Peter Hitchens Was Right (and so Was I)

 

In the early days of the Covid Panic, Peter Hitchens was one of the few people pointing out the utter foolishness of the lockdown policies. I took some comfort there was at least one public person pointing out the obvious.  Here he is below.

I warned clearly in March 2020 that the out-of-proportion reaction to Covid would lead to this crisis.

I said: ‘Our economy is still crippled, and the overpraised Chancellor Rishi Sunak, like some beaming Dr Feelgood with a case full of dodgy stimulants, seeks to soothe the pain by huge injections of funny money.

He will get this back from us as soon as we are allowed out again. Just you wait till you get the bill, in increased taxes, inflation and devastated savings.’

And it came to pass, just as I said it would. I needed no magic powers to see this. Anyone could have done the same, including Mr Sunak.

As it began to be obvious even to him, I wrote here back in May last year: ‘Most of the people in charge of this country can’t remember what inflation is like. I can. And it scares me.’

Now, ridiculously, persons such as the Governor of the Bank of England are trying to blame our problems on the Ukraine War which he says could not have been foreseen – an odd claim since it actually began in 2014.

No doubt our involvement in that war will make things much worse, and I am coming to that. But the main reason for the Western world’s plunge into recession is the ridiculous over-reaction to the coronavirus.

And by inflation, the Bank of England says that, by the end of the year, it will be 15 percent!  That’s the official rate.  The real one is probably closer to 25 percent.  One podcaster I followed said that in February, his energy bill was going up 54 percent by the spring.  This was before the war!  (I am also now shorting the Euro, which dipped below par with the USA for the first time last month.)

This same podcaster talks about all the food banks and the fact that he has seen at least two instances of people fighting in the lines.  Just wait till it gets really bad and all the Afghans and Syrians start freezing from the lack of fuel.  You think they are just going to sit around for that?  Or do you think the cops who are so busy arresting pregnant women for hate crimes will hold the line when the real riots begin?

He goes on.

For some reason, the USA has for 14 years now been having a costly arm-wrestling contest with Russia in Ukraine. This turned hot eight years ago and has led to horrible numbers of deaths, and much destruction, in Ukraine itself.

I really cannot see what ordinary Ukrainians will ever gain from it. Nor can I see what interest Britain has in it, apart from our endless, rather pathetic desire to please the USA, which neither notices nor cares.

Yet we pledge billions in arms supplies, so sustaining the horror. The same goes for all the other European nations now preparing for a chilly winter of fuel shortages and raging high prices.

Is there anybody out there with the wit and courage to bring an end to this idiocy? Or, in years to come, as we sit unemployed in our freezing houses eating bread and potatoes, while Ukrainians pick about in the ruins of their ‘victorious’ country, wondering how to rebuild it, and where all the young men have gone, will we comfort ourselves by saying that it was all worth it?

It looks like it’s all coming to pass.  It seems by the end of September, a whole lot of things are coming to a head.  We will have way more things to worry about than the Russians in Ukraine.

The humanitarian crisis that is developing in Europe will most likely be one of them.

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  1. Hang On Member
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    What’s wrong with Hitchens? It’s just far more important to be woke and have the proper group think thoughts than understand what you’re doing. What’s a little inflation,  a few wars or a bunch of dead peasants as long as you think the right thoughts. 

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  2. MiMac Thatcher
    MiMac
    @MiMac

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

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  3. Doctor Robert Member
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    Tory, how do you buy Euros in bulk, or short them in an exchange?

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  4. Hang On Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Yeah so much better to be the whore of America’s corrupt oligarchs.

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  5. MiMac Thatcher
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    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Yeah so much better to be the whore of America’s corrupt oligarchs.

    versus the sex slave of Putin….

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  6. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Yeah so much better to be the whore of America’s corrupt oligarchs.

    versus the sex slave of Putin….

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac.  Putin actually defends traditional morality.

