What’s a TV Show?

 

Television was widely anticipated for a half-century before it finally appeared in the home. You see it as futuristic science fiction in films like Metropolis, Things to Come, Transatlantic Tunnel, and Modern Times. Someday it would provide to every American a front-row seat at public events, like the inauguration of a president, a horse race, or the World Series. There’d be live remote broadcasts from big city theaters, with dramas, operas, and vaudeville, as in International House, complete with pretty singers, leggy dancers, and black comedians. All of that would eventually come to pass, in one form or another. Live news events, sports, and variety are mainstays of television even today. But when we say the words “Last night I watched a TV show,” what we usually have in mind is different.

There was a blank spot in science fiction writers’ imaginations: scripted entertainment. One simple, obvious thing these tele-viewers of tomorrow never seemed to do in these futuristic visions was spend any couch time watching TV, at least in the sense that we know the term. The futurists of the 1920s didn’t anticipate that very soon we’d have a national habit of hanging out each week with the likes of the Ricardos and the Kramdens. Flash Gordon never kicked back with a cold brew to catch an episode of The Adventures of Superman. Inventing television was hard enough; inventing the kinds of programs and formats that people would want to see, week after week, took another kind of talent. In retrospect, it all happened quickly, but it didn’t happen overnight.

TV shows differ in all sorts of ways, but almost anywhere in the world even children recognize the basics (*): a fictional program, either dramatic or comic, that mostly features the same group of characters in every episode. It has catchy theme music, opening titles, and a closing list of people who worked on the show. It’s always aired at the same time of day, every week if it’s new, every weekday if it’s old. That time slot is either 30 or 60 minutes long, no more and no less.

Live television owes much to theater. But plays don’t have strict running times. You don’t go to a theater every week to see a continuation of last week’s play. Filmed television owes a lot to movies, with their camera angles, lighting, musical soundtracks, and editing. But neither theater plays nor movies are interrupted every ten minutes for announcements hawking the sale of cars or weight-loss pills. Television learned it from radio broadcasting, which invented time slots, commercials, and a continuing cast of actors. We’re all so familiar with the format that we’ve long since forgotten how artificial it is.

(* Naturally, there are always creative exceptions. There are anthology shows with different actors each week, like Kraft Suspense Theater or The Twilight Zone. There are entertainment offshoots like game shows, and oddball premises like Sing Along with Mitch, Candid Camera, and Bishop Fulton J. Sheen’s Life Is Worth Living. But I’m talking plain ol’ regular TV shows: Kojak and Sgt. Bilko, Father Knows Best, and The Shield.)

Hollywood had experience in visual storytelling, technicians, and equipment ready to go on location, warehouses full of bought-and-paid-for scripts, and access to big-name talent, if only they would play ball with the networks. But they wouldn’t, not at first. Big studios not only refused to produce new material for TV, they initially refused to sell broadcast rights to their film libraries. That’s why the schedules of local stations in my childhood were loaded with fourth-rate films from third-rate studios: because the majors wouldn’t do it.

Stepping eagerly into the gap, many smaller independent companies were formed to make film series for television, the ones the big boys wouldn’t do. Some of the most famous companies were owned by film actors, like Desilu (Desi Arnaz and Lucille Ball), Mark VII Productions (Jack Webb), and Four Star (David Niven, Charles Boyer, Dick Powell, and Ida Lupino).

In 1948, one of these new start-up companies, Imppro, (Independent Motion Picture Productions), signed a contract with CBS to produce 12 episodes of a detective show, The Cases of Eddie Drake, to be filmed on the west coast at a cost of $7,500 per half-hour episode, mere peanuts even by 1948 standards. By the end of the year, eight episodes were in the can, and then a mysterious interlude began. The show would have been one of the first, Hollywood-made film shows on the air, but it didn’t get there until DuMont, the runt of the network litter, bought it in 1952. Four years was an eon in early TV time. Like a fly in amber, it was by then a well-preserved fossil of a little-seen past. By ’52, there were plenty of filmed shows, and they’d started to develop a certain style.

