Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to Know: ‘Ghostly Galleons’ and ‘Dark-Red Love Knots’ for the Ages

 

Well.

There I was, noodling around a few hours ago during a hydration break (it’s been in the mid-90s today, and I have three rather large trees to plant), looking for something to write about so I could sit inside, turn on the air conditioner for a bit, and allow the sweat to dry up.  And as I often do, I had a look at Wikipedia’s page for “this day”; in this case, June 25.

I was quite surprised, in my bit of research, to find that the author of one of my favorite childhood poems, Alfred Noyes, died only 64 years ago, on June 25, 1958, when I must have been a little over three-and-a-half years old.  Unbeknownst to me, he’d led rather an interesting life, having been born in 1880 in Wolverhampton, just down the road from some of my early stomping grounds in the UK, having grown up near Aberystwyth in Wales (beautiful country), moved to the States to marry and lecture at Princeton (his students included F. Scott Fitzgerald and Edmund Wilson), and live to become (like another of my heroes, Rudyard Kipling) both decried as a jingoist, at the same time as he showed himself something of a pacifist.

I’m pretty clear that there were several formative experiences in my early life, and that many of them involved books.  For example, I think Beatrix Potter, Gerald Durrell, and James Herriot pointed me towards the life in which I find myself living on 30 acres with a (couple of) mechanical mules, doing my best to scratch out something of a country life, here in the early years of the third decade of the twenty-first century.

But I also give the nod to this book, which my parents gave me when I was five or six, and which might have presaged my love of literature, and my ending up as an English major, and–Lord knows–led the way to the love of my life and my marriage to (shock, horror!) my professor, in the days when such a thing was still possible without the concomitant self-involved sense of victimhood and inevitable litigation:

A totally unwoke exploration of the poetry of my civilization which–remarkably–instilled in me no hatred for the “other,” and no unbounden feelings of superiority.  Just the joy of life. (I think I probably do have a first edition, but there are others cheaper and just as good.)

One of the choice morsels which I discovered (at a young age)  in my perusal of the book was Alfred Noyes’s The Highwayman.  It’s a magnificent ballad, and I could discourse for hours on its techniques, including–but not limited to–alliteration, repetition, simile, metaphor, lyricism, and rhythm.  Like another of my favorite poems, The Lady of Shalott, it propels the reader into the story and along for the ride.

And, yeah, this is the early experience I blame for my lifelong attachment to what I call “tasteful bodice-rippers.”  Jane Austen.  The Georgette Heyer novels.  Some of A.S. Byatt’s oeuvreCorelli’s Mandolin.  And a number of others.  All of which–when it boils down to it, deal with love, sacrifice, struggle, and–sometimes, unfortunately–betrayal.  None of which things (other than the betrayal bit), over the course of my life, I’ve found it necessary to be angry about or ashamed of. Love, especially.

And so, I give you, at the end, the story of The Highwayman and “Bess, the landlord’s daughter.”  I cried buckets over it sixty years ago.  And when I read it today, I found myself wiping a tear away again, and hoping that the two of them actually did, in their ghostly incarnations, manage a happy ending.

And so may we all :

PART ONE

The wind was a torrent of darkness among the gusty trees.
The moon was a ghostly galleon tossed upon cloudy seas.
The road was a ribbon of moonlight over the purple moor,
And the highwayman came riding—
Riding—riding—
The highwayman came riding, up to the old inn-door.

He’d a French cocked-hat on his forehead, a bunch of lace at his chin,
A coat of the claret velvet, and breeches of brown doe-skin.
They fitted with never a wrinkle. His boots were up to the thigh.
And he rode with a jewelled twinkle,
His pistol butts a-twinkle,
His rapier hilt a-twinkle, under the jewelled sky.

Over the cobbles he clattered and clashed in the dark inn-yard.
He tapped with his whip on the shutters, but all was locked and barred.
He whistled a tune to the window, and who should be waiting there
But the landlord’s black-eyed daughter,
Bess, the landlord’s daughter,
Plaiting a dark red love-knot into her long black hair.

