How Will YOU Save America?

 

Where did it all start going wrong?

You look at what’s happened to our beloved country and despair of ever seeing America recover from the rot and decay that infests its once-proud institutions. You wonder if we’ll ever achieve the same prominence on the world stage. You mourn the loss of real civilizational progress that marked the United States and made us a world superpower.

You’d like to enjoy the decline, but even joy has been stripped from you. The future’s so blight you’re kind of dismayed.

Here’s the set-up, bub.

You’ve just stolen my time machine*, and now have the opportunity to go back in time and change the outcome of one historical event in the past in order to SAVE AMERICA in the present and the future.

Where/When do you go, what event do you change, and how does this fix everything?

Or, to put it another way, what’s the key moment in history that set us on this dread course, and how would a different outcome change things?


*Sorry, it’s still not working properly, so it’s only a one-time, one-way trip.
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  1. Zafar Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    So the A in USA means all of A (except maybe Canada, but maybe them too).

    Definitely them, too. And Australia, just because. It starts with A, doesn’t it? And Antarctica. And Asia. And Africa. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    Anatolia

    Armenia

    Azerbaijan

    Andhra Pradesh

    An eccentric but consistent approach to expansion.

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  2. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    VTK seems to be taking a break, so I’ll just go ahead and tell about Supernatural.

    LOL. That’s the kind of storytelling I like. 

    Kind of like the story where Adolph Hitler is just a young artist on the verge of starvation until driven into deranged antisemitism after narrowly escaping a series of time-traveling Jewish assassins. 

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  3. Arahant Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    So the A in USA means all of A (except maybe Canada, but maybe them too).

    Definitely them, too. And Australia, just because. It starts with A, doesn’t it? And Antarctica. And Asia. And Africa. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    Anatolia

    Armenia

    Azerbaijan

    Andhra Pradesh

    An eccentric but consistent approach to expansion.

    But Europe, we let England have them. Even Austria (Endonym with an O) and Andorra.

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  4. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):
    Off of the top of my head, anytime to prevent Wilson from becoming President and stopping the Progressive amendments.

    There’s a story where a time traveler is sent back in time to assassinate Adolph Hitler. He returns from his mission and reports to his superior. “The time machine malfunctioned. I assassinated President Wilson instead of Hitler.”

    “Who the hell is Hitler?” his superior replies.  

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  5. Arahant Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):
    Off of the top of my head, anytime to prevent Wilson from becoming President and stopping the Progressive amendments.

    There’s a story where a time traveler is sent back in time to assassinate Adolph Hitler. He returns from his mission and reports to his superior. “The time machine malfunctioned. I assassinated President Wilson instead of Hitler.”

    “Who the hell is Hitler?” his superior replies.

    That’s about right. All the worst ideas of the Nazis came from American Progressives.

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  6. Saint Augustine Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    I think I’d stop schools from teaching that facts and values are never the same thing.

    Just to name a few happy effects, that way you get:
    –no more relegating all questions about marriage and abortion to the personal and subjective,
    –no more substituting feelings of outrage or offense for moral and legal reasoning, and
    –no foothold for the idea that the founding principles of the nation were just a white male social construct.

    I’m not sure that’s something you could simply accomplish via time travel, so, disqualified.

    Does it have to be a single discrete event?

    Yes, the OP premise was changing one historical event.

    Since when is a historical trend not an event?

    To elaborate, now that I’m back on a keyboard:

    A trend is when enough similar events happen at the same time.

    When similar events happen at the same thing, their happening at the same time is a thing that happens.

    A thing that happens is an event.

    So a trend is an event.

    No, a trend even as you describe it would be multiple events, no matter how similar they might be.

    It would be multiple events, the convergence of which is also an event.

    Words have meaning. Is an event not a thing that happens? Is a trend not a thing that happens?

    The OP was changing ONE event.

    And you assume it means just one event? That’s a fine interpretation, in which case no trends. It’s an interpretation that would probably never have occurred to me, but it’s a fine interpretation.

