Confessions of an Ableist

 

In the midst of all the rabbit-hole nonsense that comes with an election season, I was taken suddenly aback today when a Best Buy clerk offered me a plastic bag for my purchase for only 10 cents. “It will all go to charity,” he assured me with a straight face. Someone in that organization was paid real money to come up with this. I count it as California stupid, but any feral jurisdiction could be responsible.

Commercial transactions all have a drag coefficient. In stores, the floor staff should be visible and be helpful when needed and otherwise out of the way. Checkout lines should be short and efficient. And the rube that thought charging for the bags “for charity” should be shifted to duties more suitable to their talents. Restocking shelves might be too challenging. Maybe fit them for a broom.

Biden has shown us there are consequences for placing the disabled in positions of responsibility. If he were missing an arm or a leg or an eye, no problem. Instead, he is the babbling, mumbling, befuddled laughingstock of the world, although the thousands not properly evacuated from Afghanistan and still trickling out slowly are not laughing much.

Paper or plastic is a fair question. Ungraciously holding a bag ransom for a consumer purchase where gratitude is called for, just to turn around and “virtue signal” that the dime goes to charity, is amazingly in tune with the Biden-Harris-Fetterman disableist gestalt of the age, but it does not recommend Best Buy or the other icons of anti-Ableism as worthy of support.

If you’ll excuse me now, there are kids on my lawn.

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  1. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    If you were to go into my garage, you would think I was a prepper who collected plastic bags. Whenever the collection gets to be a little much, I recycle them. I also have brown paper grocery bags.

    We always used plastic shopping bags to put out our trash; they biodegrade in the trunk of the car, so I figure they’ll do the same in a landfill.

    But now nowhere offers simple plastic shopping bags. We either have to put big and bulky multi-use bags in our trunk before shopping or else pay dollars for reusable ones at checkout, that is if they even have them for sale. And this makes spur of he moment shopping harder, which is half our shopping.

    We now have no paper bags for wrapping packages, and no plastic bags for trash and we have to buy big, awkward and fragile garbage bags for our little bit of weekly trash pick-up.

    Who did this? Whose idea has it been?

    I see that my little corner of creation with its twisted Best Buy moments is heaven on earth compared to many. But at least there are still the kids on my lawn.

    Planning their tricks or treats. 

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  2. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    cdor (View Comment):

    The only way to save the planet is for all humans to die.

    That’s what they believe. 

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  3. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Hrumpf. In Austin they outlawed plastic bags years ago and now charge a buck or two for “reusable” bags. It was a matter of personal honor to me that I never paid for a stupid bag. I just piled everything loose into my car.

    I’m so glad every day that I don’t live in Austin anymore. It used to be so wonderful, now it’s a hell hole of “homeless” people pooping everywhere. It started with the banning of grocery bags.

    Is there more people poop than doggie poop?

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  4. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Hrumpf. In Austin they outlawed plastic bags years ago and now charge a buck or two for “reusable” bags. It was a matter of personal honor to me that I never paid for a stupid bag. I just piled everything loose into my car.

    I’m so glad every day that I don’t live in Austin anymore. It used to be so wonderful, now it’s a hell hole of “homeless” people pooping everywhere. It started with the banning of grocery bags.

    I often thought the decline in America started with Craig-y Ferguson’s retiring from the Late Late Night Show.

    But come to think about it, that happened just as the banning of plastic bags came in vogue.

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  5. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    To cheer you up abt the plastic bag insanity, a small joke:

    WalMart is scheduling the  closure of 147 stores later this year. This will result in the loss of 14 cashiers nationwide.

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  6. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Just to be snarky (and even more ableist), why would one possibly need a bag for Best Buy purchases? One doesn’t buy a cartful of items at Best Buy. One is generally buying one or a few items. The larger items are already in packaging in which they were individually delivered to the store. Such boxes should be more than adequate for taking the item from the store to home. The vacuum cleaner I bought two weeks ago (which wouldn’t fit in any bag anyway) and the laptop computer I bought about six weeks ago both carried the shipping labels on the boxes. Otherwise one is buying no more than two or three small items (cables, phone or computer cases, etc.) that should be easy to carry without a bag. 

