Score One for Putin

 

Back in February, American basketball player Brittney Griner was arrested in Russia for possession of marijuana.  This was not her first problem with the law.  Here in the States, she pled guilty to domestic violence after beating up her girlfriend last year.  She was sentenced to a 26-week domestic violence counseling program.

Russia, however, did not feel that a marijuana counseling program would be helpful to Ms. Griner, and sentenced her to 10 years in prison for drug possession.  Until, that is, she was released in a prisoner exchange for Viktor Bout.  Mr. Bout has had problems with the law as well:

Bout, known as the “Merchant of Death,” was sentenced in 2012 to 25 years in prison on four counts of conspiring to kill Americans, acquiring and exporting anti-aircraft missiles, and sending material aid to a terrorist entity. The criminal was arrested in 2008 in a Thailand sting operation and was accused of providing weapons, which the U.S. alleges were intended to kill Americans, to the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia. Biden signed Bout’s commutation order ending his prison term early.

So Russia gives us a dopehead basketball player.  And we give Russia “the Merchant of Death.”  And President Biden, apparently, thought this was a good deal.

America is the most powerful country in the world.  And it is being led by fools.

We have a problem.  And so does the rest of the world.

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  1. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Bout’s history was much more complicated than what is let on. From the early 1990s until 2005 or so, Bout was working with American intelligence in getting weapons out of the former Soviet Union and its republics and selling them on to approved intelligence clients. This gave them plausible deniability. Then Putin stepped in and stopped the cooperation. What’s a poor merchant of death to do other than cooperate?

    And as for the release, perhaps the Biden family is simply diversifying. With all the weapons going into Ukraine that are unaccounted for, who better to have as their sales rep?

    Perhaps you could give us a source for your information.

    That a substantial amount of the weapons we’re sending are disappearing into the black hole of Ukraine and nobody knows what’s happening to them?

    You weren’t aware of that? Why do you think there have been so many calls for audits?

    That has nothing do with my specific question.

    Okay, I don’t have the time right now to look up all the news stories, but remind me later. Though I’m sure you’ll have no trouble yourself. This is precisely why there have been so many calls for auditing both the money and the weaponry we sent to Ukraine. Because nobody is keeping track. We even have a Ukrainian member of Congress, Victoria Spartz, a Republican, who called for an audit and suggested these weapons were ending up in Syria or Russia. She was immediately branded a Putin stooge for daring to suggest an audit was needed. (And by members of her own Party.)

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  2. Dr. Bastiat Member
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  3. The Reticulator Member
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Bout’s history was much more complicated than what is let on. From the early 1990s until 2005 or so, Bout was working with American intelligence in getting weapons out of the former Soviet Union and its republics and selling them on to approved intelligence clients. This gave them plausible deniability. Then Putin stepped in and stopped the cooperation. What’s a poor merchant of death to do other than cooperate?

    And as for the release, perhaps the Biden family is simply diversifying. With all the weapons going into Ukraine that are unaccounted for, who better to have as their sales rep?

    Perhaps you could give us a source for your information.

    I know, I know! The Ukrainians sold the weapons to the Russians for cash, which is why the Russians have been driven back in Kharkiv and Kherson. I pulled that information out of a bodily orifice, which seems to be the same source for a lot of information these days. 

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  4. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Bout’s history was much more complicated than what is let on. From the early 1990s until 2005 or so, Bout was working with American intelligence in getting weapons out of the former Soviet Union and its republics and selling them on to approved intelligence clients. This gave them plausible deniability. Then Putin stepped in and stopped the cooperation. What’s a poor merchant of death to do other than cooperate?

    And as for the release, perhaps the Biden family is simply diversifying. With all the weapons going into Ukraine that are unaccounted for, who better to have as their sales rep?

    Perhaps you could give us a source for your information.

    I know, I know! The Ukrainians sold the weapons to the Russians for cash, which is why the Russians have been driven back in Kharkiv and Kherson. I pulled that information out of a bodily orifice, which seems to be the same source for a lot of information these days.

