Dublin Riot: A Sudden ‘Right-Wing’ Insurrection with Unknown Causes?

 

From the Irish Times.

Dublin just erupted in rioting, looting, and arson after three children and two adults were stabbed outside a school. The Guardian, Al Jazeera, AP, and the BBC ran almost identical stories that left the reader baffled as to why a “right-wing” mob would spontaneously riot.

It takes some digging to discover what went unmentioned in the MSM: the unnamed, undescribed stabber with unclear motives is reportedly an older Algerian immigrant. The riot involved an attack and arson directed at a Holiday Inn the Irish government turned into immigrant housing near the stabbing site.

Even if the perception of the mob proves to be entirely wrong, the fact that this issue has many on a hair-trigger ought to be diagnostic.

The normals who reside in Western countries appear to be reaching a breaking point (see the Dutch election results yesterday) while the elites continue to double down on the destruction of their own nations out of a strange mix of ideology, narcissism, and class-malice, with cover provided by an unconscionably biased monolithic news media. This cannot end well.

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  1. Misthiocracy has never Member
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    “We need to look for the root cause except when the root cause is our idiot government.”

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  2. kedavis Coolidge
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    Or even simpler, “when the root cause is inconvenient.”

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  3. Jim George Member
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    Old Bathos: The normals who reside in Western countries appear to be reaching a breaking point (see the Dutch election results yesterday) while the elites continue to double down on destruction of their own nations out of a strange mix of ideology, narcissism and class malice with cover provided by an unconscionably biased monolithic news media. This cannot end well.

    I did a quick scan of some of the sources you cited along with a few others and while I do not claim my research was exhaustive- probably not even fair to call what I did research- it appeared to me that the “right wing ideology” comment was in one of the early statements by the Chief of Police and then simply copied by all the subsequent publications. I could not find a single piece of evidence that “right wing ideology” had anything to do with the initial stabbing incident and I also could not find any real description of the “hooligans” who started setting fires and injuring passersby after the initial incident. I did see one fairly recent video above which was the caption:

    Police urge public not to listen to ‘misinformation and rumour’

    Perhaps, and clearly I do not see any evidence to support the following, this is a sign that the officials are trying to “revise” those earlier reports. Also, we are left with no clarity as to whether the first reports were about the 40 year old Algerian immigrant who was in the inital stabbing incident or the following attacks by the “hooligans.” By the way, as someone who has recently been revisiting the horrible miscarriage of justice involving Derek Chauvin and the 2020 Minneapolis riots after the George Floyd death, the scenes from those riots and those from Dublin tonight are virtually indistinguishable. Does it make one a conspiracy theorist to wonder if the world is slowly but surely losing its mind? 

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  4. Jim George Member
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    Minneapolis? Chicago? Washington? Seattle “Summer of Love”? No – Dublin hours ago. 

     

    <p>A bus and car on fire in Dublin’s city centre after violent protests erupted following a stabbing attack</p>

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  5. Old Bathos Member
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    Jim George (View Comment):

    Old Bathos: The normals who reside in Western countries appear to be reaching a breaking point (see the Dutch election results yesterday) while the elites continue to double down on destruction of their own nations out of a strange mix of ideology, narcissism and class malice with cover provided by an unconscionably biased monolithic news media. This cannot end well.

    I did a quick scan of some of the sources you cited along with a few others and while I do not claim my research was exhaustive- probably not even fair to call what I did research- it appeared to me that the “right wing ideology” comment was in one of the early statements by the Chief of Police and then simply copied by all the subsequent publications. I could not find a single piece of evidence that “right wing ideology” had anything to do with the initial stabbing incident and I also could not find any real description of the “hooligans” who started setting fires and injuring passersby after the initial incident. I did see one fairly recent video above which was the caption:

    Police urge public not to listen to ‘misinformation and rumour’

    Perhaps, and clearly I do not see any evidence to support the following, this is a sign that the officials are trying to “revise” those earlier reports. Also, we are left with no clarity as to whether the first reports were about the 40 year old Algerian immigrant who was in the inital stabbing incident or the following attacks by the “hooligans.” By the way, as someone who has recently been revisiting the horrible miscarriage of justice involving Derek Chauvin and the 2020 Minneapolis riots after the George Floyd death, the scenes from those riots and those from Dublin tonight are virtually indistinguishable. Does it make one a conspiracy theorist to wonder if the world is slowly but surely losing its mind?