    (OK, this is assuming my local Best Buy is typical – strip mall with ample parking 150 feet from the front door, and a staff willing to carry the particularly large items like large televisions to your car if you pull up to the front door. I suppose if a Best Buy is in a mall in which a customer might continue shopping at other stores while carrying his Best Buy purchases the experience might be different.)

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  7. Michael G. Gallagher Coolidge
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    @sisyphus

    Feral or Federal jurisdiction? They seem to be merging nowadays. Here in South Korea, they haven’t gone quite that far with the bag situation. The stores encourage ‘eco-friendly’ shopping bags, but you can still do spur-of-the-moment shopping without your virtue bag. The store will still charge you 50 or 100 won (5 or 10 cents) for a plastic bag, but they don’t say it’s for charity, they just charge you. Some of the smaller stores still use paper bags.

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  8. Full Size Tabby Member
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    For grocery shopping, Mrs. Tabby prefers to use reusable bags. She asks the clerk to pack the bags full so she has only three bags for a typical week’s groceries to carry into the house instead of the ten or twelve or more single use plastic bags that the clerk would otherwise package. She can wedge the full reusable bags into the back of the car so they stay put for the drive home, as opposed to the single use bags that tend to roll around with their contents.  

    The reusable bags are made of some type of semi-rigid plastic coated non woven fabric, with a rigid plastic base, and stand up on their own in a nice rectangular structure. She originally got them from the supermarket where we used to live (Wegmans for those of you in certain parts of the northeast). A very close friend who visits us from there once in  a while brings replenishments as the bags do eventually wear out. 

    She wipes down the bags with cleaner once in a while, but doesn’t worry much about contamination. Everything that goes into the bag is in its own packaging, including the produce which goes into those filmy produce bags that we then reuse to package kitchen waste before putting it into the trash. Raw food is never in direct contact with the reusable bag. 

    She has used our daughter’s cloth reusable bags, which can be laundered, but their lack of structure makes them harder to use. 

    Our local Aldi does not hand out single use bags. They do sell reusable bags. But they always have available in a rack some cardboard product case bottoms left over from their product shelving process so that people can use those to carry their purchases home. 

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    These are great to consolidate bags when you go inside. They have a wide opening and a low profile. Folds down to nothing. I don’t think there are any others you can get on the Internet.  I also use gigantic L.L. Bean totes.

     

    https://lapolicegear.com/la-police-gear-collapsible-multiuse-bag.html

     

     

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  10. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    The science supporting plastic bag bans and everything like that is non-existent. It doesn’t net out.

    Do you mean it’s just another act of mindless submission to feckless authorities, like ethanol in the gasoline? Imagine my surprise.

    There were a bunch of good podcasts and articles about this years ago. Hygiene. Nobody is going to clean shopping bags enough. How long it takes a permanent bag to net out from using plastic bags from the manufacturing process. It’s literally like 20,000 or something. Of course you can reuse plastic bags at home.

    I mean it’s a slam dunk.

    It doesn’t get much publicity in this sense, but it’s definitely one of the dumbest policies ever invented.

    There have already been cases of norovirus from reusable bag contamination. Those were ones serious enough to require hospitalizations, imagine how many didn’t. 

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  11. MarciN Member
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Every time I walk around a grocery store, I shake my head: what product in here doesn’t have a container? To suddenly draw the line at the register and not allow the store to bundle and package their products however it works best for their customers is purely singling out one company or type of business.

    I think what happened was that when we switched to landfills rather incinerating trash, the plastic bags started to fill with air, and on windy days, they’d blow around, sometimes landing in a tree. I think that’s what got the environmentalists’ attention. In the world we live in today, we need to keep our head down.