    Yes, I know. Which is why I’m forced to keep reminding people of what’s true.

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  5. Steve Fast Member
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    Hang On (View Comment):

    Bout’s history was much more complicated than what is let on. From the early 1990s until 2005 or so, Bout was working with American intelligence in getting weapons out of the former Soviet Union and its republics and selling them on to approved intelligence clients. This gave them plausible deniability. Then Putin stepped in and stopped the cooperation. What’s a poor merchant of death to do other than cooperate?

    And as for the release, perhaps the Biden family is simply diversifying. With all the weapons going into Ukraine that are unaccounted for, who better to have as their sales rep?

    Are you a Russian bot?

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  6. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    I detect trust issues. Not lack of trust. It’s trusting our government way too much. Even conservatives, who should know better, have this precious trust that our government is looking out for our interests and the interests of freedom-loving people around the world.

    One of the most mystifying things is watching people who were harsh critics of the Biden administration’s actions in Afghanistan become Biden-administration super-fans when it comes to this administration’s actions in Ukraine.

     

     

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  7. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Bout’s history was much more complicated than what is let on. From the early 1990s until 2005 or so, Bout was working with American intelligence in getting weapons out of the former Soviet Union and its republics and selling them on to approved intelligence clients. This gave them plausible deniability. Then Putin stepped in and stopped the cooperation. What’s a poor merchant of death to do other than cooperate?

    And as for the release, perhaps the Biden family is simply diversifying. With all the weapons going into Ukraine that are unaccounted for, who better to have as their sales rep?

    Are you a Russian bot?

    Really, Hang! How dare you challenge the Regime’s Narrative!?

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  8. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    “Putin was SCAMMED in Brittney Griner Trade.   He could have gotten anything!  Russian intelligence is apparently as clueless as U.S. intelligence.

    The Russkies were holding an American citizen who hit ALL the media’s erogenous zones:

    Black – CHECK!

    Lesbian – CHECK!

    In a gay marriage – CHECK!

    Brought hashish and vaping cartridges into Russia – CHECK!

    Played for the WNBA – CHECK!…” — Ann Coulter

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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Bout’s history was much more complicated than what is let on. From the early 1990s until 2005 or so, Bout was working with American intelligence in getting weapons out of the former Soviet Union and its republics and selling them on to approved intelligence clients. This gave them plausible deniability. Then Putin stepped in and stopped the cooperation. What’s a poor merchant of death to do other than cooperate?

    And as for the release, perhaps the Biden family is simply diversifying. With all the weapons going into Ukraine that are unaccounted for, who better to have as their sales rep?

    Are you a Russian bot?

    https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2022/12/08/meet-the-merchant-of-death-viktor-bout-n1651909

    Bout reportedly smuggled more than $32 billion in various weapons out of Ukraine during the ’90s. It was during this same time period — 1994, to be exact — that then-President Bill Clinton was negotiating the Budapest Memorandum between the Russian Federation and several former Soviet Republics, including Ukraine. Kyiv agreed to give up former Soviet nuclear weapons and delivery systems in exchange for security guarantees that turned out worthless.

    Maybe the best that can be said about the Budapest Memorandum is that it may have prevented Bout from getting his hands on any nuclear warheads — because this guy will sell to literally anybody. Part of his 2012 conviction in a New York federal court was for attempting to buy and sell antiaircraft missiles to terrorist organizations for use against passenger jets.

    . . .

    In the early 2000s, he got heavily involved in trafficking weapons to various African dictators and thugs, including Liberian warlord Charles Taylor. He is believed sometimes to have been working at the behest of Russian intelligence.

    He was arrested by Thai authorities in 2008 after a sting operation involving a paid DEA informant. Bout was involved, he thought, in a conspiracy to supply Russian antiaircraft and armor-piercing rocket launchers to FARC, the Communist rebel group in Colombia. He was extradited to the U.S. in 2010, and charged with “conspiracy to provide material support or resources to a designated foreign terrorist organization, conspiring to kill Americans, conspiring to kill American officers or employees, and conspiring to acquire and use an anti-aircraft missile.”