And dark in the dark old inn-yard a stable-wicket creaked
Where Tim the ostler listened. His face was white and peaked.
His eyes were hollows of madness, his hair like mouldy hay,
But he loved the landlord’s daughter,
The landlord’s red-lipped daughter.
Dumb as a dog he listened, and he heard the robber say—

“One kiss, my bonny sweetheart, I’m after a prize to-night,
But I shall be back with the yellow gold before the morning light;
Yet, if they press me sharply, and harry me through the day,
Then look for me by moonlight,
Watch for me by moonlight,
I’ll come to thee by moonlight, though hell should bar the way.”

He rose upright in the stirrups. He scarce could reach her hand,
But she loosened her hair in the casement. His face burnt like a brand
As the black cascade of perfume came tumbling over his breast;
And he kissed its waves in the moonlight,
(O, sweet black waves in the moonlight!)
Then he tugged at his rein in the moonlight, and galloped away to the west.

PART TWO

He did not come in the dawning. He did not come at noon;
And out of the tawny sunset, before the rise of the moon,
When the road was a gypsy’s ribbon, looping the purple moor,
A red-coat troop came marching—
Marching—marching—
King George’s men came marching, up to the old inn-door.

They said no word to the landlord. They drank his ale instead.
But they gagged his daughter, and bound her, to the foot of her narrow bed.
Two of them knelt at her casement, with muskets at their side!
There was death at every window;
And hell at one dark window;
For Bess could see, through her casement, the road that he would ride.

They had tied her up to attention, with many a sniggering jest.
They had bound a musket beside her, with the muzzle beneath her breast!
“Now, keep good watch!” and they kissed her. She heard the doomed man say—
Look for me by moonlight;
Watch for me by moonlight;
I’ll come to thee by moonlight, though hell should bar the way!

She twisted her hands behind her; but all the knots held good!
She writhed her hands till her fingers were wet with sweat or blood!
They stretched and strained in the darkness, and the hours crawled by like years
Till, now, on the stroke of midnight,
Cold, on the stroke of midnight,
The tip of one finger touched it! The trigger at least was hers!

The tip of one finger touched it. She strove no more for the rest.
Up, she stood up to attention, with the muzzle beneath her breast.
She would not risk their hearing; she would not strive again;
For the road lay bare in the moonlight;
Blank and bare in the moonlight;
And the blood of her veins, in the moonlight, throbbed to her love’s refrain.

Tlot-tlot; tlot-tlot! Had they heard it? The horsehoofs ringing clear;
Tlot-tlot; tlot-tlot, in the distance? Were they deaf that they did not hear?
Down the ribbon of moonlight, over the brow of the hill,
The highwayman came riding—
Riding—riding—
The red coats looked to their priming! She stood up, straight and still.

Tlot-tlot, in the frosty silence! Tlot-tlot, in the echoing night!
Nearer he came and nearer. Her face was like a light.
Her eyes grew wide for a moment; she drew one last deep breath,
Then her finger moved in the moonlight,
Her musket shattered the moonlight,
Shattered her breast in the moonlight and warned him—with her death.

He turned. He spurred to the west; he did not know who stood
Bowed, with her head o’er the musket, drenched with her own blood!
Not till the dawn he heard it, and his face grew grey to hear
How Bess, the landlord’s daughter,
The landlord’s black-eyed daughter,
Had watched for her love in the moonlight, and died in the darkness there.

Back, he spurred like a madman, shrieking a curse to the sky,
With the white road smoking behind him and his rapier brandished high.
Blood red were his spurs in the golden noon; wine-red was his velvet coat;
When they shot him down on the highway,
Down like a dog on the highway,
And he lay in his blood on the highway, with a bunch of lace at his throat.

.       .       .

And still of a winter’s night, they say, when the wind is in the trees,
When the moon is a ghostly galleon tossed upon cloudy seas,
When the road is a ribbon of moonlight over the purple moor,
A highwayman comes riding—
Riding—riding—
A highwayman comes riding, up to the old inn-door.

Over the cobbles he clatters and clangs in the dark inn-yard.
He taps with his whip on the shutters, but all is locked and barred.
He whistles a tune to the window, and who should be waiting there
But the landlord’s black-eyed daughter,
Bess, the landlord’s daughter,
Plaiting a dark red love-knot into her long black hair.

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  1. Arahant Member
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    Yes and yes. “Lady of Shallot,” too. Good stuff.

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  2. Arahant Member
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    @Arahant

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  3. Percival Thatcher
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    I remember that one. We had that volume or one just like it.

