Democrat Domestic Terror Campaign Paying Off

 

Look around at the seeming surge in head-scratcher verdicts, rulings, policy decisions.  I’ll use just one example:

The Coroner in the George Floyd trial, of course, testified that the cause of death was pressure on the neck.  I wonder how that would have turned out had the coroner been presented with the same body, but no media coverage and no rumors.  I suspect it would have been ruled cardiopulmonary failure in a chronically unhealthy drug abuser presently very high on a mixture of substances.

I further wonder what his conclusion would have been even given all the media and rumors, but absent the preceding years of race-political terrorism sweeping through neighborhoods, universities, capitals, fast-food drive-throughs, and so forth. I suspect it would have at least been hedged, even if he did decide that the televised knee was somehow discernable from evidence left on/in the body.

I don’t buy it for a moment, and I present Chauvin/Floyd as an edge case. From here, the cases just get easier. I do not think that there is a sudden surge in reporting of peculiar verdicts and judgments relative to the facts. I think that increasingly, favored defendants are being let go from a terrorized fear, and disfavored defendants are being banged up for the same reason, and with vengeance.

Those of us who have called Obama’s army in the streets a domestic terror campaign since #Occupy days are not surprised.

Spoiler:  Things get worse from here, not better.

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  1. Fritz Coolidge
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    So, I guess Ethan Liming committed suicide, then?

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  2. Mark Camp Member
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    Thanks, BDB.  Recognizing the problem is the first step in fixing it and you’ve correctly identified the problem.

    A lot of us are waiting for someone to identify the next step, which some of us will then take (and some of us will not, because we lack the courage or count the sacrifices as not worth it.)

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  3. BDB Inactive
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Thanks, BDB. Recognizing the problem is the first step in fixing it and you’ve correctly identified the problem.

    A lot of us are waiting for someone to identify the next step, which some of us will then take (and some of us will not, because we lack the courage or count the sacrifices as not worth it.)

    This is the most asymmetrical war.  Those who have the most expend those who have the least in order to dominate those who merely have some.  Only the last group can be ruined, v.t.

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  4. Mark Camp Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Thanks, BDB. Recognizing the problem is the first step in fixing it and you’ve correctly identified the problem.

    A lot of us are waiting for someone to identify the next step, which some of us will then take (and some of us will not, because we lack the courage or count the sacrifices as not worth it.)

    This is the most asymmetrical war. Those who have the most expend those who have the least in order to dominate those who merely have some. Only the last group can be ruined, v.t.

    I don’t follow this tonight, but after I sleep on it I should be able to.

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    BDB: The Coroner in the George Floyd trial of course testified that the cause of death was pressure on the neck.  I wonder how that would have turned out had the coroner been presented with the same body, but no media coverage and no rumors. 

    Wasn’t the original report more honest, and then got changed basically due to threats?

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    Fritz (View Comment):

    So, I guess Ethan Liming committed suicide, then?

    Probably the retired cop in Nevada did too.  Suicide by bicycle or something.

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  7. BDB Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    BDB: The Coroner in the George Floyd trial of course testified that the cause of death was pressure on the neck. I wonder how that would have turned out had the coroner been presented with the same body, but no media coverage and no rumors.

    Wasn’t the original report more honest, and then got changed basically due to threats?

    I don’t know. The first version that I saw had all the toxicology stuff, but listed as if boilerplate, mere formality.  

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  8. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    I continue to fear a sectarien civil war

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    BDB: The Coroner in the George Floyd trial of course testified that the cause of death was pressure on the neck. I wonder how that would have turned out had the coroner been presented with the same body, but no media coverage and no rumors.

    Wasn’t the original report more honest, and then got changed basically due to threats?

    I don’t know. The first version that I saw had all the toxicology stuff, but listed as if boilerplate, mere formality.

    Toxicology reports probably are boilerplate.  Makes sense when you think about it.  It’s just a recitation of test results, perhaps including some commentary 0n whether certain levels are deadly or not.

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  10. QuietPI Member
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    I know I saved the Floyd autopsy, can’t find it right now.  I do recall that the toxicology portions listed actual data, so the format may have been boilerplate, but the numbers not.  As I recall, the numbers were plenty high enough to cause death.  

    What I do remember clearly is that there were no indicators of strangulation, in the form of ruptured capillaries, especially in the eyes.  No competent coroner could miss that.  The knee may have been on his neck, but the knee couldn’t have been far enough forward to cut off the blood to his brain.  

    On the other hand, I did have a case where the victim died of multiple stab wounds to the torso.  The autopsy indicated that the victim had a fractured Sella turcica.  (Look it up and cry.)  Eventually it came out that the pathologist was a drug addict, and eventually got fired after he stole a Rolex watch from another murder victim.  So . . .