    Other charges included wire fraud and money laundering.

    “He was finally brought to justice in an American court,” successful prosecuting attorney Preet Bharara said at the time, “for agreeing to provide a staggering number of military-grade weapons to an avowed terrorist organization committed to killing Americans.”

    This is the guy Presidentish Joe Biden just sprung from prison in exchange for a basketball player stupid enough to bring her personal stash of drugs into a country like Russia.

    Questioning the Biden adminstration’s actions here makes one a Russian bot? I would say not questioning it is of more benefit to Putin (and Biden).

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  10. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    https://contra.substack.com/p/no-country-for-white-men-the-story

    Paul Nicholas Whelan is an American who was accused of spying and detained by Russian security forces in 2018. He received a 16-year prison sentence in 2020. He currently resides in IK-17, a grim high-security prison southeast of Moscow.

    Whelan, a former U.S. Marine, had become a frequent visitor of Russia for work and play. He made friends with an unnamed Federal Security Service employee, who Whelan believes had him set up. “The story was that the DIA [U.S. military intelligence] sent me to Moscow to pick up a flash drive with the names and photos of students from the border guard school,” he told BBC News.

    According to Whelan, no concrete evidence of the plot was presented by his accusers. He suspects Russian security forces fabricated an excuse to detain and use him as leverage in a prisoner exchange. He said the names of two Russians incarcerated in the U.S. were always mentioned: convicted drug smuggler Konstantin Yaroshenko and arms dealer Victor Bout, so-called the “Merchant of Death” because of the size and scope of his gruesome enterprise.

    It looks like Whelan was right. Today, the U.S. released Bout in a prisoner swap—but not for him. Instead, we traded Bout for Brittney Griner, a female basketball player who was arrested in February for carrying cannabis products in Russia, where the drug is illegal.

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  11. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    I detect trust issues. Not lack of trust. It’s trusting our government way too much. Even conservatives, who should know better, have this precious trust that our government is looking out for our interests and the interests of freedom-loving people around the world.

    One of the most mystifying things is watching people who were harsh critics of the Biden administration’s actions in Afghanistan become Biden-administration super-fans when it comes to this administration’s actions in Ukraine.

     

     

    Yup. The way the regime, for lack of a better word, reacted to and treated DJT opened my eyes. If the whole “Russian Collusion” farce didn’t convince one that the deep state/regime could not be trusted, the Charlie-Foxtrot of the Biden administration should have.

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  12. The Reticulator Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):
    One of the most mystifying things is watching people who were harsh critics of the Biden administration’s actions in Afghanistan become Biden-administration super-fans when it comes to this administration’s actions in Ukraine.

    Do you know any actual person who has done that?  Or do you get your information about these people the same way you get your other information?  

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  13. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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  14. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):
    One of the most mystifying things is watching people who were harsh critics of the Biden administration’s actions in Afghanistan become Biden-administration super-fans when it comes to this administration’s actions in Ukraine.

    Do you know any actual person who has done that?

    I can think of three right here on Ricochet off the top of my head. But you’re right. They might have endorsed Biden’s Afghan debacle, too. I know we had some here who called it a success.

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  15. MiMac Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    Bout’s history was much more complicated than what is let on. From the early 1990s until 2005 or so, Bout was working with American intelligence in getting weapons out of the former Soviet Union and its republics and selling them on to approved intelligence clients. This gave them plausible deniability. Then Putin stepped in and stopped the cooperation. What’s a poor merchant of death to do other than cooperate?

    And as for the release, perhaps the Biden family is simply diversifying. With all the weapons going into Ukraine that are unaccounted for, who better to have as their sales rep?

    Perhaps you could give us a source for your information.

    That a substantial amount of the weapons we’re sending are disappearing into the black hole of Ukraine and nobody knows what’s happening to them?

