How to Deal with New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham

 

New Mexico’s governor, Michelle Lujan Grisham, has suspended the Second Amendment by banning concealed and open carry in New Mexico through executive order due to a “Health Emergency.” She justified her action: “No constitutional right, in my view, including my oath, is intended to be absolute. There are restrictions on free speech. There are restrictions on my freedoms.”

Therein lies the solution to this type of overreach.

Some governmental body in New Mexico needs to enact a law convicting Lujan Grisham of “crimes against the Constitution” and sentencing her to jail within the community. No trial because no constitutional right is intended to be absolute. Since she presents a clear and present danger to rule of law, that justifies ignoring Constitutional provisions in other articles in the Bill of Rights. Further state that if she enters their jurisdiction, they will arrest and jail her.

If it is pointed out this violates all sorts of provisions of the US and New Mexico Constitutions, they should then state that they are just following the Lujan Grisham principal: “No constitutional right, in my view, including my oath, is intended to be absolute. There are restrictions on free speech. There are restrictions on my freedoms.”

They are just restricting her freedom in the same manner as she has restricted the freedoms of the citizens of New Mexico. Of course, if she admits that no one, including herself, can arbitrarily limit the freedom of others by ignoring the Constitution (and withdraws the Emergency Order), they will admit they have gone beyond their authority in ordering her arrest, and void their new law. Otherwise? Game on, governor. We are going to play by your rules.

No one will actually do this; more’s the pity. Because if some group did, it would stop this kind of horse pucky. Arbitrary rule is all fun and games as long as you are the one being arbitrary and it doesn’t come back to bite you.

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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  2. namlliT noD Member
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  3. Seawriter Contributor
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Yeah, but this way the hamlet of Bad Water New Mexico can put her in the slammer. Laws? The governor herself said we don’t need no steenkin’ laws if the emergency is great enough. If she can violate the law in such a cavalier manner every governmental organization in New Mexico can – according to her own words.

    It’s a great way to mock her pretentions by putting some steel in the mockery.

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  4. DrewInWisconsin, Œuf Member
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    Seawriter: No one will actually do this, more’s the pity. Because if some group did this it would stop this kind of horse pucky.

    Republicans will save us!  ( :: laughs ruefully :: ) 

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  5. Seawriter Contributor
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    DrewInWisconsin, Œuf (View Comment):

    Seawriter: No one will actually do this, more’s the pity. Because if some group did this it would stop this kind of horse pucky.

    Republicans will save us! ( :: laughs ruefully :: )

    They won’t. But all it takes is one small town city council willing to do this. I can think of several in Texas that would do it for grins.

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  6. BDB Inactive
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    Too bad Stefani Lord of the unspecified degree doesn’t know the diference between populous and populace.

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  7. BDB Inactive
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    WTAF?

    “No constitutional right, in my view, including my oath, is intended to be absolute. There are restrictions on free speech. There are restrictions on my freedoms.”

    There are two terrible non sequiturs on here. 

    1. The inclusion of “including my oath” makes no sense.  Grammatically, “oath” would be an instance of either a right or a view — it is neither.
    2. “… restrictions on my freedoms,” does not compute here.  Governments and government officials do not have rights in the performance of their duties — they just have duties and powers.  Those are not rights, not freedoms.  They may as people within government have some rights regarding their employment, but nothing done within the scope of their job is as the exercise of a right or a freedom.

    This jumbled-up thinking is how we get here.  And this is a bad place.

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  8. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    What’s the phrase- impeach, remove, bar from office?

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  9. Arahant Member
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    Sic semper tyrannis!

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  10. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Yeah, but this way the hamlet of Bad Water New Mexico can put her in the slammer. Laws? The governor herself said we don’t need no steenkin’ laws if the emergency is great enough. If she can violate the law in such a cavalier manner every governmental organization in New Mexico can – according to her own words.

    It’s a great way to mock her pretentions by putting some steel in the mockery.

    Michigan has a similar governor.  

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  11. BDB Inactive
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    Deranged Lunatic Jonah Goldberg’s take:

    I think this is outrageous. She should lose her job. I should also note that however much a state governor should uphold the Constitution, federal officers have an even more obvious and direct duty. And yet a lot of the folks venting about this defiance of the Constitution are pretty frick’n blasé about Trump & Co’s disregard for it.

    The Constitution is one document. You can’t be righteous about one clause and not give a rat’s ass about the others.

    And you can’t be outraged when the other team has contempt for the Constitution but totally cool with your team’s contempt for it.

    I mean, yeah, technically you *can* be a totally inconsistent hack and hypocrite. But when you do these things, you’re telling the world that’s exactly what you are.

