How Many Children Must Democrats Execute Before Parents Surrender?

 

That’s what’s going on here.

Democrats commit the vast majority of every type of crime imaginable, including school shootings. Democrats secretly rejoice in their heart of hearts at each school shooting. No matter who did it, the apparent solution to the apparent problem is one of their political Holy Grails — the disarmament of Americans. The solution to too many guns is indeed fewer guns, but too many guns is not the problem. The problem is too many lawless idiots; full-grown infants with no emotional continence or impulse control. Shrieking in public, raging at traffic, shooting at children.

The Second Amendment does not grant us the right to bear arms. It recognizes the existing right and forbids the government from infringing upon it.

Hold on to your guns like they were your kids, and your kids like they are your guns.

Here’s a church school I’d happily send kids to:

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  1. Ed G. Member
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    Nathanael Ferguson (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    Even common sense red flag laws, imperfect as they may be (and as every law is) are suspect.

    Im a huge supporter of the 2nd Amendment. But the fact is that we do have a cultural problem with insanity and gun availability, and too many political extremists on both sides demonizing those who are looking for compromises that might help.

    It confuses me to encounter both-sides-ism arguments today in 2023 from the right. Sincerely. We’re facing an opposition who believes literally crazy things, is corrupt in terms of obligations and to our system of government, and who is willing and increasingly able to silence and/or punish dissent from their craziness. You will bake the cake, you will acknowledge and celebrate two-spirit gender, you will mask and vax and go into lockdown, you will accept the election results regardless of any number of alarming issues that go unresolved.

    Red Flag laws could be common sense compromise if there were any trust remaining in our institutions and half the electorate. Half the country can’t tell us what a woman is without being circular – if ever there was such a thing as common sense it is long gone. Can there ever be such a thing in a multicultural environment? No, because identitarianism overrules and overrides everything.

    Mostly agree Ed G., however I’m stuck on the fact that even if we could trust the institutions, Red Flag laws would still be unconstitutional because they deprive people of due process. For that reason, no Red Flag laws are ever acceptable without strong due process protections. Of course the point of Red Flag laws is to circumvent due process, so I’m back to my first position of opposing all such laws.

    I understand and agree Nathanael. Just trying to point out that it’s not even apples to apples comparison in our current environment. 1) there really are nefarious and crazy tyrants wanting to take our guns, so 2) there’s no institutional trust enough to engage in a sincere debate on the topic with opponents of goodwill and reason.

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  2. BDB Inactive
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    BDB:

    The problem is too many lawless idiots, full-grown infants with no emotional continence or impulse control. Shrieking in public, raging at traffic, shooting at children.

    Given the number of people like this in our society, one might wonder if a better effort to limit their access to guns might be a good idea. But every effort to do so is thwarted by those on the right who see nefarious gun-grabbing tyrants in every shadow. Even common sense red flag laws, imperfect as they may be (and as every law is) are suspect.

    Im a huge supporter of the 2nd Amendment. But the fact is that we do have a cultural problem with insanity and gun availability, and too many political extremists on both sides demonizing those who are looking for compromises that might help.

    SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

    Call me what you like.

    All that does is help them believe they’re right about wanting to alter or abolish the Constitution.

    Cold, dead hands.

    I agree. But the point is that showing them what the Constitution says doesn’t even slow them down.

    Neither does anything but hot lead. So they can just come for it.

    The 2A says “the right…” shall not be infringed, not “the ability..” The ancient right protected by that amendment never meant the ability to keep weapons at all times and in all places. And it never meant the ability of a dangerous person to keep weapons, otherwise every time a police officer disarms someone it would be a violation of the 2nd Amendment. That’s obviously not the case.

    Red flag laws typically have plenty of due process, which will be enforced by locally elected judges. The opposition to them, well intentioned as it might be, is generally based on an overreaction to that concern.

    Don;t know what you’re banging on about.  I’ll hand over a weapon if needed at a traffic stop.  I’m not being unreasonable.  I just am not falling for the disarmament line you’re pushing, “I support the second amendment BUT…”

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  3. Flicker Coolidge
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    But the fact is that we do have a cultural problem with insanity and gun availability

    Exactly, people with mental illness, in particular mental illness that inhibits them from recognizing their own gender, should not have guns.

    They recognize their own gender, it’s their sex that they can’t see.

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  4. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    But the fact is that we do have a cultural problem with insanity and gun availability

    Exactly, people with mental illness, in particular mental illness that inhibits them from recognizing their own gender, should not have guns.

    They recognize their own gender, it’s their sex that they can’t see.

