GOP: Collapse on Guns and It’s All Over

 

Kurt Schlichter has a great post up at TownHall.

“Here is my proposed gun control compromise following the latest attack on children that millions of us did not commit. Ready? You gun fascists can kiss my Schumer and we keep our guns. In fact, let’s also repeal the National Firearms Act and impose national constitutional carry.”

This is what I’m talking about when I say that I do not care about the details of the Uvalde shooting, etc. I already know where I stand on an issue that transcends crime and violence from a pro-constitutional point of view.

It’s a good article with plenty of timely political commentary, and I agree with everything in it.  If this election is truly the Republicans’ to lose — going flaccid on guns is exactly how to lose it.

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  1. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    I completely agree. The Republicans who are talking about compromise are, as usual, trying to “play nice.” Well this is not a game and niceness has no part of this discussion. When will Republicans learn?? When will they realize what a compromise entails (as Schlichter points out–great article, BTW). I want to say to all gun law people, get off my lawn and go away. You aren’t welcome here.

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  2. Muleskinner, Weasel Wrangler Member
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    @Muleskinner

    I might be willing to reconsider my position, but not until I see one Hunter Biden arrested, convicted, and jailed for violations of the current gun laws. But that change would extend only so far as my position on whether we have a two-tier justice system, and not to the Second Amendment. 

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  3. Dbroussa Coolidge
    Dbroussa
    @Dbroussa

    I love this line:

    Chris Hayes, the bespectacled nimrod who holds the briefcase of the slightly more masculine Rachel Maddow at MSNBC

    Pretty much sums up both of them IMO

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  4. Dbroussa Coolidge
    Dbroussa
    @Dbroussa

    One can make an argument that raising the age to 21 MIGHT reduce the chance of another such attack.  Many of these attacks are done by people under the age of 21.  Perhaps a better thing to do is to ask why young men are doing this in the first place.  What are the commonalities about them?  How can we identify them sooner and get them some help so that they don’t feel that violence is the answer.

    But that would be too hard, and might bring up answers that people don’t want to admit to.

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  5. Django Member
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    @Django

    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    One can make an argument that raising the age to 21 MIGHT reduce the chance of another such attack. Many of these attacks are done by people under the age of 21. Perhaps a better thing to do is to ask why young men are doing this in the first place. What are the commonalities about them? How can we identify them sooner and get them some help so that they don’t feel that violence is the answer.

    But that would be too hard, and might bring up answers that people don’t want to admit to.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/06/the_real_reason_why_mass_shooters_kill.html

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  6. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    One can make an argument that raising the age to 21 MIGHT reduce the chance of another such attack. Many of these attacks are done by people under the age of 21. Perhaps a better thing to do is to ask why young men are doing this in the first place. What are the commonalities about them? How can we identify them sooner and get them some help so that they don’t feel that violence is the answer.

    But that would be too hard, and might bring up answers that people don’t want to admit to.

    My mother used to work in the bad part of town.   Every night they would shoot up her office.  Every morning the police would come for a report.  Mother asked the cop once why do not stop them.  Cops said these kids are 12 and under.  We arrest and the lawyers, judges, etc let them go.  

    What needs to happen is some law enforcement.  Not selective enforcement against selective groups.  

    I am interested in some red flag laws provided they are reasonable and can be designed so they will not be used by liberals to just take guns.

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  7. Jim McConnell Member
    Jim McConnell
    @JimMcConnell

    KDW has a very pointed article in NRO today on how the myriad gun laws we now have are almost completely unenforced by the authorities, state and national. New laws are just political fodder. https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/06/enforce-the-gun-laws-we-already-have/

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  8. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    One can make an argument that raising the age to 21 MIGHT reduce the chance of another such attack. Many of these attacks are done by people under the age of 21. Perhaps a better thing to do is to ask why young men are doing this in the first place. What are the commonalities about them? How can we identify them sooner and get them some help so that they don’t feel that violence is the answer.

    But that would be too hard, and might bring up answers that people don’t want to admit to.

    The Parkland shooter committed multiple offenses worthy of criminal charges, yet the school district worked tirelessly to protect him from any intervention by the police.  These are the very same people that now want more gun control. 

