Why Are Abortion Proponents So Emotional?

 

Proponents of abortion get quite emotional, many to the point of irrationality. Their reactions to the potential that there might be even the slightest constraints on abortion are way over the top. We have seen quite a bit of hysterics on display the last couple of months.

Why? I can’t think of another issue that generates such a high level of emotion, even supposedly existential issues like “climate change.” The weird sex advocates get emotional and are very persistent, but even they don’t get hysterical in the same way that abortion advocates do.

What is it about abortion that causes such reactions?

For this discussion, I am referring to the extreme activists who put themselves on public display, not the vast muddy middle of people that @susanquinn  addresses below.

[I operate on a theory that the more I understand the other party’s motivations, the more likely I can help either find a workable solution, or convince them that they might be mistaken.]

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  1. Full Size Tabby Member
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    My own answer to my question is that the most adamant proponents of abortion seem to be the people who are thoroughly convinced that “systemic patriarchy” prevents women from having any power in any sphere of life, and that women are completely at the mercy of men.

    You and I know they are wrong in this view, but for now let’s just accept that they feel this way.

    With that mindset, they nonetheless realize that there is one (and only one) thing over which they have total physical control – the baby in their womb. What better way to demonstrate control than to be able to make the decision to kill that baby. So they latch onto the idea that they must have the power to kill that one thing over which they have control, and obsess over that idea to the point of irrationality. They have only one thing over which they have control, so they must have total control over that one thing. 

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  2. No Caesar Thatcher
    No Caesar
    @NoCaesar

    In the case of abortion, I think it’s two factors at play.

    One, Leftists are generally more emotional than rational.  They “privilege” their own feelings over all else.  The very words they use: “my lived experience”, “I feel”, “…feel safe”, etc. show the primacy.  In fact it’s probably safe to say that Leftists tend to be more  emotionally retarded.  Or at least slower to develop.  Hence they display the traits of spoiled children when they don’t get their way.

    Two, they know what they do is evil, but don’t want to face it.  I.e. cake and eat it too.  Because deep down they know they’re murdering another human being they shift that guilt by blaming Pro-Lifers for “murdering women”.  This is true for the ugly ranks of witches and harpies who are the foot-soldiers.  No on likes having their faults pointed out, least of all those who think of themselves as virtuous. 

    The leaders and Planned Parenthood types are just evil.  

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  3. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
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    @DonG

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    My own answer to my question is that the most adamant proponents of abortion seem to be the people who are thoroughly convinced that “systemic patriarchy” prevents women from having any power in any sphere of life, and that women are completely at the mercy of men.

    There extremists in the Second Wave Feminists that view pregnancy and mothering as a form of slavery and total oppression.  Those extremists have a lot of sway and they have convinced many women to believe their lies that motherhood and feminism are incompatible.   To understand their thinking, imagine your feelings if SCOTUS had allowed Congress to outlaw all religious practices.

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  4. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    In addition to their preferring to honor their feelings, which is much easier than doing your homework on a topic, they are narcissistic; immature; corrupted by entitlement beliefs; brainwashed. None of these help them function in a world of constant change, and when they don’t get their way, they don’t know how to respond. Wailing and screaming also make people run the other way; who wants to listen to that nonsense?

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  5. Jim McConnell Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    My own answer to my question is that the most adamant proponents of abortion seem to be the people who are thoroughly convinced that “systemic patriarchy” prevents women from having any power in any sphere of life, and that women are completely at the mercy of men.

    There extremists in the Second Wave Feminists that view pregnancy and mothering as a form of slavery and total oppression. Those extremists have a lot of sway and they have convinced many women to believe their lies that motherhood and feminism are incompatible. To understand their thinking, imagine your feelings if SCOTUS had allowed Congress to outlaw all religious practices.

    Yes. Abortion appears to be a religious rite for the left.

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  6. Kephalithos Member
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    Because they know, deep down, that what they’re doing is wrong.

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  7. Douglas Pratt Coolidge
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    They aren’t interested in solutions or considering that they might be wrong. They are being whipped into a continual frenzy because it makes them easier to manipulate.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that there is no point in engaging with them. I just wait until some of them get sick and tired of being angry and miserable all the time. Then some of them notice that we conservatives are having a lot more fun than they are.

