Making the Most of the ‘Biden Boom’

 

The last two years have not gone well.  Devastating inflation (reducing the wealth of absolutely everybody, rich and especially poor), urban collapse, high interest rates, increasing racial tensions, a European war that threatens WWIII, increasing energy costs, huge drops in the stock market, China invading our airspace (& Taiwan’s airspace) with no consequences, a humanitarian crisis at our southern border, shipping problems, rising crime rates, explosions in suicides and drug overdoses, prominent leaders openly discussing secession, the FBI, CIA, and our military becoming prominent partisan actors in our political sphere, and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on…

Republicans are displeased, but this is not surprising.  They didn’t vote for all this to begin with.

It’s the Democrats I wonder about.  Paul Krugman won a Nobel Prize for Economics.  He is not stupid.  When he wrote the above article when Biden was elected, did Mr. Krugman believe it?  Did he really believe that leftism would make America a better place, like it did Venezuela, Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Cuba, etc? Regardless of whether he believed what he was writing then, what does he think now? Now that he has seen how this turned out, if he were given the chance, would he go back in time and vote for Trump instead of Biden?  If not, why not?  How many people voted for Biden?  How many of them would vote the same way today?  Why?

I’ve heard that there is a growing movement among Democrats who hope that Biden does not run for re-election.  Why, I cannot imagine, since he has been the most productive Democrat president since at least FDR, and probably ever.  He has gotten more Democrat policies enacted in just two years than any other Democrat president has in their entire term.  But still, some Democrats apparently want someone new.

But despite that, and despite all that has happened, I really believe that a huge majority of Democrat voters would not change their vote in 2020, given the chance. Despite all that has happened.

I just don’t understand.

Conservatives have long said that no one could be a leftist unless they were unaware of the events of the 20th century, and unless they had never traveled to a leftist country like Cuba or Venezuela.  But now here we are — all of us up to our necks in the results of leftism.  And most leftists seem to stick with leftism.

There’s no way they believe that leftism works — the last two years prove that it does not, just as the 20th century did.

There’s no way they’re simply unaware of the results of applied leftism – they’re living it right now.

So why do they continue to support leftism?  The only possible answer I can think of is so horrifying that I refuse to consider it.

Is this what they want for their children?  Of course not.  But they continue to vote for it?

I just don’t understand.

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  1. Red Herring Coolidge
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    I am reading this book now.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Righteous_Mind

    I read some of it before the cruise because it was the book club book discussed in the 3 optional book club seminars. I missed 1 of the 3 because my tour ran late. I didn’t have time to finish it before the cruise. It seemed dry at first but got more interesting the deeper I got into it. I do recommend it. 

    In a perfect world, we need both the left and right. We don’t live in a perfect world and the left has become too extreme to be an asset for creating a better world, in my opinion.

    If several others could read the book, it would make for an interesting discussion thread or Land of Confusion podcast, perhaps broken into 3 podcasts, one for each section.

    • #61
  2. James Salerno Inactive
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    I am reading this book now.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Righteous_Mind

    I read some of it before the cruise because it was the book club book discussed in the 3 optional book club seminars. I missed 1 of the 3 because my tour ran late. I didn’t have time to finish it before the cruise. It seemed dry at first but got more interesting the deeper I got into it. I do recommend it.

    In a perfect world, we need both the left and right. We don’t live in a perfect world and the left has become too extreme to be an asset for creating a better world, in my opinion.

    If several others could read the book, it would make for an interesting discussion thread or Land of Confusion podcast, perhaps broken into 3 podcasts, one for each section.

    I’ve read it. Definitely an interesting book. I like how Haidt categorizes the different aspects of morality that societies emphasize.

    He also paints quite the unflattering view of the liberal mindset, although I’m not sure that was his intent.

