Political Hell Fire

 

Perhaps it shouldn’t be so surprising at all that Biden’s speech about our third imminent existential threat* was shouted in front of a backdrop that resembled the glow of a hellish conflagration.

After all, Obama gave his 2008 Dem nomination speech before Greek columns, but they were not just ordinarily arranged columns, they were a mini mock-up of the Pergamum Altar.  Notice the long row of columns in the back behind high central steps with columned walkways coming forward from both corners.

  Lights, camera, action: The stage is set for Obama's speech tonight

A massive structure built in 200 BC on the highest point in Pergamum in Turkey, the city which Jesus referred to in letter to the Church at Pergamum, saying “I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold firmly to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.”  This altar itself is said to be the Throne of Satan.

This structure was unearthed and put on permanent display in a museum in Berlin in the early 20th century through the rise of Hitler until the end of WWII.  And then in 1945 it was moved to Moscow where it remained under Stalin’s tenure, before being returned to Berlin in 1959, where today it is once again on permanent display in a huge museum built to enclose it.

Considering that when Obama was on his inaugural world “apology” tour, he specifically went to Berlin and specifically to see this ancient altar, perhaps it is less remarkable that 0bama’s “Greek columns” are patterned to resemble the Pergamum Altar.

*Read: catastrophic Trump; the first two being AGW and the on-going world-wide pandemics.

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  1. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Interesting. 

    Considering they want us dead, it does seem the hand of the enemy is at work.

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  2. Mad Gerald Coolidge
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    Rev 2:13 “‘I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. Yet you hold fast my name, and you did not deny my faith even in the days of Antipas my faithful witness, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. 

    Written by John in the book of Revelations, Chapter 2.  Obviously not a fan.

    If I ever make it to Berlin I hope to see the alter of Zeus.

    I was able to visit Pergamum, now Bergama in Turkey.  I saw the wide base from which the alter had been removed.  An sealed aqueduct system pushed water up to the hilltop.

    There is an interesting museum there.  There are also gravestones inscribed in Hebrew, attesting to a Jewish community there at one time. 

    There is a amphitheater cut into a steep hillside near where the alter was.  It’s in surprisingly good condition.  American students, whose parents are military and diplomatic staff in nearby Izmir have held commencement ceremonies there.

    In the valley below is the Asklepion, very interesting in it’s own right.

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  3. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    The first thing I thought of was the scene from The Wall.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/e1uVPR6K9ouPrRyU7

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  4. Flicker Coolidge
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    Rev 2:13 “‘I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. Yet you hold fast my name, and you did not deny my faith even in the days of Antipas my faithful witness, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.

    Written by John in the book of Revelations, Chapter 2. Obviously not a fan.

    If I ever make it to Berlin I hope to see the alter of Zeus.

    I was able to visit Pergamum, now Bergama in Turkey. I saw the wide base from which the alter had been removed. An sealed aqueduct system pushed water up to the hilltop.

    There is an interesting museum there. There are also gravestones inscribed in Hebrew, attesting to a Jewish community there at one time.

    There is a amphitheater cut into a steep hillside near where the alter was. It’s in surprisingly good condition. American students, whose parents are military and diplomatic staff in nearby Izmir have held commencement ceremonies there.

    In the valley below is the Asklepion, very interesting in it’s own right.

    Thanks.  There are a lot of fascinating things to see and know.  I’d like to go there at least to see the landscape that those saw 2,400 years ago.

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    The first thing I thought of was the scene from The Wall.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/e1uVPR6K9ouPrRyU7

    Yeah, I’ve never paid much attention to political dystopian imagery, but I am surprised now that they all use a blood-red backdrop.  One would think that if this was not what Biden’s team had wanted to portray, they’d have known better.

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    The first thing I thought of was the scene from The Wall.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/e1uVPR6K9ouPrRyU7

    Yeah, I’ve never paid much attention to political dystopian imagery, but I am surprised now that they all use a blood-red backdrop. One would think that if this was not what Biden’s team had wanted to portray, they’d have known better.

    I don’t know if it’s plausible to assume that Biden’s people are enough smarter than him, to go beyond thinking “red, white, and blue” even if the viewing audience only ends up seeing red.

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  7. Rodin Member
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    I catch a whiff of sulfur in the air. 

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  8. Vince Guerra Member
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    They do love their evil symbolism. Ever seen a SuperBowl Halftime show in the last few years? 