    Nope. Gender isn’t even a thing (unless you’re talking about Romance languages). It’s made up. Anyone so far out of touch with reality as to deny one’s biological sex in favor of some made up “gender” should be treated for mental illness. Being incapable of recognizing reality is kind of the definition of psychosis. 

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  5. Percival Thatcher
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    BDB:

    The problem is too many lawless idiots, full-grown infants with no emotional continence or impulse control. Shrieking in public, raging at traffic, shooting at children.

    Given the number of people like this in our society, one might wonder if a better effort to limit their access to guns might be a good idea. But every effort to do so is thwarted by those on the right who see nefarious gun-grabbing tyrants in every shadow. Even common sense red flag laws, imperfect as they may be (and as every law is) are suspect.

    Im a huge supporter of the 2nd Amendment. But the fact is that we do have a cultural problem with insanity and gun availability, and too many political extremists on both sides demonizing those who are looking for compromises that might help.

    SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

    Call me what you like.

    All that does is help them believe they’re right about wanting to alter or abolish the Constitution.

    Cold, dead hands.

    I agree. But the point is that showing them what the Constitution says doesn’t even slow them down.

    Neither does anything but hot lead. So they can just come for it.

    The 2A says “the right…” shall not be infringed, not “the ability..” The ancient right protected by that amendment never meant the ability to keep weapons at all times and in all places. And it never meant the ability of a dangerous person to keep weapons, otherwise every time a police officer disarms someone it would be a violation of the 2nd Amendment. That’s obviously not the case.

    Red flag laws typically have plenty of due process, which will be enforced by locally elected judges. The opposition to them, well intentioned as it might be, is generally based on an overreaction to that concern.

    I don’t want the groomers and their cheerleaders deciding who is normal.

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  6. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

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    BDB (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    BDB:

    The problem is too many lawless idiots, full-grown infants with no emotional continence or impulse control. Shrieking in public, raging at traffic, shooting at children.

    Given the number of people like this in our society, one might wonder if a better effort to limit their access to guns might be a good idea. But every effort to do so is thwarted by those on the right who see nefarious gun-grabbing tyrants in every shadow. Even common sense red flag laws, imperfect as they may be (and as every law is) are suspect.

    Im a huge supporter of the 2nd Amendment. But the fact is that we do have a cultural problem with insanity and gun availability, and too many political extremists on both sides demonizing those who are looking for compromises that might help.

    SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

    Call me what you like.

    All that does is help them believe they’re right about wanting to alter or abolish the Constitution.

    Cold, dead hands.

    I agree. But the point is that showing them what the Constitution says doesn’t even slow them down.

    Neither does anything but hot lead. So they can just come for it.

    The 2A says “the right…” shall not be infringed, not “the ability..” The ancient right protected by that amendment never meant the ability to keep weapons at all times and in all places. And it never meant the ability of a dangerous person to keep weapons, otherwise every time a police officer disarms someone it would be a violation of the 2nd Amendment. That’s obviously not the case.

    Red flag laws typically have plenty of due process, which will be enforced by locally elected judges. The opposition to them, well intentioned as it might be, is generally based on an overreaction to that concern.

    I don’t want the groomers and their cheerleaders deciding who is normal.

    And who’s an “extremist.” Already in heavy use by our pResident along with “domestic terrorist” used by the inJustice Department to refer to parents who speak out at school board meetings.

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  7. Instugator Thatcher
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    But the fact is that we do have a cultural problem with insanity and gun availability

    Exactly, people with mental illness, in particular mental illness that inhibits them from recognizing their own gender, should not have guns.

    They recognize their own gender, it’s their sex that they can’t see.

    I give no weight to their insane rubric.

    All models are wrong, some models are useful.

    This one is destructive.

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  8. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Anyone for Red Flag laws is against people getting the mental health treatment that they desperately need. 

    So, we know that DA Venters is against mental health treatment in pursuit of taking guns away from people. 

    Train and arm all teachers. Make it mandatory. If they don’t like it, they can find other jobs. 

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  9. Nathanael Ferguson Contributor
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Train and arm all teachers. Make it mandatory. If they don’t like it, they can find other jobs. 

    I want very much to agree with this….but have you seen the teachers featured regularly by Libs of Tiktok, James O’Keefe, etc? No way do I want to arm the groomers! I think selective armament of teachers & administrators is a better option. 

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  10. Flicker Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    But the fact is that we do have a cultural problem with insanity and gun availability

    Exactly, people with mental illness, in particular mental illness that inhibits them from recognizing their own gender, should not have guns.

    They recognize their own gender, it’s their sex that they can’t see.

    Nope. Gender isn’t even a thing (unless you’re talking about Romance languages). It’s made up. Anyone so far out of touch with reality as to deny one’s biological sex in favor of some made up “gender” should be treated for mental illness. Being incapable of recognizing reality is kind of the definition of psychosis.