    Want the REALLY bad news?  He was hired by another county. 

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    QuietPI (View Comment):

    I know I saved the Floyd autopsy, can’t find it right now. I do recall that the toxicology portions listed actual data, so the format may have been boilerplate, but the numbers not. As I recall, the numbers were plenty high enough to cause death.

    What I do remember clearly is that there were no indicators of strangulation, in the form of ruptured capillaries, especially in the eyes. No competent coroner could miss that. The knee may have been on his neck, but the knee couldn’t have been far enough forward to cut off the blood to his brain.

    On the other hand, I did have a case where the victim died of multiple stab wounds to the torso. The autopsy indicated that the victim had a fractured Sella turcica. (Look it up and cry.) Eventually it came out that the pathologist was a drug addict, and eventually got fired after he stole a Rolex watch from another murder victim. So . . .

    Want the REALLY bad news? He was hired by another county.

    That’s nothing compared to the Chicago PD/Law And Order: SVU pathologist story.

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  12. BDB Inactive
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    QuietPI (View Comment):

    I know I saved the Floyd autopsy, can’t find it right now. I do recall that the toxicology portions listed actual data, so the format may have been boilerplate, but the numbers not. As I recall, the numbers were plenty high enough to cause death.

    What I do remember clearly is that there were no indicators of strangulation, in the form of ruptured capillaries, especially in the eyes. No competent coroner could miss that. The knee may have been on his neck, but the knee couldn’t have been far enough forward to cut off the blood to his brain.

    Right.  The plain as day facts were largely ignored (that is, listed and dismissed), and the magical conclusion just happened to match what was seen on TV.  If the Coroner is going to include television reports in his conclusion, he should list them.

    Derek Chauvin is in prison today because the left’s domestic terrorism game is much better than the right’s.

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  13. Raxxalan Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I continue to fear a sectarien civil war

    Yep, the democrats are trying to turn the US into Yugoslavia and I think they may be very close to succeeding. 

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  14. Red Herring Coolidge
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    At least blue cities are the primary victims of their own illness.

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  15. Bishop Wash Member
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    BDB: I wonder how that would have turned out had the coroner been presented with the same body, but no media coverage and no rumors.

    As a tangent, this is Adam Carolla’s idea for video replay decisions in the NFL. Bring out a referee who hasn’t been watching the game, show him the play, and have him make a ruling. Don’t give him knowledge of the existing call and see what conclusion he comes to.

    BDB: Those of us who have called Obama’s army in the streets a domestic terror campaign since #Occupy days are not surprised.

    For the history doesn’t repeat itself, but it rhymes corner, we aren’t at the point of the 1960s and 70s with a lot of domestic bombings (some carried out by Obama mentor Bill Ayers). However, there is a lot of violence in the streets of major cities, which seems to be controllable at some level. Biden’s Summer of Love in 2020 appeared to wane in late October, so maybe there was some ability to control it close to election day.

    Cities boarded up windows of businesses the week before election day in 2020, expecting riots depending on the result. Of course nothing happened, because the ‘correct’ outcome occurred. Obama’s army would have been ready though.

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  16. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    BDB: I wonder how that would have turned out had the coroner been presented with the same body, but no media coverage and no rumors.

    As a tangent, this is Adam Carolla’s idea for video replay decisions in the NFL. Bring out a referee who hasn’t been watching the game, show him the play, and have him make a ruling. Don’t give him knowledge of the existing call and see what conclusion he comes to.

    BDB: Those of us who have called Obama’s army in the streets a domestic terror campaign since #Occupy days are not surprised.

    For the history doesn’t repeat itself, but it rhymes corner, we aren’t at the point of the 1960s and 70s with a lot of domestic bombings (some carried out by Obama mentor Bill Ayers). However, there is a lot of violence in the streets of major cities, which seems to be controllable at some level. Biden’s Summer of Love in 2020 appeared to wane in late October, so maybe there was some ability to control it close to election day.

    Cities boarded up windows of businesses the week before election day in 2020, expecting riots depending on the result. Of course nothing happened, because the ‘correct’ outcome occurred. Obama’s army would have been ready though.

    We know that. They know that. All the rest is theater for the gullible.

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  17. Jim George Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    BDB: The Coroner in the George Floyd trial of course testified that the cause of death was pressure on the neck. I wonder how that would have turned out had the coroner been presented with the same body, but no media coverage and no rumors.

    Wasn’t the original report more honest, and then got changed basically due to threats?

    I don’t know. The first version that I saw had all the toxicology stuff, but listed as if boilerplate, mere formality.

