Get Rid of George Santos

 

Following the discussions and analyses about the newly elected Congressman George Santos, we see another tragic revelation of how far our culture has fallen. Santos appears to be a compulsive liar with little to no redeeming attributes. And yet he was elected to Congress in New York. How could this happen?

If you are curious about the innumerable lies that Santos perpetrated, you can go here and here. I was especially disgusted by this claim:

He maintained he was Jewish, the grandchild of Jewish refugees who escaped the Holocaust. But it turns out he has no Jewish ancestors or any connection to the Holocaust. (He later said he “never claimed to be Jewish” but jokingly said he’s “Jew-ish”).

His joking about the claim makes him even more despicable.

Due to his outrageous claims, his fundraising activities have also been questioned:

Santos hasn’t offered many clear explanations. He has refused to directly answer questions on the matter and said last week that he would hold a press conference “soon” to “address everything.” In the meantime, his campaign treasurer resigned, and the man Santos initially said had taken the job said he had done no such thing.

The red flags, the opacity of it all, should shine a light on the dangerous swamp that is US election funding. Hiding a contribution by one person under another’s name is prohibited, but what is permitted is even more troubling.

The campaign watchdog Open Secrets has raised the alarm over so-called straw donors and shell companies that conceal real donors. They not only cover the tracks of people who may want their identity hidden but also conceal some who may be contributing illegally, injecting “dark money” to manipulate US democracy and lawmaking.

In response to this disgrace, Kevin McCarthy’s response has been less than satisfactory. He named Santos to the House Science, Space and Technology Committee and the Small Business Committee. Fortunately, Santos removed himself from those committees shortly thereafter. Given the shameful lies that Adam Schiff told, which were at least part of the reason for his removal from the Congressional House Intelligence Committee, how does McCarthy explain his accommodation of Santos?

At least Santos’ constituents are not standing down in light of his deceptions:

He said during an appearance on Steve Bannon’s’s War Room podcast this week that he would only resign if 142,000 asked him to do so—a reference to the more than 142,000 people who elected him in November.

Online petitions demanding his resignation continued to receive support only one week after he was sworn into office. Various petitions are nearing the threshold the GOP lawmaker mentioned, though his remarks were not binding and he could still stay in office regardless of how many signatures these petitions receive.

Is there any way to get rid of Santos? There are steps, but they aren’t easy ones to take. The Ethics Committee would need the support of the Republican majority in order to take action:

Should the Ethics Committee recommend expulsion, Mr Santos would only be removed if two-thirds of the House voted to support such an action. It’s theoretically possible, but much more likely that the embattled congressman would take the road more traveled: resignation.

Expulsion from Congress has only been carried out a handful of times by the lower chamber, the lion’s share of which stemmed from cases that arose during the Civil War or shortly thereafter.

In more recent years members have chosen to resign when it became clear that the House or law enforcement authorities were preparing to take action.

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But the most disheartening response came from Tara Isabella Burton, author of Self-Made: Curating our Identities from Da Vinci to the Kardashians. The interview was on NPR, where they decided not to discuss the truth or falsity of Santos’ claims, but to focus on the aspect of his success due to his being a “self-made man.” I was baffled by Burton’s willingness to laud those actions she claims to have been self-made attributes, where in an era of social media and disinformation, there is no longer nobility to be credited to those who become famous by any means available. Integrity, honesty, and dignity have no place among the modern aspirants labeled self-made. Although in the NPR discussion, they admitted that Santos had gained success through his lies and deception, they believed that he had earned the title of “self-made.” I disagree.

Frederick Douglass, a self-made man himself, described such a person this way:

Self-made men are the men who, under peculiar difficulties and without the ordinary helps of favoring circumstances, have attained knowledge, usefulness, power and position and have learned from themselves the best uses to which life can be put in this world, and in the exercises of these uses to build up worthy character. They are the men who owe little or nothing to birth, relationship, or friendly surroundings; to wealth inherited or to early approved means of education; who are what they are, without the aid of any favoring conditions by which other men usually rise in the world and achieve great results. . . They are in a peculiar sense indebted to themselves for themselves. If they have traveled far, they have made the road on which they have travelled. If they have ascended high, they have built their own ladder . . . Such men as these, whether found in one position or another, whether in the college or in the factory; whether professors or plowmen; whether Caucasian or Indian; whether Anglo-Saxon or Anglo-African, are self-made men and are entitled to a certain measure of respect for their success and for proving to the world the grandest possibilities of human nature, of whatever variety of race or color.