    Instugator (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    But the fact is that we do have a cultural problem with insanity and gun availability

    Exactly, people with mental illness, in particular mental illness that inhibits them from recognizing their own gender, should not have guns.

    They recognize their own gender, it’s their sex that they can’t see.

    I give no weight to their insane rubric.

    All models are wrong, some models are useful.

    This one is destructive.

    I was objecting to the use of gender in place of sex.  I guess I missed being clear.

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  11. GrannyDude Member
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    Great discussion.

    History has examples of regimes who have found it expedient to diagnose political opponents as “mentally ill” so as to stigmatize, silence or imprison them. It is awfully easy to imagine the Democrats deciding that conservative viewpoints are a symptom of madness, and responding with their trademark, lethal “compassion.”

    What I did not anticipate was that the diagnostics could shift the other way—that the politically-useful, genuinely mentally ill,  instead of being recognized and treated as such, are declared perfectly normal (if misunderstood) and then manipulated and exploited.

    In other words, the category of “mentally ill” is evidently so elastic and so easily politicized that a prohibition on the exercise of any constitutional (that is, natural) right must be regarded with extreme suspicion if not outright hostility.

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  12. GrannyDude Member
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    If I think about it, many  whom common sense would recognize as diseased, addicted or both are re-defined as “persons experiencing homelessness,” for instance. 

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    If I think about it, many whom common sense would recognize as diseased, addicted or both are re-defined as “persons experiencing homelessness,” for instance.

    Except they’re not just “experiencing homelessness” in a vacuum.  There are reasons, such as mental illness.

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  14. BDB Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    If I think about it, many whom common sense would recognize as diseased, addicted or both are re-defined as “persons experiencing homelessness,” for instance.

    Except they’re not just “experiencing homelessness” in a vacuum. There are reasons, such as mental illness.

    Easy there, Killer.  You just caught a parked car.

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

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    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    If I think about it, many whom common sense would recognize as diseased, addicted or both are re-defined as “persons experiencing homelessness,” for instance.

    Except they’re not just “experiencing homelessness” in a vacuum. There are reasons, such as mental illness.

    Easy there, Killer. You just caught a parked car.

    My point is that the left wants to just label the result while pretending the causes don’t exist.

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  16. BDB Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    If I think about it, many whom common sense would recognize as diseased, addicted or both are re-defined as “persons experiencing homelessness,” for instance.

    Except they’re not just “experiencing homelessness” in a vacuum. There are reasons, such as mental illness.

    Easy there, Killer. You just caught a parked car.

    My point is that the left wants to just label the result while pretending the causes don’t exist.

    Which is what GrannyDude just said.

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  17. Western Chauvinist Member
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    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    and then manipulated and exploited.

    Exploitation is the M.O. of the Left. Dead Christian children isn’t about them. It’s about what they can do for the cause of “progress.” The pattern goes back to the early days of the Democrat party and slavery, they’ve just gotten sneakier about it and way more powerful.

     

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    If I think about it, many whom common sense would recognize as diseased, addicted or both are re-defined as “persons experiencing homelessness,” for instance.

    Except they’re not just “experiencing homelessness” in a vacuum. There are reasons, such as mental illness.

    Easy there, Killer. You just caught a parked car.

    My point is that the left wants to just label the result while pretending the causes don’t exist.

    Which is what GrannyDude just said.

    I don’t think the direction or something was quite as clear.  Now people have two ways of reading it.

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  19. Instugator Thatcher
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    I was objecting to the use of gender in place of sex.  I guess I missed being clear.

    No, it is just that I find no difference between the two words. See the usage over 5 centuries mentioned below.

    From Oxford

    the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones, or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.

    The word “especially” in the first sentence does not mean exclusively. 

    From Miriam-Webster usage guide

    The words sex and gender have a long and intertwined history. In the 15th century gender expanded from its use as a term for a grammatical subclass to join sex in referring to either of the two primary biological forms of a species, a meaning sex has had since the 14th century; phrases like “the male sex” and “the female gender” are both grounded in uses established for more than five centuries. In the 20th century sex and gender each acquired new uses. Sex developed its “sexual intercourse” meaning in the early part of the century (now its more common meaning), and a few decades later gender gained a meaning referring to the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex, as in “gender roles.” Later in the century, gender also came to have application in two closely related compound terms: gender identity refers to a person’s internal sense of being male, female, some combination of male and female, or neither male nor female; gender expression refers to the physical and behavioral manifestations of one’s gender identity. By the end of the century gender by itself was being used as a synonym of gender identity.