But in ’48, they hadn’t, not quite yet. Eddie Drake doesn’t have an eye-catching animated opening with easy-to-remember theme music. It opens like a low-low-budget Hollywood feature of the late Thirties, with a stationary title card. Like a radio show, it has a framing device; each episode is supposedly a story being told by a hard-boiled detective to a psychiatrist writing a book about criminal behavior. Okay, all right, I’ll say it: “a beautiful lady psychiatrist.” Her main acting job is raising her eyebrows at descriptions of other women.

The most prolific of the non-studio TV show factories was Ziv Productions, owned by a colorful, swashbuckling independent named Frederick Ziv. If you are film savvy, you’ve probably heard of Roger Corman. He was a moneymaking producer of cheap action and horror films, but often with a sense of class, a touch of style. Fred Ziv can fairly be called the Roger Corman of early television, before the big studios changed their minds about producing TV shows.

From 1950 through 1956, he produced The Cisco Kid, one of TV’s earliest westerns, and one of the first television series anywhere in the world to be filmed in color. This was expensive, by penny-pinching Ziv standards, and the introduction of color TV was delayed for years longer than expected. But once it did arrive, in the mid-Fifties, The Cisco Kid was one of the few color programs that small local stations could afford, so it finally paid off for Ziv.

One of Ziv Productions’ biggest-ever hits, I Led 3 Lives (1953-’57), was never on prime-time network TV, but it attracted high ratings for local stations all over the country. Only five years after the primitive-looking beginnings of The Cases of Eddie Drake, I Led 3 Lives is a great example of how much and how quickly TV producers had learned about making shows that kept viewers in seats.

Each episode begins with a dramatic musical and visual flourish as the show’s stark logotype swoops onto the cover of the book the show is based on, the memoirs of Herbert Philbrick, who infiltrated the Communist party for the FBI. The narrator intones the show’s premise, reminding the audience of the basics, and says a few words about tonight’s story.

Most episodes involve the hero foiling an act of Moscow-commanded, US Communist party sabotage or espionage. There are no gadgets, no stunt work, no gunplay, just a Dragnet-style procedural about the often-dull daily work of microfilming documents, updating cipher codes, and attending Party meetings. Ziv made a virtue of necessity, using real locations long before that was fashionable. He was too cheap to build sets.

The show was crafted to build tension and suspense before every break for a commercial. When the show came back from commercials, it featured a “bumper”—a short segment of film with that distinctive I Led 3 Lives logo again, to remind you where you were and get you back in its mood. ‘Bumpers” were a small, clever idea that stuck.

At the end of the show, the actor playing Herbert Philbrick said a few words about next week’s episode and then wished us good night. Note that at that time, there was no awareness that this show might be seen any other way than once a week, in the evening. Then the dramatic musical theme plays over the closing credit roll.

Now that’s what a TV show looks like. By then, other early shows like Susie, Topper, My Little Margie, and The Millionaire were mastering the skill of “speaking in television.” Later in the Fifties, the studios caved in, and were soon competing with each other’s new television production divisions. Hollywood films stopped routinely ridiculing their small-screen cousins, as in 1957’s Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter? This was roughly the point at which most American intellectuals decided that they despised TV. There would be exceptions; William Faulkner’s favorite show was Car 54, Where Are You?

The contents of TV writing have shifted with the culture, but the habits and conventions of TV shows have proven to be remarkably durable over the decades. Minor adjustments do get made, like minimizing the changeover point between shows so viewers won’t be tempted to change the channel. For a long time now, the unions and guilds have okayed speeded-up end credits of an outgoing show to be displayed at unreadable size in a small box within the big picture of the incoming show. Plus, the next show begins immediately, delaying its opening credits by a minute.

Today’s streaming era cuts TV loose from narrow selections constrained by broadcast or cable bandwidth, and from being anchored in specific show times. Yet despite new technology, like small high-quality cameras that can go anywhere, few attempts to alter the boundaries of what a TV show is have succeeded.

Fact is, whether we’ve ever thought about it or not, our unstated preferences make it clear that most of us don’t really want our TV shows to be too much like the real world.