    I think he could have written “one event or series of events” etc, if that’s what he meant.

    I don’t get that. Words have meaning, don’t they? Is an event not a thing that happens? Seems simple enough.

    But if one means just one, then obviously no trends, and I would need a new answer. Also simple enough.

    Right. And the OP specified a single event.

    “One” may reasonably be taken to imply “just one,” but does not specifically say as much. A trend is one thing that happens, and one thing that happens is one event.

    Assuming the “just one” implication, I need a new answer. Tough call.

    No federal education funding comes to mind.

    So that probably becomes “prevent the establishment of the federal Department of Education.”

    That would really help!  But maybe something earlier would do more.  I’m not sure.

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    VTK seems to be taking a break, so I’ll just go ahead and tell about Supernatural.

    LOL. That’s the kind of storytelling I like.

    Kind of like the story where Adolph Hitler is just a young artist on the verge of starvation until driven into deranged antisemitism after narrowly escaping a series of time-traveling Jewish assassins.

    Yep, that’s one of the “trying to STOP Hitler is what CAUSES Hitler” things that pops up in sci-fi occasionally.  Another was an episode of one of the reboot “Twilight Zone” series-es, where the lovely Katherine Heigl goes back in time to kill baby Hitler, and when she does, one of the other housekeepers replaces the previously-normal baby that was killed, with the bastard child of her psychotic sister or something.

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  8. Zafar Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    So the A in USA means all of A (except maybe Canada, but maybe them too).

    Definitely them, too. And Australia, just because. It starts with A, doesn’t it? And Antarctica. And Asia. And Africa. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    Anatolia

    Armenia

    Azerbaijan

    Andhra Pradesh

    An eccentric but consistent approach to expansion.

    But Europe, we let England have them. Even Austria (Endonym with an O) and Andorra.

    Which means, really, that Germany takes England (or perhaps Russia takes them all)?

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    VTK seems to be taking a break, so I’ll just go ahead and tell about Supernatural.

    LOL. That’s the kind of storytelling I like.

    Kind of like the story where Adolph Hitler is just a young artist on the verge of starvation until driven into deranged antisemitism after narrowly escaping a series of time-traveling Jewish assassins.

    I should also relate the other Niven story for your enjoyment, briefly.

    “The Return Of William Proxmire” postulates that the senator known for the “Golden Fleece Awards” finds a scientist who has discovered time-travel.  Proxmire wants to reduce wasteful spending, such as the space program, and has found that many space scientists credited sci-fi writer Robert Heinlein with their career path.

    Heinlein became a sci-fi writer after being discharged from the Navy when he got tuberculosis.

    So Proxmire decides the fix for that is to – as someone else said about a past president – present Heinlein of the past with antibiotics to prevent his discharge from the Navy, and presumably be harmless.

    After this is done, Proxmire is introduced to Admiral Heinlein of the American Space Forces.

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  10. Percival Thatcher
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    So the A in USA means all of A (except maybe Canada, but maybe them too).

    Definitely them, too. And Australia, just because. It starts with A, doesn’t it? And Antarctica. And Asia. And Africa. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    Anatolia

    Armenia

    Azerbaijan

    Andhra Pradesh

    An eccentric but consistent approach to expansion.

    But Europe, we let England have them. Even Austria (Endonym with an O) and Andorra.

    Which means, really, that Germany takes England (or perhaps Russia takes them all)?

    Two world wars and one World Cup, Z.

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  11. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    VTK seems to be taking a break, so I’ll just go ahead and tell about Supernatural.

    I didn’t watch much of it after the first couple seasons, it got pretty ridiculous to me. But there was one episode, what in earlier years I would have called a “fun romp,” where a demon goes back in time and stops the Titanic from sinking, because he can’t stand Celine Dion who became famous for that song.

    Hilarity ensued.

    Kind of reminds me of a Ghostbusters cartoon where someone sells their soul to a demon in order to get rid of all chickens in the world.

