What Part of ‘Illegal’ Does WSJ Not Understand?

 

In this weekend’s WSJ, there is an article entitled “Migrant Buses Test Nonprofits, Cities.”  The so-called “migrant buses” are the ones leaving the border states of Texas and Arizona, filled with illegals, bound for the nation’s capital.  It seems that the many non-profit “immigrant-rights” organizations which advocate for and assist those who cross our newly-opened southern border are overwhelmed by the large volume of people now on their doorstep.

In the WSJ article, the word “migrant” appears 20 times.  In the same article, the word “illegal” appears exactly once, at the bottom of Paragraph Five.  I think that headline might just be a bit misleading.  The writers of the article write with a decidedly sympathetic slant, feeling bad for all those unfortunate migrants who are forced onto buses and transported to Washington, when they really wanted to go to Miami or New York.  No mention is made of the fact that those migrants are breaking our laws by crossing our southern border, and the non-profit organizations are accessories to the crimes of illegal entry and illegal residence in our country, being committed by the migrants.

Somehow, I just cannot feel too sorry for all the illegal migrants who are not supposed to be here, regardless of their poverty and wanting a better life in the United States.  And I think it’s criminal for those non-profits to be helping them at all.  Unfortunately, those at the top of our government have invited them here, and I think it’s justice for them to be confronted with the results of their policies.  More power to Ducey of Arizona and Abbott of Texas for sending the illegals to the source of their invitations.  I think Muriel Bowser needs to set up a shelter for them in her backyard, and Biden needs to set up a shelter and processing center on the White House lawn.

And the editors of the Wall Street Journal need to recognize that we Conservatives are not “anti-immigration” but anti-Illegal Immigration!  Will that ever happen?  Probably not.

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  1. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    This is also why I’ve never been a huge fan of Victor Davis Hansen. Despite his other good qualities, he’s typical of his class, a farmer/grower who wants that big, cheap, docile workforce.

    You are wrong. You should acknowledge that and withdraw that statement.

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  2. Gary McVey Contributor
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    Yes, I’ve read Mexifornia. My problem with VDH is he talks a great game. He’s a regular Paul Revere when it comes to sounding the alarm about cultural and political change.

    But in practice he does what everyone else in the California mainstream does: he tolerates illegal immigration as long as (in the words of the cliche) “they’re only here to work”. Or in the words of George W. Bush, they’re here doing jobs that “Americans aren’t doing”. 

    Problem is, it’s a fantasy about human nature. When my family came to America, we didn’t make some money and then humbly get back on the boat to the British Isles. We stayed; America changed us, and people like us changed it. That’s the way it happens in real life. The California agricultural sector pulls in all the workers it needs and then…the rest of us deal with their kids, their grandkids, their dental insurance, etc etc. I don’t see VDH out there telling the others to either automate their harvests, employ Americans, or (gasp! the unthinkable!) grow the damn lettuce over the border, where the workers live. 

    I like Latino culture; in some ways, it’s better than American mainstream culture. But I’m not sentimental, and I’m not unrealistic. Too many dollar-first conservatives square what they want (cheap wages) with what they don’t want (a greatly changed political situation) with an idealized but condescending view of Latinos, as if they’re simple people of the soil who’ll stick to picking fruit and won’t eventually demand the full rights of citizenship. 

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  3. Stad Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    My impression is that VDH is very strong on opposition to illegal immigration, but permissive of legal immigration. 

    If it’s illegal, it’s not immigration.  However, the left has made it so we have to use the distinction because they’ve taken control of our language.

    But yes, I believe most people are okay with immigration, which is legal . . .

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  4. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    My impression is that VDH is very strong on opposition to illegal immigration, but permissive of legal immigration.

    If it’s illegal, it’s not immigration. However, the left has made it so we have to use the distinction because they’ve taken control of our language.

    But yes, I believe most people are okay with immigration, which is legal . . .

    I think that you’re right, even among conservatives.  This is unfortunate. 

    Among other problems that immigration creates, it appears that naturalized legal immigrants vote heavily for the Democrats.  Exit poll data on this was surprisingly difficult for me to find, but it seems to be correct.  One would think that conservatives would decline to support a law allowing millions of people into our country when doing so will tilt the politics of the country to the Left.  This has already happened.  A quick internet search indicates that naturalized citizens are about 10% of eligible voters.  

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  5. Barfly Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I agree with almost all of this post.  I have an objection to one part:

    RushBabe49: And the editors of the Wall Street Journal need to recognize that we Conservatives are not “anti-immigration”, but anti-Illegal Immigration!

    At the moment, I am anti-immigration, legal or illegal.  I’d like to see legal immigration reduced substantially, and wouldn’t mind if it was reduced to zero.  Not all conservatives agree with this, but my guess is that I’m not the only one.

    Ditto. It’s time for an immigration timeout. Maybe we can relax it in a few years, but we have to stabilize our own house first.