We expect modern cop shows to be “dark,” “edgy,” “gritty,” exploring depths of evil. So CSI, set in one of the world’s sunniest major cities, often does its work in the stygian darkness of derelict buildings, basements, lethal meat lockers, and other places of nightmarish shadows, requiring intensely bright little flashlights.

And on the other hand, we expect comedy shows to subconsciously clue us into the fun with shiny, uniform brightness. Some of this is for technical reasons: for example, the bars even in the shows of our esteemed R> brother Rob Long, like Cheers and Sullivan and Son, can never be too real; after all, real bars adjust their 24/7 room lighting according to the “Nobody’s ugly at two a.m.” principle. Dimly lit barflies trying to hide their wedding rings just doesn’t signal “romcom” like a brightly lit, eminently presentable Sam and Diane do. Plus, there’s the issue of sound. Real bars have blaring jukeboxes and are crowded with loud people, often cheering a game on TV. Having to shout over the noise isn’t the best environment for precision joke-telling.

Audiences prefer TV shows with situations and characters that ring true to life, sure, but ones that are in an artificially heightened comedy or action bubble that seldom encounters the real world. All over the world, (and in our part of the world, for three-quarters of a century), we want shows to be original and familiar, novel and predictable. Most of the time, we’re more or less satisfied with what we see, so we snap on the TV and keep watching.

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  1. Judge Mental Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

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    Yes, the benefactor was kinda like Bosley on the original Charlie’s Angels. Just a voice on a speaker phone…

    Charlie was the voice on the phone, and Bosley his representative to the Angels. But that’s sometimes hard to remember when you only ever see Bosley.

    I can’t believe that made it that long without someone noticing. Well done!

    Oh, we noticed.

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  2. Miffed White Male Member
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

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    Yes, the benefactor was kinda like Bosley on the original Charlie’s Angels. Just a voice on a speaker phone…

    Charlie was the voice on the phone, and Bosley his representative to the Angels. But that’s sometimes hard to remember when you only ever see Bosley.

    I can’t believe that made it that long without someone noticing. Well done!

    Oh, we noticed.

    Sure you did.

     

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  3. Gary McVey Contributor
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    The Saint did run on NBC but not as part of the Mystery wheel. It was an ITV production and ran its first two seasons as a syndicated show in the States. After NBC ran it successfully as a summer replacement they picked up the final two years and paid ITV to film in “colour.”

    Because there was no commercial pressure on the UK networks, the BBC and ITV didn’t start broadcasting in color until November of 1969. BBC2, built from scratch, went on the air in color in 1967.

    Which may also be why the last US series purportedly telecast in Black and White was on PBS: Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood.

    European TV had all sorts of different line standards after the war. The British were on 405 lines; the Germans and most of the others, 441; the French had an incredible 819, true high definition but only in black and white. They all agreed to standardize new channels on a standard of 625 lines, but split on how to encode the color signal. Most went with the German standard, PAL; the Communist countries agreed to use the new French system, SECAM. As a result, east Germans and west Germans could watch each other’s TV shows, though only in black and white.

    And we settled on NTSC: Never Twice the Same Color.

    The British irreverently referred to SECAM as France’s “Supreme Effort Contre les Americains”. 

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  4. Gary McVey Contributor
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

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    Yes, the benefactor was kinda like Bosley on the original Charlie’s Angels. Just a voice on a speaker phone…

    Charlie was the voice on the phone, and Bosley his representative to the Angels. But that’s sometimes hard to remember when you only ever see Bosley.

    I can’t believe that made it that long without someone noticing. Well done!

    Oh, we noticed.

    Sure you did.

     

    Looking through the thread, I have to fess up: I misidentified the director of Seven Days in May as Sidney Lumet. Actually, it was a fellow former director of live TV, John Frankenheimer. 

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  5. Judge Mental Member
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    Yes, the benefactor was kinda like Bosley on the original Charlie’s Angels. Just a voice on a speaker phone…

    Charlie was the voice on the phone, and Bosley his representative to the Angels. But that’s sometimes hard to remember when you only ever see Bosley.