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  4. Captain French Moderator
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    I inherited “101 Famous Poems”, which has this poem in it, from my grandmother.

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  5. Charlotte Member
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    I don’t like or understand poetry (I’m too literal and uncreative) but holy moly do I love that painting! 

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  6. RightAngles Member
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    Captain French (View Comment):

    I inherited “101 Famous Poems”, which has this poem in it, from my grandmother.

    I have that book! When my daughter was little, I’d always point up at the sky if it was cloudy at night and say “The moon was a ghostly galleon tossed upon cloudy seas.”  I got the book when I was 12 because our teacher gave extra credit for memorizing poems. The poor man had to listen to me reciting most of the ones in that book after class.

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  7. Percival Thatcher
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    “101 Famous Poems” might have been the book I’m thinking of. I just looked at the living room bookcases. It’s not there, but it might be in a bookcase in a bedroom upstairs.

    Another one I remember:

    Little Orphant Annie

    Little Orphant Annie’s come to our house to stay,
    An’ wash the cups an’ saucers up, an’ brush the crumbs away,
    An’ shoo the chickens off the porch, an’ dust the hearth, an’ sweep,
    An’ make the fire, an’ bake the bread, an’ earn her board-an’-keep;
    An’ all us other childern, when the supper things is done,
    We set around the kitchen fire an’ has the mostest fun
    A-list’nin’ to the witch-tales ‘at Annie tells about,
    An’ the Gobble-uns ‘at gits you
                 Ef you
                    Don’t
                       Watch
                          Out!

    Onc’t they was a little boy wouldn’t say his prayers,—
    So when he went to bed at night, away up stairs,
    His Mammy heerd him holler, an’ his Daddy heerd him bawl,
    An’ when they turn’t the kivvers down, he wasn’t there at all!
    An’ they seeked him in the rafter-room, an’ cubby-hole, an’ press,
    An’ seeked him up the chimbly-flue, an’ ever’wheres, I guess;
    But all they ever found was thist his pants an’ roundabout–
    An’ the Gobble-uns’ll git you
                 Ef you
                    Don’t
                       Watch
                          Out!

    An’ one time a little girl ‘ud allus laugh an’ grin,
    An’ make fun of ever’one, an’ all her blood an’ kin;
    An’ onc’t, when they was “company,” an’ ole folks was there,
    She mocked ‘em an’ shocked ‘em, an’ said she didn’t care!
    An’ thist as she kicked her heels, an’ turn’t to run an’ hide,
    They was two great big Black Things a-standin’ by her side,
    An’ they snatched her through the ceilin’ ‘fore she knowed what she’s about!
    An’ the Gobble-uns’ll git you
                 Ef you
                    Don’t
                       Watch
                          Out!

    An’ little Orphant Annie says when the blaze is blue,
    An’ the lamp-wick sputters, an’ the wind goes woo-oo!
    An’ you hear the crickets quit, an’ the moon is gray,
    An’ the lightnin’-bugs in dew is all squenched away,–
    You better mind yer parents, an’ yer teachers fond an’ dear,
    An’ churish them ‘at loves you, an’ dry the orphant’s tear,
    An’ he’p the pore an’ needy ones ‘at clusters all about,
    Er the Gobble-uns’ll git you
                 Ef you
                    Don’t
                       Watch
                          Out!

    — James Whitcomb Riley

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  8. Arahant Member
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    Percival (View Comment):
    Little Orphant Annie

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  9. Arahant Member
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    Which leads to this, of course:

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  10. Percival Thatcher
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    Little Orphant Annie

    Nice. Doesn’t really need the tune though. Grandma would read that one to me before I could read it by myself.

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  11. Arahant Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    Little Orphant Annie

    Nice. Doesn’t really need the tune though. Grandma would read that one to me before I could read it by myself.

    The nice thing is that they can be set to music, unlike much contemporary poetry. I also like Arthur Conan Doyle’s poetry for that, much like Kipling’s.

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  12. RightAngles Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    “101 Famous Poems” might have been the book I’m thinking of. I just looked at the living room bookcases. It’s not there, but it might be in a bookcase in a bedroom upstairs.

    Another one I remember:

    ….
    An’ the Gobble-uns ‘at gits you
    Ef you
    Don’t
    Watch
    Out!