    You weren’t aware of that? Why do you think there have been so many calls for audits?

    any proof?

    Lots of Russian disinformation out there about weapons diversion-the BBC looked into it:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-62983444

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  16. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    This was from back in April, from that Right-Wing stalwart CNN:

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html

    And at the time you declared it “old news” and that the problem had been solved.

    Yet CBS continued to report on it several months later. . .

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-military-aid-weapons-front-lines/

    . . . and then got their leash yanked by Zelenskyy and “partially retracted” it. But all they could say is that oversight was “significantly improved.” Meanwhile, Ukraine demanded that CBS be investigated for their reporting on the lack of oversight.

    https://towardfreedom.org/story/archives/europe/watch-the-arming-ukraine-film-cbs-pulled-after-govt-pressure/

    And look, here’s the Regime’s foremost propaganda outlet from a month ago, and even they acknowledge the problem continues:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/01/us-weapons-ukraine-oversight/

    So this has been happening all year. But no, I guess I just “pulled this out of my posterior,” right?

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  17. Charlotte Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    [image of Lord of War poster]

    Really good movie, with superb opening credits.

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  18. db25db Inactive
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    A black football player just criticized President Biden for his handling of this matter. And he quickly found out that one does not criticize President Biden. Especially if one is black. The Democrat powers that be very quickly got him back on the plantation. At least Democrats are efficient about some things…

     

    Micah Parsons was re-educated.. er educated more on the subject..

     

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  19. MiMac Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    This was from back in April, from that Right-Wing stalwart CNN:

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html

    And at the time you declared it “old news” and that the problem had been solved.

    Yet CBS continued to report on it several months later. . .

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-military-aid-weapons-front-lines/

    . . . and then got their leash yanked by Zelenskyy and “partially retracted” it. But all they could say is that oversight was “significantly improved.” Meanwhile, Ukraine demanded that CBS be investigated for their reporting on the lack of oversight.

    https://towardfreedom.org/story/archives/europe/watch-the-arming-ukraine-film-cbs-pulled-after-govt-pressure/

    And look, here’s the Regime’s foremost propaganda outlet from a month ago, and even they acknowledge the problem continues:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/01/us-weapons-ukraine-oversight/

    So this has been happening all year. But no, I guess I just “pulled this out of my posterior,” right?

    I don’t know where you pulled this out of, but I do know:

    A)You must not have read any of your sources- not one highlights any instance of actual diversion of weapons- they just outline the difficulty in keeping track of weapons. The CBS source also specifically states things were improving.

    B) during the spring & summer Ukraine was constructing the strike force that liberated Kharkiv in a masterful offensive (all the while a favorite source of yours, Col MacGregor, was at the same time predicting the imminent collapse of the Ukrainian army). To do so meant husbanding the new weapons and purposefully not sending them piecemeal to the front- not using them until they could be employed in sufficient mass to crush your enemy. Ukraine was training its forces with the new weapons & wisely not committing them to use until they were ready. The weapons weren’t seen at the front b/c Ukraine was preparing the ground for its counteroffensive. The fruit of this policy was seen in Kharkiv & Kherson. The Russians got a good glimpse of the weapons- much more than they bargained for.

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  20. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    This was from back in April, from that Right-Wing stalwart CNN:

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html

    And at the time you declared it “old news” and that the problem had been solved.

    Yet CBS continued to report on it several months later. . .

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-military-aid-weapons-front-lines/

    . . . and then got their leash yanked by Zelenskyy and “partially retracted” it. But all they could say is that oversight was “significantly improved.” Meanwhile, Ukraine demanded that CBS be investigated for their reporting on the lack of oversight.

    https://towardfreedom.org/story/archives/europe/watch-the-arming-ukraine-film-cbs-pulled-after-govt-pressure/

    And look, here’s the Regime’s foremost propaganda outlet from a month ago, and even they acknowledge the problem continues:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/01/us-weapons-ukraine-oversight/

    So this has been happening all year. But no, I guess I just “pulled this out of my posterior,” right?