    I discussed this at some length in my post “George Floyd’s Death Was A Tragedy, Because All Lives Matter. It Was Not A Homicide.”, here. Here is an excerpt:

    “The autopsy report, analyzed meticulously and brilliantly by @arizonapatriot in his post of July 6, 2020, was discussed with two representatives of the Hennepin County Attorney’s Office on May 26, which meeting was memorialized in the following memo, making it crystal clear that as of the night of the arrest incident, there was no physical evidence suggesting that Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation:

    On May 26, 2020, Patrick Lofton and Amy Sweasy met with Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker (AB) over Microsoft Teams. Also present in the MS Teams meeting were SAIC Scott Mueller and SA Mike Phill from the BCA and FBI Agents Hoffstetter, Rainer, Kane, and Melcher.
    AB explained his findings from the autopsy of George Floyd. He stated that his final report
    is not complete and that he must review more evidence, including video evidence, and toxicology
    results before releasing a final opinion.
    The autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting that Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation. Mr. Floyd did not exhibit signs of petechiae, damage to his airways or thyroid, brain bleeding, bone
    injuries, or internal bruising. Mr. Floyd had several external injuries, including laceration to his lip and bruising on his left shoulder and face. He also had abrasions on his fingers and knuckles as well as wrist injuries
    likely associated with being handcuffed. Mr. Floyd had preexisting health conditions including heavy heart and some coronary artery disease, including at least one artery that was approximately 75% blocked.
    AB sent Mr. Floyd’s blood samples to NMS Labs, who will provide full toxicology report.
    AB opined that he does not have full context for Mr. Floyd’s death without reviewing more of
    the evidence. He specifically avoided watching any videos associated with the case to avoid
    bias during the autopsy.”

    All the reports along with quotes from experts in the field such as George Parry, a former federal and state prosecutor, are in my post. While you can read it for yourself, he thought all the inconistencies in the various reports “drove a stake in our murder case” and that there was no way they could get a conviction. 

    However, the jury proved, once again, the sheer power of “The Madness of Crowds”! 

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  18. Jim George Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I continue to fear a sectarien civil war

    Are we not seeing the leading edges of it in the big Democrat cities, like the scenes in Philadelphia last night?

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  19. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    At least blue cities are the primary victims of their own illness.

    For the time being.  

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  20. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    It’s been a long time since I looked at the Floyd autopsy.  I think that I did a detailed post at the time.  I generally recall the following.

    There was no physical evidence of pressure to the neck or upper back, no bruising or the like.  There was serious occlusion of a couple of coronary arteries.  The lungs were unusually heavy, filled with fluid.  (This is a symptom of fentanyl overdose.)  There was a level of fentanyl in the lethal range.

    I could not see any way that an honest medical examiner could rule out death by fentanyl overdose.

    Floyd was also reportedly exhibiting symptoms of such overdose at the scene, including foaming at the mouth, before he was on the ground and being held down.

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  21. Jim George Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    It’s been a long time since I looked at the Floyd autopsy. I think that I did a detailed post at the time. I generally recall the following.

    There was no physical evidence of pressure to the neck or upper back, no bruising or the like. There was serious occlusion of a couple of coronary arteries. The lungs were unusually heavy, filled with fluid. (This is a symptom of fentanyl overdose.) There was a level of fentanyl in the lethal range.

    I could not see any way that an honest medical examiner could rule out death by fentanyl overdose.

    Floyd was also reportedly exhibiting symptoms of such overdose at the scene, including foaming at the mouth, before he was on the ground and being held down.

    Not to quote myself, but the George Floyd death was a lot of things but it was never, and should never have been held to be, a homicide by a jury of Derek Chauvin’s “peers” who were scared to death of their and their families’ physical safety, affirmed by a trial judge who took an oath to be a fair and objective arbiter but who was baricaded within the walls of his “quiet and dignified sanctuary” of a Courthouse, and affirmed by a Court of Appeal who took a similar oath. 

    A dastardly blight upon our American system of justice which, if lost, will spell the end of the greatest experiment in self government in the known history of man. 

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  22. BDB Inactive
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    Too late for me to add to the OP, but I do want to call attention to magnificent posts which prefigure this one, as the Chauvin et al trials were just spinning up.

    @arizonapatriot did some great shovel-work, and produced a definitive rundown of the cause-of-death shenanigans for George Floyd.  Spoiler, but he died of a Fentanyl overdose and not knee compression of the neck or anything similar.  That post is worth reading in its entirety — I wish that I had acquainted myself with it before I wrote this one.

    @jimgeorge then incorporated Jerry’s analysis into his own commentary, and among other things, predicted exactly what this post (mine) observes.  Jim sets the miserable events in context and lights the inevitable way — here we are.

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  23. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    If I recall correctly the original report from the medical examiner did not list Floyd’s death as a homicide. I don’t believe asphyxiation from neck pressure was listed as the cause of death. The Hennepin county ME got a call from a (former?) DC medical examiner with close ties to Obama and then changed the nature of the death to homicide.That whole situation was manipulated by the Obama machine. Gaslighting taken to a whole new level.

