“Army Values”

 

A report is out that West Point is removing “Duty, Honor, Country” from its motto. Instead it will have the words “Army Values”. The Superintendent is trying to argue that since Army values include duty, honor and country that it is no big deal.

Gilland made a point to say that West Point’s mission statement has changed nine times and that “Duty, Honor, Country was first added to the mission statement in 1998.”

The general added that “Army Values include Duty and Honor, and Country is reflected in Loyalty, bearing true faith and allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, the Army, your unit, and other Soldiers.”

Interesting that the phrase “Duty, Honor, Country” was only added in 1998. Many of us probably assumed it was much earlier, given the words of General Douglas McArthur’s famous farewell address included the following —

In the evening of my memory, always I come back to West Point. Always there echoes and re-echoes: Duty, Honor, Country.

So maybe it isn’t really a big deal. But when you replace specific values with a more vague (if arguably comprehensive) phrase, you are focusing on the vessel, not the contents. And any vessel can be emptied and refilled with something very different indeed.

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  1. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    Jeff Petraska (View Comment):

    “Army Values” actually has a specific definition. The are Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity, and Personal Courage. It’s not common knowledge to the general public but they are definitely known to Army personnel, both uniformed and civilian.

    Army Values

    If your mission statement has seven ultimate values, chances are you’re doing none of them.

    Tend to agree.  As a doggie from the mid-60s, those “values”  appear to be something a boot would be required to memorize such as the General Orders or Chain of Command.  On the other hand, “Duty, Honor, Country” was/is a code to live by.

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  2. Saint Augustine Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    Jeff Petraska (View Comment):

    “Army Values” actually has a specific definition. The are Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity, and Personal Courage. It’s not common knowledge to the general public but they are definitely known to Army personnel, both uniformed and civilian.

    Army Values

    If your mission statement has seven ultimate values, chances are you’re doing none of them.

    Not that I assert that West Point is “doing none of them“, but @ stevefast has a point. I like hierarchical ordering because that means that you are striving for the top end goal that can only be accomplished by adherence to the nested goals. And Duty, Honor, Country did that. I know it’s semantics. But sometimes semantics are useful.

    Semantics are not only useful. They are important.

    Plato’s Socrates, Jowett translation:

    . . . for false words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil.

    Confucian Analects, Muller translation:

    Zi Lu said: “The ruler of Wei is anticipating your assistance in the administration of his state. What will be your top priority?”

    Confucius said, “There must be a correction of terminology.”

    Zi Lu said, “Are you serious? Why is this so important?”

    Confucius said, “You are really simple, aren’t you? A noble man is cautious about jumping to conclusions about that which he does not know.”

    “If terminology is not corrected, then what is said cannot be followed. If what is said cannot be followed, then work cannot be accomplished. If work cannot be accomplished, then ritual and music cannot be developed. If ritual and music cannot be developed, then criminal punishments will not be appropriate. If criminal punishments are not appropriate, the people cannot make a move. Therefore, the noble man needs to have his terminology applicable to real language, and his speech must accord with his actions. The speech of the noble man cannot be indefinite.”

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  3. Postmodern Hoplite Coolidge
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    Jeff Petraska (View Comment):

    “Army Values” actually has a specific definition. The are Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity, and Personal Courage. It’s not common knowledge to the general public but they are definitely known to Army personnel, both uniformed and civilian.

    Army Values

    If your mission statement has seven ultimate values, chances are you’re doing none of them.

    Not that I assert that West Point is “doing none of them“, but @ stevefast has a point. I like hierarchical ordering because that means that you are striving for the top end goal that can only be accomplished by adherence to the nested goals. And Duty, Honor, Country did that. I know it’s semantics. But sometimes semantics are useful.

    Semantics are not only useful. They are important.

    Plato’s Socrates, Jowett translation:

    . . . for false words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil.

    Confucian Analects, Muller translation:

    Zi Lu said: “The ruler of Wei is anticipating your assistance in the administration of his state. What will be your top priority?”

    Confucius said, “There must be a correction of terminology.”

    Zi Lu said, “Are you serious? Why is this so important?”

    Confucius said, “You are really simple, aren’t you? A noble man is cautious about jumping to conclusions about that which he does not know.”