Plain and simple, Santos’ actions were despicable, making him unworthy to serve in Congress. He’s not a self-made man.

He’s a con man of the highest order.

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    But who would replace Santos, at least for a while? NY Gov Hochul?

    kedavis,

    I don’t know anything about the question of replacements. You would be a good judge of that question, not I.

    If you and other knowledgeable people discover that any available replacement would be worse than keeping Santos for the time being, then that would be a perfectly rational reason to do the latter.

    Unlike the reasoning that I attacked in my Comment, which is suicidal: “Whattabout the Democrat felon Fred Farkle? Don’t Republicans need to match the Democrats, psychopath for psychopath?”

    And if voters are willing to elect a liar etc, would you prefer that liar be a Democrat?

    No. That would be at least as stupid a policy as the one I argued against.

    If there’s less than 6 months before the next general election, a special election is required.  But what are the chances that, especially given enough time to gin up voter outrage etc, Santos wouldn’t be replaced by a Democrat?

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  2. Annefy Member
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    @Annefy

    While I hold Congress in very low regard, with the same opinion for the Executive Branch, I want to be clear that I am not using “whataboutism” in any way, shape or form. Nor does Santos’ party affiliation, or the state of our majority, come into play.

    Santos was elected. By the people who live in his district. They elected him, and if they are not happy with his performance as their representative, then they have the power to vote for someone else in less than two years.

    Were I in his district, I would not be happy that people thousands of miles away were pressuring their own congress person to get rid of mine.

    Elections matter. Or they don’t. If there is a concerted effort to remove George Santos, that’s just another nail in the coffin for elections. Maybe the last one …

    Edited to add: In my humble opinion, that’s a principled stand.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    Manny (View Comment):

    I may have said this on another Santos post. I don’t support throwing out someone duly elected. Yes, he was an outrageous liar but where was his opposition to dig out the truth? Where was the media to call him on it? Will throwing out congressmen for lying become a precedent? Politicians of all parties play with the truth every single election. Are we going to start throwing out politicians for fudging the truth on every election? I think such a precedent could only lead to trouble. We just have to bear with Santos for his term. I would be shocked if he got re-elected in 2024.

    But if he does, seems like it would be deserved.

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  4. Manny Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    I may have said this on another Santos post. I don’t support throwing out someone duly elected. Yes, he was an outrageous liar but where was his opposition to dig out the truth? Where was the media to call him on it? Will throwing out congressmen for lying become a precedent? Politicians of all parties play with the truth every single election. Are we going to start throwing out politicians for fudging the truth on every election? I think such a precedent could only lead to trouble. We just have to bear with Santos for his term. I would be shocked if he got re-elected in 2024.

    But if he does, seems like it would be deserved.

    If he gets re-elected with all this exposure, then his constituents want him. Where would it stop if you threw him out?  There is a significant size group that would love to throw out a particular politician who made vulgar tweets. This would start witch hunts against everyone. It’s too puritanical. 

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  5. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Annefy (View Comment):
    to be clear that I am not using “whataboutism” in any way, shape or form

    I agree. I wasn’t referring to you specifically.

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  6. Fritz Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    But who would replace Santos, at least for a while? NY Gov Hochul?

    I believe someone established that Hochul doesn’t the authority.

    IIRC, vacancies in the House are filled via special elections, not appointment. So no Hochul appointment, but I do think a special election would center on the Dems’ tarring with the Santos brush whoever the GOP put up. With such a slim majority, such a contest would present a great risk.

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  7. Postmodern Hoplite Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):
    However, I am not able to see any substantive difference between George Santos’ lies and those of numerous other elected Federal officials. His blatant mistruths are no more egregious than Joe Biden’s and many others. Demanding that the GOP enforce a higher level of party discipline on itself than the Democratic Party is willing to accept is unilateral disarmament. It is EXACTLY what the Dems and their enablers want. (“Let the GOP tear itself apart…pass the popcorn.”)

    What you and others are saying is, we’re no worse than anyone else. And because they’ve been disgusting in the past and are now, why should we care if we are?