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  7. Hang On Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Yeah so much better to be the whore of America’s corrupt oligarchs.

    versus the sex slave of Putin….

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    He’s never heard of Jeffry Epstein and didn’t know the whole racket was a CIA honey pot.

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  8. MiMac Thatcher
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Yeah so much better to be the whore of America’s corrupt oligarchs.

    versus the sex slave of Putin….

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    Now that is funny…..if your idea of traditional morality is castrating POWS you have a different vision of tradition than I do. Perhaps by tradition you mean barbarity.

    Putin uses the memes of traditional morality- he blasphemes the very idea…he is the Elmer Gantry of traditional morality.

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  9. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Tory, how do you buy Euros in bulk, or short them in an exchange?

    Ask  George Soros, he’s a pro.

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  10. Britanicus Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Yeah so much better to be the whore of America’s corrupt oligarchs.

    versus the sex slave of Putin….

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    I’m assuming that this is said sarcastically. Because otherwise, it sounds as if you’re suggesting that Putin has some sort of moral superiority over the United States. 

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  11. Percival Thatcher
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    Britanicus (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Yeah so much better to be the whore of America’s corrupt oligarchs.

    versus the sex slave of Putin….

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    I’m assuming that this is said sarcastically. Because otherwise, it sounds as if you’re suggesting that Putin has some sort of moral superiority over the United States.

    I don’t care what Putin or anyone else has to say about his “morality.” Putin was KGB.

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  12. Bob Thompson Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Britanicus (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Yeah so much better to be the whore of America’s corrupt oligarchs.

    versus the sex slave of Putin….

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    I’m assuming that this is said sarcastically. Because otherwise, it sounds as if you’re suggesting that Putin has some sort of moral superiority over the United States.

    I don’t care what Putin or anyone else has to say about his “morality.” Putin was KGB.

    I guess the question now is does that apply to those who come through the CIA?

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  13. Sisyphus Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Britanicus (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Yeah so much better to be the whore of America’s corrupt oligarchs.

    versus the sex slave of Putin….

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    I’m assuming that this is said sarcastically. Because otherwise, it sounds as if you’re suggesting that Putin has some sort of moral superiority over the United States.

    I don’t care what Putin or anyone else has to say about his “morality.” Putin was KGB.

    I guess the question now is does that apply to those who come through the CIA?

    Yes!

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  14. Henry Castaigne Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Yeah so much better to be the whore of America’s corrupt oligarchs.

    versus the sex slave of Putin….

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    You know he kills people who disagree with him right? I suppose that’s traditional morality but I prefer George Washington’s morality.

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  15. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Britanicus (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Yeah so much better to be the whore of America’s corrupt oligarchs.

    versus the sex slave of Putin….

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    I’m assuming that this is said sarcastically. Because otherwise, it sounds as if you’re suggesting that Putin has some sort of moral superiority over the United States.

    Yeah because the Russian educational system is just like ours: kids rank 25th to 48th among nations as far as math, and reading comprehension, while learning all about the 54+ genders. (Oh wait a minute – that’s not true.)

    And the state owned press in Russia keeps its focus on any crime involving violence that affects a person of color, while ignoring the many more crimes of people of color pummeling their own kind as well as whites. (Oh wait a minute: that’s CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC and CBS.)

    Plus in Russia the standard of living has risen higher each year, while under Biden every advantage brought about by the Trump administration has been erased.

    Plus in Russia, when it is stated, “Our medical and scientific people ‘Follow the science’ they actually mean real science, that involves discussion, criticism,  and an exchange of ideas, rather than bureaucrats issuing decrees and pretending decrees = scientific evidence. 

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  16. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Yeah so much better to be the whore of America’s corrupt oligarchs.

    versus the sex slave of Putin….

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    You know he kills people who disagree with him right? I suppose that’s traditional morality but I prefer George Washington’s morality.

    Almost all thinking Americans prefer George Washington’s ideals and morality, except the truth is it is the CIA which has been firmly in charge of this nation since sometime around 1988.