    1. I strongly suspect that if the attacker was a blue-eyed (“right-wing”) Irishman, his identity would have been disclosed right away.

    2. “Right-wing” is a standard epithet against anyone not thrilled with open borders. Some nativist leaders did make social media statements that were clearly effective in building the mob.

    3.  Once a large segment of the non-elite population believes the system actively inhibits their material and social progress and sees the police not as protectors but as instruments of the oppressors, bad outcomes accrue.  Marginalized men, under-or unemployed watching industry leave, communities decay and ungrateful illegals taking away what remains are unlikely to develop abiding loyalty to governments ruled by rich guys in Davos.

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  6. Arahant Member
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    Jim George (View Comment):
    Does it make one a conspiracy theorist to wonder if the world is slowly but surely losing its mind? 

    You would have to think the world was ever sane in the first place. This is human nature at its base level. The miracle is when things are ordered, when there is no looting, when there is no murder. We have found ways to bring order over the centuries. When governments forget and start ignoring those ways, people revert to base human nature.

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  7. JoelB Member
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    Who says the rioters are right-wing and why? This looks more like BLM than MAGA.

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  8. Arahant Member
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    JoelB (View Comment):

    Who says the rioters are right-wing and why? This looks more like BLM than MAGA.

    I don’t think either is terribly active in Dublin, although it does remind me of an old Irish joke about the Time of Troubles.

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  9. JoelB Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    JoelB (View Comment):

    Who says the rioters are right-wing and why? This looks more like BLM than MAGA.

    I don’t think either is terribly active in Dublin, although it does remind me of an old Irish joke about the Time of Troubles.

    Just using the two movements as examples of left & right. I don’t know what the nearest equivalents in Ireland would be. And what is the old Irish joke? You have aroused my curiosity now. Inquiring minds want to know. (Provided it can be explained within the COC, of course)

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  10. Al French Moderator
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    Perhaps @paddysiochain can shed some light. 

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  11. Arahant Member
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    JoelB (View Comment):
    And what is the old Irish joke?

    Back in the Time of Troubles, a man was walking through an Irish city and saw a group of men with guns and wearing balaclavas. He quickly ran down another street to get away from them, but they chased him and followed him as he ran a path zigzagging through trying  to get away. Finally, he turned down a street he didn’t know and wound up down a blind alley. He turned to see them come down the alley pointing guns at him.

    “What religion are you?” one of the armed men demanded.

    He hesitated. He knew that if he said Catholic and they were Protestants, he would be done for. On the other hand, if he said Protestant and they were Catholics, he would be done for. Well, necessity is the mother of invention, and he quickly devised a way out.

    “I’m Jewish!” he said.

    The masked men looked at each other before one said, “We must be the luckiest Palestinians in all Ireland!”

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  12. Al French Moderator
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    The Irish Times says the assailant was an immigrant who had lived in the country 20 years. The attack happened around noon, but the riots began in the evening. The implication is the riots are anti immigration protests. 

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/11/23/violence-erupts-in-dublin-city-after-stabbing-attack-targeting-young-children/

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  13. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Jim George (View Comment):

    Old Bathos: The normals who reside in Western countries appear to be reaching a breaking point (see the Dutch election results yesterday) while the elites continue to double down on destruction of their own nations out of a strange mix of ideology, narcissism and class malice with cover provided by an unconscionably biased monolithic news media. This cannot end well.

    I did a quick scan of some of the sources you cited along with a few others and while I do not claim my research was exhaustive- probably not even fair to call what I did research- it appeared to me that the “right wing ideology” comment was in one of the early statements by the Chief of Police and then simply copied by all the subsequent publications. I could not find a single piece of evidence that “right wing ideology” had anything to do with the initial stabbing incident and I also could not find any real description of the “hooligans” who started setting fires and injuring passersby after the initial incident. I did see one fairly recent video above which was the caption:

    Police urge public not to listen to ‘misinformation and rumour’

    Perhaps, and clearly I do not see any evidence to support the following, this is a sign that the officials are trying to “revise” those earlier reports. Also, we are left with no clarity as to whether the first reports were about the 40 year old Algerian immigrant who was in the inital stabbing incident or the following attacks by the “hooligans.” By the way, as someone who has recently been revisiting the horrible miscarriage of justice involving Derek Chauvin and the 2020 Minneapolis riots after the George Floyd death, the scenes from those riots and those from Dublin tonight are virtually indistinguishable. Does it make one a conspiracy theorist to wonder if the world is slowly but surely losing its mind?