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  3. Red Herring Coolidge
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    @EHerring

    James Salerno (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    I am reading this book now.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Righteous_Mind

    I read some of it before the cruise because it was the book club book discussed in the 3 optional book club seminars. I missed 1 of the 3 because my tour ran late. I didn’t have time to finish it before the cruise. It seemed dry at first but got more interesting the deeper I got into it. I do recommend it.

    In a perfect world, we need both the left and right. We don’t live in a perfect world and the left has become too extreme to be an asset for creating a better world, in my opinion.

    If several others could read the book, it would make for an interesting discussion thread or Land of Confusion podcast, perhaps broken into 3 podcasts, one for each section.

    I’ve read it. Definitely an interesting book. I like how Haidt categorizes the different aspects of morality that societies emphasize.

    He also paints quite the unflattering view of the liberal mindset, although I’m not sure that was his intent.

    I thought the morality part was interesting. The book gets more interesting the deeper I get into it.

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  4. The Reticulator Member
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    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: huge drops in the stock market

    Then there’s this one.

    Since Biden took office, the Dow is up and the S&P 500 is up. The Nasdaq composite is down. So stocks are mixed. There has not been a huge drop overall.

    As is often the case, the markets have been up and down on occasion, so there have been periods of decline and periods of increase.

    So maybe the reason that some people think that Biden hasn’t done such a bad job is that your view of the facts — or at least some of them — is incorrect.

    Looks to me that it’s down from the peak, after Biden’s policies had a chance to sink into the economy a bit.

    Or maybe I’m misreading the chart. 3 major indices all track the same way. I wonder why?

     

     

    First pick your narrative. Than choose a baseline measurement (or point on the X axis) to fit your narrative.  

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  5. GPentelie Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    There are winners and losers from inflation.  This should be obvious.

    Costco hardest hit:

    https://babylonbee.com/news/thanks-to-inflation-more-american-families-forced-to-survive-solely-on-costco-samples

    But seriously, …

    Yes, inflation can be very sweet for, say, fixed-rate mortgage borrowers without cash-flow problems, since they’re repaying their debts with cheaper and cheaper money while their properties simultaneously appreciate.

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Listen, fat. The voters don’t regard it as “leftism.” It’s “sustainable, inclusive, compassionate policies” and it’s soooo much better than the Putin-tool who put kids in cages and told everyone to drink bleach. Leftism is, well, hairy people talking about Marx or something.

    One of my relatives once told me, “You don’t vote for a candidate. You vote against a candidate.”

    I think this explains the behavior of many voters, Democrats, Republicans and independents.

    That’s just a restatement of “the lesser of two evils.”

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    The tech tycoons are, definitionally, in the protected class. They can afford to believe their neo-pagan, neo-Marxist fantasies. The Left’s destruction of our institutions and culture doesn’t ruin their lives. It ruins everyone else, whether by “welfare” that disincentivizes work and responsibility (but keeps the underclass voting Democrat), or by punishing the working class with taxes and regulations.

    GR has in the past also admitted to having these “luxury beliefs.”

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    The SOP for the left is as follows:

    STEP 1: the new leftist government is the ideal form of government (e.g., USSR in 1920s, Cuba in 1960s, Venezuela in 2000s) and a model to follow.

    STEP 2: that government fails.

    STEP 3: the left will declare “real socialism has never been tried.

    rinse and repeat.

     

    I like this one:

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  9. Percival Thatcher
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Gazpacho Grande’ (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: huge drops in the stock market

    Then there’s this one.

    Since Biden took office, the Dow is up and the S&P 500 is up. The Nasdaq composite is down. So stocks are mixed. There has not been a huge drop overall.

    As is often the case, the markets have been up and down on occasion, so there have been periods of decline and periods of increase.

    So maybe the reason that some people think that Biden hasn’t done such a bad job is that your view of the facts — or at least some of them — is incorrect.

    Looks to me that it’s down from the peak, after Biden’s policies had a chance to sink into the economy a bit.

    Or maybe I’m misreading the chart. 3 major indices all track the same way. I wonder why?

     

     

    First pick your narrative. Than choose a baseline measurement (or point on the X axis) to fit your narrative.