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  17. ToryWarWriter Reagan
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Tory, how do you buy Euros in bulk, or short them in an exchange?

    Its called ETF’s.  There are some out there that are fairly affordable,  I am paying 30 dollars a share, that allow smaller investors to short currencies, without having a larger knowledge of the market or specific currencies.  

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/etf.asp#:~:text=An%20exchange%2Dtraded%20fund%20(ETF)%20is%20a%20type%20of,that%20a%20regular%20stock%20can.

     

     

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  18. ToryWarWriter Reagan
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Yeah so much better to be the whore of America’s corrupt oligarchs.

    versus the sex slave of Putin….

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    You know he kills people who disagree with him right? I suppose that’s traditional morality but I prefer George Washington’s morality.

    How do you know that?  The same way that you know vaccines work and Iraq has WMD’s?  Were victims of mass propaganda that distorts our view of the world.  So much of what we know about Putin and Russia come from people who are anti-Russian’s who hate and despise them out of ignorance and fear.

     

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  19. Britanicus Member
    Britanicus
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    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    I’m assuming that this is said sarcastically. Because otherwise, it sounds as if you’re suggesting that Putin has some sort of moral superiority over the United States.

    Yeah because the Russian educational system is just like ours: kids rank 25th to 48th among nations as far as math, and reading comprehension, while learning all about the 54+ genders. (Oh wait a minute – that’s not true.)

    And the state owned press in Russia keeps its focus on any crime involving violence that affects a person of color, while ignoring the many more crimes of people of color pummeling their own kind as well as whites. (Oh wait a minute: that’s CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC and CBS.)

    Plus in Russia the standard of living has risen higher each year, while under Biden every advantage brought about by the Trump administration has been erased.

    Plus in Russia, when it is stated, “Our medical and scientific people ‘Follow the science’ they actually mean real science, that involves discussion, criticism, and an exchange of ideas, rather than bureaucrats issuing decrees and pretending decrees = scientific evidence.

    Your points against our woke culture, failing schools, racist “anti racists”, and the perversion of science are all true. Heck,  I’d even add something else – Russia doesn’t appear to be hamstringing her economy to appease the gods of “Climate Change”, (although that could be lumped into the science bit, I suppose).

    All that being said, it’s hardly fair to compare the worst aspects of one country (primarily the result of progressive ideology) with the characteristics of another. It’s disingenuous and doesn’t provide an accurate portrayal of the situation.

    There’s no doubt that the American Project is under siege and signs of rot are showing, but at its heart America still remains a beacon on a hill. That cannot be said about Putin’s Russia.

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  20. Britanicus Member
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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

     

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    You know he kills people who disagree with him right? I suppose that’s traditional morality but I prefer George Washington’s morality.

    How do you know that? The same way that you know vaccines work and Iraq has WMD’s? Were victims of mass propaganda that distorts our view of the world. So much of what we know about Putin and Russia come from people who are anti-Russian’s who hate and despise them out of ignorance and fear.

    Propaganda and misinformation have caused so much harm to the reputation of the medical institution. They treat us as if we’re ignorant children who can’t be trusted with the truth. For example, I believe that using the word “vaccine” was a mistake. Vaccines as we have known them, grant near immunity to whatever disease they were created against. While the Covid “Vaccine” certainly does help prevent against serious hospitalizations and death, it clearly doesn’t prevent people from getting Covid. All this does is to further undermine trust in our institutions, and specifically in vaccines for things like Polio, Measles, etc., which should not be confused with the Covid “Vaccine”.

    To the Russia point, I am certainly not anti-Russian, though I am anti-Putin, and I don’t believe it’s ignorant to stand against an authoritarian government trying to invade a fellow democracy.