    Absolutely fair question, 100%. And all I’ve got in reply is pure Machiavelli: if it is only one side in a fight that keeps to the rules, and thus loses to the side that mocks the rules, then the losing side isn’t playing by the rules. I want Santos gone, but only if the same set of rules is observed by both sets of opponents. 

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    Fritz (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    But who would replace Santos, at least for a while? NY Gov Hochul?

    I believe someone established that Hochul doesn’t the authority.

    IIRC, vacancies in the House are filled via special elections, not appointment. So no Hochul appointment, but I do think a special election would center on the Dems’ tarring with the Santos brush whoever the GOP put up. With such a slim majority, such a contest would present a great risk.

    The House replacements are a constitional issue, but 37 states including New York allow the governor to appoint a temporary replacement to the Senate.  And New York doesn’t require the replacement be from the same party as the one being replaced.  Only 9 states require that.

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  9. Mark Camp Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    But who would replace Santos, at least for a while? NY Gov Hochul?

    kedavis,

    I don’t know anything about the question of replacements. You would be a good judge of that question, not I.

    If you and other knowledgeable people discover that any available replacement would be worse than keeping Santos for the time being, then that would be a perfectly rational reason to do the latter.

    Unlike the reasoning that I attacked in my Comment, which is suicidal: “Whattabout the Democrat felon Fred Farkle? Don’t Republicans need to match the Democrats, psychopath for psychopath?”

    And if voters are willing to elect a liar etc, would you prefer that liar be a Democrat?

    No. That would be at least as stupid a policy as the one I argued against.

    If there’s less than 6 months before the next general election, a special election is required. But what are the chances that, especially given enough time to gin up voter outrage etc, Santos wouldn’t be replaced by a Democrat?

    I don’t know.  The other knowledge I lack is even more difficult to gain: all things considered, which result would be worse?  The analysis would be way over my head.  I’m like, I only know how to design the circuits to meet requirements and throw them over the transom.  Supply chain management, costing, and forecasting are too complicated for me.

    [EDIT: Susan, that paragraph just means I don’t know anything practical about politics, like names of politicians or what the bellwether precincts are…hold please, I’ve got to take this…”What was that, Susan?”…”Good question.  I don’t know why I didn’t just say that.”

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  10. Doug Watt Member
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    In my own acerbic way, it all boils down to the to the dumbing down of Americans. The Dumb Masses send dumb-asses to Washington DC. PJ O’Rourke summed it up nicely in his book title, ‘Parliament of Whores’. Angry women, and weak men have found a home in DC.

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  11. EJHill Podcaster
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    Doug WattUnfortunately, vetting candidates before they enter the arena is not a priority for any of the political parties. 

    Define the word “party.” After 1968 the word “party” became synonymous with the word “voters.” The party organizations don’t do the smoke filled back room thing anymore and that became the reason for the primaries.

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  12. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):
    His blatant mistruths are no more egregious than Joe Biden’s

    Biden has a lifetime of felonies and desires a lifetime in prison.

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  13. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):
    I want Santos gone, but only if the same set of rules is observed by both sets of opponents. 

    That seems fair.   For those arguing that Santos should be removed, is he the only dishonest Congress member you want removed?   If so, that seems irrational. 

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  14. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    Given that members of Congress are openly profiting from insider trading, the  administration is locking up political prisoners like some South American caudillo (putting them on trial in party-controlled where convictions are assured), drug cartels control our southwest border, the president’s son was influence peddling with full knowledge of the president, and the FBI is acting as the enforcement wing of the ruling party… I really can’t get too worked up because of the lies of one particular member of Congress.

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  15. Eustace C. Scrubb Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):
    His blatant mistruths are no more egregious than Joe Biden’s

    Biden has a lifetime of felonies and desires a lifetime in prison.

    He deserves prison. I think his desires now are limited to ice cream and sniffing.

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  16. Henry Racette Member
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    Santos is a scoundrel, no mistake. I think my party (that’s the Republicans) would do well to keep him off of committees and otherwise sideline him within Congress. However, I’m not aware of any mechanism that allows us to throw out a Congressman because he lied to get elected, so I’m content to let the fellow be primaried and (hopefully) ejected the next time around.

