Who Needs a College Degree?

 

After crying out for years that a college degree for most jobs is a waste of time, the corporations are getting the message. I don’t think we were the ones who convinced them; I think the shortage of personnel to fill openings has spurred a reaction by the business world:

The tech industry has been plagued by chronic talent shortages for years. Some estimates show that there are now more than 450,000 open cybersecurity jobs alone. That has been further exacerbated as the gap between available positions and those seeking new jobs has grown even wider. There were 11.27 million job openings in February, compared to the 6.27 million counted as unemployed, leaving a record 5 million more openings than available workers, according to the Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey.

The best part of the news is that many companies are dropping their requirements for a bachelor’s degree. Even the federal government is reconsidering the requirement for degrees. It should be obvious that certain highly skilled professions, such as medical doctors and surgeons, will still need degrees.

Instead of expecting job entrants to have degrees, the companies are providing a myriad of alternatives: internal training programs; collaborating with non-profit organizations and the community colleges for associate degrees and certificate programs; internships; and trade school degrees and programs. People may have more substantial earnings if they complete a degree program; that assumes that they complete the degree and overcome the mountain of debt they accumulate. For a listing of high-paying tech, non-degree programs, you can visit this site.

But the benefits of skipping the degree for middle- and-high level jobs are substantial.

For starters, students will not have to take on enormous debt that could plague them for years. Instead of a degree, for example, vocational programs  offer certificate programs ranging from $1,000 to $33,000 for a degree—much less money than college degrees. Students can decrease the time between finishing high school and beginning a real career by months, if not years. They will have the benefits of having the satisfaction of working right away, earning their own living and being self-sufficient, without relying on loans or family. My hope would be that the tech schools and even some of the companies may teach less woke propaganda than the colleges, and at least the courses will be job-related. Workers likely won’t have to take the time to take electives that don’t interest them or aren’t related to their future. One of the few limiting factors of this approach being successful will be high school graduates and their parents still believing that a college degree is important, even when all the information on the ground says that it’s not. Creative marketing programs to promote this new approach will be critical

Finally, it must be better for society not to have safe-space oriented, frightened people joining society and instead welcome more productive and practical job performers into the world.

I wonder what the colleges will do in response to this major transformation of the work force?

 

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  1. Modus Ponens Inactive
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    David Foster (View Comment):

    Modus Ponens (View Comment):
    Don’t have 25 years of experience with a proprietary system, which only current employees can access and which has only been around for 5 years? Oh well, better luck on your next high-stress interview.

    See my post about The Five-Pound Butterfly.

     

    Very relevant. Matches a lot of the horror stories I’ve seen my colleagues go through.

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  2. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    David Foster (View Comment):
    This is a very positive trend. My concern is that people who have skipped college, learned a skill, and have been doing a good job, will still often find their progress blocked at some point: because even if the skilled-trade job doesn’t require a college degree, the job of manager for the work may well require it.

    Some commenters have shared stories about people who went back for their degrees. I hope employers will explain that could be a future requirement for management. Or maybe a certificate program will be offered.

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  3. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    David Foster (View Comment):

    Modus Ponens (View Comment):
    Don’t have 25 years of experience with a proprietary system, which only current employees can access and which has only been around for 5 years? Oh well, better luck on your next high-stress interview.

    See my post about The Five-Pound Butterfly.

     

    A fine essay, David. And still relevant.

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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    I still want my children to have the degree.

    My cousin’s husband, Sam, was the son of a successful surgeon. Sam went to one of the “best” private schools in the city and then headed off to college. He hated it. He dropped out of school, came home, and went to work at a swimming pool maintenance company.

    When he was 28, he started his own pool services company which became very successful. When he was 33, he expanded to pool construction as well. Today he builds pools that range from the simple to the elaborate, including complex hard scape pools with boulders and waterfalls.

    With my cousin, he has raised 3 responsible adult sons, supported his family and community, and just been an all-around great guy that is a joy to know. They have a beautiful home and a ski condo in Colorado. They travel to do anything that takes their fancy – Rose Bowl game, Kentucky Derby, Mardi Gras, whatever.

    His surgeon father had no problems with Sam’s choices. To her dying day, his mother would say, “Just think of what he could have accomplished with a college degree.” To which my cousin always replied, “Not a damn thing better.”

    Good for him.

    I still want my children to have the degree. No matter what, they will have it forever. If they can hack it, they have it.

