Why Drag Queen Story Hour?

 

Okay, I’m going to play devil’s advocate here.

Let’s say I am a liberal who wants to improve acceptance of trans/etc. people.  Why on Earth would I have drag performers talk to kids?    Teachers or storytellers do not normally dress that way.  Heck, almost every workplace would look askance on that kind of attire.  Why not have a trans-person dress like a grade school teacher or librarian?  People who complained would look silly, and it would convey the message transgender people are normal and nothing to be scared of.  This is how gays and lesbians were handled in media, after all.

Show of hands – would having a Chippendales dancer or Playboy bunny in their outfit be much better than a drag queen?   Sure, the parents would probably pay more attention, but it would just be bizarre for the kids.   If you really want to play up the dress-differently aspect, have the trans-person dress as a superhero or other costumed character.

It really does seem to be about the sexualization, disturbingly.   Yet if you mention grooming, people jump on you as a homophobe.   It doesn’t matter that people around here would probably rather let Rick Grinnell and Chad Felix Greene watch their boy for a week than leave their girl with Joe Biden for a minute.

The real question is what would motivate a parent to let their kid hang out with drag queens?

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  1. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Drag Queens are not sexy. To normal people. Or children.

    you sure about that?

    Fair point. To most people?

    Everybody had a type, Everybody has a kink. They are just trying to mainstream their kink just like the gays mainstreamed their kink.

    Most people don’t experience a drag show as a sexual or sexualised experience, and my feeling is that this holds good for drag queen story time as well. Projecting adult sexual anxieties onto these events doesn’t seem like a smart, or self-aware, thing to do. I’m sure there are reasons to object to these for children that don’t hinge on adult sexuality. Howaboutit?

    Then explain the attraction.  What is the draw of drag shows?  In my area clubs with drag shows almost never go out of business and tend to be fairly busy.  There is some draw there and it does have a sexual taboo status to it.

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  2. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

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    And Communists don’t? Puberty blockers, anyone?

    The numbers are really small:

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/

    Why is it such a big issue?

    If it’s not a big issue, then why is it everywhere? Is it only a small issue when Conservatives push back?

    The numbers seem really small.

    Has it moved from a (should be private) medical issue to something the Right and the Left use to motivate their respective bases?

     

    It is an issue because it used to be unusual to see somebody transitioning or cross dressing.  Now it seems to be everywhere especially with the young and it is in public.  As for private and public medical issues that is a joke.  All medical procedures are publicly restricted or allowed.  All most all are publicly paid for in some degree.  Wish it was different but it is not.

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  3. Zafar Member
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    BDB (View Comment):
    I reject your premise.  It is at best a mental health issue, not a medical issue

    A mental health issue is a medical issue.

    and at any rate is mostly a matter of confusion or perversion.  Also, the left has used it as a cudgel for a decade, and just as with marriage, all we wanted on the right was to preserve our civilization.  This corrupt decadence is its own apocalyptic warning.

    You do you dude.

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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    Then explain the attraction.  What is the draw of drag shows?  In my area clubs with drag shows almost never go out of business and tend to be fairly busy.  There is some draw there and it does have a sexual taboo status to it.

    Drag queens are hilarious.  They also tend to perform at gay bar[s], which play a community role that perhaps other bars don’t – the community needs them so they don’t go out of business?

    I think there is a transgressive aspect to drag (which is fading) and that does make space to create a great act. It’s not going to be a timid afraid to offend I feel asleep thing.

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    So for extracurricular school clubs we’ve got:

    Boy Scouts
    Gay Clown Story Hour
    After School Satan Club

    What’s next, Friday Child Sacrifice to Huitzilopochtli?

    It is pretty hard to get a Scout troop in a school these days.

    My impression is that the Scouts surrendered to the perverted LGBT agenda. I haven’t followed the issue closely. I just concluded that they were another institution taken over by the enemy.

    When you fill the board of directors with corporate types (and most of them from HR or PR) the things go sideways pretty fast.  

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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Some good wholesome drag:

    Ah, No! 

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    Zafar (View Comment):

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    I reject your premise. It is at best a mental health issue, not a medical issue

    A mental health issue is a medical issue.