    The same thing happened with the anti-lawn movement. The incredible growth in lawncare science has meant that people’s lawns have been looking fantastic for the last twenty years. The environmentalists noticed the pretty lawns, and now they are after the lawncare products and practices.

    To succeed in modern America, it’s essential today to not attract anyone’s attention. Well, there’s a wonderful paradox. How do you sell your product without attracting attention? You can’t. Totalitarian governments crush their countries in a constant war of attrition. And the only colors they like are drab brown and gray.

    Today’s lawncare products happen to be tomorrow’s cancers.

    BTW, lawns were very nice back in the 1950’s. Often all that was required was grass seed, water and occasionally reaching down and pulling out the crab grass.

    There are hundreds of extremely safe lawncare products on the market today. And waterwise products as well.

    And green grass is the prettiest plant there is. What it does best is fight loneliness in neighborhoods because its beauty attracts the eye. Pretty soon people are pausing and talking. From there spring friendships.

    Creating beautiful social spaces outside is really important–in fact, for a lot of reasons, it’s the most important thing we can do for each other.

    And a healthy lawn keeps a house cool and supports far fewer house-invading bugs than the grass alternatives.

    People shouldn’t assume when they see a beautiful lawn that they know how it is kept that way. Grass is just like every other plant–there are many ways to keep it healthy. Furthermore, the pest control and fertilizer companies are some of the most environmentally conscious companies in the world. Today’s lawn and garden companies are depending more and more on microorganisms to keep plants happy and healthy.

    So, no, a beautiful lawn is not the source of the world’s cancers. It’s actually a pretty amazing human achievement.

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  12. Sisyphus Member
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    Michael G. Gallagher (View Comment):

    @ sisyphus

    Feral or Federal jurisdiction? They seem to be merging nowadays. Here in South Korea, they haven’t gone quite that far with the bag situation. The stores encourage ‘eco-friendly’ shopping bags, but you can still do spur-of-the-moment shopping without your virtue bag. The store will still charge you 50 or 100 won (5 or 10 cents) for a plastic bag, but they don’t say it’s for charity, they just charge you. Some of the smaller stores still use paper bags.

    I am well acquainted with federal jurisdictions, or encampments, I have worked in them, and I certainly meant feral. Los Angeles, Detroit, New York City, DC, Richmond, Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Berkeley, and the list goes on. Looting. arson, assault, and murder conducted with impunity by the Left, while those standing in visible range of a federal building wearing an opposition hat are arrested and held without bail or due process for years.

    The vagaries of federal jurisdictions are such that federally administered health facilities are promising abortions in states where they are illegal. Military bases, Veterans Administration facilities, etcetera. I have no idea where the law lands on that, but reversal is only an executive order away. Other features of federal jurisdiction is that the enforcement across the board is and has been generally surer and harsher on even mundane speeding charges. I expect that even woke administration will not see the feral disorder generally extend to federal jurisdictions because a looted PX is a dangerous thing in the way a looted Target is not, and because the federal workforce is a key constituency not to be trifled with.

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  13. Sisyphus Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Just to be snarky (and even more ableist), why would one possibly need a bag for Best Buy purchases? One doesn’t buy a cartful of items at Best Buy. One is generally buying one or a few items. The larger items are already in packaging in which they were individually delivered to the store. Such boxes should be more than adequate for taking the item from the store to home. The vacuum cleaner I bought two weeks ago (which wouldn’t fit in any bag anyway) and the laptop computer I bought about six weeks ago both carried the shipping labels on the boxes. Otherwise one is buying no more than two or three small items (cables, phone or computer cases, etc.) that should be easy to carry without a bag.

    (OK, this is assuming my local Best Buy is typical – strip mall with ample parking 150 feet from the front door, and a staff willing to carry the particularly large items like large televisions to your car if you pull up to the front door. I suppose if a Best Buy is in a mall in which a customer might continue shopping at other stores while carrying his Best Buy purchases the experience might be different.)

