Close Your Eyes and Think of America

 

If the Republican Party is not “ride, or die” with Donald Trump in this hour, it is the end of any shred of a claim to be the law and order party, the constitutional party, the federal republic party, or the civil rights party. The Democrats think they have created what Scott Adams describes as the “two-way win”: Republicans dump Trump, they win; Republicans don’t dump Trump, they win. Only the first of those is absolutely true, but the second one is also if Republicans do not “turn as one.”

No one expects unity behind Trump, the man. But it is critical to unify behind Trump, the everyman. The Republican Party must adopt the Trump meme, above. Trump is not the target, but our constitutional rights are. But, you say, “Trump is unworthy!” I respond, “So what?!” Safeguarding the rights of good people is easy; safeguarding the rights of all is hard. As soon as you accept that it is okay to deny someone equal protection of law, no one is safe.

William Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”

Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”

William Roper: “Yes, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!”

Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!”

― Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons: A Play in Two Acts

This is a test. It is a great and difficult test. The title to this post is a formulation of the famous expression, “close your eyes and think of England.” It was an admonition to take on an unpleasant task (for some) to ensure the future of the nation. The original statement came from a lady’s diary that I will not quote and which was more explicit, but you can look it up.

Am I overstating the case? I don’t think so. Read a couple of commentaries on Powerline here and here. We are nation run by the most lawless group in our nation’s history. Every Republican candidate other than Trump should suspend their campaigns in solidarity.  If that is not their inclination, if that is something that their major donors resist, that should tell you something about these people’s dedication to the rule of law. Rhetoric is not enough. It is a time for action.

Watch and see who does what. You might say, “Why doesn’t Trump do the right thing and remove himself as a distraction?” It is too late for that. Trump adopted the role of symbol, and has suffered mightily for it. The Democrats have embraced him as that symbol and continue to attack. If Trump removes himself now, the furies will be even more bold and simply expand the target list.

Close your eyes and think of America.

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  1. HeavyWater Inactive
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    “The compulsion to defend anything and everything Trump does and then claim we live in a lawless banana republic whenever the system tries to hold him accountable is a celebration of lawlessness and banana republic politics.”

    Jonah Goldberg.  

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  2. Rodin Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    “The compulsion to defend anything and everything Trump does and then claim we live in a lawless banana republic whenever the system tries to hold him accountable is a celebration of lawlessness and banana republic politics.”

    Jonah Goldberg.

    That’s certainly a point of view. But trotting out a committed Never Trumper quote to justify your critique does not move the ball in the debate, it is simply deepening the trenches. 

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  3. The Reticulator Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    Trump is not above the law and maybe these charges brought against Trump will reinforce this principle.  

    Not a chance that it would reinforce that principle. It would only reinforce the principle that Republicans should be prosecuted.  

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  4. Skyler Coolidge
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    I disagree.

    Trump or someone else is fine with me.  We need to show that we are not a cult of personality.  That no matter who is nominated, we will elect him.  If you destroy our frontispiece, then we have another.  We are all charging the enemy machine gun nest, we expect the leader to get cut down, but they can’t get us all.  No matter who is in front, we are all on the same team.

    You know why radical Islam has survived?  Because, among many reasons, our military and government treat it as a cult of personality.   We cheer when this or that leader is killed, but nothing seems to change no matter how many leaders die.  Their leaders are now obscurities, no one recognizes them and when they are killed the administration has to school us that the dead man was a leader.  But they don’t depend on a cult of personality.  They are not a communist dictatorship, they are an ideological/religious movement.  Kill their leader and another steps right up without missing a beat.

    We don’t have or want a cult of personality.  We want a winning ideology.  Take out Trump?  Sure, who’s next?  Desantis?  Come Ron, your turn.  Tulsi Gabbard, you’re up next.  The librarian across town?  Be prepared to jump in.  We need to focus on the ideas, not the person, and some Never-Trumpers need to get on board or they will be the end of our nation.

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  5. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    There is a difference between rallying behind Trump while he is being unfairly persecuted and supporting him for president. In fact, the best way to support Trump in his travails might be to nominate DeSantis so that we would have a candidate who could actually beat Dementia Joe and then pardon Trump.

    Let them defeat Trump and they will do worse to DeSantis. 

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  6. Red Herring Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    I’m not buying it. Trump has to earn my vote, as does anyone seeking my vote. I would rather not have another elderly man in office, I question his judgment, and frankly I have other options. If Trump is the nominee, I hope he wins, as Biden has been the absolute worst, most destructive president in my lifetime, but I don’t feel any need to vote for him unless he makes a compelling case for me to do so.