    I can’t believe that made it that long without someone noticing. Well done!

    Oh, we noticed.

    Sure you did.

     

    Looking through the thread, I have to fess up: I misidentified the director of Seven Days in May as Sidney Lumet. Actually, it was a fellow former director of live TV, John Frankenheimer.

    That, I did not notice.

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  6. Miffed White Male Member
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    Yes, the benefactor was kinda like Bosley on the original Charlie’s Angels. Just a voice on a speaker phone…

    Charlie was the voice on the phone, and Bosley his representative to the Angels. But that’s sometimes hard to remember when you only ever see Bosley.

    I can’t believe that made it that long without someone noticing. Well done!

    Oh, we noticed.

    Sure you did.

     

    Looking through the thread, I have to fess up: I misidentified the director of Seven Days in May as Sidney Lumet. Actually, it was a fellow former director of live TV, John Frankenheimer.

    That, I did not notice.

    Sure you didn’t.

     

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  7. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

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    Yes, the benefactor was kinda like Bosley on the original Charlie’s Angels. Just a voice on a speaker phone…

    Charlie was the voice on the phone, and Bosley his representative to the Angels. But that’s sometimes hard to remember when you only ever see Bosley.

    I can’t believe that made it that long without someone noticing. Well done!

    Oh, we noticed.

    Sure you did.

    We did, we just didn’t want to embarrass OccupantCDN by calling attention to it.

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  8. Gary McVey Contributor
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    Well, we’ve timed out of the Trending list, so it’s just us now, the tough and the dedicated. Dedicated to TV history…

    Yep, it’s Marilyn. Before movie stardom, there was an appearance on local TV. 

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  9. Charlotte Member
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    Well, we’ve timed out of the Trending list, so it’s just us now, the tough and the dedicated. Dedicated to TV history…

    Yep, it’s Marilyn. Before movie stardom, there was an appearance on local TV.

    Yikes, that camera is ruhl close.

    Also, dig the socks-n-sandals look on the cameraman. 

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  10. Gary McVey Contributor
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    Note: at least in my household, father is still voting conservative.

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  11. Judge Mental Member
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    Well, we’ve timed out of the Trending list, so it’s just us now, the tough and the dedicated. Dedicated to TV history…

    Yep, it’s Marilyn. Before movie stardom, there was an appearance on local TV.

    Probably still Norma Jean.

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  12. Gary McVey Contributor
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    A bit of early Fifties TV history that was left out of the post: DuMont’s Electronicam. As film shows began to take over from three-camera live shows, DuMont offered this brief-lived hybrid system, used for The Honeymooners. That show was three camera live, but the TV cameras were twinned with 35mm film cameras, so the show would have value in reruns. 

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  13. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Yes, the benefactor was kinda like Bosley on the original Charlie’s Angels. Just a voice on a speaker phone…

    Charlie was the voice on the phone, and Bosley his representative to the Angels. But that’s sometimes hard to remember when you only ever see Bosley.

    I can’t believe that made it that long without someone noticing. Well done!

    Oh, we noticed.

    Sure you did.

    We did, we just didn’t want to embarrass OccupantCDN by calling attention to it.

    I am not embarrassed to be corrected.

    Granted, I havent seen Charlies Angels since I was a child. … I was 9 when Charlies Angels first went on the air… But I always thought the episode started with the girls around the speaker phone getting their assignments from a boss they never met….

    OK … The Pilot:

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  14. Judge Mental Member
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    Yes, the benefactor was kinda like Bosley on the original Charlie’s Angels. Just a voice on a speaker phone…

    Charlie was the voice on the phone, and Bosley his representative to the Angels. But that’s sometimes hard to remember when you only ever see Bosley.

    I can’t believe that made it that long without someone noticing. Well done!

    Oh, we noticed.

    Sure you did.

    We did, we just didn’t want to embarrass OccupantCDN by calling attention to it.

    I am not embarrassed to be corrected.