    Ahh, snark. Let’s simplify the question. Any store that sells me things that are more conveniently managed in a bag than loose that wants to charge me for the bag will be liberated from my oppressive patronage thence forward. One less person of pallor lining up to buy thumb drives or phone covers or tablets. Best Buy has been a convenient place to do these things, but ingratitude for the purchase is indicative of a deeper, corrosive rot and a misguided self-righteousness. It is not as if they make too little from the goods to throw in the bags. They mean to teach me a lesson, but they are shaping their customer base in an unnecessary and damaging way and opening market share for their competition. 

    And, to be fair, it may just be this store. This was not an issue in other Best Buys recently, but it is an opportunity to explore the competition. I have been avoiding national chains in general and woke ones in particular. Small business is the lifeblood of the community and the republic. These guys? Not so much.

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  14. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Taras (View Comment):

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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    If you were to go into my garage, you would think I was a prepper who collected plastic bags. Whenever the collection gets to be a little much, I recycle them. I also have brown paper grocery bags.

    We always used plastic shopping bags to put out our trash; they biodegrade in the trunk of the car, so I figure they’ll do the same in a landfill.

    But now nowhere offers simple plastic shopping bags. We either have to put big and bulky multi-use bags in our trunk before shopping or else pay dollars for reusable ones at checkout, that is if they even have them for sale. And this makes spur of he moment shopping harder, which is half our shopping.

    We now have no paper bags for wrapping packages, and no plastic bags for trash and we have to buy big, awkward and fragile garbage bags for our little bit of weekly trash pick-up.

    Who did this? Whose idea has it been?

    I tried lining the flower bed with plastic lags to keep weeds out. They didn’t last long.

    From a “global warming” perspective, the best shopping bag is a plastic bag that goes into the landfill and sits there for a hundred years.

    Biodegrading means releasing its carbon contents to the environment.

    Instead of a hundred years, how about the same length of time that the petroleum sat underground?

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  15. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

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    cdor (View Comment):

    The only way to save the planet is for all humans to die.

    Leftist Keynesian inflationism has generated so much debt that the only way you can pay it off is with procreating more people for labor and more fossil fuels. The whole planet. These people are idiots.

    What would they do if we actually made nuclear fusion work? lol

    I read an old SF story in which the solar system’s uranium companies employed all the smart guys to invent fusion, and they perfected it three times, but the companies buried it because uranium sales were profitable and fusion wasn’t.

    But of course no one would ever actually do anything like that. (Or have they?!)

    The theory that no industry would chase a deflationary price spiral to the point of giving nigh infinitely more product for nigh infinitely lower prices is belied by the last eight decades of the computer industry.

    I despise comparisons between the computer industry’s value progression, which is entirely due to miniaturization, with other parts of the economy where miniaturization isn’t possible.  Until someone figures out how to miniaturize humans, we will be consuming food, shelter, clothing, transportation, and most luxuries in unminiaturized forms.

    Power generation simply doesn’t miniaturize like computers have.

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  16. cdor Member
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    The science supporting plastic bag bans and everything like that is non-existent. It doesn’t net out.

    Do you mean it’s just another act of mindless submission to feckless authorities, like ethanol in the gasoline? Imagine my surprise.

    There were a bunch of good podcasts and articles about this years ago. Hygiene. Nobody is going to clean shopping bags enough. How long it takes a permanent bag to net out from using plastic bags from the manufacturing process. It’s literally like 20,000 or something. Of course you can reuse plastic bags at home.

    I mean it’s a slam dunk.

    It doesn’t get much publicity in this sense, but it’s definitely one of the dumbest policies ever invented.

    There have already been cases of norovirus from reusable bag contamination. Those were ones serious enough to require hospitalizations, imagine how many didn’t.