    ………..
    Oh that one was in a book of my parents’, Best Loved Poems of the American People. I read  it from cover to cover as a kid. Which I probably wouldn’t have done if we’d had Nick Jr. It  was a thick tome that had everything from Eugene Field to Samuel Taylor Coleridge to my personal favorite (well I was 8 years old), which I still know from memory:

    Dried Apple Pies by Anonymous

    I loathe, abhor, detest,  despise,
    Abominate dried-apple pies.
    I like good bread; I like good meat,
    Or anything that’s fit to eat;
    But of all poor grub beneath the skies
    The poorest is dried-apple pies.
    Give me a toothache or sore eyes
    But don’t give me dried apple pies.
    The farmer takes his gnarliest fruit,
    Tis wormy, bitter, and hard to boot;
    They leave the hulls to make us cough,
    And don’t take half the peelings off;
    Then on a dirty cord they ‘re strung.
    And from some chamber window hung;
    And there they serve as roost for flies
    Until they’re made up into pies.
    Tread on my corns and tell me lies,
    But don’t pass me dried-apple pies.

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  13. Captain French Moderator
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    Paul Revere’s Ride is another I remember from that book. Probably wasn’t in @she’s, what with the redcoats taking a licking.

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  14. She Member
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    RightAngles (View Comment):
    Oh that one was in a book of my parents’, Best Loved Poems of the American People. I read  it from cover to cover as a kid.

    Aha!  I bought that one at a used book store about thirty years ago, for $1.  I just love those old compendia of poetry, as well as those which have “improving selections” for the mind of all sorts of written materials–fiction, history, poetry, etc, and I am sure I have more than my fair share of such things, up to, and including, The Book of Virtues. It’s astonishing, really, how what might pass for my own “moral compass” was formed as much by reading and taking to heart–as a child–the lessons of such materials as by anything else. (An advertisement for Aesop’s Fables, if ever there was one, I suppose.)

    My nuclear family wasn’t particularly formal in its religious observances. (Those rituals and lessons were the provenance of my grandparents, who filled in the gaps pretty effectively.).  I do find myself wondering, sometimes, if today’s young people aren’t suffering from a double whammy in that so many of them are disconnected from, or their families are antithetical to, any form of organized religion, and–to put it bluntly–they’re quite illiterate, not only when it comes to the context of historical understanding, but even in terms of just picking up something written with words of more than one syllable (or even that) and being able to read it.  And because children do–underneath it all–highly value security and conformity, and ‘fitting in,’ they’re extremely vulnerable to those with the loudest voices and the “best” story, no matter how freakish or destructive its lessons may be.

    This was another excellent find at a second-hand bookstore, can’t remember where:

    I remember wondering what the author–committing herself to words of one syllable–would do with the names of the two main characters,  (leave them intact for young tongues to stumble over somehow),and discovering that there was a mid-Victorian rage in the United States for such books, which I thought was rather sad.  (Many of the bits of history I found suggested that the books were greatly simplified so they could be used in the education of former slaves.)*

    Perhaps it’s time for a revival of the concept.

    *Mary Godolphin was the pen name of Lucy Aiken, an Englishwoman who also wrote The Pilgrims Progress in Words of One Syllable.

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    Captain French (View Comment):

    Paul Revere’s Ride is another I remember from that book. Probably wasn’t in @ she’s, what with the redcoats taking a licking.

    Actually it is!  It’s an American book.  Louis Untermeyer, the writer, poet, anthologist and autodidact (who was blacklisted after a fairly successful early career on television panel shows because of his suspected Communist sympathies), wrote several anthologies for young people.  He spent most of his life in New York. The Battle of Bunker Hill (Oliver Wendell Holmes) is in there as well.  And that’s where I learned the story of Molly Pitcher:

    ‘T was hurry and scurry at Monmouth town,
    For Lee was beating a wild retreat;
    The British were riding the Yankees down,
    And panic was pressing on flying feet.

    Galloping down like a hurricane
    Washington rode with his sword swung high,
    Mighty as he of the Trojan plain
    Fired by a courage from the sky.

    “Halt, and stand to your guns!” he cried.
    And a bombardier made swift reply.
    Wheeling his cannon into the tide,
    He fell ‘neath the shot of a foeman nigh.