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    My Halloween house decoration will be the speech looping projected onto my garage door and Mercyful Fate, Danzig, and Slayer as very loud background music.

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    The first thing I thought of was the scene from The Wall.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/e1uVPR6K9ouPrRyU7

    Yeah, I’ve never paid much attention to political dystopian imagery, but I am surprised now that they all use a blood-red backdrop. One would think that if this was not what Biden’s team had wanted to portray, they’d have known better.

    I don’t know if it’s plausible to assume that Biden’s people are enough smarter than him, to go beyond thinking “red, white, and blue” even if the viewing audience only ends up seeing red.

    No, that was done by professional lighting designers.  Nothing is done in lighting without knowing what effect you want, without answering the questions, what, why, and how?

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    The first thing I thought of was the scene from The Wall.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/e1uVPR6K9ouPrRyU7

    Yeah, I’ve never paid much attention to political dystopian imagery, but I am surprised now that they all use a blood-red backdrop. One would think that if this was not what Biden’s team had wanted to portray, they’d have known better.

    I don’t know if it’s plausible to assume that Biden’s people are enough smarter than him, to go beyond thinking “red, white, and blue” even if the viewing audience only ends up seeing red.

    No, that was done by professional lighting designers. Nothing is done in lighting without knowing what effect you want, without answering the questions, what, why, and how?

    Can’t lefty lighting designers be as clueless as other lefties?

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    The first thing I thought of was the scene from The Wall.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/e1uVPR6K9ouPrRyU7

    Yeah, I’ve never paid much attention to political dystopian imagery, but I am surprised now that they all use a blood-red backdrop. One would think that if this was not what Biden’s team had wanted to portray, they’d have known better.

    I don’t know if it’s plausible to assume that Biden’s people are enough smarter than him, to go beyond thinking “red, white, and blue” even if the viewing audience only ends up seeing red.

    No, that was done by professional lighting designers. Nothing is done in lighting without knowing what effect you want, without answering the questions, what, why, and how?

    Can’t lefty lighting designers be as clueless as other lefties?

    It’s not like taking a flashlight out of your kitchen drawer and shining it on the wall.  Every one of these things had to be physically arranged and programmed.  And these people are experts.

    For people’s homes, people have a theme and a vision.  And that’s just a couple picking out the colors of their walls.  And that’s not even taking into account color consultants and the psychology of colors.

    And remember the choice of nighttime was just for the purpose of being able to use colored lighting.

    No, nothing happens by accident.

     

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    The first thing I thought of was the scene from The Wall.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/e1uVPR6K9ouPrRyU7

    Yeah, I’ve never paid much attention to political dystopian imagery, but I am surprised now that they all use a blood-red backdrop. One would think that if this was not what Biden’s team had wanted to portray, they’d have known better.

    I don’t know if it’s plausible to assume that Biden’s people are enough smarter than him, to go beyond thinking “red, white, and blue” even if the viewing audience only ends up seeing red.

    No, that was done by professional lighting designers. Nothing is done in lighting without knowing what effect you want, without answering the questions, what, why, and how?

    Can’t lefty lighting designers be as clueless as other lefties?

    It’s not like taking a flashlight out of your kitchen drawer and shining it on the wall. Every one of these things had to be physically arranged and programmed. And these people are experts.

    For people’s homes, people have a theme and a vision. And that’s just a couple picking out the colors of their walls. And that’s not even taking into account color consultants and the psychology of colors.

    And remember the choice of nighttime was just for the purpose of being able to use colored lighting.

    No, nothing happens by accident.

     

    But if all they cared about was the red, why have the white and blue at all?

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    The first thing I thought of was the scene from The Wall.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/e1uVPR6K9ouPrRyU7

    Yeah, I’ve never paid much attention to political dystopian imagery, but I am surprised now that they all use a blood-red backdrop. One would think that if this was not what Biden’s team had wanted to portray, they’d have known better.

    I don’t know if it’s plausible to assume that Biden’s people are enough smarter than him, to go beyond thinking “red, white, and blue” even if the viewing audience only ends up seeing red.

    No, that was done by professional lighting designers. Nothing is done in lighting without knowing what effect you want, without answering the questions, what, why, and how?

    Can’t lefty lighting designers be as clueless as other lefties?

    It’s not like taking a flashlight out of your kitchen drawer and shining it on the wall. Every one of these things had to be physically arranged and programmed. And these people are experts.

    For people’s homes, people have a theme and a vision. And that’s just a couple picking out the colors of their walls. And that’s not even taking into account color consultants and the psychology of colors.