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  21. RufusRJones Member
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    Britanicus (View Comment):
    Propaganda and misinformation have caused so much harm to the reputation of the medical institution. They treat us as if we’re ignorant children who can’t be trusted with the truth. For example, I believe that using the word “vaccine” was a mistake. Vaccines as we have known them, grant near immunity to whatever disease they were created against. While the Covid “Vaccine” certainly does help prevent against serious hospitalizations and death, it clearly doesn’t prevent people from getting Covid. All this does is to further undermine trust in our institutions, and specifically in vaccines for things like Polio, Measles, etc., which should not be confused with the Covid “Vaccine”.

    Wolinski went from telling everybody it was going to work just like the flu shot to saying it doesn’t stop transmission in four months. She started out with all kinds of what had to be lies. They also changed the definition of vaccine of course. And then Birx is now saying that she knew it wasn’t going to stop transmission. What little I’ve seen of her rhetoric over that time, I think she was a lot more careful then the rest of them. 

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  22. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Yeah so much better to be the whore of America’s corrupt oligarchs.

    versus the sex slave of Putin….

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    Now that is funny…..if your idea of traditional morality is castrating POWS you have a different vision of tradition than I do. Perhaps by tradition you mean barbarity.

    Putin uses the memes of traditional morality- he blasphemes the very idea…he is the Elmer Gantry of traditional morality.

    I was referencing sexual morality, obviously, as this is the issue that you raised with the “sex slave” comment.  Putin defends traditional sexual morality.  Our government promotes perversion with the whole “rainbow flag” thing.

    I don’t know what you are talking about with the “castrating POWs” allegation.  I did find a claim that Russian soldiers had castrated and killed a Ukrainian POW.  I don’t know why you would blame Putin for that.  If it happened, it was criminal.  Is there evidence that it was ordered by Putin?  This seems unlikely, but please let me know.

    I wouldn’t blame LBJ for the My Lai massacre, though from what I’ve read and heard, it was pretty bad.

    Your comments exemplify the hatred and demonization that is counterproductive, I think.  And false, it appears, with respect to the “sex slave” comment, and perhaps with respect to the attribution of the blame for any castration to Putin personally.

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  23. MiMac Thatcher
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    The Ukranian’s interest is their freedom and avoiding a servile life under Putin. Not hard to see the motivation there. Just ask the Poles in 1939, the Chinese & Filipinos in 1940 etc, etc.

    Sometimes people sitting in a comfortable chair in Oxford forget about such things….like the Orwell’s famous line “PACIFIST. Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.”

    Yeah so much better to be the whore of America’s corrupt oligarchs.

    versus the sex slave of Putin….

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    Now that is funny…..if your idea of traditional morality is castrating POWS you have a different vision of tradition than I do. Perhaps by tradition you mean barbarity.

    Putin uses the memes of traditional morality- he blasphemes the very idea…he is the Elmer Gantry of traditional morality.

    I was referencing sexual morality, obviously, as this is the issue that you raised with the “sex slave” comment. Putin defends traditional sexual morality. Our government promotes perversion with the whole “rainbow flag” thing.

    I don’t know what you are talking about with the “castrating POWs” allegation. I did find a claim that Russian soldiers had castrated and killed a Ukrainian POW. I don’t know why you would blame Putin for that. If it happened, it was criminal. Is there evidence that it was ordered by Putin? This seems unlikely, but please let me know.

    I wouldn’t blame LBJ for the My Lai massacre, though from what I’ve read and heard, it was pretty bad.

    Your comments exemplify the hatred and demonization that is counterproductive, I think. And false, it appears, with respect to the “sex slave” comment, and perhaps with respect to the attribution of the blame for any castration to Putin personally.

    My Lai was investigated & charges brought-all you hear is crickets in Russia about stopping or investigating war crimes. When a Ukrainian medic made a statement about castrating Russians he was quickly rebutted by Ukrainian officials & recanted. Nothing similar is occurring in Russia or it’s state controlled media-if anything they actually cheer on violence & savagery.

    example:

     

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  24. ToryWarWriter Reagan
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    Britanicus (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    You know he kills people who disagree with him right? I suppose that’s traditional morality but I prefer George Washington’s morality.