    Molly Pitcher sprang to his side,
    Fired as she saw her husband do.
    Telling the king in his stubborn pride
    Women like men to their homes are true.

    Washington rode from the bloody fray
    Up to the gun that a woman manned.
    “Molly Pitcher, you saved the day,”
    He said, as he gave her a hero’s hand.

    He named her sergeant with manly praise,
    While her war-brown face was wet with tears—
    A woman has ever a woman’s ways,
    And the army was wild with cheers.–Kate Brownlee Sherwood

    I don’t think, as a nation that there’s one which reveres The Battle Hymn of the Republic more that the Brits, or at least the Britain of my childhood.  That’s in there too.  As well as The Battle of Blenheim, poems about the Napoleonic Wars, How They Brought the Good News from Ghent to Aix, Beth Gelert, and many more.

    But my sentimental nod goes to The Tale of Custard the Dragon:

    Belinda lived in a little white house,
    With a little black kitten and a little gray mouse,
    And a little yellow dog and a little red wagon,
    And a realio, trulio, little pet dragon.

    Now the name of the little black kitten was Ink,
    And the little gray mouse, she called her Blink,
    And the little yellow dog was sharp as Mustard,
    But the dragon was a coward, and she called him Custard.

    Still, when there came “a [n evil] pirate climbing in the winda”

    Belinda paled, and she cried, Help! Help!
    But Mustard fled with a terrified yelp,
    Ink trickled down to the bottom of the household,
    And little mouse Blink was strategically mouseholed.

    But up jumped Custard, snorting like an engine,
    Clashed his tail like irons in a dungeon,
    With a clatter and a clank and a jangling squirm
    He went at the pirate like a robin at a worm.

    The pirate gaped at Belinda’s dragon,
    And gulped some grog from his pocket flagon,
    He fired two bullets but they didn’t hit,
    And Custard gobbled him, every bit.

    Afterwards, things go back to normal

    Belinda still lives in her little white house,
    With her little black kitten and her little gray mouse,
    And her little yellow dog and her little red wagon,
    And her realio, trulio, little pet dragon.

    Belinda is as brave as a barrel full of bears,
    And Ink and Blink chase lions down the stairs,
    Mustard is as brave as a tiger in a rage,
    But Custard keeps crying for a nice safe cage–Ogden Nash

    And yet, we know who the real hero of this story is.  And that’s all that matters.

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  16. Captain French Moderator
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    Captain French (View Comment):

    Paul Revere’s Ride is another I remember from that book. Probably wasn’t in @ she’s, what with the redcoats taking a licking.

    Actually it is! It’s an American book. Louis Untermeyer, the writer, poet, anthologist and autodidact (who was blacklisted after a fairly successful early career on television panel shows because of his suspected Communist sympathies), wrote several anthologies for young people. He spent most of his life in New York. The Battle of Bunker Hill (Oliver Wendell Holmes) is in there as well. And that’s where I learned the story of Molly Pitcher:

    ‘T was hurry and scurry at Monmouth town,
    For Lee was beating a wild retreat;
    The British were riding the Yankees down,
    And panic was pressing on flying feet.

    Galloping down like a hurricane
    Washington rode with his sword swung high,
    Mighty as he of the Trojan plain
    Fired by a courage from the sky.

    “Halt, and stand to your guns!” he cried.
    And a bombardier made swift reply.
    Wheeling his cannon into the tide,
    He fell ‘neath the shot of a foeman nigh.

    Molly Pitcher sprang to his side,
    Fired as she saw her husband do.
    Telling the king in his stubborn pride
    Women like men to their homes are true.

    Washington rode from the bloody fray
    Up to the gun that a woman manned.
    “Molly Pitcher, you saved the day,”
    He said, as he gave her a hero’s hand.

    He named her sergeant with manly praise,
    While her war-brown face was wet with tears—
    A woman has ever a woman’s ways,
    And the army was wild with cheers.–Kate Brownlee Sherwood

    I don’t think, as a nation that there’s one which reveres The Battle Hymn of the Republic more that the Brits, or at least the Britain of my childhood. That’s in there too. As well as The Battle of Blenheim, poems about the Napoleonic Wars, How They Brought the Good News from Ghent to Aix, Beth Gelert, and many more.