    I agree.

    The Democrats want Trump to be the nominee because that way lots of voters will feel compelled to vote for Biden despite Biden’s awful record as president.

    If Republicans want to win again, the first step is pushing Trump aside and nominating people who don’t constantly hand ammo to the Left and complain that the Left is shooting at him.

    I want to defeat the Dem persecution of Trump. I am done depending on any candidate’s promises. 

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  7. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Albert Arthur (View Comment):

    The day that Trump was inaugurated, there was an article, I think in the Washington Post, attacking him for removing the bust of Martin Luther King, implying that he was racist. But Trump hadn’t removed it. It was fake news. The reporter who wrote the article couldn’t see the bust due to a door. Did Trump bring that on himself? Did he “hand ammo to the Left?” No.

    If you didn’t understand, from January 20, 2017, that it doesn’t matter what Trump does, he’ll be attacked, then you (the proverbial you) are not paying attention.

     

    I have collected many screenshots of the Dem lies about Trump. They have a working game plan and a spineless Republican audience. 

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  8. Red Herring Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Albert Arthur (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    If Republicans want to win again, the first step is pushing Trump aside and nominating people who don’t constantly hand ammo to the Left and complain that the Left is shooting at him.

    I’ve heard other people make this argument and I thought those other people were dimwitted.

    People who think that “Trump brings it on himself” don’t understand that Trump gets attacked for literally everything he does. He does not “bring it on himself.” His opponents are insane. They are rabid animals.

    Trump does bring it on himself in addition to whatever would be headed his way because he’s a Republican.

    Trump just makes the Democrats’ job easier.

    No, spineless Republicans make the job easier. 

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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Albert Arthur (View Comment):

    The day that Trump was inaugurated, there was an article, I think in the Washington Post, attacking him for removing the bust of Martin Luther King, implying that he was racist. But Trump hadn’t removed it. It was fake news. The reporter who wrote the article couldn’t see the bust due to a door. Did Trump bring that on himself? Did he “hand ammo to the Left?” No.

    If you didn’t understand, from January 20, 2017, that it doesn’t matter what Trump does, he’ll be attacked, then you (the proverbial you) are not paying attention.

    But what you presented doesn’t represent all of what Trump did during his political career. You point to situations where the Left exaggerated and completely invented an issue with Trump.

    That’s not what I am talking about.

    That, what he is talking about,  and pearl clutching pretty much explains Trump hatred on our side. 

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  10. Red Herring Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Trump just makes the Democrats’ job easier.

    Do you mean the “job” of denial of equal protection under the law? None of the criticisms leveled at supporting Trump has come close to telling us how to restore civil liberty. Get another Republican elected? Not if you abandon Trump.

    I don’t understand why abandoning Trump means we can not pursue the goal of restoring civil liberty.

    If Republicans choose Ron DeSantis as their 2024 presidential nominee, this would not mean that Republican primary voters don’t give a hoot about restoring civil liberty. In fact, nominating Ron DeSantis might be the first significant step towards restoring civil liberty.

    If we nominate Trump and Trump loses against Biden in 2024 as he did in 2020 (although we can argue that Biden only won because he cheated), how has civil liberty been restored?

    Civil liberty presumably existed before Trump decided to become a Republican a few years back. Maybe civil liberty could exist again after Trump retires from politics. It will be a hard task, but nominating Ron DeSantis might be the first step on that path.

    “Civil liberty” has been endangered for a long time. I am discouraged by how few on my side see the real problem.  We have been warned for years.

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  11. Red Herring Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    navyjag (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

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    Rodin (View Comment):
    And you seem to agree with Trump that DeSantis was “disloyal”. So if you believe that why would you buy his promise to pardon Trump?

    I’m not aware that DeSantis promised not to run against Trump. I know that Haley did.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/ron-desantis-wont-run-president-busy-fighting-critical-race-theory-2021-10?op=1

    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/desantis-telling-donors-he-wont-challenge-trump-in-2024-per-report/

    Other reports had him more cagey.

     

    It’s not a question of loyalty to Trump. It’s a question of trust. If you switch your vote from Trump to DeSantis because DeSantis promises to pardon Trump, will he keep his word, or will it somehow be more convenient not to? After all we have been given all the reasons why we must have a more “acceptable” candidate, just like we were promised the repeal of Obamacare, et al. And if Trump is given a kangaroo trial with DeSantis looking on, where will his supporters be? What happened to all those people who voted for Biden and ended up with inflation, racial division, imposed scarcity, and war?