    How do you know that? The same way that you know vaccines work and Iraq has WMD’s? Were victims of mass propaganda that distorts our view of the world. So much of what we know about Putin and Russia come from people who are anti-Russian’s who hate and despise them out of ignorance and fear.

    Propaganda and misinformation have caused so much harm to the reputation of the medical institution. They treat us as if we’re ignorant children who can’t be trusted with the truth. For example, I believe that using the word “vaccine” was a mistake. Vaccines as we have known them, grant near immunity to whatever disease they were created against. While the Covid “Vaccine” certainly does help prevent against serious hospitalizations and death, it clearly doesn’t prevent people from getting Covid. All this does is to further undermine trust in our institutions, and specifically in vaccines for things like Polio, Measles, etc., which should not be confused with the Covid “Vaccine”.

    To the Russia point, I am certainly not anti-Russian, though I am anti-Putin, and I don’t believe it’s ignorant to stand against an authoritarian government trying to invade a fellow democracy.

    What Democracy?  Ukraine has no democracy.  Its opposition leaders have been arrested and tortured.  The opposition parties have been banned.  All media has now been centralized, but before the war opposition media outlets were shut down and there owners arrested of charges sedition and treason.

    This is a country that spent years making war upon its own citizens to the tune of 14000 dead people.

    Ukraine is not a democracy.  And it does not deserve to be treated as such.  Ukraine is an authoritarian government who murdered its own citizens by the thousands. Its amazing the Russians stood by for 8 years and let it happen.  While we trained and armed actual Nazis whose stated aim was to exterminate Slavs.  Built bio weapons and brought those Nazis here to be trained in those camps.

    My grandfather landed on a beach in Normandy on June 6th 1944, to defeat the sick ideology that we allowed to fester and grow back in Ukraine.  Im glad he didnt live long enough to see our shame.

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  25. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Britanicus (View Comment):

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    SNIP Because otherwise, it sounds as if you’re suggesting that Putin has some sort of moral superiority over the United States.

    Yeah because the Russian educational system is just like ours: kids rank 25th to 48th among nations as far as math, and reading comprehension, while learning all about the 54+ genders. (Oh wait a minute – that’s not true.)

    And  state owned press in Russia keeps its focus on any crime involving violence that affects a person of color, while ignoring the many more crimes of people of color pummeling their own kind as well as whites. (Oh wait a minute: that’s CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC and CBS.)

    Plus in Russia the standard of living has risen higher each year, while under Biden every advantage brought about by the Trump administration has been erased.

    Plus in Russia, when it is stated, “Our medical and scientific people ‘Follow the science’ they actually mean real science, that involves discussion, criticism, and an exchange of ideas, rather than bureaucrats issuing decrees and pretending decrees = scientific evidence.

    Your points against our woke culture, failing schools, racist “anti racists”, and the perversion of science are all true. SNIP  Russia doesn’t appear to be hamstringing her economy to appease the gods of “Climate Change”SNIP

    All that being said, it’s hardly fair to compare the worst aspects of one country (primarily the result of progressive ideology) with the characteristics of another. It’s disingenuous and doesn’t provide an accurate portrayal of the situation.

    There’s no doubt that the American Project is under siege and signs of rot are showing, but at its heart America still remains a beacon on a hill. That cannot be said about Putin’s Russia.

    Yes, for those who still think Russia  is the Soviet Union and Putin is the Mafiosa in charge of The Bear Warrior Nation circa 1993, America is a beacon on a hill.

    For those without cobwebs encrusting our eyeballs, the American beacon is crusted in smegma coming from the ooze of corruption. We have a corrupt politicized FBI, a corrupted Medical/Pharmaceutical Establishment, corrupted election systems, corrupted financial institutions and the sitting President bragged on TV back  in 2015 about how he blackmailed top Ukrainian officials to get rid of the Ukrainian prosecutor who had the goods on Joe and Hunter. (Although to be fair, Joe Biden still had his wits about him and didn’t mention that this blackmail occurred because of his corruption.)