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  6. TBA Coolidge
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    Legal immigration is desirable to the point that it is a net gain. 

    A lot of legal immigration is nothing of the sort. 

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  7. Mark Camp Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Legal immigration is desirable to the point that it is a net gain.

    A lot of legal immigration is nothing of the sort.

    A net gain to which individuals?  

    Are the legal  immigrants and their descendants included in that group? 

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  8. TBA Coolidge
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Legal immigration is desirable to the point that it is a net gain.

    A lot of legal immigration is nothing of the sort.

    A net gain to which individuals?

    Are the legal immigrants and their descendants included in that group?

    1. the aggregate
    2. no 
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  9. The Reticulator Member
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    What happens if a crowd of migrants enter the U.S.Capitol building and wander around wherever they please? Will they become known as illegal immigrants? 

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  10. Bishop Wash Member
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    What I have never understood completely is why the media and politicians have been so vociferous in their determination to ruin Trump from the day he left the White House. Usually, we allow a president to walk off into the sunset, but not this one. Ordinarily I am no conspiracy theorist, but it seems to me that big, big money has been behind his troubles beginning with the night he was elected and even earlier.

     

    Because he could come back in 2024. He’s eligible for another term so he must be defeated at all costs. Also why the January 6 investigation is trying to tar him with insurrection. The 14th (?) amendment says insurrectionists can’t hold federal office.

    Maybe too, they saw how Nixon rehabilitated his image as he left the limelight. They don’t want to make that mistake, as they see it, again.

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  11. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    A country like ours with a birth rate below replacement must have some sort of immigration to ensure that the old folks on the government dole will have younger workers to support them.  I read somewhere that the US birth rate is about 1.85, well below replacement level of 2.2.  All the wealthy Western countries, plus Australia and Japan, have below-replacement birth rates.  Japan discourages all immigration, and their population is shrinking.  Even Communist China has a below-replacement birth rate, and their one-child policy has been too successful in limiting births.  No one, however, wants IN to China, so they have little recourse.

    I am in favor of legal immigration, allowing only literate, productive people in, with no “chain migration” or special conditions allowed for “favored” countries.  I can also see need for a robust “guest worker” program, where agricultural workers are allowed in for limited times, then required to return home.

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  12. Bishop Wash Member
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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):
    Even Communist China has a below-replacement birth rate, and their one-child policy has been too successful in limiting births.

    I heard that India is going to pass them in five to ten years. Anyone else see that to confirm?

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  13. Clavius Thatcher
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):
    Even Communist China has a below-replacement birth rate, and their one-child policy has been too successful in limiting births.

    I heard that India is going to pass them in five to ten years. Anyone else see that to confirm?

    That is my understanding of the population trends.

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  14. kedavis Coolidge
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    Clavius (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):
    Even Communist China has a below-replacement birth rate, and their one-child policy has been too successful in limiting births.

    I heard that India is going to pass them in five to ten years. Anyone else see that to confirm?

    That is my understanding of the population trends.

    Does sheer population matter that much, when both India and China have large portions of their populations living in squalor?

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  15. Hang On Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Clavius (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):
    Even Communist China has a below-replacement birth rate, and their one-child policy has been too successful in limiting births.

    I heard that India is going to pass them in five to ten years. Anyone else see that to confirm?

    That is my understanding of the population trends.

    Does sheer population matter that much, when both India and China have large portions of their populations living in squalor?

    I don’t think China has a large portion of its population living in squalor. Many are poor, but that’s not the same as the squalor that exists in India. And it matters to the extent that they can be incorporated into a thriving and growing economy as both producers and consumers. China has enormous structural problems not only with debt but that 25-33% or so of their gdp comes from building housing and housing is one of the few ways that middle-class Chinese can invest money. There are those who aren’t paying their mortgages and the number has been increasing. The bubble is bursting.

    And China’s latest census was cooked by about 100 million, i.e., they have about 100 million less than was reported. So India may have already passed them. The 2030s will be crucial for China as workers will be retiring who were born when the 1-child policy started and there will not be workers to replace them. While productivity in China has grown about 3-fold since the growth period started, wages have grown over 20-fold. So manufacturing is moving away.

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  16. Sisyphus Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    What happens if a crowd of migrants enter the U.S.Capitol building and wander around wherever they please? Will they become known as illegal immigrants?

    There is an automatic system to deploy fawning NGOs from secret doors in the corridors to provide fillet mignon and baby formula and plane tickets good for any destination on any airline,

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  17. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    China’s poor peasants are amenable to improvements in their economic situation. Many of India’s poor peasants resist the cultural changes needed to improve their prosperity. And they are a very powerful voting bloc so the politicians cater to them. 

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  18. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    Yes, I’ve read Mexifornia. My problem with VDH is he talks a great game. He’s a regular Paul Revere when it comes to sounding the alarm about cultural and political change.

