celiac disease, diagnosed by a gastroenterologist via an intestinal biopsy. Her villi were severely flattened, and she was sick on a daily basis. She’s fine now, eating an “annoying” diet of meat, fish, eggs, milk, cheese, rice, potatoes, vegetables, salads, nuts, and occasional sweets.

    Why does wheat have to be in so many foods–even condiments such as soy sauce and barbeque sauce? It makes no sense.

    Gluten free existence is a pain in the bottom. People ridicule it (gluten disorder) because the alternative medicine docs diagnose everyone with it and then of course…

    I understand, but all of sudden EVERYONE is gluten free and it’s a new market. I personally lean toward the ‘Nourishing Traditions’ way of looking at food (and grains) but I don’t agree with everything.

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  18. PracticalMary Member
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    @

    Wanted to read the GMO comments, but gotta go to my first cooking class- Italian!

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  19. tabula rasa Inactive
    tabula rasa
    @tabularasa

    Bacon.  Any health remedy that prescribes bacon is good for you.

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  20. Mendel Inactive
    Mendel
    @Mendel

    I have a close relative who suddenly and inexplicably developed “chemical sensitivity” which prevented her from using most soaps, dish detergents, air fresheners, etc., lest they continue to poison her body. Even though no licensed MD could find any physiological evidence of this poisoning, there were more than enough alternative “doctors” willing to enable her.
    At some point her “condition” became so bad that she moved from her lifelong home in New England to the south because the fumes from her heating system were “poisoning” her too much. Then she found out how hard it is to live in the South without A/C – and all the chemicals that put into her air…

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  21. Mendel Inactive
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    @Mendel

    I think much more harmful than alternative medicines is the inevitable overreaction which occur when we actually identify a genuine solution.
    Antibiotics and the over-use of antimicrobials is one example.
    Another is dietary fat: based on a weak link between cholesterol in our food and cholesterol in our arteries, every manufacturer stripped the fat out of their foods – and in many cases replaced it with sugar, which turns out to be much worse for us. Now a crusade is forming to make sugar labelled a toxin and have it completely removed from our diet, which is overreacting in the other direction.
    The same phenomenon is occurring with carbs/gluten: as anonymous points out, our bodies aren’t made for full-on carb diets. But for everyone without Coeliac disease, completely eliminating carbs is like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
    Our bodies can handle almost anything in moderation, but unfortunately our psyche can’t.

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  22. EJHill Podcaster
    EJHill
    @EJHill

    Note to wives: Sex cures everything. What it doesn’t cure causes us men to die with a smile on our face. (Pass it on.)

    • #82
  23. user_1029039 Inactive
    user_1029039
    @JasonRudert

    Circumcision as a preventative for AIDS.

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  24. Guruforhire Inactive
    Guruforhire
    @Guruforhire

    My dad has what he calls the Al Sharpton Diet.

    If its white its bad; don’t eat it.

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  25. Autistic License Coolidge
    Autistic License
    @AutisticLicense

    Orthorexia nervosa. The silent killer.

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  26. Midwestern Gal Inactive
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    @MidwesternGal

    1.  The various and sundry evils  allegedly caused by gluten;
    2. The miraculous properties ascribed to coconut oil;
    3.  The idea that the sex of a fetus is revealed by the size and shape of his or her mother’s belly.

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  27. user_44643 Inactive
    user_44643
    @MikeLaRoche

    DocJay:

    Amy Schley:

    Fern:

    Colloidal silver. I don’t understand what it is so I won’t even try to explain it. The basic definition is “submicroscopic metallic silver particles” suspended in liquid. I seriously don’t get it, but I’ve heard it cures EVERYTHING!!!!!1!!!11

    I was telling my sister about it and her response was, “Hey, Goldschläger cures all too!”

    In fairness, silver is good as a non-allergenic topical antibiotic, so it can be effective for eye and ear drops or cuts/abrasions. Somehow I doubt that’s the application being discussed, however.

    I hear it works well on politicians, who are most likely werewolves also. Shhhhhh.

     It turned this politician – the Libertarian candidate during the 2006 U.S. Senate race in Montana – blue.

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  28. DocJay Inactive
    DocJay
    @DocJay

    Mike,I used to know a lady with osteogenesis imperfecta.  They have blue sclera.   Fascinating, like Dune coming to life.Blue_sclera

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  29. user_940995 Inactive
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    @Cornrobie

    Johnny Dubya:

    Why does wheat have to be in so many foods–even condiments such as soy sauce and barbeque sauce? It makes no sense.

    For Soy Sauce look for Braggs or Eden Organic Tamari. Braggs calls it liquid Aminos but it’s soy sauce.

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  30. user_940995 Inactive
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    @Cornrobie

    Oil pulling has quite a bit of research behind it.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18408265
    That’s just one but there a lot more.
    The best reasoning I heard for reducing sugar consumption (not just sweets but easily converted grains to sugar, potatoes, fruit) was that until just recently in human existence sugar consumption was low and seasonal. The body then does it’s best to store that scarce sugar as fat as a precaution against starvation.

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