    Draw your curves then plot your points.

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  10. Misthiocracy has never Member
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    Dr. Bastiat: Conservatives have long said that no one could be a leftist unless they were unaware of the events of the 20th century, and unless they had never traveled to a leftist country like Cuba or Venezuela.  But now here we are — all of us up to our necks in the results of leftism.  And most leftists seem to stick with leftism…

    …precisely because the vast majority of them are unaware of the events of the 20th century and have never travelled to a leftist country like Cuba or Venezuela.

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  11. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: Conservatives have long said that no one could be a leftist unless they were unaware of the events of the 20th century, and unless they had never traveled to a leftist country like Cuba or Venezuela. But now here we are — all of us up to our necks in the results of leftism. And most leftists seem to stick with leftism…

    …precisely because the vast majority of them are unaware of the events of the 20th century and have never travelled to a leftist country like Cuba or Venezuela.

    And then there are the Sean Penns. . . what’s their excuse?

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  12. BDB Inactive
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    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: Conservatives have long said that no one could be a leftist unless they were unaware of the events of the 20th century, and unless they had never traveled to a leftist country like Cuba or Venezuela. But now here we are — all of us up to our necks in the results of leftism. And most leftists seem to stick with leftism…

    …precisely because the vast majority of them are unaware of the events of the 20th century and have never travelled to a leftist country like Cuba or Venezuela.

    I think this is the fallacy of ignorance.  These people hate us and our system.  We are not miscommunicating.  They are consumed by their negative emotions, addicted to the thrill of white-hot hatred, and bored out of their ungrateful skulls.

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: Conservatives have long said that no one could be a leftist unless they were unaware of the events of the 20th century, and unless they had never traveled to a leftist country like Cuba or Venezuela. But now here we are — all of us up to our necks in the results of leftism. And most leftists seem to stick with leftism…

    …precisely because the vast majority of them are unaware of the events of the 20th century and have never travelled to a leftist country like Cuba or Venezuela.

    I think this is the fallacy of ignorance. These people hate us and our system. We are not miscommunicating. They are consumed by their negative emotions, addicted to the thrill of white-hot hatred, and bored out of their ungrateful skulls.

    Because they have too much free time.

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  14. HeavyWater Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: Conservatives have long said that no one could be a leftist unless they were unaware of the events of the 20th century, and unless they had never traveled to a leftist country like Cuba or Venezuela. But now here we are — all of us up to our necks in the results of leftism. And most leftists seem to stick with leftism…

    …precisely because the vast majority of them are unaware of the events of the 20th century and have never travelled to a leftist country like Cuba or Venezuela.

    I think this is the fallacy of ignorance. These people hate us and our system. We are not miscommunicating. They are consumed by their negative emotions, addicted to the thrill of white-hot hatred, and bored out of their ungrateful skulls.

    Because they have too much free time.

    I think back to the 2020 Democratic presidential primaries, when Bernie Sanders seemed to be leading the field.  But then Bernie Sanders’ comments regarding Fidel Castro’s Cuba came up and the Democratic primaries seemed to turn on a dime towards Joe Biden.

    Not that Joe Biden isn’t pretty far to the Left.  It’s just that I think there was a bit of a backlash against Bernie Sanders’ outspoken “socialism.”

    (Actually Bernie Sanders didn’t spend his honeymoon in Denmark or Sweden, but in the Soviet Union, so “communism” is probably the more appropriate word to describe Bernie Sanders’ favorite political system).

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  15. BDB Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: Conservatives have long said that no one could be a leftist unless they were unaware of the events of the 20th century, and unless they had never traveled to a leftist country like Cuba or Venezuela. But now here we are — all of us up to our necks in the results of leftism. And most leftists seem to stick with leftism…

    …precisely because the vast majority of them are unaware of the events of the 20th century and have never travelled to a leftist country like Cuba or Venezuela.