    “If terminology is not corrected, then what is said cannot be followed. If what is said cannot be followed, then work cannot be accomplished. If work cannot be accomplished, then ritual and music cannot be developed. If ritual and music cannot be developed, then criminal punishments will not be appropriate. If criminal punishments are not appropriate, the people cannot make a move. Therefore, the noble man needs to have his terminology applicable to real language, and his speech must accord with his actions. The speech of the noble man cannot be indefinite.”

    Looks like I’m going to have to add Confucius to my summer reading list…do you have any suggests as to a “Confucius for Dummies” text?

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  4. Saint Augustine Member
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    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    Jeff Petraska (View Comment):

    “Army Values” actually has a specific definition. The are Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity, and Personal Courage. It’s not common knowledge to the general public but they are definitely known to Army personnel, both uniformed and civilian.

    Army Values

    If your mission statement has seven ultimate values, chances are you’re doing none of them.

    Not that I assert that West Point is “doing none of them“, but @ stevefast has a point. I like hierarchical ordering because that means that you are striving for the top end goal that can only be accomplished by adherence to the nested goals. And Duty, Honor, Country did that. I know it’s semantics. But sometimes semantics are useful.

    Semantics are not only useful. They are important.

    Plato’s Socrates, Jowett translation:

    . . . for false words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil.

    Confucian Analects, Muller translation:

    Zi Lu said: “The ruler of Wei is anticipating your assistance in the administration of his state. What will be your top priority?”

    Confucius said, “There must be a correction of terminology.”

    Zi Lu said, “Are you serious? Why is this so important?”

    Confucius said, “You are really simple, aren’t you? A noble man is cautious about jumping to conclusions about that which he does not know.”

    “If terminology is not corrected, then what is said cannot be followed. If what is said cannot be followed, then work cannot be accomplished. If work cannot be accomplished, then ritual and music cannot be developed. If ritual and music cannot be developed, then criminal punishments will not be appropriate. If criminal punishments are not appropriate, the people cannot make a move. Therefore, the noble man needs to have his terminology applicable to real language, and his speech must accord with his actions. The speech of the noble man cannot be indefinite.”

    Looks like I’m going to have to add Confucius to my summer reading list…do you have any suggests as to a “Confucius for Dummies” text?

    The Oxford Very Short Intro by . . . Gardner.

    Fingarette wrote a classic, not exactly for dummies.

    And this:

    https://ricochet.com/1376368/confucianism-is-awsome/

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  5. Stad Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I’m relieved to see that many of you also know that although Israelis are not wild about Bibi in general (he still hasn’t taken any responsibility for Oct. 7), they still support his execution of the war.

    Edit: I think I put this on the wrong post–oops!

    Doesn’t matter.  I like your comment!

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  6. Skyler Coolidge
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    You just can’t make this stuff up anymore.  The ideas of the “progressives” (aka, communists) are just stupid and beyond parody.

    That is the intent.

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  7. Red Herring Coolidge
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    John Solomon Reports podcast I am listening to talked about a soldier in training here who hadn’t been allowed to graduate from basic training because he has been tabbed a white supremacist for not embracing DEI. Fellow recruits have already said he isn’t a racist. Can’t wait for the follow-on investigation. 

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  8. Al Sparks Coolidge
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    I don’t have much confidence in today’s U.S. military leadership.  So I’m suspicious of the change.

    But I also think it’s interesting that the phrase was only instituted in its mission statement in 1992.  It reminds me of the Pledge of Allegiance controversy about keeping “…One Nation under God…” in the pledge.

    When I found out that the phrase was inserted during the Eisenhower Administration, I found that interesting too.

    Somehow we won World War II without it.  And MacArthur popularized the phrase, Duty, Honor, Country in a speech to West Point in 1960, so that means the West Point cadets that went on to win World War II also managed to do so without that too.  MacArthur himself had a controversial military career that included in the end, being removed for disobeying his Commander in Chief, essentially challenging civilian control of the military, one of the hallmarks of our constitution.

    So of the three, Duty, Honor, Country, I’ll give him 2 out of 3, when assessing his career.

    He was a very ambitious man, who almost disgraced himself in the end.

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  9. Rodin Member
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    I don’t have much confidence in today’s U.S. military leadership. So I’m suspicious of the change.

    But I also think it’s interesting that the phrase was only instituted in its mission statement in 1992. It reminds me of the Pledge of Allegiance controversy about keeping “…One Nation under God…” in the pledge.