    And remember the choice of nighttime was just for the purpose of being able to use colored lighting.

    No, nothing happens by accident.

    But if all they cared about was the red, why have the white and blue at all?

    The camera angles are part of it.  Only one color was Biden’s backdrop.  The Marines were standing in front of the red lighting.  If you think it was just coincidence, that’s fine.

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    The first thing I thought of was the scene from The Wall.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/e1uVPR6K9ouPrRyU7

    Yeah, I’ve never paid much attention to political dystopian imagery, but I am surprised now that they all use a blood-red backdrop. One would think that if this was not what Biden’s team had wanted to portray, they’d have known better.

    I don’t know if it’s plausible to assume that Biden’s people are enough smarter than him, to go beyond thinking “red, white, and blue” even if the viewing audience only ends up seeing red.

    No, that was done by professional lighting designers. Nothing is done in lighting without knowing what effect you want, without answering the questions, what, why, and how?

    Can’t lefty lighting designers be as clueless as other lefties?

    It’s not like taking a flashlight out of your kitchen drawer and shining it on the wall. Every one of these things had to be physically arranged and programmed. And these people are experts.

    For people’s homes, people have a theme and a vision. And that’s just a couple picking out the colors of their walls. And that’s not even taking into account color consultants and the psychology of colors.

    And remember the choice of nighttime was just for the purpose of being able to use colored lighting.

    No, nothing happens by accident.

    But if all they cared about was the red, why have the white and blue at all?

    The camera angles are part of it. Only one color was Biden’s backdrop. The Marines were standing in front of the red lighting. If you think it was just coincidence, that’s fine.

    Wouldn’t the only people who would see the red, white, and blue, be the people who were there in person?  Most people didn’t see it “live.”

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    The first thing I thought of was the scene from The Wall.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/e1uVPR6K9ouPrRyU7

    Yeah, I’ve never paid much attention to political dystopian imagery, but I am surprised now that they all use a blood-red backdrop. One would think that if this was not what Biden’s team had wanted to portray, they’d have known better.

    I don’t know if it’s plausible to assume that Biden’s people are enough smarter than him, to go beyond thinking “red, white, and blue” even if the viewing audience only ends up seeing red.

    No, that was done by professional lighting designers. Nothing is done in lighting without knowing what effect you want, without answering the questions, what, why, and how?

    Can’t lefty lighting designers be as clueless as other lefties?

    It’s not like taking a flashlight out of your kitchen drawer and shining it on the wall. Every one of these things had to be physically arranged and programmed. And these people are experts.

    For people’s homes, people have a theme and a vision. And that’s just a couple picking out the colors of their walls. And that’s not even taking into account color consultants and the psychology of colors.

    And remember the choice of nighttime was just for the purpose of being able to use colored lighting.

    No, nothing happens by accident.

    But if all they cared about was the red, why have the white and blue at all?

    The camera angles are part of it. Only one color was Biden’s backdrop. The Marines were standing in front of the red lighting. If you think it was just coincidence, that’s fine.

    Wouldn’t the only people who would see the red, white, and blue, be the people who were there in person? Most people didn’t see it “live.”

    Yes, it does seem like they wanted the people who watched it to see the red background behind Biden.

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    The first thing I thought of was the scene from The Wall.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/e1uVPR6K9ouPrRyU7

    Yeah, I’ve never paid much attention to political dystopian imagery, but I am surprised now that they all use a blood-red backdrop. One would think that if this was not what Biden’s team had wanted to portray, they’d have known better.

    I don’t know if it’s plausible to assume that Biden’s people are enough smarter than him, to go beyond thinking “red, white, and blue” even if the viewing audience only ends up seeing red.

    No, that was done by professional lighting designers. Nothing is done in lighting without knowing what effect you want, without answering the questions, what, why, and how?

    Can’t lefty lighting designers be as clueless as other lefties?

    It’s not like taking a flashlight out of your kitchen drawer and shining it on the wall. Every one of these things had to be physically arranged and programmed. And these people are experts.

    For people’s homes, people have a theme and a vision. And that’s just a couple picking out the colors of their walls. And that’s not even taking into account color consultants and the psychology of colors.

    And remember the choice of nighttime was just for the purpose of being able to use colored lighting.

    No, nothing happens by accident.

    But if all they cared about was the red, why have the white and blue at all?

    The camera angles are part of it. Only one color was Biden’s backdrop. The Marines were standing in front of the red lighting. If you think it was just coincidence, that’s fine.