    Gary mentioned Roy Moore in an earlier comment. I virtually never oppose a Republican nominee, because I think majorities are critical, but I opposed Roy Moore because of the special kind of judicial corruption he represented. Santos’ sins are of the more conventional I’ll-say-anything-to-get-elected variety, much like President Branden’s, and so not terribly offensive to me. I think the best thing for the GOP is to acknowledge that he’s dishonest, make it obvious that he isn’t going to achieve prominence in the House, and support a primary challenger in two years.

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  17. The Reticulator Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Santos is a scoundrel, no mistake. I think my party (that’s the Republicans) would do well to keep him off of committees and otherwise sideline him within Congress. However, I’m not aware of any mechanism that allows us to throw out a Congressman because he lied to get elected, so I’m content to let the fellow be primaried and (hopefully) ejected the next time around.

    Gary mentioned Roy Moore in an earlier comment. I virtually never oppose a Republican nominee, because I think majorities are critical, but I opposed Roy Moore because of the special kind of judicial corruption he represented. Santos’ sins are of the more conventional I’ll-say-anything-to-get-elected variety, much like President Branden’s, and so not terribly offensive to me. I think the best thing for the GOP is to acknowledge that he’s dishonest, make it obvious that he isn’t going to achieve prominence in the House, and support a primary challenger in two years.

    And let the Democrats fume over finding out that theirs isn’t the only party that will tolerate corrupt politicians in its ranks. 

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Santos is a scoundrel, no mistake. I think my party (that’s the Republicans) would do well to keep him off of committees and otherwise sideline him within Congress. However, I’m not aware of any mechanism that allows us to throw out a Congressman because he lied to get elected, so I’m content to let the fellow be primaried and (hopefully) ejected the next time around.

    Gary mentioned Roy Moore in an earlier comment. I virtually never oppose a Republican nominee, because I think majorities are critical, but I opposed Roy Moore because of the special kind of judicial corruption he represented. Santos’ sins are of the more conventional I’ll-say-anything-to-get-elected variety, much like President Branden’s, and so not terribly offensive to me. I think the best thing for the GOP is to acknowledge that he’s dishonest, make it obvious that he isn’t going to achieve prominence in the House, and support a primary challenger in two years.

    And let the Democrats fume over finding out that theirs isn’t the only party that will tolerate corrupt politicians in its ranks.

    If Santos was expelled, Hochul and others in NY would just bitch about how it’s all just a trick to make them spend money on another election so soon after the one Santos won.

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  19. Flicker Coolidge
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    We had an election once in which one man was going to be elected and he alone would cast the deciding vote for or against 0bamacare.  And the Republican won, and he voted for 0bamacare.   Voting for the party block makes a big difference between winning and losing — big time.

    Before this OP I didn’t know or care about Santos.  I read the headline and thought he must be a Democrat.  And I thought, well, the Democrats sure aren’t going to give him up to — at the moment I thought removal and a new election — by chance being replaced by a Republican.  And if they can’t find a single replacement of any higher virtue, that’s their bad luck, but so be it.  I had put myself in the Democrats shoes.

    Then I read that he was a Republican.  And I thought, well, if we can’t find a replacement of any higher virtue, that’s our bad luck, so be it — we don’t want to lose to on the next big 0bamacare.

    And yes, as someone pointed out, we don’t kick out representatives for lying during a campaign — ever.  If we did, we’d have few to no representatives in congress (which would actually probably be a good thing).

    And now I read that the governor of New York can appoint a replacement regardless of the ousted member’s party affiliation.  Does anyone really want to lose this vote?

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    And now I read that the governor of New York can appoint a replacement regardless of the ousted member’s party affiliation.  Does anyone really want to lose this vote?

    That seems to be only for the Senate, not the House.  Probably because the House only has 2-year terms.  For the House, if a member has to be replaced, unless there’s already an election coming within 6 months, they have to have a special election in that state/district.

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  21. TBA Coolidge
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    We could use the warm body with the accompanying votes in the House, which is all we’ve got. 

    He sucks, but I’m not interested in making the kind of effort it would take to oust him as it would only draw more attention to him in the meantime.  

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  22. thelonious Member
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    This guy is hilarious. All this shows is the incompetence of the media and the Democrat party. Pre-election, a few google searches probably would have shown this guy is a fraud. They come up with fantastical stories of Trump, urine and hookers in Russia, yet they can’t do simple opposition research. We deserve jokes like this.