    Wow, I had never heard of that! Our big shopping is at Costco. We just put the stuff back in the cart after scanning and transfer to our bags at the car. Everywhere else when asked “Paper or Plastic?”,  I always say plastic. It saves the trees and is recyclable. I have to admit, however, we humans do create a lot of trash.

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  17. Percival Thatcher
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):
    Power generation simply doesn’t miniaturize like computers have.

    Power generation is also about 125 years older than the integrated circuit, to pick an arbitrary point for measurement. There has been a lot more time to wring out efficiency. Will there be future breakthroughs? Maybe. You can be sure that people are looking.

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  18. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    The only way to save the planet is for all humans to die.

    Leaving the question, who have you saved it for?

    The non-human animals and the plants. I believe that humans should not exist truly is the view of most of the hard-core environmentalists.

    If you are of the atheist pure evolutionary belief system, humans were successful in getting to the top of the food chain only because humans unfairly exploited other creatures and plants, and therefore don’t deserve the rewards for such exploitation (a view commonly seen in less dramatic form in “the left’s” view of most everything – the successful are successful only because of unfair exploitation, and therefore must not be allowed to persevere in their success).

    If you are of a belief system that says that an all-knowing, all powerful deity designed the world and put humans at the top of the pecking order (particularly the Judeo-Christian belief system), the humans didn’t do anything to deserve that position and therefore must not be allowed to persevere in the position in which they have been placed.

    For justice to prevail, the world must be freed of humans and their inherently malicious input. Humans must disappear so that the proper world without humans can operate more equitably.

    That no non-human animals or plants have the reasoning capacity to appreciate the resulting equitable world is irrelevant. 

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  19. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    cdor (View Comment):

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    The science supporting plastic bag bans and everything like that is non-existent. It doesn’t net out.

    Do you mean it’s just another act of mindless submission to feckless authorities, like ethanol in the gasoline? Imagine my surprise.

    There were a bunch of good podcasts and articles about this years ago. Hygiene. Nobody is going to clean shopping bags enough. How long it takes a permanent bag to net out from using plastic bags from the manufacturing process. It’s literally like 20,000 or something. Of course you can reuse plastic bags at home.

    I mean it’s a slam dunk.

    It doesn’t get much publicity in this sense, but it’s definitely one of the dumbest policies ever invented.

    There have already been cases of norovirus from reusable bag contamination. Those were ones serious enough to require hospitalizations, imagine how many didn’t.

    Wow, I had never heard of that! Our big shopping is at Costco. We just put the stuff back in the cart after scanning and transfer to our bags at the car. Everywhere else when asked “Paper or Plastic?”, I always say plastic. It saves the trees and is recyclable. I have to admit, however, we humans do create a lot of trash.

    The suburban “anti-racism” ladies send mountains of waste to the landfills.  

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  20. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    cdor (View Comment):
    Wow, I had never heard of that! Our big shopping is at Costco. We just put the stuff back in the cart after scanning and transfer to our bags at the car. Everywhere else when asked “Paper or Plastic?”,  I always say plastic. It saves the trees and is recyclable. I have to admit, however, we humans do create a lot of trash.

    Norovirus Outbreak Traced to Reusable Grocery Bag (webmd.com)

    It was a while back, but I suspect that most of any follow-on stories just aren’t mentioned.

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  21. Flicker Coolidge
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    The science supporting plastic bag bans and everything like that is non-existent. It doesn’t net out.

    Do you mean it’s just another act of mindless submission to feckless authorities, like ethanol in the gasoline? Imagine my surprise.

    There were a bunch of good podcasts and articles about this years ago. Hygiene. Nobody is going to clean shopping bags enough. How long it takes a permanent bag to net out from using plastic bags from the manufacturing process. It’s literally like 20,000 or something. Of course you can reuse plastic bags at home.

    I mean it’s a slam dunk.

    It doesn’t get much publicity in this sense, but it’s definitely one of the dumbest policies ever invented.