    Wouldn’t the only people who would see the red, white, and blue, be the people who were there in person? Most people didn’t see it “live.”

    Yes, it does seem like they wanted the people who watched it to see the red background behind Biden.

    Right, and since that would be a MUCH larger number than the live audience, why even bother with the white and blue?

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  18. Sisyphus Member
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    The intention was to frighten. The people cowering behind walls in DC want us to be the ones that are scared. Good luck with that, pond scum.

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    The first thing I thought of was the scene from The Wall.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/e1uVPR6K9ouPrRyU7

    Yeah, I’ve never paid much attention to political dystopian imagery, but I am surprised now that they all use a blood-red backdrop. One would think that if this was not what Biden’s team had wanted to portray, they’d have known better.

    I don’t know if it’s plausible to assume that Biden’s people are enough smarter than him, to go beyond thinking “red, white, and blue” even if the viewing audience only ends up seeing red.

    No, that was done by professional lighting designers. Nothing is done in lighting without knowing what effect you want, without answering the questions, what, why, and how?

    Can’t lefty lighting designers be as clueless as other lefties?

    It’s not like taking a flashlight out of your kitchen drawer and shining it on the wall. Every one of these things had to be physically arranged and programmed. And these people are experts.

    For people’s homes, people have a theme and a vision. And that’s just a couple picking out the colors of their walls. And that’s not even taking into account color consultants and the psychology of colors.

    And remember the choice of nighttime was just for the purpose of being able to use colored lighting.

    No, nothing happens by accident.

    But if all they cared about was the red, why have the white and blue at all?

    The camera angles are part of it. Only one color was Biden’s backdrop. The Marines were standing in front of the red lighting. If you think it was just coincidence, that’s fine.

    Wouldn’t the only people who would see the red, white, and blue, be the people who were there in person? Most people didn’t see it “live.”

    Yes, it does seem like they wanted the people who watched it to see the red background behind Biden.

    Right, and since that would be a MUCH larger number than the live audience, why even bother with the white and blue?

    To give their hellish set plausible deniability. 

    Like Obama scratching his forehead with his middle finger with a contemptuous look . 

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    Right, and since that would be a MUCH larger number than the live audience, why even bother with the white and blue?

    Camouflage?

    I’m not sure what you’re point is about questioning the use of white light that wouldn’t be seen at home.  I mean, we do see it, and that’s how we know about it.

    But given the fact that everything in politics is highly choreographed, especially for Biden, you seem to be saying that the red background has no meaning.  Really?  What makes you think it was not designed, was not intended to mean anything, and was just happenstance?

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    Right, and since that would be a MUCH larger number than the live audience, why even bother with the white and blue?

    Camouflage?

    I’m not sure what you’re point is about questioning the use of white light that wouldn’t be seen at home. I mean, we do see it, and that’s how we know about it.

    But given the fact that everything in politics is highly choreographed, especially for Biden, you seem to be saying that the red background has no meaning. Really? What makes you think it was not designed, was not intended to mean anything, and was just happenstance?

    I don’t mean that the red lighting was happenstance.  Just that the fact that, in the TV view, ALL YOU REALLY SEE is the red lighting.  Seems at least possible that someone didn’t realize that the white and blue wouldn’t be visible in the TV frame.

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    The intention was to frighten. The people cowering behind walls in DC want us to be the ones that are scared. Good luck with that, pond scum.

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    Upon seeing and hearing excerpts from the speech, and in particular seeing that photo (the first in your post where the angle causes Biden’s podium to obscure the American flag), I thought of the Lichtdom (Cathedral of Light):

    The Cathedral of Light or Lichtdom was a main aesthetic feature of the Nazi Party rallies in Nuremberg from 1934 to 1938. Designed by architect Albert Speer, it consisted of 152 anti-aircraft searchlights, at intervals of 12 metres, aimed skyward to create a series of vertical bars surrounding the audience. The Cathedral of Light was documented in the Nazi propaganda film Festliches Nürnberg, released in 1937.

    Speer had been commissioned by Adolf Hitler to build a stadium for the annual party rallies, but the stadium could not be completed in time for the 1933 rally. As a stopgap, he used 152 antiaircraft searchlights pointed upwards around the assembly area.

    (More photos from 1937 here.)