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  12. Michael Minnott Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Deranged Lunatic Jonah Goldberg’s take:

    “I think this is outrageous. She should lose her job. I should also note that however much a state governor should uphold the Constitution, federal officers have an even more obvious and direct duty. And yet a lot of the folks venting about this defiance of the Constitution are pretty frick’n blasé about Trump & Co’s disregard for it.

    The Constitution is one document. You can’t be righteous about one clause and not give a rat’s ass about the others.

    And you can’t be outraged when the other team has contempt for the Constitution but totally cool with your team’s contempt for it.

    I mean, yeah, technically you *can* be a totally inconsistent hack and hypocrite. But when you do these things, you’re telling the world that’s exactly what you are.“

    Gee Jonah, isn’t that “whataboutism”?

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  13. Saint Augustine Member
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    Michael Minnott (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Deranged Lunatic Jonah Goldberg’s take:

     

    “I think this is outrageous. She should lose her job. I should also note that however much a state governor should uphold the Constitution, federal officers have an even more obvious and direct duty. And yet a lot of the folks venting about this defiance of the Constitution are pretty frick’n blasé about Trump & Co’s disregard for it.

    The Constitution is one document. You can’t be righteous about one clause and not give a rat’s ass about the others.

    And you can’t be outraged when the other team has contempt for the Constitution but totally cool with your team’s contempt for it.

    I mean, yeah, technically you *can* be a totally inconsistent hack and hypocrite. But when you do these things, you’re telling the world that’s exactly what you are.“

    Gee Jonah, isn’t that “whataboutism”?

    And which clause exactly was it that Trump defied?

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  14. kedavis Coolidge
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Michael Minnott (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Deranged Lunatic Jonah Goldberg’s take:

     

    “I think this is outrageous. She should lose her job. I should also note that however much a state governor should uphold the Constitution, federal officers have an even more obvious and direct duty. And yet a lot of the folks venting about this defiance of the Constitution are pretty frick’n blasé about Trump & Co’s disregard for it.

    The Constitution is one document. You can’t be righteous about one clause and not give a rat’s ass about the others.

    And you can’t be outraged when the other team has contempt for the Constitution but totally cool with your team’s contempt for it.

    I mean, yeah, technically you *can* be a totally inconsistent hack and hypocrite. But when you do these things, you’re telling the world that’s exactly what you are.“

    Gee Jonah, isn’t that “whataboutism”?

    And which clause exactly was it that Trump defied?

    Article 19913, the “Jonah Knows Best” clause.

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  15. BDB Inactive
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Michael Minnott (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Deranged Lunatic Jonah Goldberg’s take:

     

    “I think this is outrageous. She should lose her job. I should also note that however much a state governor should uphold the Constitution, federal officers have an even more obvious and direct duty. And yet a lot of the folks venting about this defiance of the Constitution are pretty frick’n blasé about Trump & Co’s disregard for it.

    The Constitution is one document. You can’t be righteous about one clause and not give a rat’s ass about the others.

    And you can’t be outraged when the other team has contempt for the Constitution but totally cool with your team’s contempt for it.

    I mean, yeah, technically you *can* be a totally inconsistent hack and hypocrite. But when you do these things, you’re telling the world that’s exactly what you are.“

    Gee Jonah, isn’t that “whataboutism”?

    And which clause exactly was it that Trump defied?

    [shrieking] All of them!!1!!1

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  16. Mark Camp Member
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    Seawriter: needs to enact a law convicting

    Suggested edit: reword this phrase, the part about a law convicting.

    –ED

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  17. Full Size Tabby Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Yeah, but this way the hamlet of Bad Water New Mexico can put her in the slammer. Laws? The governor herself said we don’t need no steenkin’ laws if the emergency is great enough. If she can violate the law in such a cavalier manner every governmental organization in New Mexico can – according to her own words.

    It’s a great way to mock her pretentions by putting some steel in the mockery.

    Michigan has a similar governor.

    During peak Covid Gov. Grisham of New Mexico was desperately competing with Gov. Whitmer of Michigan to be the most tyrannical female governor in the United States. [Neither had any hope of competing for overall most tyrannical governor as long as Gov. Newsom of California and Gov. Cuomo of New York had grips on two of the country’s largest states.] But Gov. Grisham could never get the “credit” she sought. Michigan has a significantly larger population and a larger economy, Michigan is geographically closer to the NY-DC myopic media, and Gov. Whitmer had better public relations connections in the national Democratic party. So we all remember Gov. Whitmer as the tyrant, and forget that Gov. Grisham imposed significant restrictions on basic civil liberties. 

    I wonder if Gov. Grisham doesn’t still hold some resentment that she did not get enough credit for being a “tough governor” during Covid. 

    So it looks like with the gun issue Gov. Grisham has found an issue on which to hoist her tyrant bona fides. 

