Bibi: Don’t Be an Idiot!

 

I previously posted a proposal for Gaza: simply lay siege, allow all who want to live to walk out, and anyone who chooses death over surrender is welcome to die from dehydration or disease.

Since Israel has not yet taken my idea (or indeed, committed to any other!), there is still a window of opportunity that was minimize the loss of innocent life. But because of events that have happened since my original proposal, I want to adjust it as follows: Instead of setting up temporary housing in Israel for those who surrender (and have committed no acts of terror), Israel can use Gaza instead. It should be done in a few steps.

Here is how it works:

1: Gaza itself is about 25×6 miles in dimension. But the middle of Gaza is basically empty. So Israel starts by bisecting Gaza: cut it in half with the army, sealing off the North entirely.

Then Israel besieges the North. Cut off all power, food, water, and especially, communications. Stop all images, video, text… everything. All who want to live just need to go through a checkpoint from North to South, and pass a security check. Then they can go live temporarily in the bottom half of Gaza, while Israel waits for everyone in the North who chose not to surrender, to die.

2: Once the North has no living people left, Israel flips the script. It turns on power and water and food to the North. Israel besieges the South, allowing all who want to live to walk to the North. Same rules of engagement: the checkpoint(s) have strict rules and any violators are shot.

Israel then besieges the South, with as much Egyptian support as can be secured. Take as long as it takes, but do not send troops in except for hostage-release commandoes on a case-by-case basis.

This would end up ridding Gaza of Hamas. All who want to live can do so. And Israel does not have to send troops into urban hellscapes.

In all steps, Israel seeks to block absolutely all communications in and out of Gaza: without video and images, Hamas loses its most potent weapon.  Any journalists in a besieged part of Gaza are to be treated the same as anyone else. Walk out and live, or stay and die.

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Except I’m sure that “international pressure” would require Israel to build new housing for those who return to North Gaza after it gets flattened, and then in South Gaza after THAT gets flattened.

    Which I expect the Gazans would then destroy, as they’ve done before, and that would also somehow be Israel’s fault…

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  2. iWe Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Except I’m sure that “international pressure” would require Israel to build new housing for those who return to North Gaza after it gets flattened, and then in South Gaza after THAT gets flattened.

    Which I expect the Gazans would then destroy, as they’ve done before, and that would also somehow be Israel’s fault…

    No flattening needed. Israel has nothing against the buildings. This is part of the beauty of it: Israel does not have to do more harm to Gaza’s buildings or infrastructure.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    iWe (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Except I’m sure that “international pressure” would require Israel to build new housing for those who return to North Gaza after it gets flattened, and then in South Gaza after THAT gets flattened.

    Which I expect the Gazans would then destroy, as they’ve done before, and that would also somehow be Israel’s fault…

    No flattening needed. Israel has nothing against the buildings. This is part of the beauty of it: Israel does not have to do more harm to Gaza’s buildings or infrastructure.

    Well, the flattening has already begun, of course.

    I don’t know if the “besieging” idea would work, there are already lots of people who think Israel owes it to the Gazans to provide food and water etc, even as they’re being attacked.

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  4. cdor Member
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    KC is correct, I believe. Your plan, IWe, is great except it would take too long and as people started dying the international pressure on Israel would force an end to the siege before it was successful.

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  5. iWe Coolidge
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    cdor (View Comment):

    KC is correct, I believe. Your plan, IWe, is great except it would take too long and as people started dying the international pressure on Israel would force an end to the siege.

    That is why you cut comms. Jam all signals of all kinds. No data, less pressure.

    It astounds me that Israel has allowed comms so far.

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  6. cdor Member
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    iWe (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    KC is correct, I believe. Your plan, IWe, is great except it would take too long and as people started dying the international pressure on Israel would force an end to the siege.

    That is why you cut comms. Jam all signals of all kinds. No data, less pressure.

    I assume the Israelis control all of the coastal territory in Gaza from the sea, yes?

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  7. iWe Coolidge
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    cdor (View Comment):

    iWe (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    KC is correct, I believe. Your plan, IWe, is great except it would take too long and as people started dying the international pressure on Israel would force an end to the siege.

    That is why you cut comms. Jam all signals of all kinds. No data, less pressure.

    I assume the Israelis control all of the coastal territory in Gaza from the sea, yes?

    yes

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  8. Saint Augustine Member
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    iWe: 2: Once the North has no living people left, Israel flips the script. It turns on power and water and food to the North. Israel besieges the South, allowing all who want to live to walk to the North. Same rules of engagement: the checkpoint(s) have strict rules and any violators are shot. 

    Excellent. Right on. I really like this.

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  9. Locke On Member
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    iWe (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Except I’m sure that “international pressure” would require Israel to build new housing for those who return to North Gaza after it gets flattened, and then in South Gaza after THAT gets flattened.

    Which I expect the Gazans would then destroy, as they’ve done before, and that would also somehow be Israel’s fault…

    No flattening needed. Israel has nothing against the buildings. This is part of the beauty of it: Israel does not have to do more harm to Gaza’s buildings or infrastructure.