     

    R “those people” will still vote for Slow Joe over Trump. No doubt.

    This is where I think having a circle of friends or relatives or co-workers that isn’t monolithic is helpful.

    There are lots of people who think of Trump as in a completely different category of human being compared to just about everyone else. So, even if they don’t think much of Biden, they will vote for Biden if his opponent is Trump.

    I think the best analogy I can think of is the Governor’s race and the US Senate race in Georgia in 2022.

    Brian Kemp was running for re-election. Herschel Walker was running for US Senate. Both ran as conservatives. Both ran as Republicans. Both ran in Georgia in 2022. Brian Kemp won. Herschel Walker lost.

    Why? Herschel Walker seemed like he was in a different category of human being compared to just about anyone else. So, even though Georgia voters were willing to elect a Republican (they did elect Brian Kemp), they weren’t willing to pull the lever for Herschel Walker.

    As I see it, Ron DeSantis is Brian Kemp. Donald Trump is Herschel Walker. One can win. The other will likely lose.

    Georgia voters were an embarrassment. Knowing their choice would determine which party would control the Senate, they clutches their pearls and punted. I blame them, not Trump or Walker. 

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  12. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    It is apparent from the comments that there is a great split amongst the readers here. Not on whether Trump or DeSantis would be a better candidate/president, but on whether we are at an inflection point in the nations’ political nature and whether supporting Trump is essential to an outcome.

    Because I think the outcome is so important I sometimes fall into the argument about candidate/president and may not make a compelling case. The real argument is about the importance and meaning of US v Trump and the consequences to our nation’s future.

    Pardons do not repair harm. They do not reform the system that created the need for and justified the pardon. They simply stop an individualized harm. Did pardoning Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, and Roger Stone repair the system that convicted them?

    The promise of pardon is irrelevant, because the need for the promise is evidence of a grave disease. IMO if the people do not support citizen Trump against the regime and show that support in the only way that a regime fears, then a pardon becomes personally just but nationally useless.

    Exactly. Also, a pardon implies guilt, as does abandoning him. Both are wins for Dems. They will attack D with every lie they can muster and wash, rinse, repeat. 

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  13. Red Herring Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    It is apparent from the comments that there is a great split amongst the readers here. Not on whether Trump or DeSantis would be a better candidate/president, but on whether we are at an inflection point in the nations’ political nature and whether supporting Trump is essential to an outcome.

    Because I think the outcome is so important I sometimes fall into the argument about candidate/president and may not make a compelling case. The real argument is about the importance and meaning of US v Trump and the consequences to our nations future.

    Pardons do not repair harm. They do not reform the system that justified the pardon. They simply stop an individualized harm. Did pardoning Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, and Roger Stone repair the system that convicted them?

    The promise of pardon is irrelevant, because the need for the promise is evidence of a grave disease. IMO if the people do not support citizen Trump against the regime and show that support in the only way that a regime fears, then a pardon becomes personally just but nationally useless.

    What if the prosecutor, Jack Smith, is unable to secure a guilty verdict from the 12 jurors? Wouldn’t that be a vindication of the principle of innocent until proven guilty, a key feature of the American justice system?

     

    In a blue city, not happening. 

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  14. The Reticulator Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):
    I want to defeat the Dem persecution of Trump.

    That’s a worthy objective, for sure.   I’d prefer doing it without electing Trump, but I think he should stay in the running for now. (And why wouldn’t he, given that he seems to be ahead in the polls?)

     

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  15. Red Herring Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    It is apparent from the comments that there is a great split amongst the readers here. Not on whether Trump or DeSantis would be a better candidate/president, but on whether we are at an inflection point in the nations’ political nature and whether supporting Trump is essential to an outcome.

    Because I think the outcome is so important I sometimes fall into the argument about candidate/president and may not make a compelling case. The real argument is about the importance and meaning of US v Trump and the consequences to our nations future.

    Pardons do not repair harm. They do not reform the system that justified the pardon. They simply stop an individualized harm. Did pardoning Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, and Roger Stone repair the system that convicted them?

    The promise of pardon is irrelevant, because the need for the promise is evidence of a grave disease. IMO if the people do not support citizen Trump against the regime and show that support in the only way that a regime fears, then a pardon becomes personally just but nationally useless.

    What if the prosecutor, Jack Smith, is unable to secure a guilty verdict from the 12 jurors? Wouldn’t that be a vindication of the principle of innocent until proven guilty, a key feature of the American justice system?