    But in practice he does what everyone else in the California mainstream does: he tolerates illegal immigration as long as (in the words of the cliche) “they’re only here to work”. Or in the words of George W. Bush, they’re here doing jobs that “Americans aren’t doing”.

    In his 2021 essay A Quiet Destruction, Hanson describe the way of life he grew up in:

    The sociology and economy of the region remained agrarian. Families lived on the land where they farmed deciduous tree-fruit, grapes, and nut crops. School was delayed in the fall, so that farm kids could help their parents finish the raisin harvest or make enough money for school supplies and clothing by working for others. Multiethnic and multiracial families of Armenian-, Dutch-German-, Japanese-, Mexican-, Portuguese-, Punjabi-, and Scandinavian-descent

    Then he describes the same area now:

    I still live on my great-great-grandmother’s farm, but the surrounding community has been demolished by cosmic forces of a sort I could not have imagined when I first returned home. A few corporations presently own or lease all the surrounding land, which they mostly plant in huge blocks of mono-cropped almonds for export. Most who farmed in the last century have died or moved away. Their children have either leased or more often sold their inheritances. Few if any live where they farm, and the local community has become Medieval with a few agribusiness wealthy and an underclass of recent immigrants, legal and illegal.

    And further:

    In the 1990s, California’s Central Valley became ground zero for America’s illegal immigration crisis. No longer did the dispossessed from Mexico arrive legally, in measured numbers, with some English, and prepared for rapid melting-pot assimilation, integration, and intermarriage. Farmhouses of my youth became the nexus of shacks for the undocumented. Today our rural avenue is plagued by gang warfare, drug labs, illegal cock- and dog-fighting, and absolute indifference to zoning laws. I know none of the names of dozens of families who live in houses and various sheds, lean-tos, and trailers around them within our half-mile vicinity.

    These are not the words of a man who is enjoying the wealth of exploiting illegal immigrants.

     

     

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  19. Percival Thatcher
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    Yes, I’ve read Mexifornia. My problem with VDH is he talks a great game. He’s a regular Paul Revere when it comes to sounding the alarm about cultural and political change.

    But in practice he does what everyone else in the California mainstream does: he tolerates illegal immigration as long as (in the words of the cliche) “they’re only here to work”. Or in the words of George W. Bush, they’re here doing jobs that “Americans aren’t doing”.

    In his 2021 essay A Quiet Destruction, Hanson describe the way of life he grew up in:

    The sociology and economy of the region remained agrarian. Families lived on the land where they farmed deciduous tree-fruit, grapes, and nut crops. School was delayed in the fall, so that farm kids could help their parents finish the raisin harvest or make enough money for school supplies and clothing by working for others. Multiethnic and multiracial families of Armenian-, Dutch-German-, Japanese-, Mexican-, Portuguese-, Punjabi-, and Scandinavian-descent

    Then he describes the same area now:

    I still live on my great-great-grandmother’s farm, but the surrounding community has been demolished by cosmic forces of a sort I could not have imagined when I first returned home. A few corporations presently own or lease all the surrounding land, which they mostly plant in huge blocks of mono-cropped almonds for export. Most who farmed in the last century have died or moved away. Their children have either leased or more often sold their inheritances. Few if any live where they farm, and the local community has become Medieval with a few agribusiness wealthy and an underclass of recent immigrants, legal and illegal.

    And further:

    In the 1990s, California’s Central Valley became ground zero for America’s illegal immigration crisis. No longer did the dispossessed from Mexico arrive legally, in measured numbers, with some English, and prepared for rapid melting-pot assimilation, integration, and intermarriage. Farmhouses of my youth became the nexus of shacks for the undocumented. Today our rural avenue is plagued by gang warfare, drug labs, illegal cock- and dog-fighting, and absolute indifference to zoning laws. I know none of the names of dozens of families who live in houses and various sheds, lean-tos, and trailers around them within our half-mile vicinity.

    These are not the words of a man who is enjoying the wealth of exploiting illegal immigrants.

     

     

    It is child’s play to operate a farm such as VDH’s and make a small fortune.

    Step 1: Obtain a large fortune …

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  20. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    It is child’s play to operate a farm such as VDH’s and make a small fortune.

    Step 1: Obtain a large fortune …

    Quoting that font of wisdom and probity Cuomo?

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  21. Percival Thatcher
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    It is child’s play to operate a farm such as VDH’s and make a small fortune.

    Step 1: Obtain a large fortune …

    Quoting that font of wisdom and probity Cuomo?

    Nah. It’s a joke older than the jokes known as the brothers Cuomo.

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  22. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    My impression is that VDH is very strong on opposition to illegal immigration, but permissive of legal immigration.  I may be incorrect about this, but it is my impression.  Do any of you know more about his precise position?  

    My impression is that VDH wants legal immigration to be controlled and limited: It should not harm the domestic labor force, it should be low enough to permit assimilation, and so on. And based on VDH’s descriptions of life on the farm, everyone in the family worked their [censoreds] off, which was also the case with all their neighbors.

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