    So the Ukrainian officials 86’ed the prosecutor and then Biden saw to it that the Ukraine received the one billion in foreign aid he was withholding.

    There was coverage today of how some Ukrainian refugees are seeking asylum in Russia. Just as some 225,000 Eastern Ukrainians did in 2014 and 2o15 when the Ukrainian Nationalist army of skinhead Nazi freaks went after civilian areas.

     

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  26. MiMac Thatcher
    MiMac
    @MiMac

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    Britanicus (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    You know he kills people who disagree with him right? I suppose that’s traditional morality but I prefer George Washington’s morality.

    How do you know that? The same way that you know vaccines work and Iraq has WMD’s? Were victims of mass propaganda that distorts our view of the world. So much of what we know about Putin and Russia come from people who are anti-Russian’s who hate and despise them out of ignorance and fear.

    Propaganda and misinformation have caused so much harm to the reputation of the medical institution. They treat us as if we’re ignorant children who can’t be trusted with the truth. For example, I believe that using the word “vaccine” was a mistake. Vaccines as we have known them, grant near immunity to whatever disease they were created against. While the Covid “Vaccine” certainly does help prevent against serious hospitalizations and death, it clearly doesn’t prevent people from getting Covid. All this does is to further undermine trust in our institutions, and specifically in vaccines for things like Polio, Measles, etc., which should not be confused with the Covid “Vaccine”.

    To the Russia point, I am certainly not anti-Russian, though I am anti-Putin, and I don’t believe it’s ignorant to stand against an authoritarian government trying to invade a fellow democracy.

    What Democracy? Ukraine has no democracy. Its opposition leaders have been arrested and tortured. The opposition parties have been banned. All media has now been centralized, but before the war opposition media outlets were shut down and there owners arrested of charges sedition and treason.

    This is a country that spent years making war upon its own citizens to the tune of 14000 dead people.

    Ukraine is not a democracy. And it does not deserve to be treated as such. Ukraine is an authoritarian government who murdered its own citizens by the thousands. Its amazing the Russians stood by for 8 years and let it happen. While we trained and armed actual Nazis whose stated aim was to exterminate Slavs. Built bio weapons and brought those Nazis here to be trained in those camps.

    My grandfather landed on a beach in Normandy on June 6th 1944, to defeat the sick ideology that we allowed to fester and grow back in Ukraine. Im glad he didnt live long enough to see our shame.

    You forgot the other laughable Russian claim that our “bio labs” genetically engineered Ukrainian supersoldiers & that is why they fight so well….

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  27. Britanicus Member
    Britanicus
    @Britanicus

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    Britanicus (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

     

    What Democracy? Ukraine has no democracy. Its opposition leaders have been arrested and tortured. The opposition parties have been banned. All media has now been centralized, but before the war opposition media outlets were shut down and there owners arrested of charges sedition and treason.

    This is a country that spent years making war upon its own citizens to the tune of 14000 dead people.

    Ukraine is not a democracy. And it does not deserve to be treated as such. Ukraine is an authoritarian government who murdered its own citizens by the thousands. Its amazing the Russians stood by for 8 years and let it happen. While we trained and armed actual Nazis whose stated aim was to exterminate Slavs. Built bio weapons and brought those Nazis here to be trained in those camps.

    My grandfather landed on a beach in Normandy on June 6th 1944, to defeat the sick ideology that we allowed to fester and grow back in Ukraine. Im glad he didnt live long enough to see our shame.

    Are the claims of Nazi elements within Ukraine true? Can you provide me with some links? I’ll happily ready into anything you share. 

    For what its worth, as a small boy in Ukraine, my grandfather and his family had to run away from their home and land because the Soviets took his father away to only God knows where and robbed him of his land. His mother and siblings had to trek across the country fleeing first from the Soviets and then from the Nazi’s. I wish I could ask him what his thoughts were about everything going on there now.