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  9. Nohaaj Coolidge
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    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    One can make an argument that raising the age to 21 MIGHT reduce the chance of another such attack. Many of these attacks are done by people under the age of 21. Perhaps a better thing to do is to ask why young men are doing this in the first place. What are the commonalities about them? How can we identify them sooner and get them some help so that they don’t feel that violence is the answer.

    But that would be too hard, and might bring up answers that people don’t want to admit to.

    no. No. NO! 

    Growing up, we had a pistol range in our basement. My high school had a skeet club. My children were taught respect, respect for property, rules, lives, and guns.  They were plinking cans with 22’s when they 6 years old.  

    Kids can hunt in their mid teens.  Your “compromise” of raising the age to buy guns to 21 is unfounded, and offers no solution. 

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  10. Douglas Pratt Coolidge
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    @DouglasPratt

    There is no such thing as “gun violence.” Guns cannot be violent.

    Do not accept the left’s manipulation of the English language.

    I will accept the term “gun deaths” in the same sense I accept “car deaths” or “COVID deaths.” And I will gladly talk about statistics relating to deaths in which a firearm was involved. But the term “gun violence” is absurd, and if we accept that absurdity we’ve already lost the argument.

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  11. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I completely agree. The Republicans who are talking about compromise are, as usual, trying to “play nice.” Well this is not a game and niceness has no part of this discussion. When will Republicans learn?? When will they realize what a compromise entails (as Schlichter points out–great article, BTW). I want to say to all gun law people, get off my lawn and go away. You aren’t welcome here.

    That is SO HOT.

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  12. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    If they can ban one they can ban them all.  Let them compromise our way for once.

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  13. BDB Coolidge
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    @BDB

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    KDW has a very pointed article in NRO today on how the myriad gun laws we now have are almost completely unenforced by the authorities, state and national. New laws are just political fodder. https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/06/enforce-the-gun-laws-we-already-have/

    Yet they will be vigorously enforced against the politically unpopular.  IMHO, here’s the real goal: to threaten everybody with the consequences of having to answer YES to the questions “have you ever been convicted of a gun offense” or similar.  Try traveling overseas.  Or getting a job above board.

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  14. Stad Coolidge
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    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    One can make an argument that raising the age to 21 MIGHT reduce the chance of another such attack. Many of these attacks are done by people under the age of 21. Perhaps a better thing to do is to ask why young men are doing this in the first place. What are the commonalities about them? How can we identify them sooner and get them some help so that they don’t feel that violence is the answer.

    But that would be too hard, and might bring up answers that people don’t want to admit to.

    All raising the age to 21 is going to do is delay shootings by 3 years, make the would-be perps obtain weapons illegally, or make the would-be perps change what weapon is used.

    School shootings will continue until the schools are “hardened,” and the debate we should be having is just what “hardened” means . . .

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  15. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    Let them compromise our way for once.

    Not just on guns, on . . . everything.

    But that never happens, does it?

    Which is why the GOP must be replaced with an actual opposition party.

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  16. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
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    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    Growing up, we had a pistol range in our basement. My high school had a skeet club. My children were taught respect, respect for property, rules, lives, and guns.  They were plinking cans with 22’s when they 6 years old.  

    Kids can hunt in their mid teens.  Your “compromise” of raising the age to buy guns to 21 is unfounded, and offers no solution. 

    when you were a kid, did you buy those firearms?   Did you build that range?   Or, were your parents involved?   I like making the age to purchase rifles 21.  Kids these days are nutty and immature.  Maybe it will be different in 20 years.  But now, we need those 3 years for teenagers to show that they can behave in society.   When I was in middle school, I took hunting safety and boating safety (those things are important in Michigan).  Let’s bring those things back.  Let’s reverse the War on Families.  Let’s change schools to end the War on Boys. 

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  17. BDB Coolidge
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    @BDB

    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    One can make an argument that raising the age to 21 MIGHT reduce the chance of another such attack. Many of these attacks are done by people under the age of 21. Perhaps a better thing to do is to ask why young men are doing this in the first place. What are the commonalities about them? How can we identify them sooner and get them some help so that they don’t feel that violence is the answer.

    But that would be too hard, and might bring up answers that people don’t want to admit to.

    Here’s the thing.  Raising the age to 100 would reduce even more attacks than mere 21.  If we let them debase our core arguments, the details do not matter.