    There’s some open source commercial sat images floating around X. (Search Beit Hanoun). Parts of N. Gaza are already pretty flat (and I assume the utility infrastructure, such as it was, is also rather chewed up).

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  10. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Any plan for the hostages?   What if Hamas prevents people from leaving and effectively takes a million hostages?

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    I’m really not convinced that anyone who walks out wouldn’t just try again later.

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  12. TBA Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    I’m really not convinced that anyone who walks out wouldn’t just try again later.

    They would have to start out with new weapons and plans though. AND one could collect fingerprints and biometric data as a condition of passing through gates. And maybe install some cameras. 

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    TBA (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I’m really not convinced that anyone who walks out wouldn’t just try again later.

    They would have to start out with new weapons and plans though. AND one could collect fingerprints and biometric data as a condition of passing through gates. And maybe install some cameras.

    Well that wouldn’t really do much with the women, I think.  They just have more kids that you don’t have fingerprints of yet.

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  14. TBA Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I’m really not convinced that anyone who walks out wouldn’t just try again later.

    They would have to start out with new weapons and plans though. AND one could collect fingerprints and biometric data as a condition of passing through gates. And maybe install some cameras.

    Well that wouldn’t really do much with the women, I think. They just have more kids that you don’t have fingerprints of yet.

    It’s not a solution, it’s a chance at the best improvement since the Palestinians first started negatively impacting property values and insurance rates. 

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  15. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Any plan for the hostages? What if Hamas prevents people from leaving and effectively takes a million hostages?

    Well then it would seem difficult to believe that that 1,000,000 people would continue to support Hamas in any way, then or in the future.

     

    Then again, that 1,000,000 people have seen what Hamas has done to date and they still support them, so what do I know?

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  16. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    cdor (View Comment):

    KC is correct, I believe. Your plan, IWe, is great except it would take too long and as people started dying the international pressure on Israel would force an end to the siege before it was successful.

    As for international pressure, the Israelis could add a feature to their siege: any neighboring country who complains is invited to show up with a plane and rescue as many as they want. But you take ‘em, you keep ‘em. Otherwise, stfu.

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  17. iWe Coolidge
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    KC is correct, I believe. Your plan, IWe, is great except it would take too long and as people started dying the international pressure on Israel would force an end to the siege before it was successful.

    As for international pressure, the Israelis could add a feature to their siege: any neighboring country who complains is invited to show up with a plane and rescue as many as they want. But you take ‘em, you keep ‘em. Otherwise, stfu.

    This is genius. Absolutely!

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  18. Hugh Inactive
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    Nobody wants the Palestinians in their country since they know that they would never leave again since Israel isn’t going anywhere.

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    KC is correct, I believe. Your plan, IWe, is great except it would take too long and as people started dying the international pressure on Israel would force an end to the siege before it was successful.

    As for international pressure, the Israelis could add a feature to their siege: any neighboring country who complains is invited to show up with a plane and rescue as many as they want. But you take ‘em, you keep ‘em. Otherwise, stfu.

    But would those countries have any responsibility for those people in the future?  If not, if those people would be allowed to set up New Hamas wherever they end up, Israel shouldn’t allow it.  If those countries would be responsible, THEY wouldn’t want to do it.

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    iWe (View Comment):

    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    KC is correct, I believe. Your plan, IWe, is great except it would take too long and as people started dying the international pressure on Israel would force an end to the siege before it was successful.

    As for international pressure, the Israelis could add a feature to their siege: any neighboring country who complains is invited to show up with a plane and rescue as many as they want. But you take ‘em, you keep ‘em. Otherwise, stfu.

    This is genius. Absolutely!

    ibid.

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  21. Skyler Coolidge
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    But Gaza isn’t the source of the problems.  They are simply the proxy.  Any attempt to fix the problem by solely dealing with Gaza won’t work.

    It’s a good start, though.

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  22. No Caesar Thatcher
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    I like your plan in a vacuum.  However, it doesn’t account for the enemy getting a say in things.  The first half has a good chance for execution, but by the time the 2nd half was underway the “international” pressure from all the Jew-haters would be too great.  That’s why I say make the rubble bounce.  It’s crude, but effective. 

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  23. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    No Caesar (View Comment):
    I like your plan in a vacuum.

    I, too, have a peace plan. However, it only works for spherical Muslims in a vacuum.

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  24. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    No Caesar (View Comment):
    I like your plan in a vacuum.

    I, too, have a peace plan. However, it only works for spherical Muslims in a vacuum.

    There’s an image associated with this, too.

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  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    Globalitarian Misanthropist (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    No Caesar (View Comment):
    I like your plan in a vacuum.

    I, too, have a peace plan. However, it only works for spherical Muslims in a vacuum.

    There’s an image associated with this, too.

    The vacuum part does sound appealing…

     

    Oh, and:

     

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