    There have already been cases of norovirus from reusable bag contamination. Those were ones serious enough to require hospitalizations, imagine how many didn’t.

    Wow, I had never heard of that! Our big shopping is at Costco. We just put the stuff back in the cart after scanning and transfer to our bags at the car. Everywhere else when asked “Paper or Plastic?”, I always say plastic. It saves the trees and is recyclable. I have to admit, however, we humans do create a lot of trash.

    The suburban “anti-racism” ladies send mountains of waste to the landfills.

    But we always have.  Gehenna was a valley full of trash that apparently was perpetually smoldering.  Before that where did cave men throw their bones?

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  22. Taras Coolidge
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    If you were to go into my garage, you would think I was a prepper who collected plastic bags. Whenever the collection gets to be a little much, I recycle them. I also have brown paper grocery bags.

    We always used plastic shopping bags to put out our trash; they biodegrade in the trunk of the car, so I figure they’ll do the same in a landfill.

    But now nowhere offers simple plastic shopping bags. We either have to put big and bulky multi-use bags in our trunk before shopping or else pay dollars for reusable ones at checkout, that is if they even have them for sale. And this makes spur of he moment shopping harder, which is half our shopping.

    We now have no paper bags for wrapping packages, and no plastic bags for trash and we have to buy big, awkward and fragile garbage bags for our little bit of weekly trash pick-up.

    Who did this? Whose idea has it been?

    I tried lining the flower bed with plastic lags to keep weeds out. They didn’t last long.

    From a “global warming” perspective, the best shopping bag is a plastic bag that goes into the landfill and sits there for a hundred years.

    Biodegrading means releasing its carbon contents to the environment.

    Instead of a hundred years, how about the same length of time that the petroleum sat underground?

    According to a Young-Earth Creationist, that is about a hundred years.  [;)]

    Seriously, microrobots will be mining all the landfills in 50 years.

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  23. Skyler Coolidge
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    If you are of the atheist pure evolutionary belief system, humans were successful in getting to the top of the food chain only because humans unfairly exploited other creatures and plants, and therefore don’t deserve the rewards for such exploitation (a view commonly seen in less dramatic form in “the left’s” view of most everything – the successful are successful only because of unfair exploitation, and therefore must not be allowed to persevere in their success).

    Where do people get these ridiculous ideas?  What on Earth makes you think atheists think that way?

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  24. Eeyore Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Hygiene. Nobody is going to clean shopping bags enough.

    Whenever I see the reusable-bag people at WallyWorld, they almost always look like Cat Ladies. And I assume, therefore, that they keep the empties in the laundry room, tucked behind the litter box.

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  25. RufusRJones Member
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    Eeyore (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Hygiene. Nobody is going to clean shopping bags enough.

    Whenever I see the reusable-bag people at WallyWorld, they almost always look like Cat Ladies. And I assume, therefore, that they keep the empties in the laundry room, tucked behind the litter box.

    Years ago when I was devouring all of this stuff, it looked to me like this was a clear problem.

    There is tons of data from every vector that they shouldn’t be doing this.

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  26. Bishop Wash Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Eeyore (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Hygiene. Nobody is going to clean shopping bags enough.

    Whenever I see the reusable-bag people at WallyWorld, they almost always look like Cat Ladies. And I assume, therefore, that they keep the empties in the laundry room, tucked behind the litter box.

    Years ago when I was devouring all of this stuff, it looked to me like this was a clear problem.

    There is tons of data from every vector that they shouldn’t be doing this.

    In 2020, Albuquerque had implemented a plastic bag ban and stores pushed the reusable bags. Sometime during the lockdown, when it was thought Flu Manchu was spread on surfaces, reusable bags were determined to be disease spreaders and banned from stores. Now both are back. The plastic bag ban was put on hold during the pandemic but I thought was reinstated this summer. Still see the plastic bags at the grocery store though. 

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