    Among those who study gender and sexuality, a clear delineation between sex and gender is typically prescribed, with sex as the preferred term for biological forms, and gender limited to its meanings involving behavioral, cultural, and psychological traits. 

    I typically use the 20th century meanings, where sex refers to intercourse, while gender refers to equipment or grammar depending on context.

    As for the opinion of those who “study gender and sexuality” I treat them as groomers and consider their contributions in the field of science to be evil.

    If you would like more information, see the sections in “What is a Woman” regarding Kinsey, or the researcher that sexually abused twin boys until one commits suicide – there were more, but I forget the researcher’s name.

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  20. Flicker Coolidge
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    I was objecting to the use of gender in place of sex. I guess I missed being clear.

    No, it is just that I find no difference between the two words. See the usage over 5 centuries mentioned below.

    From Oxford

    the male sex or the female sex, especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones, or one of a range of other identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.

    The word “especially” in the first sentence does not mean exclusively.

    From Miriam-Webster usage guide

    The words sex and gender have a long and intertwined history. In the 15th century gender expanded from its use as a term for a grammatical subclass to join sex in referring to either of the two primary biological forms of a species, a meaning sex has had since the 14th century; phrases like “the male sex” and “the female gender” are both grounded in uses established for more than five centuries. In the 20th century sex and gender each acquired new uses. Sex developed its “sexual intercourse” meaning in the early part of the century (now its more common meaning), and a few decades later gender gained a meaning referring to the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex, as in “gender roles.” Later in the century, gender also came to have application in two closely related compound terms: gender identity refers to a person’s internal sense of being male, female, some combination of male and female, or neither male nor female; gender expression refers to the physical and behavioral manifestations of one’s gender identity. By the end of the century gender by itself was being used as a synonym of gender identity.

    Among those who study gender and sexuality, a clear delineation between sex and gender is typically prescribed, with sex as the preferred term for biological forms, and gender limited to its meanings involving behavioral, cultural, and psychological traits.

    I typically use the 20th century meanings, where sex refers to intercourse, while gender refers to equipment or grammar depending on context.

    As for the opinion of those who “study gender and sexuality” I treat them as groomers and consider their contributions in the field of science to be evil.

    If you would like more information, see the sections in “What is a Woman” regarding Kinsey, or the researcher that sexually abused twin boys until one commits suicide – there were more, but I forget the researcher’s name.

    I’ve been objecting to the use of gender, complete with OED definitions, from the very start.  I just got a new driver’s license and crossed out the word gender on the application and wrote in sex.  I was being provocative above, insinuating that they recognize their own gender though it doesn’t exist, but don’t recognize the word sex which does; pointing out the difference between those deluded and those not.  :)

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  21. Instugator Thatcher
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    I was being provocative above, insinuating that they recognize their own gender though it doesn’t exist, but don’t recognize the word sex which does; pointing out the difference between those deluded and those not.  :)

    Looking at the usage guide from Merriam-Webster that I showed above, it is apparent that biological sex is being erased from common usage. Since the word sex in the early part of the 20th century came to mean “intercourse” and the word gender in the latter part of the 20th century came to mean “gender identity”. The result is is that they replaced two single words that tended to mean the same thing with no words at all or a four word compound “sex assigned at birth”.

    From The hitchhiker’s guide to the Galaxy,

    It is of course perfectly natural to assume that everyone else is having a far more exciting time than you. Human beings, for instance, have a phrase that describes this phenomenon, ‘The other man’s grass is always greener.’

    The Shaltanac race of Broopkidren 13 had a similar phrase, but since their planet is somewhat eccentric, botanically speaking, the best they could manage was, ‘The other Shaltanac’s joopleberry shrub is always a more mauvy shade of pinky-russet.’ And so the expression soon fell into disuse, and the Shaltanacs had little option but to become terribly happy and contented with their lot, much to the surprise of everyone else in the Galaxy who had not realized that the best way not to be unhappy is not to have a word for it.

    The Marxist way to have a genderless and sexless society is not to have words for them.

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  22. BDB Inactive
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    I prefer the Edwardian usage. 

    As usual. 

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  23. Bishop Wash Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    I’ve been objecting to the use of gender, complete with OED definitions, from the very start.  I just got a new driver’s license and crossed out the word gender on the application and wrote in sex.  I was being provocative above, insinuating that they recognize their own gender though it doesn’t exist, but don’t recognize the word sex which does; pointing out the difference between those deluded and those not.  :)

    To show how far things have changed, in the early, wild days of the Internet, circa 1997, I did something similar. I didn’t like that some web form was asking for my gender. I wrote to the webmaster and pointed out that people have sex and words have gender and to please change the form. He did. No way would that happen today.

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