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  8. Bishop Wash Member
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    I don’t have an answer, but it’s been strange watching the protests in Democrat states where abortion hasn’t been outlawed and won’t be for the immediate future. Some of those protests were very heated. My state passed a law last year rescinding a 1969 law that banned abortion to make sure we’re a killing state. Still had protests this weekend.

    Those people were misled into thinking an overturn of Roe would make abortion illegal nationwide. I don’t know how many times my wife would have to inform people she was debating with what overturning Roe would mean.

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  9. Ekosj Member
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    No Caesar (View Comment):

    In the case of abortion, I think it’s two factors at play.

    One, Leftists are generally more emotional than rational. They “privilege” their own feelings over all else. The very words they use: “my lived experience”, “I feel”, “…feel safe”, etc. show the primacy. In fact it’s probably safe to say that Leftists tend to be more emotionally retarded. Or at least slower to develop. Hence they display the traits of spoiled children when they don’t get their way.

    Two, they know what they do is evil, but don’t want to face it. I.e. cake and eat it too. Because deep down they know they’re murdering another human being they shift that guilt by blaming Pro-Lifers for “murdering women”. This is true for the ugly ranks of witches and harpies who are the foot-soldiers. No on likes having their faults pointed out, least of all those who think of themselves as virtuous.

    The leaders and Planned Parenthood types are just evil.

    Theirs is the primal scream of those who are perilously close to the realization that they are part of a movement responsible for the deaths of 63 million people.   They make the garden variety serial killers look like pikers.   

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  10. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    I think abortion is #1 on the emotion scale but I believe that gay marriage, transexual “rights”,  gun control and voting “rights” aren’t far behind.

    I tend to think that the Left is pretty much of an “emotion on demand” bunch.  Whatever gives them an excuse to hit the streets and pose for the cameras is what they’re down for.

    Like Bishop Wash, I’m completely mystified as to why the hottest of the protests are occurring in states where abortion is completely legal.

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  11. Cassandro Coolidge
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    I wonder as the public elation the Irish had over the legalization of abortion.  I don’t know, but I think it all stems from really good PR, which was further reinforced by playing to everyone’s need to fit in and not be shunned.

    There is also a cultivated ignorance from those who set themselves to shape public opinion, they preached to people who hadn’t had abortion for so long it was unknown and presented as a good thing, without the prevalence of personal experience in one’s family or social circle.

    I wasn’t there but it may have been like the manufactured excitement that precedes a circus coming to town, when no one has ever seen a circus, and no one knows exactly what a circus is, but its coming is promoted as a great thing, and everyone gets really excited when the train finally comes to town and they start putting up the big tents.

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  12. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    No Caesar (View Comment):

    In the case of abortion, I think it’s two factors at play.

    One, Leftists are generally more emotional than rational. They “privilege” their own feelings over all else. The very words they use: “my lived experience”, “I feel”, “…feel safe”, etc. show the primacy. In fact it’s probably safe to say that Leftists tend to be more emotionally retarded. Or at least slower to develop. Hence they display the traits of spoiled children when they don’t get their way.

    Two, they know what they do is evil, but don’t want to face it. I.e. cake and eat it too. Because deep down they know they’re murdering another human being they shift that guilt by blaming Pro-Lifers for “murdering women”. This is true for the ugly ranks of witches and harpies who are the foot-soldiers. No on likes having their faults pointed out, least of all those who think of themselves as virtuous.

    The leaders and Planned Parenthood types are just evil.

    Theirs is the primal scream of those who are perilously close to the realization that they are part of a movement responsible for the deaths of 63 million people. They make the garden variety serial killers look like pikers.

    So the hysterical screaming is to take their own minds off the realization of the magnitude of what they have done?

    I noted on another thread that I’ve observed that the pro-abortionists have been making fewer (i.e., almost no) references to “fetus” or any of the other alternatives to “baby” than they did before. Might that be part of getting close to realizing their role in killing so many people? Or is it just a marketing ploy to keep the minds of the general public off the fact that the sole purpose of abortion is to produce a dead body? 