    I think this is the fallacy of ignorance. These people hate us and our system. We are not miscommunicating. They are consumed by their negative emotions, addicted to the thrill of white-hot hatred, and bored out of their ungrateful skulls.

    Because they have too much free time.

    I know what they need.

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  16. Percival Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat: Conservatives have long said that no one could be a leftist unless they were unaware of the events of the 20th century, and unless they had never traveled to a leftist country like Cuba or Venezuela. But now here we are — all of us up to our necks in the results of leftism. And most leftists seem to stick with leftism…

    …precisely because the vast majority of them are unaware of the events of the 20th century and have never travelled to a leftist country like Cuba or Venezuela.

    I think this is the fallacy of ignorance. These people hate us and our system. We are not miscommunicating. They are consumed by their negative emotions, addicted to the thrill of white-hot hatred, and bored out of their ungrateful skulls.

    Because they have too much free time.

    Subsistence-level farming will fix that right up.

    • #76
  17. MarciN Member
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    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    There are winners and losers from inflation. This should be obvious.

    Costco hardest hit:

    https://babylonbee.com/news/thanks-to-inflation-more-american-families-forced-to-survive-solely-on-costco-samples

    But seriously, …

    Yes, inflation can be very sweet for, say, fixed-rate mortgage borrowers without cash-flow problems, since they’re repaying their debts with cheaper and cheaper money while their properties simultaneously appreciate.

    Most especially the U.S. government, which is paying bondholders back in dollars worth less than what it borrowed. This benefits us and penalizes Japan, our largest bondholder, and China, our second-largest bondholder.

    A book I read in 2011 said that there were only three ways the U.S. government could cope with its massive debt: (a) raise taxes, which the author Russ Koesterich said the taxpayers wouldn’t tolerate; (b) spending cuts, which the author said the voters wouldn’t tolerate; and (c) letting inflation run. He said it’s been the policy of the fed to keep a tight lid on inflation since the Carter years, but if they had instead let it out a bit at a time, the economy would have adjusted to it. Doing it this way is going to hurt.

    I think this is actually the Biden administration’s plan, to let inflation reduce the federal debt. I think that’s what we’re looking at right now.

    I worry that a great global recession coupled with the advancing time on the Doomsday Clock could mean a wild disaster.

    It’s a somber time.

    • #77
  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    There are winners and losers from inflation. This should be obvious.

    Costco hardest hit:

    https://babylonbee.com/news/thanks-to-inflation-more-american-families-forced-to-survive-solely-on-costco-samples

    But seriously, …

    Yes, inflation can be very sweet for, say, fixed-rate mortgage borrowers without cash-flow problems, since they’re repaying their debts with cheaper and cheaper money while their properties simultaneously appreciate.

    Most especially the U.S. government, which is paying bondholders back in dollars worth less than what it borrowed. This benefits us and penalizes Japan, our largest bondholder, and China, our second-largest bondholder.

    A book I read in 2011 said that there were only three ways the U.S. government could cope with its massive debt: (a) raise taxes, which the author Russ Koesterich said the taxpayers wouldn’t tolerate; (b) spending cuts, which voters also wouldn’t tolerate well; and (c) letting inflation run to some extent. He said it’s been the policy of the fed to keep a tight lid on inflation since the Carter years, but if they had instead let it out a bit at a time, the economy would have adjusted to it. Doing it this way is going to hurt.

    I think this is actually the Biden administration’s plan, to let inflation reduce the federal debt. I think that’s what we’re looking at right now.

    I worry that a great global recession coupled with the advancing time on the Doomsday Clock could mean a wild disaster.

    It’s a somber time.

    But doesn’t inflation mean that interest rates on the debt increase?  And last I heard, it wouldn’t take much before interest payments on the debt consume all “discretionary” federal spending.

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  19. GPentelie Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    Member MarciN @MarciN 12 Minutes Ago

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    There are winners and losers from inflation. This should be obvious.