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  18. TBA Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Deranged Lunatic Jonah Goldberg’s take:

    “I think this is outrageous. She should lose her job. I should also note that however much a state governor should uphold the Constitution, federal officers have an even more obvious and direct duty. And yet a lot of the folks venting about this defiance of the Constitution are pretty frick’n blasé about Trump & Co’s disregard for it.

    The Constitution is one document. You can’t be righteous about one clause and not give a rat’s ass about the others.

    And you can’t be outraged when the other team has contempt for the Constitution but totally cool with your team’s contempt for it.

    I mean, yeah, technically you *can* be a totally inconsistent hack and hypocrite. But when you do these things, you’re telling the world that’s exactly what you are.“

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  19. David Carroll Thatcher
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    Seawriter: Some governmental body in New Mexico needs to enact a law convicting Lujan Grisham of “crimes against the Constitution” and sentencing her to jail within the community.

    We have a criminal statute, 18 USC 242 (Deprivation of Civil Rights under Color of Law) , but no federal prosecutor ever uses it as far as I can tell.   Under the current criminal enterprise known as the Department of Justice, it would only be used against Republicans anyway.

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  20. Richard Easton Coolidge
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  21. David Carroll Thatcher
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Seawriter: needs to enact a law convicting

    Suggested edit: reword this phrase, the part about a law convicting.

    –ED

    I think Seawriter is actually suggesting an unconstitutional Bill of Attainder against the person who is herself acting unconstitutionally.  Not a good idea, but I can sympathize with the emotion.

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  22. DrewInWisconsin, Œuf Member
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    Oh, my lord. For Jonah, everything is ultimately about Trump, and those Trump voters he hates. 

    Someone who loves him needs to stage an intervention. Does anyone love him?

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  23. David Carroll Thatcher
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    Article II, Section 6 of the New Mexico Constitution:

    Sec. 6. [Right to bear arms.]

    No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms. (As amended November 2, 1971 and November 2, 1986.)

     

    As for concealed weapons, Article II, Section 1, recognizes the United States Constitution as the supreme law of the land.

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  24. Concretevol Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin, Œuf (View Comment):

    Oh, my lord. For Jonah, everything is ultimately about Trump, and those Trump voters he hates.

    Someone who loves him needs to stage an intervention. Does anyone love him?

    You not liking him doesn’t make his point wrong.  Maybe that’s what you don’t like?

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  25. Concretevol Thatcher
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    This is outrageous…..seems like the calls for impeachment and hopefully removal are the appropriate response right?  This is a political maneuver and a seemingly obvious dereliction of her duties as governor.  Seems pretty plain that her use of an emergency executive order was inspired by the precedent of totalitarian tendencies of state governments during covid lockdowns ect…

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  26. David Carroll Thatcher
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    Concretevol (View Comment):

    This is outrageous…..seems like the calls for impeachment and hopefully removal are the appropriate response right? This is a political maneuver and a seemingly obvious dereliction of her duties as governor. Seems pretty plain that her use of an emergency executive order was inspired by the precedent of totalitarian tendencies of state governments during covid lockdowns ect…

    I would be surprised if the US District Court Judge waited until Tuesday to issue a restraining order (2 lawsuits filed over the weekend).

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  27. Seawriter Contributor
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    David Carroll (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Seawriter: needs to enact a law convicting

    Suggested edit: reword this phrase, the part about a law convicting.

    –ED

    I think Seawriter is actually suggesting an unconstitutional Bill of Attainder against the person who is herself acting unconstitutionally. Not a good idea, but I can sympathize with the emotion.

    That it is a Bill of Attainter is the point. It is to demonstrate you cannot take the Constitution a la carte. If you can legally ignore one part someone else can ignore what they want to ignore. 

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  28. BDB Inactive
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    Concretevol (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Œuf (View Comment):

    Oh, my lord. For Jonah, everything is ultimately about Trump, and those Trump voters he hates.

    Someone who loves him needs to stage an intervention. Does anyone love him?

    You not liking him doesn’t make his point wrong. Maybe that’s what you don’t like?

    Right on time.  Sad!

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  29. cdor Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Œuf (View Comment):

    Seawriter: No one will actually do this, more’s the pity. Because if some group did this it would stop this kind of horse pucky.

    Republicans will save us! ( :: laughs ruefully :: )

    There are currently 45 Democrats, 25 Republicans, and Others in the House of Representatives.

     

    There are currently 27 Democrats, 14 Republicans, and Others in the Senate.

    Those were the 2022 numbers. Impeachment is beyond unlikely.

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  30. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Concretevol (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Œuf (View Comment):

    Oh, my lord. For Jonah, everything is ultimately about Trump, and those Trump voters he hates.

    Someone who loves him needs to stage an intervention. Does anyone love him?

    You not liking him doesn’t make his point wrong. Maybe that’s what you don’t like?

    But it also does not necessarily make him right.

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