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  18. BDB Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    Growing up, we had a pistol range in our basement. My high school had a skeet club. My children were taught respect, respect for property, rules, lives, and guns. They were plinking cans with 22’s when they 6 years old.

    Kids can hunt in their mid teens. Your “compromise” of raising the age to buy guns to 21 is unfounded, and offers no solution.

    when you were a kid, did you buy those firearms? Did you build that range? Or, were your parents involved? I like making the age to purchase rifles 21. Kids these days are nutty and immature. Maybe it will be different in 20 years. But now, we need those 3 years for teenagers to show that they can behave in society. When I was in middle school, I took hunting safety and boating safety (those things are important in Michigan). Let’s bring those things back. Let’s reverse the War on Families. Let’s change schools to end the War on Boys.

    Nonsense.  This is just helping the gun-grabbers with their excuse-making homework, in an ever-expanding circle of things for which we were adults yesterday but children today.  How can an 18-year old sign a lease or join the military if they cannot exercise a right GUARANTEED in stronger language than any other in the Constitution?  How can they speak freely or vote?

    Once you accept 21, then who conducts the next study showing you that the answer is actually 25?

    Your age-creep gun law fandom is not a compelling argument because (as Richard Epstein would say) there is no limiting principle.  We got gay marriage, now it’s trannies and pedos because we abandoned the last defensible (secular) ground —  the status quo. 

    Open boxes — get Pandoras.

    Defend what is instead of pre-emptively adopting the GOP “now is not the time to fight” stance.  Fight now, not later.  Later never comes.

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  19. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    BDB (View Comment):
    Defend what is instead of pre-emptively adopting the GOP “now is not the time to fight” stance.  Fight now, not later.  Later never comes.

    Later comes, only by then we’re neck deep in industrial waste.

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  20. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    And then the GOP begs to be allowed to maybe only be elbow deep in the sh*t.

    This is what I see happening with fuel prices. It’s closing in on $5.00/gallon here. Maybe there will be a reprieve and it’ll drop to $4.17 again (like it was just a week ago), and people will relax, because . . . relief!

    No, you idiot. Do not rest until it’s under $2.00/gal. again.

    So it’ll be with the gun grabbers. They’ll take them all away, and then finally relent and let us have Nerf Guns, and we’ll thank them for their magnanimity.

    Eff that.

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  21. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    And here’s the high priest of the Surrender Caucus saying that resisting gun control is a threat to our democracy. El oh el you pharisaical SOB.

    https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/against-gun-idolatry

    This guy is leading so many astray.

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  22. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    One can make an argument that raising the age to 21 MIGHT reduce the chance of another such attack. Many of these attacks are done by people under the age of 21. Perhaps a better thing to do is to ask why young men are doing this in the first place. What are the commonalities about them? How can we identify them sooner and get them some help so that they don’t feel that violence is the answer.

    But that would be too hard, and might bring up answers that people don’t want to admit to.

    All raising the age to 21 is going to do is delay shootings by 3 years, make the would-be perps obtain weapons illegally, or make the would-be perps change what weapon is used.

    School shootings will continue until the schools are “hardened,” and the debate we should be having is just what “hardened” means . . .

    I will agree with the raising of the age of majority to 21 or even 26.  

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  23. BDB Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    And here’s the high priest of the Surrender Caucus saying that resisting gun control is a threat to our democracy. El oh el you pharisaical SOB.

    https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/against-gun-idolatry

    This guy is leading so many astray.

    I knew who the Pharisees were (and why).  I didn’t know, but did guess who was behind the frenchpress blogsite webzone.  Pizza roll anybody?

    Sure enough:

    I remember the first essay I ever wrote for The Atlantic. Four years ago, they reached out to me and asked me to write about American gun culture from a conservative perspective.

    Of course The Atlantic reached out to David French shortly after Bill Kristol floated him as a balloon for a tiny minority of GOP support for an anti-Trump.  Guaranteed failure.  Remember back when Trump was the only Republican who could lose to hopeless Hillary, but then he won and nobody ever heard of David French before, during, or after that campaign?  Yeaaah, that was great.

    Now he wants the GOP to take your guns — apparently in his name. 