    When I found out that the phrase was inserted during the Eisenhower Administration, I found that interesting too.

    Somehow we won World War II without it. And MacArthur popularized the phrase, Duty, Honor, Country in a speech to West Point in 1960, so that means the West Point cadets that went on to win World War II also managed to do so without that too. MacArthur himself had a controversial military career that included in the end, being removed for disobeying his Commander in Chief, essentially challenging civilian control of the military, one of the hallmarks of our constitution.

    So of the three, Duty, Honor, Country, I’ll give him 2 out of 3, when assessing his career.

    He was a very ambitious man, who almost disgraced himself in the end.

    And yet General Milley has no ignominious end.

    McArther was Superintendent of West Point in the 1920s and at that time the mission statement had some formulation (or proposed formulation) of the “duty, honor, country” mantra. 

     

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  10. Al Sparks Coolidge
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    And yet General Milley has no ignominious end.

    McArther was Superintendent of West Point in the 1920s and at that time the mission statement had some formulation (or proposed formulation) of the “duty, honor, country” mantra. 

    Mark Milley’s accomplishments have no comparison to MacArthur’s, whether as a successful general or a villain.

    MacArthur’s military career ended 73 years ago.  We’re still talking about him.  Milley is a drab bureaucrat who won’t be remembered in 5 years.

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  11. Skyler Coolidge
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    And yet General Milley has no ignominious end.

    McArther was Superintendent of West Point in the 1920s and at that time the mission statement had some formulation (or proposed formulation) of the “duty, honor, country” mantra.

    Mark Milley’s accomplishments have no comparison to MacArthur’s, whether as a successful general or a villain.

    MacArthur’s military career ended 73 years ago. We’re still talking about him. Milley is a drab bureaucrat who won’t be remembered in 5 years.

    Except as a treasonous SOB who delights in talking to his “counterpart” in the Chinese army.

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  12. Globalitarian Lower Order Misanthropist Coolidge
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    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):

    There is much to criticize in the new West Point mission statement. What strikes me as most despicable is this: by removing “Honor” from its mission, they also essentially gut the Honor Code: “A cadet will not lie, cheat or steal; nor tolerate those who do.” Of course, West Point (and the other service academies) have been weakening the Honor Code for decades, up to and including toleration of blatant organized cheating during the Covid lockdowns. From that point of view, removing “Honor” from the mission statement is not at all surprising. (“Yeah, all that ‘honor’ nonsense is SO old-fashioned, heteronormative, and evidence of toxic masculinity!”)

    And heteropatriarchal, too.

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  13. Steve C. Member
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    I don’t have much confidence in today’s U.S. military leadership. So I’m suspicious of the change.

    But I also think it’s interesting that the phrase was only instituted in its mission statement in 1992. It reminds me of the Pledge of Allegiance controversy about keeping “…One Nation under God…” in the pledge.

    When I found out that the phrase was inserted during the Eisenhower Administration, I found that interesting too.

    Somehow we won World War II without it. And MacArthur popularized the phrase, Duty, Honor, Country in a speech to West Point in 1960, so that means the West Point cadets that went on to win World War II also managed to do so without that too. MacArthur himself had a controversial military career that included in the end, being removed for disobeying his Commander in Chief, essentially challenging civilian control of the military, one of the hallmarks of our constitution.

    So of the three, Duty, Honor, Country, I’ll give him 2 out of 3, when assessing his career.

    He was a very ambitious man, who almost disgraced himself in the end.

    We also prevailed in many conflicts without a formal code of conduct.

    Our experience in Korea led to Eisenhower’s executive order establishing one for the armed forces. None of the articles were new or revolutionary. They were an official restatement of rules soldiers lived by for almost 200 years. 

    Much like the fetish for “mission statements” in civilian organizations, I guess sometimes it becomes necessary to formally document what has always been in the sinews of the Army. 

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  14. Skyler Coolidge
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    My current employer has a silly mission statement.  Every time we get a new boss, they change a word or two on it and make an announcement as though it were profound.

     

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  15. Al Sparks Coolidge
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    Steve C. (View Comment):
    Much like the fetish for “mission statements” in civilian organizations, I guess sometimes it becomes necessary to formally document what has always been in the sinews of the Army. 