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  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    thelonious (View Comment):

    This guy is hilarious. All this shows is the incompetence of the media and the Democrat party. Pre-election, a few google searches probably would have shown this guy is a fraud. They come up with fantastical stories of Trump, urine and hookers in Russia, yet they can’t do simple opposition research. We deserve jokes like this.

    Meanwhile, if we had “outed” him and a Democrat won instead, maybe we wouldn’t have even marginal control of the House, and hence Speaker McCarthy.

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  24. Flicker Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    And now I read that the governor of New York can appoint a replacement regardless of the ousted member’s party affiliation. Does anyone really want to lose this vote?

    That seems to be only for the Senate, not the House. Probably because the House only has 2-year terms. For the House, if a member has to be replaced, unless there’s already an election coming within 6 months, they have to have a special election in that state/district.

    Well, okay.  Do you really think the Republicans will win the new election?

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  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    And now I read that the governor of New York can appoint a replacement regardless of the ousted member’s party affiliation. Does anyone really want to lose this vote?

    That seems to be only for the Senate, not the House. Probably because the House only has 2-year terms. For the House, if a member has to be replaced, unless there’s already an election coming within 6 months, they have to have a special election in that state/district.

    Well, okay. Do you really think the Republicans will win the new election?

    No, I’m one of those who wouldn’t risk it, as I commented earlier.  He’s useful in keeping a majority, at least for now, and who knows, in 2 years he might even be re-elected.

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  26. Mark Camp Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Meanwhile, if we had “outed” him and a Democrat won instead, maybe we wouldn’t have even marginal control of the House, and hence Speaker McCarthy.

    Who’s this “we”?

    I know the answer: “we Republicans“.

    Here’s another example of the above common usage.  Same form, same question, from the very same thread, but…different answer!

    Flicker (View Comment):
    We had an election once in which one man was going to be elected and he alone would cast the deciding vote for or against 0bamacare.  And the Republican won, and he voted for 0bamacare. *

    Again we must ask, “Who’s this ‘we’?

    But here it doesn’t mean “we Republicans.”  It means, “we who did not believe in obamacare, as a matter of principle“.

    Moral: “We” is a tricky word.  Watch out for it.

     

    * [Emphasis removed, different emphasis added]

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  27. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):
    For those arguing that Santos should be removed, is he the only dishonest Congress member you want removed?   If so, that seems irrational

    To try to remove every dishonest Congress member is irrational.

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  28. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Santos’ sins are of the more conventional I’ll-say-anything-to-get-elected variety, much like President Branden’s, and so not terribly offensive to me.

    There could be illegal fundraising activities. But of course, no one wants to look into those.

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  29. Mark Camp Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):
    For those arguing that Santos should be removed, is he the only dishonest Congress member you want removed? If so, that seems irrational

    To try to remove every dishonest Congress member is irrational.

    Susan, and others who have made the same argument,

    When I say, “George Santos is a liar[1]” and “Every member of Congress is a liar[2]” the word “liar” has two different meanings, and the difference is qualitative, not quantitative.

    The distinction lies in the pattern of his past actions, and also in his presumably persistent nature as evidenced by that pattern.  The intents of any remedy for the state called “being a liar[1]” are multiple.

    With respect to the past actions, one creates consequences in order (a) to limit the damage caused by bad precedent, or  (b) to administer punishment. Or as in and/or.  “Exclusive OR” and/or “EXOR”, as the logicians and programmers like to say.

    With respect to the degree to which the offender is given discretionary powers for the future that will permit him to do more of the same, the purpose is more direct: to block him from doing the harm that he is clearly likely to do, absent any evidence that he has reformed himself.  (And pathological liars can’t reform themselves, I reckon.  We should ask Bryan or another expert to confirm that.)

    Having a Member who is a liar [1] is a problem to be carefully weighed, and perhaps acted upon,  by a person or group that is in a unique position to do something about it.  Like the Speaker (who has already acted on it) EXOR the Republican caucus EXOR the House.  

    If a certain member is a liar[2] AND is NOT a liar[1], then there is no cause for action.

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  30. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Gary mentioned Roy Moore in an earlier comment. I virtually never oppose a Republican nominee, because I think majorities are critical, but I opposed Roy Moore because of the special kind of judicial corruption he represented.

    Was that special corruption the display of the 10 Commandments?

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