     

    It might be a start. But the process is the punishment. And even an unsuccessful prosecution –even a prolonged investigation that does not result in an indictment –has a chilling effect. Think about how the threat of lawsuits modify behavior in every day life — some good, some bad, but not neutral. In politics and civil rights we need to feel secure in expressing our beliefs and support, and not simply making ourselves a target.

    I don’t see this case as a civil rights issue. I think it’s a case of jerking the government around when it tries to retrieve important government documents.

    As Trump’s former Attorney General, Bill Barr, said, Trump jerked the government around. Now Trump might have to go through a legal procedure to see if he violated federal law.

    Trump is not above the law and maybe these charges brought against Trump will reinforce this principle.

    There were no important documents. Three documents were mentioned, the letter from Obama to Trump (he returned), a letter from Rocket Man (he returned), and classified not detailed. If Trump originated them, he could declassify them. There is no mention such documents existed but in this day of over classification, who knows. If another agency created them, he could declassify them or keep them. They would not be the only copies and definitely weren’t critical enough to warrant the BS raid. 

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  16. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    It is apparent from the comments that there is a great split amongst the readers here. Not on whether Trump or DeSantis would be a better candidate/president, but on whether we are at an inflection point in the nations’ political nature and whether supporting Trump is essential to an outcome.

    Because I think the outcome is so important I sometimes fall into the argument about candidate/president and may not make a compelling case. The real argument is about the importance and meaning of US v Trump and the consequences to our nations future.

    Pardons do not repair harm. They do not reform the system that justified the pardon. They simply stop an individualized harm. Did pardoning Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, and Roger Stone repair the system that convicted them?

    The promise of pardon is irrelevant, because the need for the promise is evidence of a grave disease. IMO if the people do not support citizen Trump against the regime and show that support in the only way that a regime fears, then a pardon becomes personally just but nationally useless.

    What if the prosecutor, Jack Smith, is unable to secure a guilty verdict from the 12 jurors? Wouldn’t that be a vindication of the principle of innocent until proven guilty, a key feature of the American justice system?

     

    It might be a start. But the process is the punishment. And even an unsuccessful prosecution –even a prolonged investigation that does not result in an indictment –has a chilling effect. Think about how the threat of lawsuits modify behavior in every day life — some good, some bad, but not neutral. In politics and civil rights we need to feel secure in expressing our beliefs and support, and not simply making ourselves a target.

    I don’t see this case as a civil rights issue. I think it’s a case of jerking the government around when it tries to retrieve important government documents.

    As Trump’s former Attorney General, Bill Barr, said, Trump jerked the government around. Now Trump might have to go through a legal procedure to see if he violated federal law.

    Trump is not above the law and maybe these charges brought against Trump will reinforce this principle.

    I think you have made my point in Comment #56. You and Barr are aligned in your thinking, I am not.

    Mark Levin has criticized Barr’s comments. 

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  17. Red Herring Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    “The compulsion to defend anything and everything Trump does and then claim we live in a lawless banana republic whenever the system tries to hold him accountable is a celebration of lawlessness and banana republic politics.”

    Jonah Goldberg.

    I read this on Twitter and just rolled my eyes. 

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  18. The Reticulator Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    Trump is not above the law and maybe these charges brought against Trump will reinforce this principle.  

    Not a chance.  That principle that will be reinforced is that Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden et al are above the law. 

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  19. Red Herring Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    Trump is not above the law and maybe these charges brought against Trump will reinforce this principle.

    Not a chance. That principle that will be reinforced is that Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden et al are above the law.

    I reject the premise that Trump broke the law. 

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  20. The Reticulator Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    Trump is not above the law and maybe these charges brought against Trump will reinforce this principle.

    Not a chance. That principle that will be reinforced is that Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden et al are above the law.

    I reject the premise that Trump broke the law.

    I don’t have sufficient information to do that, nor do I have sufficient information to say he did.  But it doesn’t matter. 

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  21. The Reticulator Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    Trump is not above the law and maybe these charges brought against Trump will reinforce this principle.

    Not a chance. That principle that will be reinforced is that Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden et al are above the law.

    I reject the premise that Trump broke the law.

    I don’t have sufficient information to do that, nor do I have sufficient information to say he did. But it doesn’t matter.

    Or to put it a little differently:  Since everyone commits 3 felonies a day on average, it’s unlikely that Trump didn’t do so as well.  But that’s not the important issue here. 

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  22. Skyler Coolidge
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    I’ll vote for Desantis in the primary, but I’ll vote for whoever wins that nomination.

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  23. Red Herring Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    HeavyWater (View Comment):
    Trump is not above the law and maybe these charges brought against Trump will reinforce this principle.