    Sure.   I am speaking of the tension between chopping off genitals or fixing the mental issue   

    and at any rate is mostly a matter of confusion or perversion. Also, the left has used it as a cudgel for a decade, and just as with marriage, all we wanted on the right was to preserve our civilization. This corrupt decadence is its own apocalyptic warning.

    You do you dude.

    The orifices and substances crowd “does itself” as a priority.  Folks like me would rather pass a functioning civilization onward to our very real descendants.  

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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Drag queens are hilarious.  They also tend to perform at gay bar[s], which play a community role that perhaps other bars don’t – the community needs them so they don’t go out of business?

    Likewise the drug dealers do not go out of business, neither the mobsters nor the hit men.  

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    BDB (View Comment):

    Sure.   I am speaking of the tension between chopping off genitals or fixing the mental issue  

    I’m just saying that these are personal, medical decisions.  Arguing one way or the other as part of the culture wars doesn’t do the individuals involved any favours.

     The orifices and substances crowd “does itself” as a priority.  Folks like me would rather pass a functioning civilization onward to our very real descendants.  

    Where do you think drag queens and gay people and trans people come from?  Did we fall from the sky?

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    So for extracurricular school clubs we’ve got:

    Boy Scouts
    Gay Clown Story Hour
    After School Satan Club

    What’s next, Friday Child Sacrifice to Huitzilopochtli?

    It is pretty hard to get a Scout troop in a school these days.

    Yes, that was jut for context. I left out 4H and Future Farmers of America, too.

    And the folks who lobby against these youth organizations promote the corrosive LGBTQ??? organizations and programs in their place.  

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    Zafar (View Comment):
    I’m just saying that these are personal, medical decisions.  Arguing one way or the other as part of the culture wars doesn’t do the individuals involved any favours.

    Not my problem.  What is my problem is when supposedly small issues become enforced nonsensical definitions contrary to fact.  
    A Republic should defend the minority in a way that a democracy cannot.  It should not do this by burning down the house.  

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    Zafar (View Comment):

     

    Where do you think drag queens and gay people and trans people come from? Did we fall from the sky?

    You cannot fall from the sky.  You would fall off the Earth!

    More serious response when I get to a keyboard.  

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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Some good wholesome drag:

    Ah, No!

    I’m in shock.

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    I’m just saying that these are personal, medical decisions. Arguing one way or the other as part of the culture wars doesn’t do the individuals involved any favours.

    Not my problem.

    With an attitude like that why should anybody else care about your issues?

    What is my problem is when supposedly small issues become enforced nonsensical definitions contrary to fact.
    A Republic should defend the minority in a way that a democracy cannot. It should not do this by burning down the house.

    Um….yeah?

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    Oh yes, I’ve also been to the Great Wisconsin Cheese Festival but it was really oversold. The typical supermarket has more cheeses than were at that festival. The concession stands weren’t even particularly cheesy!

    I’m not sure I get your insinuation about cheese and child sexuality. What is the comparison here?

    Is it another instance of Conservatives being overly focused on sex? There is no there there?

    Hate to break it to you Z, but most conservatives, most of the time, are less focused on sex than the run-of-the-mill liberal/progressive.  

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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):
    Hate to break it to you Z, but most conservatives, most of the time, are less focused on sex than the run-of-the-mill liberal/progressive.  

    Couldn’t tell that by Ricochet, but okay.

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    Zafar (View Comment):

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    I’m just saying that these are personal, medical decisions. Arguing one way or the other as part of the culture wars doesn’t do the individuals involved any favours.

    Not my problem.

    With an attitude like that why should anybody else care about your issues?

    I never asked you or anybody else to care about me.  I want those most responsible for the future of civilization — parents — to recognize their position and step into their responsibility.

    Adam Smith style, that will suffice.

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    I’m just saying that these are personal, medical decisions. Arguing one way or the other as part of the culture wars doesn’t do the individuals involved any favours.

    Not my problem.

    With an attitude like that why should anybody else care about your issues?

    I never asked you or anybody else to care about me. I want those most responsible for the future of civilization — parents — to recognize their position and step into their responsibility.