    I don’t know where you pulled this out of, but I do know:

    How can you not know! The sources are RIGHT THERE!

    The rest of what you said has no bearing on the information I have given you.

    I have no idea who this Col. MacGregor is who you say is my “favorite,” but whatever. Your explanation doesn’t answer the question of lack of oversight about where these weapons are going. You’re spewing out non-sequiturs.

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  21. MiMac Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    This was from back in April, from that Right-Wing stalwart CNN:

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html

    And at the time you declared it “old news” and that the problem had been solved.

    Yet CBS continued to report on it several months later. . .

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-military-aid-weapons-front-lines/

    . . . and then got their leash yanked by Zelenskyy and “partially retracted” it. But all they could say is that oversight was “significantly improved.” Meanwhile, Ukraine demanded that CBS be investigated for their reporting on the lack of oversight.

    https://towardfreedom.org/story/archives/europe/watch-the-arming-ukraine-film-cbs-pulled-after-govt-pressure/

    And look, here’s the Regime’s foremost propaganda outlet from a month ago, and even they acknowledge the problem continues:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/01/us-weapons-ukraine-oversight/

    So this has been happening all year. But no, I guess I just “pulled this out of my posterior,” right?

    I don’t know where you pulled this out of, but I do know:

    How can you not know! The sources are RIGHT THERE!

    The rest of what you said has no bearing on the information I have given you.

    I have no idea who this Col. MacGregor is who you say is my “favorite,” but whatever. Your explanation doesn’t answer the question of lack of oversight about where these weapons are going. You’re spewing out non-sequiturs.

    How do I know? I actually read the links- something you obviously didn’t. Your sources (ie the links you provided) do not list any instance of weapons diversion- not a single one- try reading them.

    addendum- the links clearly discuss the difficulty of oversight- but provide no evidence of diversion. Your anti-Ukrainian bias leads you to believe that the lack of any evidence of diversion indicates a widespread criminal activity- a peculiar interpretation.

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  22. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    This was from back in April, from that Right-Wing stalwart CNN:

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html

    And at the time you declared it “old news” and that the problem had been solved.

    Yet CBS continued to report on it several months later. . .

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-military-aid-weapons-front-lines/

    . . . and then got their leash yanked by Zelenskyy and “partially retracted” it. But all they could say is that oversight was “significantly improved.” Meanwhile, Ukraine demanded that CBS be investigated for their reporting on the lack of oversight.

    https://towardfreedom.org/story/archives/europe/watch-the-arming-ukraine-film-cbs-pulled-after-govt-pressure/

    And look, here’s the Regime’s foremost propaganda outlet from a month ago, and even they acknowledge the problem continues:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/01/us-weapons-ukraine-oversight/

    So this has been happening all year. But no, I guess I just “pulled this out of my posterior,” right?

    I don’t know where you pulled this out of, but I do know:

    How can you not know! The sources are RIGHT THERE!

    The rest of what you said has no bearing on the information I have given you.

    I have no idea who this Col. MacGregor is who you say is my “favorite,” but whatever. Your explanation doesn’t answer the question of lack of oversight about where these weapons are going. You’re spewing out non-sequiturs.

    How do I know? I actually read the links- something you obviously didn’t. Your sources (ie the links you provided) do not list any instance of weapons diversion- not a single one- try reading them.

    I did. I also read what I wrote. And you didn’t.

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  23. The Reticulator Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    This was from back in April, from that Right-Wing stalwart CNN:

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html

    MiMac is correct. This does not say the equipment is diverted. It says we are not tracking the equipment once it gets across the border to Ukraine.  And you know why that is? It’s because the U.S. doesn’t want the kind of boots-on-the-ground involvement that your type claimed our support would lead to. 

    The proof that the equipment is being well-used for the intended purposes is the success Ukraine is having in using it to drive the Russians back. 

    It all makes one wonder if some of the people complaining about our support for Ukraine are doing so because they want Russia to win enough influence over the country so Ukraine can be corrupt on a large scale again.  They want their corruption back.  