    Mostly peaceful 

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  14. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    JoelB (View Comment):
    And what is the old Irish joke?

    Back in the Time of Troubles, a man was walking through an Irish city and saw a group of men with guns and wearing balaclavas. He quickly ran down another street to get away from them, but they chased him and followed him as he ran a path zigzagging through trying to get away. Finally, he turned down a street he didn’t know and wound up down a blind alley. He turned to see them come down the alley pointing guns at him.

    “What religion are you?” one of the armed men demanded.

    He hesitated. He knew that if he said Catholic and they were Protestants, he would be done for. On the other hand, if he said Protestant and they were Catholics, he would be done for. Well, necessity is the mother of invention, and he quickly devised a way out.

    “I’m Jewish!” he said.

    The masked men looked at each other before one said, “We must be the luckiest Palestinians in all Ireland!”

    The IRA and militant Palestinians have had close connections over the years. 

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  15. Arahant Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):
    The IRA and militant Palestinians have had close connections over the years. 

    Yes, and given the cause here, it is not as juxtapositional as it was in 1970’s when I first heard it.

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  16. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    Right-wing” is a standard epithet against anyone not thrilled with open borders.

    And anyone not thrilled with the aggressive sexualization of young children.

    And anyone not thrilled with a radically partisan “Justice” system.

    And anyone not thrilled with unchecked homelessness, drug use, and retail theft turning urban areas into third world dystopias. 

    A lot of formerly moderate people are funding themselves part of the “right-wing” without ever changing their political views. 

     

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    Right-wing” is a standard epithet against anyone not thrilled with open borders.

    And anyone not thrilled with the aggressive sexualization of young children.

    And anyone not thrilled with a radically partisan “Justice” system.

    And anyone not thrilled with unchecked homelessness, drug use, and retail theft turning urban areas into third world dystopias.

    A lot of formerly moderate people are funding themselves part of the “right-wing” without ever changing their political views.

     

    I hope they remember to vote that way.

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  18. Arahant Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    I hope they remember to vote that way.

    After they are personally mugged.

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  19. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    Jim George (View Comment):

    Old Bathos: The normals who reside in Western countries appear to be reaching a breaking point (see the Dutch election results yesterday) while the elites continue to double down on destruction of their own nations out of a strange mix of ideology, narcissism and class malice with cover provided by an unconscionably biased monolithic news media. This cannot end well.

    I did a quick scan of some of the sources you cited along with a few others and while I do not claim my research was exhaustive- probably not even fair to call what I did research- it appeared to me that the “right wing ideology” comment was in one of the early statements by the Chief of Police and then simply copied by all the subsequent publications. I could not find a single piece of evidence that “right wing ideology” had anything to do with the initial stabbing incident and I also could not find any real description of the “hooligans” who started setting fires and injuring passersby after the initial incident. I did see one fairly recent video above which was the caption:

    Police urge public not to listen to ‘misinformation and rumour’

    Perhaps, and clearly I do not see any evidence to support the following, this is a sign that the officials are trying to “revise” those earlier reports. Also, we are left with no clarity as to whether the first reports were about the 40 year old Algerian immigrant who was in the inital stabbing incident or the following attacks by the “hooligans.” By the way, as someone who has recently been revisiting the horrible miscarriage of justice involving Derek Chauvin and the 2020 Minneapolis riots after the George Floyd death, the scenes from those riots and those from Dublin tonight are virtually indistinguishable. Does it make one a conspiracy theorist to wonder if the world is slowly but surely losing its mind?

    “Do you read Sutter Kane”?*

    I’ve been mentally comparing the Woke mind virus to a Lovecraftian horror story for years, now.

     

     

    *For anybody who doesn’t know, its from an outstanding John Carpenter horror movie called In The Mouth of Madness.

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    I hope they remember to vote that way.

    After they are personally mugged.

    Hopefully without that, especially if they already moved to a red state/city where that’s far less likely to happen.