    And address your issues.  But what if they don’t agree with you? There are parents who want DQSH, who think it’s a good thing.  Without arguing either way, there are differences of opinion even among parents.

    Adam Smith style, that will suffice.

    Aaaaaand that’s how you get drag shows.

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    I’m just saying that these are personal, medical decisions. Arguing one way or the other as part of the culture wars doesn’t do the individuals involved any favours.

    Not my problem.

    With an attitude like that why should anybody else care about your issues?

    I never asked you or anybody else to care about me. I want those most responsible for the future of civilization — parents — to recognize their position and step into their responsibility.

    And address your issues. But what if they don’t agree with you? There are parents who want DQSH, who think it’s a good thing. Without arguing either way, there are differences of opinion even among parents.

    I don’t know what DQSH is.

    Adam Smith style, that will suffice.

    Aaaaaand that’s how you get drag shows.

    But not how we get boys knocking girls out of scholarships or garish trannies traumatizing children at the library.  That’s political domination by a terrorist minority.  
    May the majority awake and throw it off.  

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    BDB (View Comment):
    But not how we get boys knocking girls out of scholarships

    Yeah, I don’t agree with that either

    or garish trannies traumatizing children at the library.

    Meh.  Doesn’t seem to be that big a deal, but…?

    That’s political domination by a terrorist minority.  May the majority awake and throw it off.  

    If it’s really a minority and if the majority really feels oppressed that’s what’ll eventually happen.

    What seems to be happening, however, is that a majority in some places, consisting of gay and straight people, feels like DQSH is part of throwing off another political domination.

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    BDB (View Comment):
    I don’t know what DQSH is.

    I believe it stands for Gay Clown Social Hour, but maybe I have a few words wrong.

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    Zafar (View Comment):

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    Then explain the attraction. What is the draw of drag shows? In my area clubs with drag shows almost never go out of business and tend to be fairly busy. There is some draw there and it does have a sexual taboo status to it.

    Drag queens are hilarious. They also tend to perform at gay bar[s], which play a community role that perhaps other bars don’t – the community needs them so they don’t go out of business?

    I think there is a transgressive aspect to drag (which is fading) and that does make space to create a great act. It’s not going to be a timid afraid to offend I feel asleep thing.

    Some drag shows are a form of comedy.  Even those are of an adult material type of humor that is not for children.  I thing the word raunchy is used.  Some is just sexual.  

    The drag / gay bar need to the community is that they are effectively hands off area.  Legal authority stays away from such zones since the political backlash exists, thus there service is where one can go to find their kink / drug of choice.   Not sure I like bring kids into such a world or taking such an environment to children school or public libraries.  Not that what I want matters.  Society elites wish to make the child molestation easier and more acceptable so that is what is going to happen.  

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    Maybe just be a little selective about the drag queens you invite?

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    Flicker (View Comment):

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    I don’t know what DQSH is.

    I believe it stands for Gay Clown Social Hour, but maybe I have a few words wrong.

    Yeah, somebody should reall spell that out :-).   Thanks.

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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

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    The answer is easy. They are perverts and they know it. If they normalize perversion, they will no longer be perverts and they can portray us as the evil ones for our intolerance.

    Great comment.

    My only quibble is that they will still be perverts. They’ll just avoid the disapproval.

    If past trends continue, once the trans-perversion is accepted, deviancy will be defined down even further.

    Give it ten years and the Westminster Dog Show will feature a new form of trans performance.

    And all the right people will applaud

    Yesterday I saw a recent Babylon Bee piece featuring a human trans dog competing in the Westminster Show.  They beat me to it by several days. 

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    Zafar (View Comment):

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    Some good wholesome drag:

    Ah, No!

    I’m in shock.

    My hunch is that participation in that event would look great on a resume if one were applying for a job with the US Department of Energy or the Department of Transportation.  

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    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):

    I’m trying to develop a thought into a theory. I think it has something to do with beauty vs ugliness. Destroying society’s concept of beauty is essential to destroying the society.

    Even more fundamentally, it’s essential to destroying our understanding that there is a gulf fixed ‘tween male and female.

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