    If I remember correctly, the demon coerced the Ghostbusters into unmaking the wish for him because he found it so embarrassing to be a part of it.

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  12. Zafar Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    So the A in USA means all of A (except maybe Canada, but maybe them too).

    Definitely them, too. And Australia, just because. It starts with A, doesn’t it? And Antarctica. And Asia. And Africa. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    Anatolia

    Armenia

    Azerbaijan

    Andhra Pradesh

    An eccentric but consistent approach to expansion.

    But Europe, we let England have them. Even Austria (Endonym with an O) and Andorra.

    Which means, really, that Germany takes England (or perhaps Russia takes them all)?

    Two world wars and one World Cup, Z.

    The WWs they didn’t do by themselves and I thought the idea was to extract the (vastly bigger) US from foreign entanglements.

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  13. Arahant Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Which means, really, that Germany takes England (or perhaps Russia takes them all)?

    We get Russia. It’s mostly Asia. That little European part comes with.

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  14. Bob Thompson Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Of course, it’s even possible that if those problems hadn’t started, maybe Andrew Breitbart would never have been born.  But somehow that still seems worth it.

    With the abortion mentality coupled with a general decline in births from the culture change we are experiencing and , finally, the developing viewpoints that we cannot solve problems we face, that we must run from them, I wonder if we will fail to reproduce the talent needed to survive and prosper.

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Which means, really, that Germany takes England (or perhaps Russia takes them all)?

    We get Russia. It’s mostly Asia. That little European part comes with.

    “What would you like to order, sir?”

    “Russia, please.”

    “Okay, and part of Europe comes with that, of course.”

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Of course, it’s even possible that if those problems hadn’t started, maybe Andrew Breitbart would never have been born. But somehow that still seems worth it.

    With the abortion mentality coupled with a general decline in births from the culture change we are experiencing and , finally, the developing viewpoints that we cannot solve problems we face, that we must run from them, I wonder if we will fail to reproduce the talent needed to survive and prosper.

    On the plus side, perhaps, much of the rest of the world is doing a lot worse in those regards, including/especially Russia.  But also China.

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  17. Bishop Wash Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    How about the Mexican-American War ends with the US annexing all of Mexico – and continuing on down South. So the A in USA means all of A (except maybe Canada, but maybe them too). That would mean a huge domestic market which would economically insulate the US from events overseas.

    In Turtledove’s alternate history books where the South won, a lot of the Mexican states are in the USA and CSA. I don’t remember how it happened and I don’t remember them playing a part in the books I read. Just remember them on the map at the front. 

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  18. Miffed White Male Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Which means, really, that Germany takes England (or perhaps Russia takes them all)?

    We get Russia. It’s mostly Asia. That little European part comes with.

    “What would you like to order, sir?”

    “Russia, please.”

    “Okay, and part of Europe comes with that, of course.”

    From one of my favorite Al Stewart songs:

     

    I think I’m gonna take a piece of Russia and a piece of Germany
    And give them to Poland again
    I’ll put together Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia
    And hope that is how they’ll remain
    Then I’ll take a bit of Turkey, then a lot of Turkey
    This is all quite a heady affair
    There’s Persia and Iraq to pick up, and there’s Churchill’s hiccup
    And we can’t leave it up in the air

     

     

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  19. Bishop Wash Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):
    Off of the top of my head, anytime to prevent Wilson from becoming President and stopping the Progressive amendments.

    There’s a story where a time traveler is sent back in time to assassinate Adolph Hitler. He returns from his mission and reports to his superior. “The time machine malfunctioned. I assassinated President Wilson instead of Hitler.”

    “Who the hell is Hitler?” his superior replies.

    Reminds me of a guy talking about the Nuremberg Trials and imagined the Germans on the stand saying, “But we learned it from you. Why are we on trial and you get to be the judge?”

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):
    Off of the top of my head, anytime to prevent Wilson from becoming President and stopping the Progressive amendments.

