Remember Sargon of Akkad? He’s Coming Back Around

 

Okay, it’s a single tweet, and I’ll still see him saying things that are a bit too “nuanced” for my taste.  But this is an important tweet, as these things go, from a man who rose to prominence during the post-9/11 moral clarity, then waffled off and got “respectable” after a grueling and unsuccessful run for office in the UK.  Guess what — after October 7, moral clarity is back on the menu, boys.

(“I’m starting to think that the far right, who want to defend their country and traditions, are actually the good guys, whereas the far left, who want to destroy the borders of every country, are actually the bad guys.”)

Remember the good old days of Mark Steyn, Christopher Hitchens, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Oriana Fallaci, Geert Wilders, and the Danish cartoons?  Salman Rushdie does.  And how he must have looked at those days the way I look at today.  With grief for the twenty years wasted on open borders, the ground lost, the anti-Western sentiment gained from both internal and external sources, the silencing of dissent, and the rise of naked oppression with hardly an obstacle.

The bad guys are winning.  As I post this, it is the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, here in my time zone.  Eleventh-hour, indeed.

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  1. JoelB Member
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    BDB: (“I’m starting to think that the far right, who want to defend their country and traditions, are actually the good guys, whereas the far left, who want to destroy the borders of every country, are actually the bad guys.”)

    Ya think?

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  2. Western Chauvinist Member
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    The appalling thing is how many Americans — some in relationship with us — will only vote for the bad guys because they believe it makes them the good guys. 

    The lies people believe about nearly every moral and social issue —

    That abortion is liberating for women rather than setting them up for sexual exploitation and leading them to scorn their reproductive faculty. . . 

    That the only pre-born babies deserving of protection are the ones who are wanted by their mother. . . 

    That the world we’re living in can and should exist without fossil fuels and the engines of prosperity they drive. . .

    That past suffering (frequently not one’s own) justifies every bad act right up to looting, rape, and murder. . .

    That children who’ve been infected with the trans-social contagion should be sterilized and mutilated at will. . .

    That the solution to gun violence is to disarm the law-abiding. . .

    . . .

    With that kind of track record of blood and destruction, you’d think it’d be obvious even to the simpler mind who the “baddies” are. I know this isn’t your thing, BDB, but I can only explain it by spiritual blindness. There are princes and principalities at work here that are not explicable by the material universe and evolution. How is civilizational destruction adaptive?

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  3. BDB Inactive
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    How is civilizational destruction adaptive?

    From the evo-bio perspective you’re politely introducing, a few points that I can think of:

    A) not every change is adaptive.  The fact is, the vast majority of changes are maladaptive, and this is the great filter which sieves improvement from randomness.  Yet adaptive is always only relevant for a particular place, time, circumstance.  That a thing may be adaptive later is a side-effect — that it be adaptive now is is the only criteria.

    B) not every adaptive change is adaptive for all who experience it.

    C) not all participants in this bridge tourney are drawing from the same deck.  A strain with weak civilizational impulse may develop stronger barbaric impulses.  Even abstract motivators such as time-horizon have established genetic components.

    Oh and there’s more:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2019/10/time-preferences-and-national-iq/

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  4. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Benjamin was/is not a good guy. Just someone was has opinions.  

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  5. BDB Inactive
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Benjamin was/is not a good guy. Just someone was has opinions.

    As I recall, he was a free-speecher who had a presumption that the West ws superior based on presumably its freer speech.  His assumption or something seemed to go out the window, and he got more morally relative about things, in my limited experience.  And now he’s rediscovering the basic fact that the west is objectively not just superior to, but better than the rest.

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  6. Saint Augustine Member
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    BDB: Guess what — after October 7, moral clarity is back on the menu, boys.

    Anyone up for making a ridiculous gif of the Orcs saying that?

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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    BDB: Guess what — after October 7, moral clarity is back on the menu, boys.

    Anyone up for making a ridiculous gif of the Orcs saying that?

    Doesn’t work.  Takes the analogy in incompatible directions.

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  8. Saint Augustine Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    BDB: Guess what — after October 7, moral clarity is back on the menu, boys.

    Anyone up for making a ridiculous gif of the Orcs saying that?

    Doesn’t work. Takes the analogy in incompatible directions.

    Yeah, that’s why it would make me laugh.