    Do you agree that some people might have that motivation?   

     

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  24. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    This was from back in April, from that Right-Wing stalwart CNN:

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html

    MiMac is correct. This does not say the equipment is diverted. It says we are not tracking the equipment once it gets across the border to Ukraine.

    Which is exactly what I said.

    The proof that the equipment is being well-used for the intended purposes is the success Ukraine is having in using it to drive the Russians back.

    Heh. That’s not any sort of proof at all.

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  25. The Reticulator Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    This was from back in April, from that Right-Wing stalwart CNN:

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html

    MiMac is correct. This does not say the equipment is diverted. It says we are not tracking the equipment once it gets across the border to Ukraine.

    Which is exactly what I said.

    No, this is what you said:

    That a substantial amount of the weapons we’re sending are disappearing into the black hole of Ukraine and nobody knows what’s happening to them?

    We know reasonably well what’s happening to them. It’s not a black hole where we have no knowledge whatsoever. They’re being used to drive back the invaders. We probably don’t have exact knowledge of where each serial number is at any given point in time, but that’s not the same as nobody knowing what’s happening to them. 

    The proof that the equipment is being well-used for the intended purposes is the success Ukraine is having in using it to drive the Russians back.

    Heh. That’s not any sort of proof at all.

    Sure it is. Wartime is a test of military development and procurement. Russia has failed that test on several fronts.  Its lies and corruption have been exposed.  Ukraine is making very good use of what it purports to have (and to have been given), so it has passed the test.  There will be more tests to come, of course. 

    And that doesn’t mean there aren’t any bad actors who engage in traitorous behavior.  I wonder who will squeal the loudest whenever Ukraine executes any of these traitors. 

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  26. genferei Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Think of how we used Stalin to defeat Hitler.

    Or how Stalin used Germany and the US to enslave half of Europe for a couple of generations. It’s all a matter of perspective.

     

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  27. The Reticulator Member
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    genferei (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Think of how we used Stalin to defeat Hitler.

    Or how Stalin used Germany and the US to enslave half of Europe for a couple of generations. It’s all a matter of perspective.

     

    Yup.  That’s why we shouldn’t slobber all over Biden while he’s helping Ukraine, like FDR did with Stalin when he was helping to defeat Hitler. 

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  28. MiMac Thatcher
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    genferei (View Comment):

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    Think of how we used Stalin to defeat Hitler.

    Or how Stalin used Germany and the US to enslave half of Europe for a couple of generations. It’s all a matter of perspective.

    Yup. That’s why we shouldn’t slobber all over Biden while he’s helping Ukraine, like FDR did with Stalin when he was helping to defeat Hitler.

    Biden shouldn’t get too much credit, he has been following Obama & leading from behind. Biden was more in line with the Rand Corp assessment that Ukraine was going to fall so rapidly that aiding them was a lost cause-he only did enough so he could say he tried but it was hopeless. It was only the unforeseen Ukranian success at stopping the thunder run to Kyiv that galvanized Western support. Nothing fosters support like success-especially unexpected success by David vs Goliath. We are fortunate that Ukraine is a vastly better ally than Stalin’s USSR. Ukraine has no designs on its neighbors & didn’t initiate the war (unlike Stalin who in September 1939 was a co-starter of WW2 alongside his, then ally, Nazi Germany). Not to mention all the atrocities by Stalin even before WW2 (Holdomar, Gulags, the Great Purge etc). The USSR was an ally b/c Nazi Germany was rightfully judged the greater threat the time. Ukraine is an ally b/c they have been invaded by a  threat…

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  29. Vance Richards Inactive
    Vance Richards
    @VanceRichards

    What do the Russians think (assuming the translation is correct)

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  30. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Evidence indicates Biden Admin prioritized WNBA’s Griner over Marine Paul Whelan, despite claiming otherwise

    Stealth edited report and commentary from Marine’s family and attorney indicates that Russia offered both as an option.

     

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