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  21. Kozak Member
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  22. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):
    The IRA and militant Palestinians have had close connections over the years. 

    Didn’t the IRA have access to training facilities in various Middle Eastern and North African countries, back in the 60’s? Not just in the Soviet Union?

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  23. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    Right-wing” is a standard epithet against anyone not thrilled with open borders.

    And anyone not thrilled with the aggressive sexualization of young children.

    And anyone not thrilled with a radically partisan “Justice” system.

    And anyone not thrilled with unchecked homelessness, drug use, and retail theft turning urban areas into third world dystopias.

    A lot of formerly moderate people are funding themselves part of the “right-wing” without ever changing their political views.

     

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  24. Old Bathos Member
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    The police chief called the rioters “right-wing” which the MSM happily echoed.

    There cannot be the use of “mostly peaceful” because it was not done by minorities nor in the name of a politically favored cause. (See, e.g.,  J6).  All Trump rallies, pro-life marches, NASCAR events or Catholic masses in Latin are instances of dangerous incipient violence even if violence never actually erupts.

    There is no European ruling/privileged class that hates its own culture and people more than that of Ireland.

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  25. Front Seat Cat Member
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    There are evil people behind the fueling of this “sudden eruption” of hate – right here at the Holy Season starting in October. I don’t believe it was natural and I don’t think it’s all the Palestinian issue either…….

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/hamas-terror-organization-charter-targets-christians-us-service-organizations

    https://www.axios.com/2023/11/19/turner-fbi-threats-us-hamas-attack

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/anti-israel-protests-borrow-playbook-social-justice-movements-experts

    Look at the above headlines and the pictures that go with it………….they are fueling FEAR

    Fear causes people to change their behavior – in the meantime, the WH is busy enacting changes that we are not noticing – example is the turning of major swaths of empty commercial buildings into housing for all these illegals…….our cities are turning into dung heaps – these flash mobs stealing and trashing stores – tent cities – this is not America…….or Dublin….

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  26. Manny Coolidge
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    Is Ireland even Ireland any more?  It is unrecognizable from the Ireland of 20 years ago. 

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  27. Miffed White Male Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    Right-wing” is a standard epithet against anyone not thrilled with open borders.

    And anyone not thrilled with the aggressive sexualization of young children.

    And anyone not thrilled with a radically partisan “Justice” system.

    And anyone not thrilled with unchecked homelessness, drug use, and retail theft turning urban areas into third world dystopias.

    A lot of formerly moderate people are funding themselves part of the “right-wing” without ever changing their political views.

     

    There was a meme a while back  – “I’m not a right wing extremist, I’m a normal person from ten years ago.”.

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  28. Miffed White Male Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    Right-wing” is a standard epithet against anyone not thrilled with open borders.

    And anyone not thrilled with the aggressive sexualization of young children.

    And anyone not thrilled with a radically partisan “Justice” system.

    And anyone not thrilled with unchecked homelessness, drug use, and retail theft turning urban areas into third world dystopias.

    A lot of formerly moderate people are funding themselves part of the “right-wing” without ever changing their political views.

     

    I hope they remember to vote that way.

    Spoiler alert – they won’t.

     

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    Right-wing” is a standard epithet against anyone not thrilled with open borders.

    And anyone not thrilled with the aggressive sexualization of young children.

    And anyone not thrilled with a radically partisan “Justice” system.

    And anyone not thrilled with unchecked homelessness, drug use, and retail theft turning urban areas into third world dystopias.

    A lot of formerly moderate people are funding themselves part of the “right-wing” without ever changing their political views.

     

    I realize the original point of that diagram was mostly to show the increased division, but doesn’t it also show that more of the right is farther to the right than the left is to the left?

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  30. Kozak Member
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):
    Right-wing” is a standard epithet against anyone not thrilled with open borders.

    And anyone not thrilled with the aggressive sexualization of young children.

    And anyone not thrilled with a radically partisan “Justice” system.

    And anyone not thrilled with unchecked homelessness, drug use, and retail theft turning urban areas into third world dystopias.

    A lot of formerly moderate people are funding themselves part of the “right-wing” without ever changing their political views.

    I love that graph.  Conservative median has barely moved to the right.

    But the left has moved its median like 3 standard deviations to the left.

    Guess who the Establishment media considers “extreme”?

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