    But my sentimental nod goes to The Tale of Custard the Dragon:

    Belinda lived in a little white house,
    With a little black kitten and a little gray mouse,
    And a little yellow dog and a little red wagon,
    And a realio, trulio, little pet dragon.

    Now the name of the little black kitten was Ink,
    And the little gray mouse, she called her Blink,
    And the little yellow dog was sharp as Mustard,
    But the dragon was a coward, and she called him Custard.

    Still, when there came “a [n evil] pirate climbing in the winda”

    Belinda paled, and she cried, Help! Help!
    But Mustard fled with a terrified yelp,
    Ink trickled down to the bottom of the household,
    And little mouse Blink was strategically mouseholed.

    But up jumped Custard, snorting like an engine,
    Clashed his tail like irons in a dungeon,
    With a clatter and a clank and a jangling squirm
    He went at the pirate like a robin at a worm.

    The pirate gaped at Belinda’s dragon,
    And gulped some grog from his pocket flagon,
    He fired two bullets but they didn’t hit,
    And Custard gobbled him, every bit.

    Afterwards, things go back to normal

    Belinda still lives in her little white house,
    With her little black kitten and her little gray mouse,
    And her little yellow dog and her little red wagon,
    And her realio, trulio, little pet dragon.

    Belinda is as brave as a barrel full of bears,
    And Ink and Blink chase lions down the stairs,
    Mustard is as brave as a tiger in a rage,
    But Custard keeps crying for a nice safe cage–Ogden Nash

    And yet, we know who the real hero of this story is. And that’s all that matters.

    That was in a different poetry book of mine when I was young. Love it.

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  17. Percival Thatcher
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    She (View Comment):
    I don’t think, as a nation that there’s one which reveres The Battle Hymn of the Republic more that the Brits, or at least the Britain of my childhood.  That’s in there too. 

    I was stuck at home after 9/11 and one of the things on the tube was the memorial service in London. 

    I saw the Queen sing “The Battle Hymn of the Republic.” It made me cry.

    God bless Bess.

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  18. She Member
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    Percival (View Comment):
    God bless Bess.

    Indeed.  Whatever one thinks of the British monarchy (and who doesn’t, especially here on Ricochet), I’ll miss her when she’s gone.  She’s a link to the England of my grandmothers’ and my great-grandmothers’ generations, and when she’s gone, the only one still standing will be Auntie Pat (99 next month, may she live forever).

    The old order changeth….

    Here, though, is the complete 2 1/2-minute skit from Elizabeth’s recent Jubilee party, starring HM and Paddington Bear.  Clips have been available before now, but I finally found the whole thing.  I long for the day when Joe Biden’s handlers suggest something similar (perhaps for his next inauguration) in which he sits across the table from a beloved-by-all fictional character (someone like JarJar Binks), who’s green-screened into the final cut.  The possibilities for unintentional humor (even just in the matter of keeping time with the upcoming musical number) are rife.  LOL.

    But this is just charming:

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  19. Caryn Thatcher
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    Ah, Alfred Noyes.  When you said the name, I knew the poem.  It’s been one of my favorites since I first read it, back in my teens.  I’m not much for bodice rippers, but that poem is one for the ages.  So evocative!  Wow.  

    And, yes, indeed, Queen Elizabeth II is a royal treasure.  The Paddington Bear clip is darling and she’s (as always) a sport with a twinkle.  May she continue in good health to 120.

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  20. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    “101 Famous Poems” might have been the book I’m thinking of. I just looked at the living room bookcases. It’s not there, but it might be in a bookcase in a bedroom upstairs.

    Another one I remember:

    Little Orphant Annie

    [SNIP]

    Er the Gobble-uns’ll git you
    Ef you
    Don’t
    Watch
    Out!

    — James Whitcomb Riley

    My wife and I were driving to Indianapolis to meet a young friend.  Google maps rerouted us off the main drag and took us past James Whitcomb Riley Elementary School.  I was surprised the name hadn’t (yet) been “updated.”

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  21. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):
    My wife and I were driving to Indianapolis to meet a young friend.  Google maps rerouted us off the main drag and took us past James Whitcomb Riley Elementary School.  I was surprised the named hadn’t (yet) been “updated.”

    The goblins will get them if they try.