    Costco hardest hit:

    https://babylonbee.com/news/thanks-to-inflation-more-american-families-forced-to-survive-solely-on-costco-samples

    But seriously, …

    Yes, inflation can be very sweet for, say, fixed-rate mortgage borrowers without cash-flow problems, since they’re repaying their debts with cheaper and cheaper money while their properties simultaneously appreciate.

    Most especially the U.S. government, …

    The U.S. government (or any government, for that matter) is NOT a FIXED-rate borrower (see NOTE below). It is an ADJUSTABLE-rate borrower. That’s why rising interest rates are a problem for it (and, therefore, for US “we the people”).

    NOTE:

    The US government (writ large: the US Establishment/DeepState/etc.), of course, has had LOTS of power over the last generation or so (not just domestically, but internationally) via which to develop a delightfully self-serving low FIXED interest-rate (e.g. via such fascinating financial “innovations” such as Quantitative Easing and variations thereof). Until recently (i.e. the past year or so).

    REALITY always wins, … in the end. Its victory can only be … DELAYED.

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  20. MarciN Member
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    GPentelie (View Comment):
    The U.S. government (or any government, for that matter) is NOT a FIXED-rate borrower (see NOTE below). It is an ADJUSTABLE-rate borrower. That’s why rising interest rates are a problem for it (and, therefore, for US “we the people”).

    My understanding is that most Treasury bonds are fixed rate:

    We sell Treasury Bonds for a term of either 20 or 30 years.

    Bonds pay a fixed rate of interest every six months until they mature.

    You can hold a bond until it matures or sell it before it matures.

    There are some new ones that are variable. I don’t remember what they are called. Perhaps that’s what you are referring to. 

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  21. MarciN Member
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    This is bizarre. I wrote out a longer answer earlier to KEDavis, but it has disappeared. For a second or so, it was comment  79. Oh, well. :) 

    • #81
  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    This is bizarre. I wrote out a longer answer earlier to KEDavis, but it has disappeared. For a second or so, it was comment 79. Oh, well. :)

    I’d like to see it!

    • #82
  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):
    The U.S. government (or any government, for that matter) is NOT a FIXED-rate borrower (see NOTE below). It is an ADJUSTABLE-rate borrower. That’s why rising interest rates are a problem for it (and, therefore, for US “we the people”).

    My understanding is that most Treasury bonds are fixed rate:

    We sell Treasury Bonds for a term of either 20 or 30 years.

    Bonds pay a fixed rate of interest every six months until they mature.

    You can hold a bond until it matures or sell it before it matures.

    There are some new ones that are variable. I don’t remember what they are called. Perhaps that’s what you are referring to.

    All of the T-bills are more or less variable, because they come up for renewal occasionally, and since they can’t be paid back – the money isn’t available – they get re-sold/rolled over at whatever the current rate is.

    • #83
  24. GPentelie Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    My understanding is that most Treasury bonds are fixed rate:

    NOT just most. It’s ALL. EACH individual Treasury bill, note, and bond issued by the US Treasury does indeed have a FIXED rate.

     

     

    • #84
  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    GPentelie (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    My understanding is that most Treasury bonds are fixed rate:

    NOT just most. It’s ALL. EACH individual Treasury bill, note, and bond issued by the US Treasury does indeed have a FIXED rate.

    But only for whatever their term is, which for the big government bonds like they sell to big banks or to China, might be as little as 1 year or even 90 days.

    • #85
  26. GPentelie Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    My understanding is that most Treasury bonds are fixed rate:

    NOT just most. It’s ALL. EACH individual Treasury bill, note, and bond issued by the US Treasury does indeed have a FIXED rate.

    But only for whatever their term is, which for the big government bonds like they sell to big banks or to China, might be as little as 1 year or even 90 days.

    Exactly.

    It would have been so nice if the “best and brightest” at Treasury would have extended the maturity of the debt, and locked in the low rates when, say, 30-year bonds were at 1.5-2.0%.