    I agree with the characterization of mission statements as a fetish.  I include the military.

    I was a firefighter volunteer for 25 years.  I rose up the volunteer ranks, and became an assistant chief.  I participated in conferences and committees with our volunteer organization that dealt with mission statements.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that when it’s obvious what the organization does, including the military services, as well as a fire or police department, you really don’t need a mission statement.  And really those organizations shouldn’t be drafting their own mission statements anyway.  They’re established by legislation, or more broadly, by the “will of the people.”

    Their mission statements should be imposed by that, not by the members of the institution.

    As far as a statement of values is concerned, the military didn’t seem to need them when they were primarily a citizen soldier force, at least during war time.  The broader society brought those values into the institution that was the military.  Just as they do for volunteer fire departments.

    I work for an electric utility.  It’s another example of what we do being obvious.  And when it comes to integrety, the larger society has a big affect on employee integrity.  And if the larger society has lost those values, all the value statements in the world aren’t going to stop that degredation within the organization sooner or later.

    And it’s why I consider the changes to West Point’s mission statement to be irrelevant.  It’s a lagging indicator.  They aren’t being leaders, they’re being followers.

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  16. Red Herring Coolidge
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    “Mission“ perhaps carries more meaning for the military, as does “mission accomplishment.”

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  17. Steve C. Member
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    Steve C. (View Comment):
    Much like the fetish for “mission statements” in civilian organizations, I guess sometimes it becomes necessary to formally document what has always been in the sinews of the Army.

    I agree with the characterization of mission statements as a fetish. I include the military.

    I was a firefighter volunteer for 25 years. I rose up the volunteer ranks, and became an assistant chief. I participated in conferences and committees with our volunteer organization that dealt with mission statements.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that when it’s obvious what the organization does, including the military services, as well as a fire or police department, you really don’t need a mission statement. And really those organizations shouldn’t be drafting their own mission statements anyway. They’re established by legislation, or more broadly, by the “will of the people.”

    Their mission statements should be imposed by that, not by the members of the institution.

    As far as a statement of values is concerned, the military didn’t seem to need them when they were primarily a citizen soldier force, at least during war time. The broader society brought those values into the institution that was the military. Just as they do for volunteer fire departments.

    I work for an electric utility. It’s another example of what we do being obvious. And when it comes to integrety, the larger society has a big affect on employee integrity. And if the larger society has lost those values, all the value statements in the world aren’t going to stop that degredation within the organization sooner or later.

    And it’s why I consider the changes to West Point’s mission statement to be irrelevant. It’s a lagging indicator. They aren’t being leaders, they’re being followers.

    I agree. 

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  18. Steve C. Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    “Mission“ perhaps carries more meaning for the military, as does “mission accomplishment.”

    At least in the service you can accomplish your mission. Invade France, force Germany to surrender. Box checked.

    If you are MEGA Lo Mart, and your mission is making stuff available to customers at low prices…well you can’t really accomplish something lacking a definite end. I suppose you can measure the variance at a specific time. That’s one reason I’m skeptical of corporate mission statements. They are really more a statement of purpose. 

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  19. Skyler Coolidge
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    Steve C. (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    “Mission“ perhaps carries more meaning for the military, as does “mission accomplishment.”

    At least in the service you can accomplish your mission. Invade France, force Germany to surrender. Box checked.

    If you are MEGA Lo Mart, and your mission is making stuff available to customers at low prices…well you can’t really accomplish something lacking a definite end. I suppose you can measure the variance at a specific time. That’s one reason I’m skeptical of corporate mission statements. They are really more a statement of purpose.

    I blame MBA’s.  They seem to have been the common factor when looking for a reason why America’s businesses have been declining, especially manufacturing.  

    When I worked at Dell, Michael Dell hired as many MIT and Uof Michigan engineer MBA grads.  I guess some thought they were great, but to me they just competed with each other to show how great they were at the expense of the company.  

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  20. Sisyphus Member
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    As long as no virtues are referenced in the motto. Virtues are the new vices. All you white supremacists can consider yourselves on notice. And remember to check your daily pronoun updates, because patronizing sufferers from psychotic breaks is not just a good idea, it’s the law.

    My daily pronoun updates can be sent to 3825968@ idontcare.com.

    That mailbox appears to be full.

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