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    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    If I recall correctly the original report from the medical examiner did not list Floyd’s death as a homicide. I don’t believe asphyxiation from neck pressure was listed as the cause of death. The Hennepin county ME got a call from a (former?) DC medical examiner with close ties to Obama and then changed the nature of the death to homicide.That whole situation was manipulated by the Obama machine. Gaslighting taken to a whole new level.

    Beyond my knowledge.  Would greatly appreciate links to the dope.  

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  25. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    If I recall correctly the original report from the medical examiner did not list Floyd’s death as a homicide. I don’t believe asphyxiation from neck pressure was listed as the cause of death. The Hennepin county ME got a call from a (former?) DC medical examiner with close ties to Obama and then changed the nature of the death to homicide.That whole situation was manipulated by the Obama machine. Gaslighting taken to a whole new level.

    Beyond my knowledge. Would greatly appreciate links to the dope.

    The attorneys for Tou Thoa, in his trial, placed a motion regarding coercion by Dr. Roger Mitchell, a forensic pathologist, now I believe chairman of pathology at Howard Univesity. According to the motion, Ropger Mitchell spoke with Baker and threatened to publish a critical op ed in the WaPo if he did not include neck compression in his autopsy report which Baker indicated was not found on the autopsy. 

    Baker thereafter changed his report and Mitchell did not publish the op ed according to the motion. Which I believe recounts the facts as they occurred. 

    Roger Mitchell is a former chief medical examiner for Washington, DC.

    I’m sorry, but I am inept with links, can’t seem to get them to work. But you can google Roger Mitchell, MD, George Floyd, and find posts about these incidents.  

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  26. Jim George Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    If I recall correctly the original report from the medical examiner did not list Floyd’s death as a homicide. I don’t believe asphyxiation from neck pressure was listed as the cause of death. The Hennepin county ME got a call from a (former?) DC medical examiner with close ties to Obama and then changed the nature of the death to homicide.That whole situation was manipulated by the Obama machine. Gaslighting taken to a whole new level.

    Beyond my knowledge. Would greatly appreciate links to the dope.

    See my post with links in #17. 

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  27. Jim George Member
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    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    If I recall correctly the original report from the medical examiner did not list Floyd’s death as a homicide. I don’t believe asphyxiation from neck pressure was listed as the cause of death. The Hennepin county ME got a call from a (former?) DC medical examiner with close ties to Obama and then changed the nature of the death to homicide.That whole situation was manipulated by the Obama machine. Gaslighting taken to a whole new level.

    Beyond my knowledge. Would greatly appreciate links to the dope.

    The attorneys for Tou Thoa, in his trial, placed a motion regarding coercion by Dr. Roger Mitchell, a forensic pathologist, now I believe chairman of pathology at Howard Univesity. According to the motion, Ropger Mitchell spoke with Baker and threatened to publish a critical op ed in the WaPo if he did not include neck compression in his autopsy report which Baker indicated was not found on the autopsy.

    Baker thereafter changed his report and Mitchell did not publish the op ed according to the motion. Which I believe recounts the facts as they occurred.

    Roger Mitchell is a former chief medical examiner for Washington, DC.

    I’m sorry, but I am inept with links, can’t seem to get them to work. But you can google Roger Mitchell, MD, George Floyd, and find posts about these incidents.

    See #17 and the links contained in my post of Summer 2020. 

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  28. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    Jim George (View Comment):

    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    If I recall correctly the original report from the medical examiner did not list Floyd’s death as a homicide. I don’t believe asphyxiation from neck pressure was listed as the cause of death. The Hennepin county ME got a call from a (former?) DC medical examiner with close ties to Obama and then changed the nature of the death to homicide.That whole situation was manipulated by the Obama machine. Gaslighting taken to a whole new level.

    Beyond my knowledge. Would greatly appreciate links to the dope.

    The attorneys for Tou Thoa, in his trial, placed a motion regarding coercion by Dr. Roger Mitchell, a forensic pathologist, now I believe chairman of pathology at Howard Univesity. According to the motion, Ropger Mitchell spoke with Baker and threatened to publish a critical op ed in the WaPo if he did not include neck compression in his autopsy report which Baker indicated was not found on the autopsy.

    Baker thereafter changed his report and Mitchell did not publish the op ed according to the motion. Which I believe recounts the facts as they occurred.

    Roger Mitchell is a former chief medical examiner for Washington, DC.

    I’m sorry, but I am inept with links, can’t seem to get them to work. But you can google Roger Mitchell, MD, George Floyd, and find posts about these incidents.

    See #17 and the links contained in my post of Summer 2020.

    Thanks!

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