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  22. She Member
    She
    @She

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    I don’t like or understand poetry (I’m too literal and uncreative) but holy moly do I love that painting!

    If you respond to a painting that way, I doubt you’re as ‘literal and uncreative’ as all that….

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  23. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    She (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    I don’t like or understand poetry (I’m too literal and uncreative) but holy moly do I love that painting!

    If you respond to a painting that way, I doubt you’re as ‘literal and uncreative’ as all that….

    Every generation gets less and weaker poetry than the one before. Not sure how long this has been going on, but poetry is the first thing squeezed out of literature classes and there are a lot of things that are being forced in. 

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  24. She Member
    She
    @She

    TBA (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    I don’t like or understand poetry (I’m too literal and uncreative) but holy moly do I love that painting!

    If you respond to a painting that way, I doubt you’re as ‘literal and uncreative’ as all that….

    Every generation gets less and weaker poetry than the one before. Not sure how long this has been going on, but poetry is the first thing squeezed out of literature classes and there are a lot of things that are being forced in.

    I attribute this to a steadily diminishing appreciation for imagination, simile, and metaphor, and a determined stamping out of genres that demand them.  That’s why a lot of people can’t leave children alone to wander through poems, fairy-tales, stories of chivalry, adventure, or good and evil, letting their minds go where they may and figuring things out for themselves. (I think it’s fair to say that my understanding of Snow White (the Disney version, which I first read as a storybook, before seeing the movie), was something along the lines of: “You’ll live a much happier life–and maybe get your heart’s desire–if you’re kind, helpful, and generous with people, than you will if you’re a vain, jealous bitch, in which case, you’ll probably turn into an ugly old hag and die a horrible, lonely death.”)

    Boy, did I miss the point.  I now see how wrong I was, and that, obviously, Snow White is an oppressive tale glorying the patriarchy, showing the helplessness of young women in the face of unwanted male sexual predation, and deeply offensive in its characterization of little people, to boot.

    Ohhhhh….

     Poetry suffers as much, if not more, because it’s the most imaginative of literary genres.  Children used to have poems read to them, or be able to read, recite, and understand on their own–at a pretty young age–poems that aren’t taught until college anymore.  If even then.  It’s terribly sad.

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  25. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    She (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    I don’t like or understand poetry (I’m too literal and uncreative) but holy moly do I love that painting!

    If you respond to a painting that way, I doubt you’re as ‘literal and uncreative’ as all that….

    Every generation gets less and weaker poetry than the one before. Not sure how long this has been going on, but poetry is the first thing squeezed out of literature classes and there are a lot of things that are being forced in.

    I attribute this to a steadily diminishing appreciation for imagination, simile, and metaphor, and a determined stamping out of genres that demand them. That’s why a lot of people can’t leave children alone to wander through poems, fairy-tales, stories of chivalry, adventure, or good and evil, letting their minds go where they may and figuring things out for themselves. (I think it’s fair to say that my understanding of Snow White (the Disney version, which I first read as a storybook, before seeing the movie), was something along the lines of: “You’ll live a much happier life–and maybe get your heart’s desire–if you’re kind, helpful, and generous with people, than you will if you’re a vain, jealous bitch, in which case, you’ll probably turn into an ugly old hag and die a horrible, lonely death.”)

    Boy, did I miss the point. I now see how wrong I was, and that, obviously, Snow White is an oppressive tale glorying the patriarchy, showing the helplessness of young women in the face of unwanted male sexual predation, and deeply offensive in its characterization of little people, to boot.

    Ohhhhh….

    Poetry suffers as much, if not more, because it’s the most imaginative of literary genres. Children used to have poems read to them, or be able to read, recite, and understand on their own–at a pretty young age–poems that aren’t taught until college anymore. If even then. It’s terribly sad.

    Another poetry-killer was ‘hey kids, why don’t you try writing poetry yourselves’ which would then be judged – or rather not judged since you wouldn’t want to discourage creativity or ruin self-esteem. 

    And how can you discuss a ‘great poem’ if all poems are equal? 

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  26. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    TBA (View Comment):
    And how can you discuss a ‘great poem’ if all poems are equal? 

    “Poetry is like beer. With beer, all beer is good, but some beers are better than others. With poetry, all poems are bad, but some poems are worse than others.” — Dave Steinke

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