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  13. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):

    They aren’t interested in solutions or considering that they might be wrong. They are being whipped into a continual frenzy because it makes them easier to manipulate.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that there is no point in engaging with them. I just wait until some of them get sick and tired of being angry and miserable all the time. Then some of them notice that we conservatives are having a lot more fun than they are.

    True.  I’ve been watching the current protests (both CNN and Fox) and, although I don’t have any reliable statistics, it appears to me that 80-90% of the protesters are girls in the 18-25 age group.  I was just thinking that every one of them are Sociology or Art History majors.

    And the other 10% of the protesters are boys who are hoping to get a little action after the protest. 

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  14. Marjorie Reynolds Coolidge
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    Cassandro (View Comment):

    I wonder as the public elation the Irish had over the legalization of abortion. I don’t know, but I think it all stems from really good PR, which was further reinforced by playing to everyone’s need to fit in and not be shunned.

    There is also a cultivated ignorance from those who set themselves to shape public opinion, they preached to people who hadn’t had abortion for so long it was unknown and presented as a good thing, without the prevalence of personal experience in one’s family or social circle.

    I wasn’t there but it may have been like the manufactured excitement that precedes a circus coming to town, when no one has ever seen a circus, and no one knows exactly what a circus is, but its coming is promoted as a great thing, and everyone gets really excited when the train finally comes to town and they start putting up the big tents.

    It was horrendous Cassandro, I’ll never forget it.  There is a fury in the country against the Catholic Church and it focused all its destructive power against the rights of the unborn child. It’s an injustice  of immense proportions. 
    I lost some friends back then and one of them sent me a very bitter letter in response to one from me which mentioned the Dublin Castle celebrations specifically. I kept it, as a sort of artefact, even though I found it too painful to read since. 

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    I don’t have an answer, but it’s been strange watching the protests in Democrat states where abortion hasn’t been outlawed and won’t be for the immediate future. Some of those protests were very heated. My state passed a law last year rescinding a 1969 law that banned abortion to make sure we’re a killing state. Still had protests this weekend.

    Those people were misled into thinking an overturn of Roe would make abortion illegal nationwide. I don’t know how many times my wife would have to inform people she was debating with what overturning Roe would mean.

    The protests are dumb, I like how I put it in another thread:

    “What do we want?”

    “Abortion rights!”

    “When do we already have them?”

    “Now!”

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  16. Addiction Is A Choice Member
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    “I think several elements are at work here, but the most basic is that liberals (Democrats) do not want to take the issue of abortion to the voters. They do not want to have to make their case. They do not want to have to argue and persuade. Rather, they want all views opposed to their own to be banned and unheard. Delegitimized.

    This is perhaps the dominant fact of 21st Century politics. Liberals don’t want to debate, they don’t want to persuade. They want to censor. They want some higher authority, whether the Supreme Court, Twitter, or corporate America, to declare all views but theirs out of bounds. They don’t want to participate in democratic politics, they want to rule by fiat. For all their wailing about “our democracy,” the last thing liberals want is the actual give and take of a democracy, which usually entails compromise. 

    I think that is the key reason for the Left’s hysteria over Dobbs. For liberals, having to argue, to persuade, to run for office, to participate in the messy work of democracy where you don’t always win, is a step backward. They had everything going their way, and now…this.

    Viewed in that light, I think the demonstrations, insurrections, encouragement of assassination of Supreme Court Justices, and arson at Christian maternity centers are understandable.”

    -John Hinderaker on Powerline Why the Abortion Hysteria?

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  17. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    Guilt.

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  18. WillowSpring Member
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    Usually “Follow the Money” provides a clue, and in the case of Planned Parenthood, the  money flow seems pretty clear.  I think there is a substantial flow from there to the politicians, but I don’t understand why the other participants are so incensed.

    I have been hearing that the ruling will be particularly dangerous to women “of color” which ironically ignores the racist founding of Planned Parenthood and the toll taken on the infants who are supposedly being discriminated against.

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  19. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    My own answer to my question is that the most adamant proponents of abortion seem to be the people who are thoroughly convinced that “systemic patriarchy” prevents women from having any power in any sphere of life, and that women are completely at the mercy of men.

    You and I know they are wrong in this view, but for now let’s just accept that they feel this way.