    Not a chance. That principle that will be reinforced is that Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden et al are above the law.

    I reject the premise that Trump broke the law.

    I don’t have sufficient information to do that, nor do I have sufficient information to say he did. But it doesn’t matter.

    They have a repeated pattern of lying about norms and defying rules and norms. Since they defied rules and norms in the raid, I am confident they are lying about Trump and making criminal that which isn’t criminal.

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  24. The Reticulator Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):
    They have a repeated pattern of lying about norms and defying rules and norms. Since they defied rules and norms in the raid, I am confident they are lying about Trump and making criminal that which isn’t criminal.

    Since they defied rules and norms in the raid, I am confident they have defied rules and norms in the raid.  I am not confident they are lying about Trump.  I am not confident they are telling the truth, either.  If lies will work to their advantage they will lie. If telling the truth will work to their advantage, they will tell the truth.   More likely some combination of the two will work best for them, because pure lies seldom work unless there is some truth mixed in.  

    It’s best to get the specifics.   

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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    If lies will work to their advantage they will lie. If telling the truth will work to their advantage, they will tell the truth. 

    There have been some exceptions, such as Bill Clinton, who would lie even when telling the truth might work more in his favor.  I don’t remember the specifics, but during his presidency people would occasionally remark about it when instances occurred. 

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  26. Red Herring Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):
    They have a repeated pattern of lying about norms and defying rules and norms. Since they defied rules and norms in the raid, I am confident they are lying about Trump and making criminal that which isn’t criminal.

    Since they defied rules and norms in the raid, I am confident they have defied rules and norms in the raid. I am not confident they are lying about Trump. I am not confident they are telling the truth, either. If lies will work to their advantage they will lie. If telling the truth will work to their advantage, they will tell the truth. More likely some combination of the two will work best for them, because pure lies seldom work unless there is some truth mixed in.

    It’s best to get the specifics.

    Fool me once…

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  27. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    If lies will work to their advantage they will lie. If telling the truth will work to their advantage, they will tell the truth.

    There have been some exceptions, such as Bill Clinton, who would lie even when telling the truth might work more in his favor. I don’t remember the specifics, but during his presidency people would occasionally remark about it when instances occurred.

    Some people just cannot stop them selves from lying.  Take the recent interview of Donald Trump by Brett Baier on Fox News.  Trump said the reason for hiring Nikki Haley to be his UN Ambassador was for the sake of South Carolina.  Nikki Haley was overrated as a governor and by giving her a federal job it cleared the way for her lieutenant governor — who is a great guy — to become governor.  Does anybody really believe that was the motivation for hiring Nikki Haley?  She wasn’t very good but I brought her on the team so South Carolina wouldn’t have to put up with her anymore? 

    Who hears this and says “That Trump is awesome.  He will populate his administration with people he thinks are lackluster just so the people in the bum’s state won’t have to deal with him or her anymore.  How selfless.”  These preposterous stories are not going to get him one extra vote, but he cannot help himself.  Anybody who believes this claim is (1) true and (2) a good reason to support him was going to vote for Trump come hell or high water anyway.

     

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  28. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    If lies will work to their advantage they will lie. If telling the truth will work to their advantage, they will tell the truth.

    There have been some exceptions, such as Bill Clinton, who would lie even when telling the truth might work more in his favor. I don’t remember the specifics, but during his presidency people would occasionally remark about it when instances occurred.

    Some people just cannot stop them selves from lying. Take the recent interview of Donald Trump by Brett Baier on Fox News. Trump said the reason for hiring Nikki Haley to be his UN Ambassador was for the sake of South Carolina. Nikki Haley was overrated as a governor and by giving her a federal job it cleared the way for her lieutenant governor — who is a great guy — to become governor. Does anybody really believe that was the motivation for hiring Nikki Haley? She wasn’t very good but I brought her on the team so South Carolina wouldn’t have to put up with her anymore?

    Who hears this and says “That Trump is awesome. He will populate his administration with people he thinks are lackluster just so the people in the bum’s state won’t have to deal with him or her anymore. How selfless.” These preposterous stories are not going to get him one extra vote, but he cannot help himself. Anybody who believes this claim is (1) true and (2) a good reason to support him was going to vote for Trump come hell or high water anyway.

     

    McMaster, not Haley supported him for president. I wouldn’t be surprised if McMaster had his ear. I thought she was a good governor. I have never been a big McMaster fan but he is about as good as we could ask for at the moment. I doubt if Trump had many volunteers. Career politicians were told their careers would be over if they worked for him. Haley follows a different drummer. I think vp is her ceiling.

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