    There’s a story where a time traveler is sent back in time to assassinate Adolph Hitler. He returns from his mission and reports to his superior. “The time machine malfunctioned. I assassinated President Wilson instead of Hitler.”

    “Who the hell is Hitler?” his superior replies.

    Reminds me of a guy talking about the Nuremberg Trials and imagined the Germans on the stand saying, “But we learned it from you. Why are we on trial and you get to be the judge?”

    Ummm… because they lost?

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  21. Percival Thatcher
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    So the A in USA means all of A (except maybe Canada, but maybe them too).

    Definitely them, too. And Australia, just because. It starts with A, doesn’t it? And Antarctica. And Asia. And Africa. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

    Anatolia

    Armenia

    Azerbaijan

    Andhra Pradesh

    An eccentric but consistent approach to expansion.

    But Europe, we let England have them. Even Austria (Endonym with an O) and Andorra.

    Which means, really, that Germany takes England (or perhaps Russia takes them all)?

    Two world wars and one World Cup, Z.

    The WWs they didn’t do by themselves and I thought the idea was to extract the (vastly bigger) US from foreign entanglements.

    The Germans didn’t do it by themselves either. They just couldn’t get allies that were worth anything.

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  22. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    I would like to think I would use a time machine to convince the Holy Roman Emperor to murder the entire Rothschild family and spare the modern world endless suffering. 

    But knowing me I would probably use it to introduce Gilbert Gottfried  to Emperor Charlemagne. 

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  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    I would like to think I would use a time machine to convince the Holy Roman Emperor to murder the entire Rothschild family and spare the modern world endless suffering.

    But knowing me I would probably use it to introduce Gilbert Gottfried to Emperor Charlemagne.

    Before either of them died, of course.

    Which actually means 2 trips.

    AFLAC!!!

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  24. Bishop Wash Member
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    So that probably becomes “prevent the establishment of the federal Department of Education.”

    That would really help! But maybe something earlier would do more. I’m not sure.

    When the Frankfurt School guys escaped Germany and began their long march through our institutions. I only learned a couple years ago that the Department Republicans had been promising to shutter my entire political awareness was created by Carter and started after Reagan was inaugurated. 

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  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik: How Will YOU Save America?

    P.S.  Since this is about time travel, “How Did YOU Save America?” might be more appropriate, and funnier.  :-)

     

     

    “What do we want?”

    “Time travel!”

    “When do we want it?”

    “It’s irrelevant!”

     

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  26. Saint Augustine Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    P.S.  Since this is about time travel, “How Did YOU Save America?” might be more appropriate, and funnier.  :-)

    Since you mentioned it, I stopped Dr. Stephen von Druin.

    And look at the thanks I get for doing my job so well!

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  27. Dave of Barsham Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Sadly, if time travel and changing the past is possible, then the reality we are living is already what someone else thinks is the best of all possible lines.

     

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  28. Dave of Barsham Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    How about the Mexican-American War ends with the US annexing all of Mexico – and continuing on down South. So the A in USA means all of A (except maybe Canada, but maybe them too). That would mean a huge domestic market which would economically insulate the US from events overseas.

    Don’t mind me, just taking notes for when I get this stupid time machine working.

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    P.S. Since this is about time travel, “How Did YOU Save America?” might be more appropriate, and funnier. :-)

    Since you mentioned it, I stopped Dr. Stephen von Druin.

    And look at the thanks I get for doing my job so well!

    In like episode 1 or 2 of the original Sabrina The Teenage Witch, when Sabrina wants to turn back the day so she doesn’t get embarassed at school, her aunts tell her that it’s very rarely done, and only under very special circumstances.

    Something like:

    Aunt: “For example, for a week the entire world was controlled by a little rabbit.”

    Sabrina: “I don’t remember that.”

    Aunt:  “Exactly!”

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    Dave of Barsham (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Sadly, if time travel and changing the past is possible, then the reality we are living is already what someone else thinks is the best of all possible lines.

     

    That was my earlier point about Hitler, too.

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