    With that mindset, they nonetheless realize that there is one (and only one) thing over which they have total physical control – the baby in their womb. What better way to demonstrate control than to be able to make the decision to kill that baby. So they latch onto the idea that they must have the power to kill that one thing over which they have control, and obsess over that idea to the point of irrationality. They have only one thing over which they have control, so they must have total control over that one thing.

    @Full Size Tabby

    I wrote an essay recently that gets into the philosophy of the abortion movement. I think it would be rude to cite it after many people have read it already but I think it answers your question. Please let me know what you think. 

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  20. Django Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    My own answer to my question is that the most adamant proponents of abortion seem to be the people who are thoroughly convinced that “systemic patriarchy” prevents women from having any power in any sphere of life, and that women are completely at the mercy of men.

    You and I know they are wrong in this view, but for now let’s just accept that they feel this way.

    With that mindset, they nonetheless realize that there is one (and only one) thing over which they have total physical control – the baby in their womb. What better way to demonstrate control than to be able to make the decision to kill that baby. So they latch onto the idea that they must have the power to kill that one thing over which they have control, and obsess over that idea to the point of irrationality. They have only one thing over which they have control, so they must have total control over that one thing.

    I know at least one woman who fits that description. 

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  21. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    I think that abortion proponents are furious because women were subjugated and brutalized by men throughout history.  Women were essentially treated as male property, a form of slavery, until about a century ago.  Women were denied the vote, denied education, denied almost all areas of employment, prohibited from holding office and not even allowed to sit on a jury.

    There were some advances in women’s rights in the early 20th Century, with further advances in the 1960s and 1970s.  But women were still forced to bear children against their will.  The power of the oppressive male hierarchy was so strong that the Supreme Court had to step in to secure a woman’s right to choose whether or not to have a child.

    In short, without abortion rights, women exist in a state of sexual slavery.  The other rights that women have won, in areas like education and employment, are jeopardized as well, because women cannot effectively exercise their liberty and individual sovereignty in a regime of forced pregnancy and motherhood.

    So the abortion proponents, it seems to me, recognize that losing the right to abortion means returning to the Dark Ages.

    No wonder they are angry.

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  22. BDB Coolidge
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    Addiction.  

    Men and women alike can be addicted to sex, and will do literally anything to feed the ever-growing beast.  Endorphins (among other things) drive behavior.  

    Dedication to a cause may be understood as a source of endorphins, which are dispensed when taking action (or making grand statements) in support of that cause.  Humans are social animals — action (or speech) in conjunction with or in support of others will also dispense endorphins.  And we are cowards.  When the mob cries “chartreuse!”, we all take up the cry.  

    One of the problems of our time is the widespread failure to understand the procreative imperative for what it is.  We should be moving beyond words like beauty, love, and lust.  But we never will.   A conservative deals with this by admitting that truth, and designing systems which crush the fewest humans possible.  

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  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I think that abortion proponents are furious because women were subjugated and brutalized by men throughout history. Women were essentially treated as male property, a form of slavery, until about a century ago. Women were denied the vote, denied education, denied almost all areas of employment, prohibited from holding office and not even allowed to sit on a jury.

    There were some advances in women’s rights in the early 20th Century, with further advances in the 1960s and 1970s. But women were still forced to bear children against their will. The power of the oppressive male hierarchy was so strong that the Supreme Court had to step in to secure a woman’s right to choose whether or not to have a child.

    In short, without abortion rights, women exist in a state of sexual slavery. The other rights that women have won, in areas like education and employment, are jeopardized as well, because women cannot effectively exercise their liberty and individual sovereignty in a regime of forced pregnancy and motherhood.

    So the abortion proponents, it seems to me, recognize that losing the right to abortion means returning to the Dark Ages.

    No wonder they are angry.

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  24. Henry Castaigne Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I think that abortion proponents are furious because women were subjugated and brutalized by men throughout history. Women were essentially treated as male property, a form of slavery, until about a century ago. Women were denied the vote, denied education, denied almost all areas of employment, prohibited from holding office and not even allowed to sit on a jury.

    There were some advances in women’s rights in the early 20th Century, with further advances in the 1960s and 1970s. But women were still forced to bear children against their will. The power of the oppressive male hierarchy was so strong that the Supreme Court had to step in to secure a woman’s right to choose whether or not to have a child.