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  24. BDB Coolidge
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    @BDB

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    One can make an argument that raising the age to 21 MIGHT reduce the chance of another such attack. Many of these attacks are done by people under the age of 21. Perhaps a better thing to do is to ask why young men are doing this in the first place. What are the commonalities about them? How can we identify them sooner and get them some help so that they don’t feel that violence is the answer.

    But that would be too hard, and might bring up answers that people don’t want to admit to.

    All raising the age to 21 is going to do is delay shootings by 3 years, make the would-be perps obtain weapons illegally, or make the would-be perps change what weapon is used.

    School shootings will continue until the schools are “hardened,” and the debate we should be having is just what “hardened” means . . .

    I will agree with the raising of the age of majority to 21 or even 26.

    Or 40.

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  25. The Reticulator Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    I am interested in some red flag laws provided they are reasonable and can be designed so they will not be used by liberals to just take guns.

    That’s not the only problem with them. 

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  26. Jim McConnell Member
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    Nohaaj (View Comment):

    Dbroussa (View Comment):

    One can make an argument that raising the age to 21 MIGHT reduce the chance of another such attack. Many of these attacks are done by people under the age of 21. Perhaps a better thing to do is to ask why young men are doing this in the first place. What are the commonalities about them? How can we identify them sooner and get them some help so that they don’t feel that violence is the answer.

    But that would be too hard, and might bring up answers that people don’t want to admit to.

    no. No. NO!

    Growing up, we had a pistol range in our basement. My high school had a skeet club. My children were taught respect, respect for property, rules, lives, and guns. They were plinking cans with 22’s when they 6 years old.

    Kids can hunt in their mid teens. Your “compromise” of raising the age to buy guns to 21 is unfounded, and offers no solution.

    Yes, our junior high school had a .22 rifle range in the basement.

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  27. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    Let them compromise our way for once.

    Not just on guns, on . . . everything.

    But that never happens, does it?

    Which is why the GOP must be replaced with an actual opposition party.

    Because too many people on our side are wimps.

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  28. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    @BryanGStephens

    BDB (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    And here’s the high priest of the Surrender Caucus saying that resisting gun control is a threat to our democracy. El oh el you pharisaical SOB.

    https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/against-gun-idolatry

    This guy is leading so many astray.

    I knew who the Pharisees were (and why). I didn’t know, but did guess who was behind the frenchpress blogsite webzone. Pizza roll anybody?

    Sure enough:

    I remember the first essay I ever wrote for The Atlantic. Four years ago, they reached out to me and asked me to write about American gun culture from a conservative perspective.

    Of course The Atlantic reached out to David French shortly after Bill Kristol floated him as a balloon for a tiny minority of GOP support for an anti-Trump. Guaranteed failure. Remember back when Trump was the only Republican who could lose to hopeless Hillary, but then he won and nobody ever heard of David French before, during, or after that campaign? Yeaaah, that was great.

    Now he wants the GOP to take your guns — apparently in his name.

    https://ricochet.com/1268042/david-french-is-not-a-serious-conservative/

    My thoughts on this 

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  29. I Walton Member
    I Walton
    @IWalton

    When gun violence, all kinds from all groups comes down in states with the most restrictive gun laws and goes up in states with the least restrictive gun laws, we might consider some of their proposals.  I’d say we need to start eliminating gun restrictions on law abiding citizens using constitutional challenges in states drifting toward totalitarianism and arrest and jail folks who break real laws.   I don’t have a clue what to do about crazy kids or the internet that feeds all kinds of perversions and disorders.   It seems practices  that have been around for thousands of years probably have more substance than notions cooked up by fruity cliques of overeducated fools. 

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  30. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    Gun laws are for the law-abiding. Duh. No gun law will prevent the next mass shooting at any age. Murderers gonna murder and if they can’t buy guns legally, they’ll acquire them illegally. Or, they’ll use knives like the Islamists in London where authorities tried outlawing chef’s knives. Absurd.

    We tell young men they’re worthless, they have no future, and if they display any masculine traits, they’re “toxic.” And then we wonder why they despair and want to go out in a blaze of “glory.”

    Our culture is murderous. We murder babies in the womb and we murder the souls of our young people. It’s a good thing I’m not God, because I would have smote us a while ago.

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