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  28. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    MiMac (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    Britanicus (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    That is hilarious.

    It’s our side that promotes every sort of perversion, MiMac. Putin actually defends traditional morality.

    You know he kills people who disagree with him right? I suppose that’s traditional morality but I prefer George Washington’s morality.

    How do you know that? The same way that you know vaccines work and Iraq has WMD’s? Were victims of mass propaganda that distorts our view of the world. So much of what we know about Putin and Russia come from people who are anti-Russian’s who hate and despise them out of ignorance and fear.

    Propaganda and misinformation have caused so much harm to the reputation of the medical institution. They treat us as if we’re ignorant children who can’t be trusted with the truth. For example, I believe that using the word “vaccine” was a mistake. Vaccines as we have known them, grant near immunity to whatever disease they were created against. While the Covid “Vaccine” certainly does help prevent against serious hospitalizations and death, it clearly doesn’t prevent people from getting Covid. All this does is to further undermine trust in our institutions, and specifically in vaccines for things like Polio, Measles, etc., which should not be confused with the Covid “Vaccine”.

    To the Russia point, I am certainly not anti-Russian, though I am anti-Putin, and I don’t believe it’s ignorant to stand against an authoritarian government trying to invade a fellow democracy.

    What Democracy? Ukraine has no democracy. Its opposition leaders have been arrested and tortured. The opposition parties have been banned. All media has now been centralized, but before the war opposition media outlets were shut down and there owners arrested of charges sedition and treason.

    This is a country that spent years making war upon its own citizens to the tune of 14000 dead people.

    Ukraine is not a democracy. And it does not deserve to be treated as such. Ukraine is an authoritarian government who murdered its own citizens by the thousands. Its amazing the Russians stood by for 8 years and let it happen. While we trained and armed actual Nazis whose stated aim was to exterminate Slavs. Built bio weapons and brought those Nazis here to be trained in those camps.

    My grandfather landed on a beach in Normandy on June 6th 1944, to defeat the sick ideology that we allowed to fester and grow back in Ukraine. Im glad he didnt live long enough to see our shame.

    You forgot the other laughable Russian claim that our “bio labs” genetically engineered Ukrainian supersoldiers & that is why they fight so well….

    That would be awesome. 

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  29. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    People here who support Joe Biden’s “wag the dog” distractionary war should consider:

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  30. MiMac Thatcher
    MiMac
    @MiMac

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    People here who support Joe Biden’s “wag the dog” distractionary war should consider:

    About as accurate as your claim that the Pfizer CEO wanted to kill half the world’s population….

    Let me you in on a little secret…..Zelensky is Jewish…he got more than 73% of the vote- that is a lot in a “nazi” state, wouldn’t you agree?

    “Russian propaganda has painted the Ukrainian state as Nazi and fascist….It was propaganda in 2014. It remains propaganda today….There is no Nazi government for Moscow to root out in Kyiv. There has been no genocide of the Russian people in Ukraine. And Russian troops are not on a liberation mission.”

    signed by 300 historians

    https://jewishjournal.com/news/worldwide/345515/statement-on-the-war-in-ukraine-by-scholars-of-genocide-nazism-and-world-war-ii/

    “The claim that neo-Nazi or far-right groups hold any significant power in Ukraine is absurd,” Jared McBride, an adjunct history professor at UCLA whose work specializes in nationalist movements and mass violence and genocide in Russia and Ukraine”

    https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/the-facts-on-de-nazifying-ukraine/

    the so called Neo nazis in ukraine got about 2% of the vote-that is less than in many European countries. Wagner Group mercenaries include a significant fraction of neo-nazis- so Putin is using neo-nazis to de-nazify Ukraine

    https://www.memri.org/dttm/neo-nazi-wagner-group-russian-mercenaries-claim-be-fighting-ukraine

    here is a pic of a Wagner merc with neonazi tattoos:

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