Why the Border Matters

 

I’ve been re-reading Confessions of a Heretic, a collection of essays by Roger Scruton that was published in 2016, the year after his death. Scruton’s prose is both entirely accessible—he prefers plain language and straightforward sentences—and so rich that I find myself stopping again and again to savor this sentence or ponder that paragraph. Take the question of borders. I’d always thought of borders as purely utilitarian—the place where our law stops and theirs begins. Crude, but necessary. Scruton demonstrates instead that borders represent one of mankind’s highest achievements:

The national idea is not the enemy of Enlightenment but its necessary precondition. The country is defined by a territory, and by the history, culture, and law that have made that territory ours…. Take away borders, and people begin to identify themselves not by territory and law, but by tribe, race, or religion. In short, Enlightenment means borders.

The bureaucrats who run the European Union, the Biden administration—both seem to suppose that borders represent throwbacks, mere hindrances that need to be overcome, transcended, ignored, removed. They have it backward. The rule of law, a certain level of decency and civilization—all depend on borders. Rip down the borders, Scruton shows, and you rip down civilization.

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  1. Barfly Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Can anybody help me source this quote, presumably Solzhenitsyn?  “What if the whole fearsome edifice is just so much papier-mache, and if poked hard, will collapse to show how flimsy is our prison?

    Something like that.

    We have only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.

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  2. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Do you know we actually put together a nation in the late 1700’s where individual freedom was enumerated as the highest priority right to be guaranteed to the people by the government?

    Border control was not high on the list of priorities perhaps because of the transportation difficulty associated with any potential interference with that right to individual liberty but as things changed the need for border control changed. So, once upon a time, we actually had a world where we were able to separate those who cherished individual liberty from those who preferred group dominance. In that world, there were always those who chose to migrate to America, not so much going the other way.

    Now we face the possible loss of that choice.

    Actually, in the more complete list, liberty was the last priority listed (out of six).  That’s in the preamble to the Constitution:

    • Secure a more perfect Union
    • Establish justice
    • Ensure domestic tranquility
    • Provide for the common defense
    • Promote the general welfare
    • Secure the blessings of liberty

    I wouldn’t necessarily conclude that liberty is the least important of these, as I don’t interpret it as a rank-ordered list.  But liberty was just one of six.

    Americans were quite significantly regulated for most of our national existence, especially in matters of morality and sexuality.  It was considered perfectly appropriate, from the 1770s through the 1960s, to prohibit all sorts of behavior — premarital sex, adultery, homosexuality, alcohol consumption, drug use, gambling, prostitution, pornography, and so on.

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  3. Bob Thompson Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Do you know we actually put together a nation in the late 1700’s where individual freedom was enumerated as the highest priority right to be guaranteed to the people by the government?

    Border control was not high on the list of priorities perhaps because of the transportation difficulty associated with any potential interference with that right to individual liberty but as things changed the need for border control changed. So, once upon a time, we actually had a world where we were able to separate those who cherished individual liberty from those who preferred group dominance. In that world, there were always those who chose to migrate to America, not so much going the other way.

    Now we face the possible loss of that choice.

    Actually, in the more complete list, liberty was the last priority listed (out of six). That’s in the preamble to the Constitution:

    • Secure a more perfect Union
    • Establish justice
    • Ensure domestic tranquility
    • Provide for the common defense
    • Promote the general welfare
    • Secure the blessings of liberty

    I wouldn’t necessarily conclude that liberty is the least important of these, as I don’t interpret it as a rank-ordered list. But liberty was just one of six.

    Americans were quite significantly regulated for most of our national existence, especially in matters of morality and sexuality. It was considered perfectly appropriate, from the 1770s through the 1960s, to prohibit all sorts of behavior — premarital sex, adultery, homosexuality, alcohol consumption, drug use, gambling, prostitution, pornography, and so on.

    The list in the preamble is very general as it should be for matters affecting all Americans in common ways. But when discussions and compromising was done, the Virginia delegation thought more specific language and guarantees were needed to insure the new federal government did not infringe liberty of individual Americans so we got the Bill of Rights which over the two and a half centuries of our existence seems to get a lot more attention than the preamble. I would venture that the first and second amendments to the Constitution have garnered the greatest attention and are the most important elements of the Constitution for patriotic Americans. That’s where I took my reference.