    I know there is a big, big movement among middle and upper middle class conservatives for other peoples’ kids not to go to college. I hear it from my peers. Guess what they want for their kids?

     

    Do you have data on that? I’d wager that some are part of the elite. Others don’t yet know that the culture is changing.

     When I say my peers I mean people that I personally know. I suppose I can’t say that’s a big big movement. You sure see people talking about it online a lot.

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  5. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Modus Ponens (View Comment):

    David Foster (View Comment):

    Modus Ponens (View Comment):
    Don’t have 25 years of experience with a proprietary system, which only current employees can access and which has only been around for 5 years? Oh well, better luck on your next high-stress interview.

    See my post about The Five-Pound Butterfly.

     

    Very relevant. Matches a lot of the horror stories I’ve seen my colleagues go through.

    Add the so-called diversity, equity, and Inclusion criteria and the people doing the hiring will be looking for a 50 pound butterfly. 

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    MarciN (View Comment):
    My husband and I are having our kitchen redone, and my husband got the first bill (there are many more to come) from the electrician: $400 an hour. Yep. My husband said, “Okay, so the lawyer rules apply here. No chitchat.

    My rates just doubled next time I work on the cape! No wonder why your water rates are so high. I don’t care how good the electrician is, it’s not all that complicated. I guess, like anything, it’s worth what someone is willing to pay. Also, I view someone not talking to me while I work as a bonus.

    I did work with an electrician in Harwich Port that also does residential. Message me if your interested.

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  7. MarciN Member
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    Chowderhead (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    My husband and I are having our kitchen redone, and my husband got the first bill (there are many more to come) from the electrician: $400 an hour. Yep. My husband said, “Okay, so the lawyer rules apply here. No chitchat.

    My rates just doubled next time I work on the cape! No wonder why your water rates are so high. I don’t care how good the electrician is, it’s not all that complicated. I guess, like anything, it’s worth what someone is willing to pay. Also, I view someone not talking to me while I work as a bonus.

    I did work with an electrician in Harwich Port that also does residential. Message me if your interested.

    That’s sweet. Thank you. 

    We’re okay with it. As I said, he usually works on very high end projects. But thank you. :) :) 

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  8. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    In tech – I do not think you need it

    I did not get any software training during college – I learned all on the job – I could have done the same out of high school. 

    Most people go to get a credential – I have never looked at education in my interviews 

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    One of my students in adult education was a middle-aged adult who lost her job when the business closed. Despite having worked for years, it was hard for her to find work since she never finished high school. She hoped to overcome that by getting her GED but struggled with the algebra. I worked with her and she tried hard. 

    I had another student the same time, a young high school dropout who was smart enough to do the work but didn’t care enough to try. I suspect her parents, or a judge, forced her to enroll. It bothered me seeing someone who wanted it but struggled while someone else had the brains to do it but didn’t. Adult ed can be rewarding. At other times, it was depressing

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  10. David Foster Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):
    She hoped to overcome that by getting her GED but struggled with the algebra. I worked with her and she tried hard. 

    I suspect that people who have a hard time with algebra would actually have an easier time by first learning a simple programming language, which would allow them to grasp the concept of a Variable in more tangible form…’more tangible’ because you can actually make it do something.  And then, in many cases, I bet they would be able to apply this perception to regular algebra. And, if not, they still would have learned something worthwhile.

     

     

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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I still want my children to have the degree. I don’t care if they end up using it. As long as we go local schools the costs are not that bad and once they graduate they have it no matter what.

    That is where I am coming from as a a college educated parent myself. Just get it and bank it. I know that is horrible. Not sorry.

    It’s not horrible.  I think you have right perspective below; if they had shown interest in other things you would support it.  I went to a private  HS where everyone was just expected to go to college. I was that kid that wasnt ready and wasted a lot of time.  it was much cheaper though back in the late 90s.  I went back to college in my mid 20s and got the degree when I was more mature.  it definitely paid off for me, even with the $37k i had to pay back, which i know is nothing now.

    College culturally has become really awful, but I’d hate to see a world where no one conservative goes into fields that need credentials.  it’s not just doctors and lawyers, there are hundreds of fields that really do need them (and probably thousands that don’t).  I do think too many people go to college who probably shouldn’t, especially men based on dropout rates.  I think the best thing I’d to have a good relationship with your kids and make sure they’re aware of all the options.

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