    In short, without abortion rights, women exist in a state of sexual slavery. The other rights that women have won, in areas like education and employment, are jeopardized as well, because women cannot effectively exercise their liberty and individual sovereignty in a regime of forced pregnancy and motherhood.

    So the abortion proponents, it seems to me, recognize that losing the right to abortion means returning to the Dark Ages.

    No wonder they are angry.

    Can we have some middle ground? Women probably got the short end of the stick historically but it wasn’t like it was any great prize to be born a poor dude. Most wives loved their husbands and their husbands loved them but I am sympathetic to the argument that a husband could be a monster to his wife and get away with it.

    But the coal miner and sharecropper husbands who respected their wives don’t seem like bad people.

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  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I think that abortion proponents are furious because women were subjugated and brutalized by men throughout history. Women were essentially treated as male property, a form of slavery, until about a century ago. Women were denied the vote, denied education, denied almost all areas of employment, prohibited from holding office and not even allowed to sit on a jury.

    There were some advances in women’s rights in the early 20th Century, with further advances in the 1960s and 1970s. But women were still forced to bear children against their will. The power of the oppressive male hierarchy was so strong that the Supreme Court had to step in to secure a woman’s right to choose whether or not to have a child.

    In short, without abortion rights, women exist in a state of sexual slavery. The other rights that women have won, in areas like education and employment, are jeopardized as well, because women cannot effectively exercise their liberty and individual sovereignty in a regime of forced pregnancy and motherhood.

    So the abortion proponents, it seems to me, recognize that losing the right to abortion means returning to the Dark Ages.

    No wonder they are angry.

    Can we have some middle ground? Women probably got the short end of the stick historically but it wasn’t like it was any great prize to be born a poor dude. Most wives loved their husbands and their husbands loved them but I am sympathetic to the argument that a husband could be a monster to his wife and get away with it.

    Wives could be bad too.

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  26. Henry Castaigne Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I think that abortion proponents are furious because women were subjugated and brutalized by men throughout history. Women were essentially treated as male property, a form of slavery, until about a century ago. Women were denied the vote, denied education, denied almost all areas of employment, prohibited from holding office and not even allowed to sit on a jury.

    There were some advances in women’s rights in the early 20th Century, with further advances in the 1960s and 1970s. But women were still forced to bear children against their will. The power of the oppressive male hierarchy was so strong that the Supreme Court had to step in to secure a woman’s right to choose whether or not to have a child.

    In short, without abortion rights, women exist in a state of sexual slavery. The other rights that women have won, in areas like education and employment, are jeopardized as well, because women cannot effectively exercise their liberty and individual sovereignty in a regime of forced pregnancy and motherhood.

    So the abortion proponents, it seems to me, recognize that losing the right to abortion means returning to the Dark Ages.

    No wonder they are angry.

    Can we have some middle ground? Women probably got the short end of the stick historically but it wasn’t like it was any great prize to be born a poor dude. Most wives loved their husbands and their husbands loved them but I am sympathetic to the argument that a husband could be a monster to his wife and get away with it.

    Wives could be bad too.

    And women like Anita Hill and Christine Blasey Ford and that white lady that got Emmett Till killed can lie with sociopathic callousness. Good point Kedavis. 

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  27. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I think that abortion proponents are furious because women were subjugated and brutalized by men throughout history. Women were essentially treated as male property, a form of slavery, until about a century ago. Women were denied the vote, denied education, denied almost all areas of employment, prohibited from holding office and not even allowed to sit on a jury.

    There were some advances in women’s rights in the early 20th Century, with further advances in the 1960s and 1970s. But women were still forced to bear children against their will. The power of the oppressive male hierarchy was so strong that the Supreme Court had to step in to secure a woman’s right to choose whether or not to have a child.

    In short, without abortion rights, women exist in a state of sexual slavery. The other rights that women have won, in areas like education and employment, are jeopardized as well, because women cannot effectively exercise their liberty and individual sovereignty in a regime of forced pregnancy and motherhood.

    So the abortion proponents, it seems to me, recognize that losing the right to abortion means returning to the Dark Ages.