    Granted, I havent seen Charlies Angels since I was a child. … I was 9 when Charlies Angels first went on the air… But I always thought the episode started with the girls around the speaker phone getting their assignments from a boss they never met….

    Correct.  That was Charlie, voiced by John Forsythe.  Bosley was the dude in the office who called them in to listen to the call from Charlie.

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  15. Gary McVey Contributor
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    Yes, the benefactor was kinda like Bosley on the original Charlie’s Angels. Just a voice on a speaker phone…

    Charlie was the voice on the phone, and Bosley his representative to the Angels. But that’s sometimes hard to remember when you only ever see Bosley.

    I can’t believe that made it that long without someone noticing. Well done!

    Oh, we noticed.

    Sure you did.

    We did, we just didn’t want to embarrass OccupantCDN by calling attention to it.

    I am not embarrassed to be corrected.

    Granted, I havent seen Charlies Angels since I was a child. … I was 9 when Charlies Angels first went on the air… But I always thought the episode started with the girls around the speaker phone getting their assignments from a boss they never met….

    Correct. That was Charlie, voiced by John Forsythe. Bosley was the dude in the office who called them in to listen to the call from Charlie.

    Kate Jackson played a competitive runner in Jog, a student film I worked on, made in the spring of 1970. She was an okay actress, better than average for student filmmaking. Kate was reasonably attractive but there was no mysterious magic that suggested that she’d end up in a TV show regarded as the height of Seventies Babedom.

    At the time she also had one of the strongest southern accents I’d ever heard. In the film someone asks her how she placed in her most recent foot race. “First”, she said. We filmed that one word more than a dozen times, as it kept sounding something like “Fuurst”.

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  16. Bishop Wash Member
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):

     

    Note: at least in my household, father is still voting conservative.

    See, Biden wasn’t mistaken. President Franklin Roosevelt did go on television to calm the nation after the Crash of ’29.

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  17. Gary McVey Contributor
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    Note: at least in my household, father is still voting conservative.

    See, Biden wasn’t mistaken. President Franklin Roosevelt did go on television to calm the nation after the Crash of ’29.

    Vladimir Zworykin probably snapped off the set and said, “Damn! I’d better get down to Wall Street and sell my RCA stock!”

    Yep, it takes a certain kind of half-educated blowhard to make Biden’s remarks. Here’s what I think is an actual list of presidential TV appearances before 1946–

    Herbert Hoover participated in an AT&T demonstration, a wired connection between New York and Washington in 1927. But he was only the Secretary of Commerce; he wouldn’t be president for more than a year. 

    FDR opened the New York World’s Fair in April 1939, broadcast by NBC. He was great on the radio, but never really warmed to TV. He did write to Franklin Graham (Billy’s father) that he looked forward to the day when campaigning could be done by television without all the traveling.

    The 1940 political conventions were broadcast in Philadelphia and New York; the Republicans “live”, the Democrats, meeting in Chicago, only via film. In those days, incumbent presidents didn’t attend their own renomination, so FDR accepted via radio, with his voice coming through the PA system at the convention hall. He was filmed by newsreel cameras at the White House making the declaration, and that film was on the next express train to NY, where it was aired that night. Not exactly a TV appearance, but close enough. 

    FDR was televised live–his first time since 1939–during a Madison Square Garden speech in the 1944 campaign. That was the last time he was on TV. He declined to do a closed circuit speech from the White House to a Democratic fundraiser later that year. 

    FDR’s TV set at his home in Hyde Park, in upstate New York. 

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  18. Percival Thatcher
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    FDR didn’t address the nation in 1929. He was still Governor of New York.

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  19. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Percival (View Comment):

    FDR didn’t address the nation in 1929. He was still Governor of New York.

    We know.  Several years ago Joe Biden was talking about how following the stock market crash, FDR went on television to calm the nation’s fears.

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  20. The Reticulator Member
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    FDR didn’t address the nation in 1929. He was still Governor of New York.

    We know. Several years ago Joe Biden was talking about how following the stock market crash, FDR went on television to calm the nation’s fears.