    But noooooo …

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    GPentelie (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    My understanding is that most Treasury bonds are fixed rate:

    NOT just most. It’s ALL. EACH individual Treasury bill, note, and bond issued by the US Treasury does indeed have a FIXED rate.

    But only for whatever their term is, which for the big government bonds like they sell to big banks or to China, might be as little as 1 year or even 90 days.

    Exactly.

    It would have been so nice if the “best and brightest” at Treasury would have extended the maturity of the debt, and locked in the low rates when, say, 30-year bonds were at 1.5-2.0%.

    But noooooo …

    Sometimes they try to extend the duration, but then they may not get bought, if buyers are concerned about higher inflation to come.  It can be the same thing now, they might not be able to sell long-term bonds even at 7% if there is concern that inflation might soon reach 9% or more.

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  28. GPentelie Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    My understanding is that most Treasury bonds are fixed rate:

    NOT just most. It’s ALL. EACH individual Treasury bill, note, and bond issued by the US Treasury does indeed have a FIXED rate.

    But only for whatever their term is, which for the big government bonds like they sell to big banks or to China, might be as little as 1 year or even 90 days.

    Exactly.

    It would have been so nice if the “best and brightest” at Treasury would have extended the maturity of the debt, and locked in the low rates when, say, 30-year bonds were at 1.5-2.0%.

    But noooooo …

    Sometimes they try to extend the duration, but then they may not get bought, if buyers are concerned about higher inflation to come. It can be the same thing now, they might not be able to sell long-term bonds even at 7% if there is concern that inflation might soon reach 9% or more.

    Very true, in regards to the current situation. The situation between 2015 and 2020, however, was quite different. In the absence of inflation concerns then, demand was robust even at those low rates. Missed opportunity, alas. 

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  29. MarciN Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):
    The U.S. government (or any government, for that matter) is NOT a FIXED-rate borrower (see NOTE below). It is an ADJUSTABLE-rate borrower. That’s why rising interest rates are a problem for it (and, therefore, for US “we the people”).

    My understanding is that most Treasury bonds are fixed rate:

    We sell Treasury Bonds for a term of either 20 or 30 years.

    Bonds pay a fixed rate of interest every six months until they mature.

    You can hold a bond until it matures or sell it before it matures.

    There are some new ones that are variable. I don’t remember what they are called. Perhaps that’s what you are referring to.

    All of the T-bills are more or less variable, because they come up for renewal occasionally, and since they can’t be paid back – the money isn’t available – they get re-sold/rolled over at whatever the current rate is.

    The ones I’m recalling were sort of like variable-rate mortgages. The interest rate changed but at set and fixed intervals. I’ve forgotten the name of them. And perhaps they were a short-lived experiment. 

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    GPentelie (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    My understanding is that most Treasury bonds are fixed rate:

    NOT just most. It’s ALL. EACH individual Treasury bill, note, and bond issued by the US Treasury does indeed have a FIXED rate.

    But only for whatever their term is, which for the big government bonds like they sell to big banks or to China, might be as little as 1 year or even 90 days.

    Exactly.

    It would have been so nice if the “best and brightest” at Treasury would have extended the maturity of the debt, and locked in the low rates when, say, 30-year bonds were at 1.5-2.0%.

    But noooooo …

    Sometimes they try to extend the duration, but then they may not get bought, if buyers are concerned about higher inflation to come. It can be the same thing now, they might not be able to sell long-term bonds even at 7% if there is concern that inflation might soon reach 9% or more.

    Very true, in regards to the current situation. The situation between 2015 and 2020, however, was quite different. In the absence of inflation concerns then, demand was robust even at those low rates. Missed opportunity, alas.

    I’ve read/heard, although I suppose it may not be true, that the Treasury Dept tries to get the longest terms possible for bond sales, but they have to make adjustments for what buyers will actually accept.  If they weren’t selling longer-term bonds between 2015 and 2020 it would seem to mean that nobody was willing to buy them.  Not that they didn’t try to sell them.

    And remember too, they can’t NOT sell the bonds.

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