    While aesthetically different in terms of color and scale, and the lights were freestanding in Nuremberg while those in Philadelphia illuminated the walls of Independence Hall, both instances conveyed power; one through the sheer scale of the rallies at the Zeppelintribune and the number of party members and soldiers present, the other through the unprecedented presence of Marines at a political speech outlined by blood-red lighting, the sole color seen by television viewers for most of the speech.

    They (the aesthetic designers of Biden’s event) managed to make Independence Hall look sinister (most people only saw the red lighting). Either they’re historically ignorant (like Obama saying “peace in our time” in his 2nd inaugural address (close to Chamberlin who said “peace for our time”)) or they did it on purpose, or both. I’m inclined toward both: they’re ignorant of history, but they wanted to make people scared of the awful MAGA boogiemen with dramatic lighting, while reassuring Americans with the presence of the Marines and a strong, resolute Biden. Unfortunately for them, American soldiers aren’t supposed to be props during political speeches and a majority of Americans interpreted the speech and the photo of Biden posted above as a threat of state-sanctioned violence against half the country.

    On the bright (or blood red) side, they’ve taken the fascist aesthetic to new heights (or depths). Albert Speer and Leni Riefenstahl would be proud.

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    Upon seeing and hearing excerpts from the speech, and in particular seeing that photo (the first in your post where the angle causes Biden’s podium to obscure the American flag), I thought of the Lichtdom (Cathedral of Light):

    Yes, thanks for bringing this up.  It raises a very interesting point.

    You see the Lichtdom in Biden’s speech, but you remind me of the structure of the building at Zeppelinfeld.  I’ve always been struck by it’s design as well.  This may seem like beating a dead horse, but it’s design is closely drawn from the the Pergamon Altar.  Notice again the elevated long back wall that corners forward at the ends.

    The effect was a brilliant one, both from within the design and on the outside.

    I don’t mean to undercut the significance or uniqueness of this shape but I’ve only see it one other place, the Quadrigas Terrace in Rome.  Coincidentally its construction began in 1885 at the tail end of the excavation of the Pergamon Altar which ran from 1878 -1886.

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    DJ EJ (View Comment):
    Upon seeing and hearing excerpts from the speech, and in particular seeing that photo (the first in your post where the angle causes Biden’s podium to obscure the American flag), I thought of the Lichtdom (Cathedral of Light):

    Yes, thanks for bringing this up. It raises a very interesting point.

    You see the Lichtdom in Biden’s speech, but you remind me of the structure of the building at Zeppelinfeld. I’ve always been struck by it’s design as well. This may seem like beating a dead horse, but it’s design is closely drawn from the the Pergamon Altar. Notice again the elevated long back wall that corners forward at the ends.

    The effect was a brilliant one, both from within the design and on the outside.

    I don’t mean to undercut the significance or uniqueness of this shape but I’ve only see it one other place, the Quadrigas Terrace in Rome. Coincidentally its construction began in 1885 at the tail end of the excavation of the Pergamon Altar which ran from 1878 -1886.

    I see the common architectural theme of the Pergamon Altar, and the Lichtdom at the same time. I think you’d agree that they’re not mutually exclusive. Combined they project power. Throw in the two Marines and you have an implied threat that Biden has repeated in subsequent speeches the last few days.

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    Upon seeing and hearing excerpts from the speech, and in particular seeing that photo (the first in your post where the angle causes Biden’s podium to obscure the American flag), I thought of the Lichtdom (Cathedral of Light):

    Yes, thanks for bringing this up. It raises a very interesting point.

    You see the Lichtdom in Biden’s speech, but you remind me of the structure of the building at Zeppelinfeld. I’ve always been struck by it’s design as well. This may seem like beating a dead horse, but it’s design is closely drawn from the the Pergamon Altar. Notice again the elevated long back wall that corners forward at the ends.

    The effect was a brilliant one, both from within the design and on the outside.

    I don’t mean to undercut the significance or uniqueness of this shape but I’ve only see it one other place, the Quadrigas Terrace in Rome. Coincidentally its construction began in 1885 at the tail end of the excavation of the Pergamon Altar which ran from 1878 -1886.

    I see the common architectural theme of the Pergamon Altar, and the Lichtdom at the same time. I think you’d agree that they’re not mutually exclusive. Combined they project power. Throw in the two Marines and you have an implied threat that Biden has repeated in subsequent speeches the last few days.

    In between denials of those speeches.

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  27. Flicker Coolidge
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    DJ EJ (View Comment):
    I think you’d agree that they’re not mutually exclusive.

    Yes, Hitler actually combined the two.  Good point.

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