    No wonder they are angry.

    Can we have some middle ground? Women probably got the short end of the stick historically but it wasn’t like it was any great prize to be born a poor dude. Most wives loved their husbands and their husbands loved them but I am sympathetic to the argument that a husband could be a monster to his wife and get away with it.

    Wives could be bad too.

    And women like Anita Hill and Christine Blasey Ford and that white lady that got Emmett Till killed can lie with sociopathic callousness. Good point Kedavis.

    Maybe you guys find the Paglia quote persuasive.  For an abortion proponent, she’s the equivalent of a Rick Wilson or a David French.

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  28. Django Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I think that abortion proponents are furious because women were subjugated and brutalized by men throughout history. Women were essentially treated as male property, a form of slavery, until about a century ago. Women were denied the vote, denied education, denied almost all areas of employment, prohibited from holding office and not even allowed to sit on a jury.

    There were some advances in women’s rights in the early 20th Century, with further advances in the 1960s and 1970s. But women were still forced to bear children against their will. The power of the oppressive male hierarchy was so strong that the Supreme Court had to step in to secure a woman’s right to choose whether or not to have a child.

    In short, without abortion rights, women exist in a state of sexual slavery. The other rights that women have won, in areas like education and employment, are jeopardized as well, because women cannot effectively exercise their liberty and individual sovereignty in a regime of forced pregnancy and motherhood.

    So the abortion proponents, it seems to me, recognize that losing the right to abortion means returning to the Dark Ages.

    No wonder they are angry.

    Can we have some middle ground? Women probably got the short end of the stick historically but it wasn’t like it was any great prize to be born a poor dude. Most wives loved their husbands and their husbands loved them but I am sympathetic to the argument that a husband could be a monster to his wife and get away with it.

    Wives could be bad too.

    And women like Anita Hill and Christine Blasey Ford and that white lady that got Emmett Till killed can lie with sociopathic callousness. Good point Kedavis.

    Maybe you guys find the Paglia quote persuasive. For an abortion proponent, she’s the equivalent of a Rick Wilson or a David French.

    Forget “persuasive”. That is not the point. The point is that it is accurate.

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I think that abortion proponents are furious because women were subjugated and brutalized by men throughout history. Women were essentially treated as male property, a form of slavery, until about a century ago. Women were denied the vote, denied education, denied almost all areas of employment, prohibited from holding office and not even allowed to sit on a jury.

    There were some advances in women’s rights in the early 20th Century, with further advances in the 1960s and 1970s. But women were still forced to bear children against their will. The power of the oppressive male hierarchy was so strong that the Supreme Court had to step in to secure a woman’s right to choose whether or not to have a child.

    In short, without abortion rights, women exist in a state of sexual slavery. The other rights that women have won, in areas like education and employment, are jeopardized as well, because women cannot effectively exercise their liberty and individual sovereignty in a regime of forced pregnancy and motherhood.

    So the abortion proponents, it seems to me, recognize that losing the right to abortion means returning to the Dark Ages.

    No wonder they are angry.

    Can we have some middle ground? Women probably got the short end of the stick historically but it wasn’t like it was any great prize to be born a poor dude. Most wives loved their husbands and their husbands loved them but I am sympathetic to the argument that a husband could be a monster to his wife and get away with it.

    Wives could be bad too.

    And women like Anita Hill and Christine Blasey Ford and that white lady that got Emmett Till killed can lie with sociopathic callousness. Good point Kedavis.

    Maybe you guys find the Paglia quote persuasive. For an abortion proponent, she’s the equivalent of a Rick Wilson or a David French.

    She may just have other reasons – wrong reasons, but different – for being pro-abortion.  But she seems to recognize that “feminism” has largely shifted from pro-women to anti-men.

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    Why?  That is a good question, which I’ve pondered way back when Bill Clinton was triangulating. He could compromise on just about anything when Republicans had that revolutionary retake of Congress in 1994. Even when he was being impeached they stuck by him as long as he was pro-abortion. So why do they hold on to abortion to this level?  The only thing I can conclude is that this is a “religious” issue for them. It’s a matter of doctrine, dogma, and “religious” devotion. It is the left’s “sacrament” and Satanic devotion. 

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