    Maybe Biden just got himself mixed up with FDR.  He sometimes gets confused about things.

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  21. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    FDR didn’t address the nation in 1929. He was still Governor of New York.

    We know. Several years ago Joe Biden was talking about how following the stock market crash, FDR went on television to calm the nation’s fears.

    Maybe Biden just got himself mixed up with FDR. He sometimes gets confused about things.

    Indeed.  Joe Biden he has said Kamela Harris is president.  While running for president in 2020 he sometimes told people to vote Joe Biden for Senate.  He can’t remember that someone died just a few months after he made public comments about the deceased.

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  22. Judge Mental Member
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    FDR didn’t address the nation in 1929. He was still Governor of New York.

    We know. Several years ago Joe Biden was talking about how following the stock market crash, FDR went on television to calm the nation’s fears.

    Maybe Biden just got himself mixed up with FDR. He sometimes gets confused about things.

    Remember that Joe went to jail when he tried to meet with FDR in prison.

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  23. Gary McVey Contributor
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    I posted this in the PIT last summer. These “brand new” cameras were made during WWII to guide flying bombs and drone aircraft. After the war, almost every (actually) new TV camera had an image orthicon tube. These Army-Navy cameras were iconoscopes, 1930s technology. In the Fifties, radio amateurs who wanted to go into TV bought them. 

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  24. Percival Thatcher
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    I posted this in the PIT last summer. These “brand new” cameras were made during WWII to guide flying bombs and drone aircraft. After the war, almost every (actually) new TV camera had an image orthicon tube. These Army-Navy cameras were iconoscopes, 1930s technology. In the Fifties, radio amateurs who wanted to go into TV bought them.

    I was thinking “Army-Navy surplus” as I was scanning the ad.

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  25. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    FDR didn’t address the nation in 1929. He was still Governor of New York.

    We know. Several years ago Joe Biden was talking about how following the stock market crash, FDR went on television to calm the nation’s fears.

    Maybe Biden just got himself mixed up with FDR. He sometimes gets confused about things.

    Remember that Joe went to jail when he tried to meet with FDR in prison.

    And that was a PUERTO RICAN prison, so….dude…..

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  26. Judge Mental Member
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    FDR didn’t address the nation in 1929. He was still Governor of New York.

    We know. Several years ago Joe Biden was talking about how following the stock market crash, FDR went on television to calm the nation’s fears.

    Maybe Biden just got himself mixed up with FDR. He sometimes gets confused about things.

    Remember that Joe went to jail when he tried to meet with FDR in prison.

    And that was a PUERTO RICAN prison, so….dude…..

    Some bad hombres in there.

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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

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    FDR didn’t address the nation in 1929. He was still Governor of New York.

    We know. Several years ago Joe Biden was talking about how following the stock market crash, FDR went on television to calm the nation’s fears.

    Maybe Biden just got himself mixed up with FDR. He sometimes gets confused about things.

    Remember that Joe went to jail when he tried to meet with FDR in prison.

    And that was a PUERTO RICAN prison, so….dude…..

    Some bad hombres in there.

    Like Corn Pop?

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    FDR didn’t address the nation in 1929. He was still Governor of New York.

    We know. Several years ago Joe Biden was talking about how following the stock market crash, FDR went on television to calm the nation’s fears.

    Maybe Biden just got himself mixed up with FDR. He sometimes gets confused about things.

    Remember that Joe went to jail when he tried to meet with FDR in prison.

    And that was a PUERTO RICAN prison, so….dude…..

    Some bad hombres in there.

    Like Corn Pop?

    Palomita de Maiz.

     
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  29. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    In those days, if a president spoke, we usually gave him a respectful hearing, and in those days, agree with him or not, they could deliver a speech crisply. Looks like the senior class at a Catholic high school in the background.

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  30. Bishop Wash Member
    Bishop Wash
    @BishopWash

    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    In those days, if a president spoke, we usually gave him a respectful hearing, and in those days, agree with him or not, they could deliver a speech crisply.

    Later people would interrupt the President to broadcast a commercial. 

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