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  9. BDB Inactive
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    BDB: Guess what — after October 7, moral clarity is back on the menu, boys.

    Anyone up for making a ridiculous gif of the Orcs saying that?

    Doesn’t work. Takes the analogy in incompatible directions.

    Yeah, that’s why it would make me laugh.

    Looks like Saint Augustine is back on the menu, boys.

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  10. Saint Augustine Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    BDB: Guess what — after October 7, moral clarity is back on the menu, boys.

    Anyone up for making a ridiculous gif of the Orcs saying that?

    Doesn’t work. Takes the analogy in incompatible directions.

    Yeah, that’s why it would make me laugh.

    Looks like Saint Augustine is back on the menu, boys.

    Would still be kind of funny as a gif.

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  11. Michael Minnott Member
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    He goes into more detail in this interview with Auron MacIntyre.  It’s roughly an hour and a half, but still worth watching:

    https://www.youtube.com/live/7xoCpo5ekrI?si=MU301XwllnkOns67

     

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  12. The Reticulator Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Benjamin was/is not a good guy. Just someone was has opinions.

    The only Sargon of Akkad that I know of has been dead for quite a while.

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  13. TBA Coolidge
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    BDB: Guess what — after October 7, moral clarity is back on the menu, boys.

    Anyone up for making a ridiculous gif of the Orcs saying that?

    Doesn’t work. Takes the analogy in incompatible directions.

    Yeah, that’s why it would make me laugh.

    Looks like Saint Augustine is back on the menu, boys.

    Would still be kind of funny as a gif.

    ‘Looks Like Meat’s Back on the Menu, Boys’ will be the title of my pop management book of the month. The savvy leadership of the orc in simultaneously denying the uprising their leader and their choice of meat but providing them with lesser food is the sine qua non of leadership skills. That orc knew how to govern. 

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    TBA (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    BDB: Guess what — after October 7, moral clarity is back on the menu, boys.

    Anyone up for making a ridiculous gif of the Orcs saying that?

    Doesn’t work. Takes the analogy in incompatible directions.

    Yeah, that’s why it would make me laugh.

    Looks like Saint Augustine is back on the menu, boys.

    Would still be kind of funny as a gif.

    ‘Looks Like Meat’s Back on the Menu, Boys’ will be the title of my pop management book of the month. The savvy leadership of the orc in simultaneously denying the uprising their leader and their choice of meat but providing them with lesser food is the sine qua non of leadership skills. That orc knew how to govern.

    I’ve decided to break my management book into a series by taking each chapter singly and jamming it full of anecdotes I made up, “names changed to protect client confidentiality”.   That way, each chapter sells as its own book, and since the value of the original was zero, I’m not diluting anything.  Tee-Hee!

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  15. Michael G. Gallagher Coolidge
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    The bad guys are winning.  As I post this, it is the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, here in my time zone.  Eleventh-hour, indeed.

    BDB said, “The bad guys are winning.  As I post this, it is the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, here in my time zone.  Eleventh-hour, indeed.”

    Don’t give up the ship quite yet, BDB. George Washington pulled off his pivotal victory at Trenton on Christmas Day, 1776 with less than 3000 frozen, half-starved men. And with that small battle he reignited the rebel cause.

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  16. Saint Augustine Member
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    Michael G. Gallagher (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    The bad guys are winning. As I post this, it is the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, here in my time zone. Eleventh-hour, indeed.

    BDB said, “The bad guys are winning. As I post this, it is the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, here in my time zone. Eleventh-hour, indeed.”

    Don’t give up the ship quite yet, BDB. George Washington pulled off his pivotal victory at Trenton on Christmas Day, 1776 with less than 3000 frozen, half-starved men. And with that small battle he reignited the rebel cause.

    Close enough, eh, @bdb?

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  17. BDB Inactive
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    Michael G. Gallagher (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    The bad guys are winning. As I post this, it is the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, here in my time zone. Eleventh-hour, indeed.

    BDB said, “The bad guys are winning. As I post this, it is the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month, here in my time zone. Eleventh-hour, indeed.”

    Don’t give up the ship quite yet, BDB. George Washington pulled off his pivotal victory at Trenton on Christmas Day, 1776 with less than 3000 frozen, half-starved men. And with that small battle he reignited the rebel cause.

    I didn’t say to stop fighting.  Washington undertook such a ridiculous attack because he knew they were losing.  

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