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  4. Bob Thompson Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    Americans were quite significantly regulated for most of our national existence, especially in matters of morality and sexuality.  It was considered perfectly appropriate, from the 1770s through the 1960s, to prohibit all sorts of behavior — premarital sex, adultery, homosexuality, alcohol consumption, drug use, gambling, prostitution, pornography, and so on.

    IANAL, but I think almost all of the regulation of Americans with regard to the things you note above was accomplished under the authority of state governments, although one must recognize the Feds try at every opportunity to enter the fray.

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  5. The Reticulator Member
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    BDB (View Comment):
    I’ll raise you one there — the importance of borders was so well understood that nobody thought it needed to be spelled out, and more than the need for food.  Same for citizenship.

    Not for citizenship, at least not in the early republic. Ron Formisano has shown how it was a closely contested issue (as a requirement for voting) in the early days of Michigan. But it’s understandable how some people thought residency was sufficient back when people were not as mobile as now. 

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  6. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Americans were quite significantly regulated for most of our national existence, especially in matters of morality and sexuality. It was considered perfectly appropriate, from the 1770s through the 1960s, to prohibit all sorts of behavior — premarital sex, adultery, homosexuality, alcohol consumption, drug use, gambling, prostitution, pornography, and so on.

    And exactly how much did these laws prohibit these things? 

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  7. BDB Inactive
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    Perhaps this would be a good time to get back to the border.

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  8. Henry Castaigne Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Perhaps this would be a good time to get back to the border.

    I personally have no idea about Indonesia and what policies Indonesia should have. (Besides basic capitalism.) So it is a good thing that I don’t vote about Indonesian stuff. 

    So you should vote about stuff you know and borders accomplish that.

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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Americans were quite significantly regulated for most of our national existence, especially in matters of morality and sexuality. It was considered perfectly appropriate, from the 1770s through the 1960s, to prohibit all sorts of behavior — premarital sex, adultery, homosexuality, alcohol consumption, drug use, gambling, prostitution, pornography, and so on.

    And exactly how much did these laws prohibit these things?

    In a lot of those situations, the law provided no protection. Have a child out of wedlock? You are not entitled to the father’s support.

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  10. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Stina (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Americans were quite significantly regulated for most of our national existence, especially in matters of morality and sexuality. It was considered perfectly appropriate, from the 1770s through the 1960s, to prohibit all sorts of behavior — premarital sex, adultery, homosexuality, alcohol consumption, drug use, gambling, prostitution, pornography, and so on.

    And exactly how much did these laws prohibit these things?

    In a lot of those situations, the law provided no protection. Have a child out of wedlock? You are not entitled to the father’s support.

    And that’s why the womenfolk where pickier about there menfolk. They needed a man to support them while they were preggers.

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    Stina (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Americans were quite significantly regulated for most of our national existence, especially in matters of morality and sexuality. It was considered perfectly appropriate, from the 1770s through the 1960s, to prohibit all sorts of behavior — premarital sex, adultery, homosexuality, alcohol consumption, drug use, gambling, prostitution, pornography, and so on.

    And exactly how much did these laws prohibit these things?

    In a lot of those situations, the law provided no protection. Have a child out of wedlock? You are not entitled to the father’s support.

    Two points — that *is* protection of one sort (but not ideal), and society used to be far better equipped to handle these things.

    Single mothers and drug addicts earn nearly equal sympathy from me when the arguemnt devolves to “Well, X didn’t have the benefit of a decent upbringing.”  It’s Officer Krupke all the way down, and that’s an important component (similar to a swift ass-kicking for those men who misplace their seed) providing an incentive for people to do right.  We didn’t lift ourselves from the Serengeti by letting things slide.

    I am IN FAVOR OF shotgun weddings for the usual purpose.  Men, take responsibility for your actions.  And now with modern technology, I also support mandatory paternity testing for every newborn.  Women, take responsibility for your actions.

    Um lessee, the topic is borders, so I support these things *within our borders* as a matter of law, and am silent on what some garbage-pit country does.  And let them shut up about us.

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